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On May 05 2010 18:23 TwoToneTerran wrote: Stats ForGG and Violet are very solid but it'd be insane to think that Flash isn't what makes them the #1 team.
It is why he is the #1 player, to segway this into relevance.
It's like saying why are the Lebron Cavaliers I mean Cleveland Cavaliers so good.
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On May 06 2010 03:11 reincremate wrote: Although I think it's less likely, it's possible that Terrans will catch up to Flash's level of TvT strategy like Zergs did to Jaedong with ZvZ mechanics. Flash's game sense and in-game decision making isn't really copyable though. His greatest strength lies hidden deep within his splendiferous mind.
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to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask
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Hahahha I love the reasoning for Hiya's placement. Too bad sea got knocked out again
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midas gogo! i hope flash gets to both finals again
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Is MVP being in the power rank the first time that a player who doesn't have a single matchup above 50% winrate has made the top 10?
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On May 06 2010 09:17 o[twist] wrote: to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask Things such as micro or multitasking can be replicated by someone else through practise to a completely different degree.
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On May 06 2010 10:08 Trezeguet23 wrote: Is MVP being in the power rank the first time that a player who doesn't have a single matchup above 50% winrate has made the top 10? I think Shine had that in December/January?
EDIT: Nevermind, I think he was >50% vP...
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On May 06 2010 10:52 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 09:17 o[twist] wrote: to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask Things such as micro or multitasking can be replicated by someone else through practise to a completely different degree. Practice can get you there. Practice won't give you Flash's natural understanding of the game.
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On May 06 2010 07:27 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 03:11 reincremate wrote: Although I think it's less likely, it's possible that Terrans will catch up to Flash's level of TvT strategy like Zergs did to Jaedong with ZvZ mechanics. Flash's game sense and in-game decision making isn't really copyable though. His greatest strength lies hidden deep within his splendiferous mind.
On May 06 2010 10:52 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 09:17 o[twist] wrote: to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask Things such as micro or multitasking can be replicated by someone else through practise to a completely different degree.
I don’t think you can say that Flash has got better game sense than JD or Bisu had when they owned everyone. This is like when people say Flash is only a macro bot: don't conceptualize the game of the best players in the world! In the last MSL, JD opted to outsmart Flash in every game because he knew that micro and macro alone (on those maps) wouldn't cut it. These players just can't get copied. If anything Flash’s reigns of dominance in the past have been a lot shorter than those of Bisu and JD, which would suggest that his style is easier to copy or figure out (14 CC lol?). I remember when Bisu’s style simply was to scout the opponent early and then do whatever he needed to beat his game plan.
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The Bacchus Flash is completely different from the current Flash.
Anyway, its hard to prepare for the OSL AND MSL finals, especially when you don't know if you're playing Kal (protoss) or Jaedong (zerg) until like a week before the finals.
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What was that about MVP making the Power Rank again?
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lol I seriously overestimated MVP
I at least expected him to steal a lot of Flash's energy. Poor Pure, getting no support.
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Bye MVP, I hope you enjoyed your stay on the Power Rank.
He can go back to doing what he does best; winning 41.18% of the time.
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Pure is 6-1 last 7 games vs terran though and should get some credit for it, but this is flash and to me it looks like he's in god-mode after skipping out on PL vs Khan.
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On May 06 2010 18:24 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 07:27 Holgerius wrote:On May 06 2010 03:11 reincremate wrote: Although I think it's less likely, it's possible that Terrans will catch up to Flash's level of TvT strategy like Zergs did to Jaedong with ZvZ mechanics. Flash's game sense and in-game decision making isn't really copyable though. His greatest strength lies hidden deep within his splendiferous mind. Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 10:52 Holgerius wrote:On May 06 2010 09:17 o[twist] wrote: to be fair, the same is true with jaedong's crazy micro or bisu's crazy multitask Things such as micro or multitasking can be replicated by someone else through practise to a completely different degree. I don’t think you can say that Flash has got better game sense than JD or Bisu had when they owned everyone. This is like when people say Flash is only a macro bot: don't conceptualize the game of the best players in the world! In the last MSL, JD opted to outsmart Flash in every game because he knew that micro and macro alone (on those maps) wouldn't cut it. These players just can't get copied. If anything Flash’s reigns of dominance in the past have been a lot shorter than those of Bisu and JD, which would suggest that his style is easier to copy or figure out (14 CC lol?). I remember when Bisu’s style simply was to scout the opponent early and then do whatever he needed to beat his game plan.
I think the big difference between the way Flash strategically dominates opponents and the way a typical progamer does, is that Flash is a very improvised player. He relies on his immediate game sense in the moment and very few players display the speed of reaction and the ability to adapt to changes in the game that he does.
Two examples: Flash vs Mind on Othello and Flash vs Movie on HBR.
There is no way to say for sure, but I would submit that his game sense is better than Jaedong or Bisu's. Jaedong sure did outprepare Flash in the MSL finals, but he didn't display any impressive in the moment decision making that led to his victory.
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Ya, I'm not really talking about mind games or prepared BO's. In fact, I think Game 2 in the MSL finals show pretty well what I mean; JD came in with a super smart build that completely countered what Flash was originally doing. Then Flash adapts with some brilliant improvisation and wins the game anyway. Flash's game sense and adaptability is better than anyone elses. In order to be a top, top player you of course need to be decent at everything; Flash has awesome micro, macro and multitasking as well, and JD is of course not an idiot, but players have different things they excell at and sets them apart. JD's main strenght is his mechanics and micro (as well as a very strong pshyche). But if you look at how JD lost most of his recent ZvT's, like vs Darkelf, it's because he failed to react to what the T was doing. If JD was as smart as Flash is when it comes to improvisation he would've been the best player of all time no doubt and the closest thing to perfection we've seen, but he isn't.
Lol, Flash gains 7 ELO points for 3-0'ing MVP.
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i think if u switch great with calm on the pr no one will say a thing go for it
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On May 06 2010 22:25 pvzvt wrote: i think if u switch great with calm on the pr no one will say a thing go for it
switch great for "imperfect micro on silly map"
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On May 06 2010 22:53 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 22:25 pvzvt wrote: i think if u switch great with calm on the pr no one will say a thing go for it switch great for "imperfect micro on silly map"
Is it really that hard to position a unit in a certain location? The location doesn't change.
Its like blaming Andromeda for bisus loss.
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