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Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
May 05 2010 21:31 GMT
#141
On May 05 2010 18:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Stats ForGG and Violet are very solid but it'd be insane to think that Flash isn't what makes them the #1 team.

It is why he is the #1 player, to segway this into relevance.


It's like saying why are the Lebron Cavaliers I mean Cleveland Cavaliers so good.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 05 2010 22:27 GMT
#142
On May 06 2010 03:11 reincremate wrote:
Although I think it's less likely, it's possible that Terrans will catch up to Flash's level of TvT strategy like Zergs did to Jaedong with ZvZ mechanics.

Flash's game sense and in-game decision making isn't really copyable though. His greatest strength lies hidden deep within his splendiferous mind.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 06 2010 00:17 GMT
#143
to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
May 06 2010 00:37 GMT
#144
Hahahha I love the reasoning for Hiya's placement. Too bad sea got knocked out again
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
May 06 2010 00:59 GMT
#145
midas gogo!
i hope flash gets to both finals again
#1 Fantasy Fan!!!!
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 06 2010 01:08 GMT
#146
Is MVP being in the power rank the first time that a player who doesn't have a single matchup above 50% winrate has made the top 10?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 06 2010 01:52 GMT
#147
On May 06 2010 09:17 o[twist] wrote:
to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask

Things such as micro or multitasking can be replicated by someone else through practise to a completely different degree.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-06 02:28:01
May 06 2010 02:27 GMT
#148
On May 06 2010 10:08 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Is MVP being in the power rank the first time that a player who doesn't have a single matchup above 50% winrate has made the top 10?

I think (Z)Shine had that in December/January?

EDIT: Nevermind, I think he was >50% vP...
... Knowmsayin'?
NurseArial
Profile Joined March 2010
Belarus109 Posts
May 06 2010 02:38 GMT
#149
On May 06 2010 10:52 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2010 09:17 o[twist] wrote:
to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask

Things such as micro or multitasking can be replicated by someone else through practise to a completely different degree.

Practice can get you there. Practice won't give you Flash's natural understanding of the game.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
May 06 2010 09:24 GMT
#150
On May 06 2010 07:27 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2010 03:11 reincremate wrote:
Although I think it's less likely, it's possible that Terrans will catch up to Flash's level of TvT strategy like Zergs did to Jaedong with ZvZ mechanics.

Flash's game sense and in-game decision making isn't really copyable though. His greatest strength lies hidden deep within his splendiferous mind.



On May 06 2010 10:52 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2010 09:17 o[twist] wrote:
to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask

Things such as micro or multitasking can be replicated by someone else through practise to a completely different degree.


I don’t think you can say that Flash has got better game sense than JD or Bisu had when they owned everyone. This is like when people say Flash is only a macro bot: don't conceptualize the game of the best players in the world! In the last MSL, JD opted to outsmart Flash in every game because he knew that micro and macro alone (on those maps) wouldn't cut it. These players just can't get copied. If anything Flash’s reigns of dominance in the past have been a lot shorter than those of Bisu and JD, which would suggest that his style is easier to copy or figure out (14 CC lol?). I remember when Bisu’s style simply was to scout the opponent early and then do whatever he needed to beat his game plan.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Lazerbeems
Profile Joined May 2010
151 Posts
May 06 2010 10:50 GMT
#151
The Bacchus Flash is completely different from the current Flash.

Anyway, its hard to prepare for the OSL AND MSL finals, especially when you don't know if you're playing Kal (protoss) or Jaedong (zerg) until like a week before the finals.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
May 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#152
What was that about MVP making the Power Rank again?
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 06 2010 10:56 GMT
#153
lol I seriously overestimated MVP

I at least expected him to steal a lot of Flash's energy. Poor Pure, getting no support.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-06 11:01:05
May 06 2010 10:59 GMT
#154
Bye MVP, I hope you enjoyed your stay on the Power Rank.

He can go back to doing what he does best; winning 41.18% of the time.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 06 2010 11:20 GMT
#155
Pure is 6-1 last 7 games vs terran though and should get some credit for it, but this is flash and to me it looks like he's in god-mode after skipping out on PL vs Khan.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
NurseArial
Profile Joined March 2010
Belarus109 Posts
May 06 2010 12:55 GMT
#156
On May 06 2010 18:24 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2010 07:27 Holgerius wrote:
On May 06 2010 03:11 reincremate wrote:
Although I think it's less likely, it's possible that Terrans will catch up to Flash's level of TvT strategy like Zergs did to Jaedong with ZvZ mechanics.

Flash's game sense and in-game decision making isn't really copyable though. His greatest strength lies hidden deep within his splendiferous mind.



Show nested quote +
On May 06 2010 10:52 Holgerius wrote:
On May 06 2010 09:17 o[twist] wrote:
to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask

Things such as micro or multitasking can be replicated by someone else through practise to a completely different degree.


I don’t think you can say that Flash has got better game sense than JD or Bisu had when they owned everyone. This is like when people say Flash is only a macro bot: don't conceptualize the game of the best players in the world! In the last MSL, JD opted to outsmart Flash in every game because he knew that micro and macro alone (on those maps) wouldn't cut it. These players just can't get copied. If anything Flash’s reigns of dominance in the past have been a lot shorter than those of Bisu and JD, which would suggest that his style is easier to copy or figure out (14 CC lol?). I remember when Bisu’s style simply was to scout the opponent early and then do whatever he needed to beat his game plan.


I think the big difference between the way Flash strategically dominates opponents and the way a typical progamer does, is that Flash is a very improvised player. He relies on his immediate game sense in the moment and very few players display the speed of reaction and the ability to adapt to changes in the game that he does.

Two examples: Flash vs Mind on Othello and Flash vs Movie on HBR.

There is no way to say for sure, but I would submit that his game sense is better than Jaedong or Bisu's. Jaedong sure did outprepare Flash in the MSL finals, but he didn't display any impressive in the moment decision making that led to his victory.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 06 2010 13:12 GMT
#157
Ya, I'm not really talking about mind games or prepared BO's. In fact, I think Game 2 in the MSL finals show pretty well what I mean; JD came in with a super smart build that completely countered what Flash was originally doing. Then Flash adapts with some brilliant improvisation and wins the game anyway. Flash's game sense and adaptability is better than anyone elses. In order to be a top, top player you of course need to be decent at everything; Flash has awesome micro, macro and multitasking as well, and JD is of course not an idiot, but players have different things they excell at and sets them apart. JD's main strenght is his mechanics and micro (as well as a very strong pshyche). But if you look at how JD lost most of his recent ZvT's, like vs Darkelf, it's because he failed to react to what the T was doing. If JD was as smart as Flash is when it comes to improvisation he would've been the best player of all time no doubt and the closest thing to perfection we've seen, but he isn't.


Lol, Flash gains 7 ELO points for 3-0'ing MVP.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
May 06 2010 13:25 GMT
#158
i think if u switch great with calm on the pr no one will say a thing
go for it
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 06 2010 13:53 GMT
#159
On May 06 2010 22:25 pvzvt wrote:
i think if u switch great with calm on the pr no one will say a thing
go for it


switch great for "imperfect micro on silly map"
Writer
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 06 2010 14:17 GMT
#160
On May 06 2010 22:53 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2010 22:25 pvzvt wrote:
i think if u switch great with calm on the pr no one will say a thing
go for it


switch great for "imperfect micro on silly map"


Is it really that hard to position a unit in a certain location?
The location doesn't change.

Its like blaming Andromeda for bisus loss.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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