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NightmareX
Profile Joined March 2010
New Zealand31 Posts
May 05 2010 07:08 GMT
#121
Go Flash and Jaedong!!!
Failing at making custom map triggers
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 05 2010 07:19 GMT
#122
If Flash loses again vs Jaedong in finals, he should be dropped to #2, while Jaedong advance to #1. The other games wouldn't matter, it would be just too much to lose two bo5 in such a short period to keep him in #1.
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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 07:44:27
May 05 2010 07:33 GMT
#123
On May 05 2010 14:42 nodule wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 18:37 adelarge wrote:
On May 04 2010 12:58 nodule wrote:
On May 04 2010 08:51 adelarge wrote:

I'm just going to quote this, because I also feel Flash is not being praised enough in the PR description. Not that it is some horrible mistake, Flash is praised (rightfully!) almost everywhere these days...

Good PR overall, I would only put Sea lower and I'm not sure what to do with great, but that's it.


Wow, can we stick to arguing ranks and not whether "insufficient praise" is given to the #1 player?

Sometimes you guys make me embarrassed to be a flash fan


I wonder what makes you feel entitled to tell other people what they should or should not discuss. Nobody forces you to participate in debate about writings or prohibits you from discussing ranking. You are not alone here.


No need to be so prickly; I'm just trying to preserve the integrity of the stereotypical "flash fan".

The reality is that Flash's TvT does not have the same aura of invincibility as it did 5 months ago. He is playing sloppy and games are closer than they should be. He's still winning a ton, but often very very narrowly. His TvZ is still rock solid and TvP is much improved since then, but he has been playing mostly TvT lately.


Maybe this fits right in with Flash being overly critizised in the past. Flash is one of the few who gets tons of bad feedback for just losing a game.

You can say that his TvT has been looking abit human this month, probably based on the fact that everyone is studdying him right now and he's playing ALOT of games in PL MSL and OSL.
You can look at his games and find a flaw and mention it, something like plexa did with his mines in TvP even though he's playing with 90% winratio over the last months.
You could watch his TvZ and find a flaw aswell, everyone has atleast some flaws if you compare it to the "perfect play".

The issue is that you shouldn't focus the summary on his very few flaws.
To take it to the extreme lets discuss a player who played perfect starcraft fo one month except he targeted one of his own units in one battle that month and when I write about him in the PR I put all my focus on that one flaw. It's just not an accurate picture of his performance that month.

As I mentioned: A more accurate way of opening the description would be;
"It's going to take more than: + Show Spoiler +

  • Flash had a 12 game winstreak this month.
  • A dominating 80%+ troughout the month.
  • New highest ever ELO record.
  • Kespa ranks showed highest rank ever.
  • Now have 70%+ in all matchups all-time.
  • On his way to back to back dual finals.

...to knock flash down from his throne.

Flash had some unbelievable records this month that took him closer to bonjwa status. Other progamers all say he's undoubtly the best when mentioned in interviews and he's on his way to back to back dual finals!!

Sure, you can mention some of his flaws but the things I brought up wasn't even mentioned.
Thats what I and some others think is wierd. The picture made of flash this PR is inaccurate.

I'm not blind to his flaws and won't argue against every point made against him. I would have reacted the same if it was Jaedong etc.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 05 2010 08:01 GMT
#124
On May 05 2010 16:19 arbiter_md wrote:
If Flash loses again vs Jaedong in finals, he should be dropped to #2, while Jaedong advance to #1. The other games wouldn't matter, it would be just too much to lose two bo5 in such a short period to keep him in #1.

I assume you mean that Flash loses both the MSL and OSL. Then yes I agree he should be #2. Otherwise...
+ Show Spoiler +
Gold Gold Silver Silver > Gold Gold
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 08:54:48
May 05 2010 08:53 GMT
#125
On May 05 2010 17:01 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2010 16:19 arbiter_md wrote:
If Flash loses again vs Jaedong in finals, he should be dropped to #2, while Jaedong advance to #1. The other games wouldn't matter, it would be just too much to lose two bo5 in such a short period to keep him in #1.

I assume you mean that Flash loses both the MSL and OSL. Then yes I agree he should be #2. Otherwise...
+ Show Spoiler +
Gold Gold Silver Silver > Gold Gold


That's not a fair way to make in the PR of the month... I mean by that logic Nada should always be #1. I think it rather would depend on how he lost to JD - if he were to lose.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 09:12:56
May 05 2010 09:12 GMT
#126
On May 05 2010 17:53 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2010 17:01 J1.au wrote:
On May 05 2010 16:19 arbiter_md wrote:
If Flash loses again vs Jaedong in finals, he should be dropped to #2, while Jaedong advance to #1. The other games wouldn't matter, it would be just too much to lose two bo5 in such a short period to keep him in #1.

I assume you mean that Flash loses both the MSL and OSL. Then yes I agree he should be #2. Otherwise...
+ Show Spoiler +
Gold Gold Silver Silver > Gold Gold


That's not a fair way to make in the PR of the month... I mean by that logic Nada should always be #1. I think it rather would depend on how he lost to JD - if he were to lose.

Ok fine.
+ Show Spoiler +
Gold Silver > Gold
Happy now?

Anyway this is a silly discussion. Nothing has happened yet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 09:23:06
May 05 2010 09:17 GMT
#127
KT was impressive tonight, going 2-3 without Flash. But their record of 3-4 looks bad and they have yet to play CJ. Master snipe team. :p
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 09:23:49
May 05 2010 09:23 GMT
#128
Stats ForGG and Violet are very solid but it'd be insane to think that Flash isn't what makes them the #1 team.

It is why he is the #1 player, to segway this into relevance.
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 05 2010 09:28 GMT
#129
On May 05 2010 18:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Stats ForGG and Violet are very solid but it'd be insane to think that Flash isn't what makes them the #1 team.

It is why he is the #1 player, to segway this into relevance.


I definitely agree with Stats, can understand Violet, but forgg? He's really not solid, you never know when he's going to win or lose.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 05 2010 09:40 GMT
#130
His TvZ and TvT are solid, atleast. He's put up really good games in both matchups recently and it's why he got to the OSL RO8 before being predictably beaten by Kal. He's a good supporting player for PL.
Remember Violet.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 10:27:36
May 05 2010 10:26 GMT
#131
On May 05 2010 18:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
His TvZ and TvT are solid, atleast. He's put up really good games in both matchups recently and it's why he got to the OSL RO8 before being predictably beaten by Kal. He's a good supporting player for PL.


Well, going 2-6 in the matchup since march I'd say it's a stretch to call his TvT "solid" :/
atleast it hasn't been since like february 09.

He's more like a onematch wonder whom on rare occasions pull his potential together for a while...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 05 2010 10:41 GMT
#132
On May 05 2010 16:33 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2010 14:42 nodule wrote:
On May 04 2010 18:37 adelarge wrote:
On May 04 2010 12:58 nodule wrote:
On May 04 2010 08:51 adelarge wrote:

I'm just going to quote this, because I also feel Flash is not being praised enough in the PR description. Not that it is some horrible mistake, Flash is praised (rightfully!) almost everywhere these days...

Good PR overall, I would only put Sea lower and I'm not sure what to do with great, but that's it.


Wow, can we stick to arguing ranks and not whether "insufficient praise" is given to the #1 player?

Sometimes you guys make me embarrassed to be a flash fan


I wonder what makes you feel entitled to tell other people what they should or should not discuss. Nobody forces you to participate in debate about writings or prohibits you from discussing ranking. You are not alone here.


No need to be so prickly; I'm just trying to preserve the integrity of the stereotypical "flash fan".

The reality is that Flash's TvT does not have the same aura of invincibility as it did 5 months ago. He is playing sloppy and games are closer than they should be. He's still winning a ton, but often very very narrowly. His TvZ is still rock solid and TvP is much improved since then, but he has been playing mostly TvT lately.


Maybe this fits right in with Flash being overly critizised in the past. Flash is one of the few who gets tons of bad feedback for just losing a game.

You can say that his TvT has been looking abit human this month, probably based on the fact that everyone is studdying him right now and he's playing ALOT of games in PL MSL and OSL.
You can look at his games and find a flaw and mention it, something like plexa did with his mines in TvP even though he's playing with 90% winratio over the last months.
You could watch his TvZ and find a flaw aswell, everyone has atleast some flaws if you compare it to the "perfect play".

The issue is that you shouldn't focus the summary on his very few flaws.
To take it to the extreme lets discuss a player who played perfect starcraft fo one month except he targeted one of his own units in one battle that month and when I write about him in the PR I put all my focus on that one flaw. It's just not an accurate picture of his performance that month.

As I mentioned: A more accurate way of opening the description would be;
"It's going to take more than: + Show Spoiler +

  • Flash had a 12 game winstreak this month.
  • A dominating 80%+ troughout the month.
  • New highest ever ELO record.
  • Kespa ranks showed highest rank ever.
  • Now have 70%+ in all matchups all-time.
  • On his way to back to back dual finals.

...to knock flash down from his throne.

Flash had some unbelievable records this month that took him closer to bonjwa status. Other progamers all say he's undoubtly the best when mentioned in interviews and he's on his way to back to back dual finals!!

Sure, you can mention some of his flaws but the things I brought up wasn't even mentioned.
Thats what I and some others think is wierd. The picture made of flash this PR is inaccurate.

I'm not blind to his flaws and won't argue against every point made against him. I would have reacted the same if it was Jaedong etc.
I'm only bringing up the point that Flash has looked human now because it is more relevant now than it was a few months ago. With that said, his TvT's have followed the same basic pattern for a long time now: fall behind, come back in jaw dropping fashion. I mean, check this out

That is from February but looks like his recent games.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
fallingdream
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania452 Posts
May 05 2010 11:04 GMT
#133
Omg FBH looked sooo crushed, it's really really sad to se a programmer that way, especially FBH who is always happy and smiling and doing crazy stuff (.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 05 2010 12:29 GMT
#134
On May 05 2010 19:41 Plexa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 05 2010 16:33 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2010 14:42 nodule wrote:
On May 04 2010 18:37 adelarge wrote:
On May 04 2010 12:58 nodule wrote:
On May 04 2010 08:51 adelarge wrote:

I'm just going to quote this, because I also feel Flash is not being praised enough in the PR description. Not that it is some horrible mistake, Flash is praised (rightfully!) almost everywhere these days...

Good PR overall, I would only put Sea lower and I'm not sure what to do with great, but that's it.


Wow, can we stick to arguing ranks and not whether "insufficient praise" is given to the #1 player?

Sometimes you guys make me embarrassed to be a flash fan


I wonder what makes you feel entitled to tell other people what they should or should not discuss. Nobody forces you to participate in debate about writings or prohibits you from discussing ranking. You are not alone here.


No need to be so prickly; I'm just trying to preserve the integrity of the stereotypical "flash fan".

The reality is that Flash's TvT does not have the same aura of invincibility as it did 5 months ago. He is playing sloppy and games are closer than they should be. He's still winning a ton, but often very very narrowly. His TvZ is still rock solid and TvP is much improved since then, but he has been playing mostly TvT lately.


Maybe this fits right in with Flash being overly critizised in the past. Flash is one of the few who gets tons of bad feedback for just losing a game.

You can say that his TvT has been looking abit human this month, probably based on the fact that everyone is studdying him right now and he's playing ALOT of games in PL MSL and OSL.
You can look at his games and find a flaw and mention it, something like plexa did with his mines in TvP even though he's playing with 90% winratio over the last months.
You could watch his TvZ and find a flaw aswell, everyone has atleast some flaws if you compare it to the "perfect play".

The issue is that you shouldn't focus the summary on his very few flaws.
To take it to the extreme lets discuss a player who played perfect starcraft fo one month except he targeted one of his own units in one battle that month and when I write about him in the PR I put all my focus on that one flaw. It's just not an accurate picture of his performance that month.

As I mentioned: A more accurate way of opening the description would be;
"It's going to take more than: + Show Spoiler +

  • Flash had a 12 game winstreak this month.
  • A dominating 80%+ troughout the month.
  • New highest ever ELO record.
  • Kespa ranks showed highest rank ever.
  • Now have 70%+ in all matchups all-time.
  • On his way to back to back dual finals.

...to knock flash down from his throne.

Flash had some unbelievable records this month that took him closer to bonjwa status. Other progamers all say he's undoubtly the best when mentioned in interviews and he's on his way to back to back dual finals!!

Sure, you can mention some of his flaws but the things I brought up wasn't even mentioned.
Thats what I and some others think is wierd. The picture made of flash this PR is inaccurate.

I'm not blind to his flaws and won't argue against every point made against him. I would have reacted the same if it was Jaedong etc.
I'm only bringing up the point that Flash has looked human now because it is more relevant now than it was a few months ago. With that said, his TvT's have followed the same basic pattern for a long time now: fall behind, come back in jaw dropping fashion. I mean, check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCqXyK6kz_U&feature=player_embedded
That is from February but looks like his recent games.


Yes I know, I'm not saying that what you say is untrue.
Even if the things you chose to write was true, the things you didn't chose to write that I said is also true and in it's abscense the whole picture seems inaccurate.

In the end it doesn't matter all that much...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 05 2010 16:12 GMT
#135
After 3 months of constant praise, I think the picture that Flash is an indestructible demigod is firmly implanted in most peoples minds
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 05 2010 17:10 GMT
#136
On May 06 2010 01:12 Plexa wrote:
After 3 months of constant praise, I think the picture that Flash is an indestructible demigod is firmly implanted in most peoples minds


well we'll know if its true friday night :p
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
bentnormal
Profile Joined December 2009
112 Posts
May 05 2010 18:04 GMT
#137
I think that even if he doesn't crash and burn SuperArc will not give him a break Ahwell...
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
May 05 2010 18:11 GMT
#138
Although I think it's less likely, it's possible that Terrans will catch up to Flash's level of TvT strategy like Zergs did to Jaedong with ZvZ mechanics.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
May 05 2010 20:24 GMT
#139
watch. CJ will take over the whole PR one day
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
May 05 2010 21:03 GMT
#140
On May 06 2010 02:10 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2010 01:12 Plexa wrote:
After 3 months of constant praise, I think the picture that Flash is an indestructible demigod is firmly implanted in most peoples minds


well we'll know if its true friday night :p



The article for the OSL Ro8 said that Flash's schedule plays little factor in the possibility of Pure beating Flash.
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