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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
Flash's games were almost meaningless. Yeah, they didn't clinch the #1 seed until last match, but they were still statistically almost assured it. Does the ~4 game swing differential in their June results mean anything? Not much. When JD fans come out of the woodwork....god. Good PR all-around. | ||
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On July 02 2010 05:42 Yxes2211 wrote: Flash played "well" but he didn't look like a champion or number 1 player. In the final match against s2, he could've lost multiple times. Where as JD dominated his group without ever being at a disadvantage. How much more blind fanboy can you be? I'm surprised so much people are saying and have been saying this even before PR was posted. The only justification for this is a blatant hate on Flash that just gets in the eyes whenever you watch his games. He's got very advantageous position when S2 lurker break failed miserably (lost 6 lurkers and 1.5 groups of lings and killed only half group of vultures and couple gols), then S2 were getting his 3rd harrassed repeatedly (while posing no treat to Flash at all) and at 11 minutes Flash got his 3rd saturated before S2's forth O_o The only way for mech terran to be at risk in such situation is if he falls asleep in front of his monitor. Flash on the other hand were building his own 4th base and successfully harassing S2. At this point S2 was forced to attack before defilers cause otherwise he'd be on even base count with Flash. There wasn't a single point were Flash was at disadvantage or more so "could've lost" that game. | ||
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Phradamon
Romania191 Posts
 Flash fan but this month  Jaedong deserves First spot being briliant in his games and on the other hand Flash is so dissapointing in his vT. I curiously see you praise  Stats for being good at 3/3 but this month Flash purely sucked at vT.Also, Snow should had be at 10, winning on very good players. Bisu lost to some no-names.Hyuk ans s2 are jokes, Action should have been there. | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
"Every single one of Flash's losses has come to a player who excels at the vT matchup." Yeah, except 4 of the 6 players he lost to have vT winrates below 50%. | ||
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insanet
Peru439 Posts
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On July 02 2010 06:49 QuakerOats wrote: Flash lost more games than he won this month... this power rank is a complete joke. "Every single one of Flash's losses has come to a player who excels at the vT matchup." Yeah, except 4 of the 6 players he lost to have vT winrates below 50%. No he's 7-7 and winrate doesn't reflect current performance. All terrans he faced except Ruby are in top 15 TvT by ELO | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On July 02 2010 06:38 SimonB wrote: Flash looked off in June—that doesn't justify taking him down from #1 when he is so clearly ahead of Jaedong and JUST flattened him 3-0 along with dual finals. Flash's games were almost meaningless. Yeah, they didn't clinch the #1 seed until last match, but they were still statistically almost assured it. Does the ~4 game swing differential in their June results mean anything? Not much. When JD fans come out of the woodwork....god. Good PR all-around. "So clearly ahead of Jaedong"? Have we watched the same game in the month of June? Flash struggled through the month, only breaking 50% thanks to his MSL game on July 1st being counted in June's rankings (7-7 instead of 5-6). Sure, he played more games than Jaedong (14 rather than 9).. but one of them came from losing a game in the ro36 of MSL, and the other five are all losses of Ace Matches that would have mattered to any other team. Just because KT's other players played well enough during the season to ensure that KT is on top doesn't excuse Flash's inability to be the better player in 5 consecutive ace matches. With a player of Jaedong's caliber putting out an 8-1 performance in June.. does 5-6 really justify the top spot? Does 7-7? TvT is a matchup where the better player wins, early cheese excluded. It's not like ZvZ, where even DONGJWA would lose games. This month, Flash has lost the majority of his TvT games. That means... *drumroll*.. that he hasn't been the better player! edit: On July 02 2010 07:01 snowdrift86 wrote: Haha, "top 15 TvT" includes pretty much every average Terran. Hell, Canata's in there. Dear god.. Canata is like the opposite of "Good TvT". That's.. ugh. | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On July 02 2010 06:54 InRaged wrote: No he's 7-7 and winrate doesn't reflect current performance. All terrans he faced except Ruby are in top 15 TvT by ELO "top 15 TvT by elo" includes pretty much every average Terran. Hell, Canata's in there. This is not a good line of argument. | ||
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Graham
Canada1259 Posts
I don't think Snow should have been on the list at all. His vZ and vP are pretty horrible, which is made up for the fact that he has godlike vT. However, he failed to beat Really who has been slumping hardcore as of late, thus questioning the abilities of Snow's single-strength matchup. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
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Tempest[OEC]
United States417 Posts
On July 02 2010 06:19 Silentness wrote: lol wtf is Fantasy doing at #3 on the Power Ranking? I agree that Flash and Jaedong should be #1 and #2 respectively but Effort should be #3 after his performance during MSL Group A. Fantasy should be on Top 10, but DEFINITELY NOT #3. Fantasy has been performing solidly over the entire month. Effort has slumped in proleague after his win in the OSL. We shouldnt say hes stronger just because of a single good performance in the MSL. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1715 Posts
and of course number 1 should still be number 1, no one else comes close despite his losses in ace matches. | ||
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On July 02 2010 07:01 snowdrift86 wrote: Haha, "top 15 TvT" includes pretty much every average Terran. Hell, Canata's in there. This is not a good line of argument. Canata's TvT is the only reason he appears in proleague at all ;P And that's a fine line of argument against someone who implies that Flash's opponents were below average On July 02 2010 07:00 Niton wrote: Dear god.. Canata is like the opposite of "Good TvT". That's.. ugh. And yet he's winrate in TvT is 54%. How are you gonna argue winrates, when you love them so much? | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
If this is how the PR is done, I can already give you the number 1 and 2 spots for July's PR. 1. Flash - Flash may or may not have an atrocious record this month...he might even end up losing every single game, but it's going to take more than a couple of bad months to take away from Flash's overall dominance over the past year. This is the Power Rank after all, not the Monthly Statistics Rank and as such, Flash is still here to stay at the top spot. 2. Jaedong - Jaedong has been looking really strong lately and could end up having another really solid month, but looking at the results alone can be a bit misleading. Jaedong's opposition this month includes the likes of Tyson and Ssak, so even if Jaedong wins those games, you can't really credit that to his skill level since technically, they're like free wins. Until Jaedong can maintain a dominant form over a prolonged period against better players, he is still #2. Am I doing this right? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 02 2010 07:02 De4ngus wrote: Can we get JWD back? The wonderful days of TheZerg over Calm, how I remember thee. | ||
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shinjin
United States398 Posts
On July 02 2010 01:09 Hugo(Sphere) wrote: I wish we had access to those gangster odds-makers. Then we'd see what we're talking about here more clearly. If you guys follow power ranks for other sports, you'd understand pretty quickly what a power rank is, and how this one is pretty accurate. Flash #3 is a joke. He's still the scariest guy in the game. He dismantled Jaedong. He'd be the odds on favorite to beat anyone. A couple unfortunate losses doesn't change that - that's why you watch the games, not the numbers. If it was based on win-loss, what is the point of having a power rank, just look at the win-loss then. This is supposed to be a qualitative ranking of how deadly the players are this month. That means, win/loss, how they played their games, how great their mechanics are looking, how great their decision-making, how great their build orders, how other gamers are preparing for them. All of this is added up to predict how "powerful they are" hence "power rank." So, Flash being the 3rd most powerful guy in the game right now? Joke. Please buy a clue before posting. Flash being the 2nd most powerful guy in the game right now? Maybe, and that's a big big big maybe. If I had to put my life savings on Flash winning a game or a series against one randomly chosen player picked out of a hat, or I had to put my life savings on Jaedong winning a game or series against one randomly chosen player picked out of a hat, I'd still probably throw that money on Flash, even with Jaedong's nice wins and Flash's losses. I don't discount the blip on Flash's record lately, but I'd be hard pressed to put him at 2 now without some more evidence next month, and to put him at 3 is just pure ignorance. i wholeheartedly agree with this user good powerrank ^^ | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On July 02 2010 07:19 InRaged wrote: Canata's TvT is the only reason he appears in proleague at all ;P And that's a fine line of argument against someone who implies that Flash's opponents were below average And yet he's winrate in TvT is 54%. How are you gonna argue winrates, when you love them so much? Canata is damn near antithetic of what makes a terran player exciting to watch. No winrate could possibly make him a "good" player in the eyes of many of those who watch the game for enjoyment. BeSt vs Canata and Canata vs Shine[Kal] are two very good examples of this. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have my very dear BackHo. I love watching him play, and I fanboy out over him.. but he will never be a top-tier player. He does stupid shit way too much, and it really shows in his win%. Despite that, he's consistantly a player I enjoy watching. | ||
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On July 02 2010 07:36 Niton wrote: Canata is damn near antithetic of what makes a terran player exciting to watch. No winrate could possibly make him a "good" player in the eyes of many of those who watch the game for enjoyment. BeSt vs Canata and Canata vs Shine[Kal] are two very good examples of this. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have my very dear BackHo. I love watching him play, and I fanboy out over him.. but he will never be a top-tier player. He does stupid shit way too much, and it really shows in his win%. Despite that, he's consistantly a player I enjoy watching. Ugh... hello? I'm glad that you find certain players fun to watch and others boring, but how's that related to the quality of Canata's TvT and his level of play in this match-up? ;P And games vs Best or Shine are bad examples because Canata can't play at all outside of TvT in SPL~ Don't get me wrong by the way - all I'm saying is that winrate means jack shit and you yourself pretty much understand this since you're a BackHo's fan as you said. My whole point is that you can't just look at some statistics be it winrate or elo like QuakerOats did and basically declare that, hey, they're real bad players | ||
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