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On January 07 2010 12:52 yhnmk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 03:04 MuffinDude wrote:On January 06 2010 19:17 raga4ka wrote:
STORK LOSING TO CHEESE IS HIS OWN FAULT , PURE LOSING TO CHEESE IS HIS OWN FAULT . DON'T BLAME THE MAPS , MATCH-UPS , BUILD ORDERS , CHEESE ALL - IN BLAME THE PLAYER THAT LOST AND THEIR SKILLS !!!! A WIN IS A WIN NO MATTER WHAT HE DID IN THE GAME .
Losing in a practically unwinnable game doesn't make any person look bad you know, especially el nino. Theres only 2 protoss that ever actually beat anyone on el nino, and they're arguably the best pvzers out there right now. Of course how they lose is relevant. Pure played like shit, his loss was valid. And stork totally misplayed against those mass mutas, though who knows how much some features of the map played a part in his crappy response, I donno.
There were no gas expansions for him to take, so he had no way to fight the mutalisks.
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Yeah, but the general consensus is that an easy third gas makes a map Z>P.
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On January 07 2010 15:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, but the general consensus is that an easy third gas makes a map Z>P.
No. Easy third gas for Zerg + hard third gas for Protoss makes a map Z>P.
Fighting Spirit has easy third gas for both players, and is fiercely competitive. El Nino has easy third + fourth gas for Zerg, and very hard third gas for Protoss --> Z>>P rape.
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United States33383 Posts
everyone writes this column differently, they just forget to put in a 2 page preface detailing all their criteria each time ;o
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FvP is back! The ultimate weapon is complete.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 07 2010 20:51 okum wrote:
FvP is back! The ultimate weapon is complete.
It never left 
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I like the list. Would only change the lower rankings:
7 to Kal (this guy is underacknowledged at TL)
8 to Sea
9 to Calm
10 to Kwanro.
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United States8841 Posts
On January 07 2010 21:28 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 20:51 okum wrote:
FvP is back! The ultimate weapon is complete. It never left
I would love you if you didn't hate Violet. >:[
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I guess an anti-JD club should be founded. it would have contless members, and at least less ppl would conplain about PR when one of its members writes the PR, some placements wouldnt be discussed this much.
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On January 07 2010 22:55 Geo.Rion wrote:
I guess an anti-JD club should be founded. it would have contless members, and at least less ppl would conplain about PR when one of its members writes the PR, some placements wouldnt be discussed this much.
People are whining way too much about JDs placement imo. Nobody actually argues that he should be no1 so they are talking about one spot. Doesnt seem huge enough for all the controversy to me. Besides, stork should always be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to silver medal
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So much Kwarno hate... + Show Spoiler + There isn't much wrong with Kwarno. He is the lowest-end S-class zerg, but he is still a monster and I think most progamers would tell you they fear going up against him.
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On January 07 2010 22:55 Geo.Rion wrote:
I guess an anti-JD club should be founded. it would have contless members, and at least less ppl would conplain about PR when one of its members writes the PR, some placements wouldnt be discussed this much.
Jaedong is one of the most well-liked and admired gamers on this site, wtf are you talking about.
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On January 08 2010 03:39 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 22:55 Geo.Rion wrote:
I guess an anti-JD club should be founded. it would have contless members, and at least less ppl would conplain about PR when one of its members writes the PR, some placements wouldnt be discussed this much. Jaedong is one of the most well-liked and admired gamers on this site, wtf are you talking about.
guess i'm reading the wrong topics, and the wrong articles.
Plexa is well known for his JD-hate, explained in countless audios and comments (we dont realy have other anti-fan admins, do we?), and the PR thread is always filled with JD haters, so are the LR threads time to time, although i havent read them so much recently.
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On January 07 2010 00:16 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 20:56 raga4ka wrote:On January 06 2010 20:38 Malinor wrote:On January 06 2010 01:06 Plexa wrote:On January 05 2010 23:17 HuntingX wrote:
2. Jaedong is STILL IN THE MSL. Ignoring that MULTIPLE pros (and even top foreigners) have said ZvZ mechanics is so high now that it's basically build order wins, and ignoring that 2 of JD's losses come to Flash, etc. Yes, it's bad to lose to CrazyHydra. But it's ZvZ, Jaedong's ZvZ has been shaky as of late (his ZvP, on the other hand, has looked great). Stork has to perform BETTER than Jaedong to make up for the fact that he's out of BOTH leagues. That's the distinction that we seem to have trouble coming to terms with. The single biggest issue I have with the "jaedong is still in the MSL" argument is that he's being spoonfed scrubs thanks to the retarded MSL bracket generation system. Let me know when Jaedong faces a real opponent in the MSL kkk Is this even accurate? Seeding after Kespa ranks just starts with the quarter-finals. Of course JD was seeded in his Ro32 group (since he made Ro4 last year), and since he won that one, of course he got to play someone who finished second in his group (aka Firefist, could have been Ruby). Until his series against stats (which hasn't finished yet), it has been a normal MSL for him. And in the Ro4 his opponent will either be Kal or Hwasin, so he will in fact face a real opponent then. On another note, although I believe JD should have been second, I don't think he will win a SL this season, even if Flash wasn't the monster he is right now. I just feel that he does not have the dedication in his eyes that he had last year. Quite understandable after back-2-back OSLs. Even a tyrant needs to rest sometime. I agree that Jaedong doesn't look as good right now , but if Flash get's eliminated i don't see who will stop him . With the exception of probably Light who is a solid TvZer still in a Bo5 would be tough for Light . A protoss player ? NO ; Kwanro ? doubt it in a BO 5 . I think Flash vs Jaedong on paper is a lock unless Best/Light cause the upsets ... Flash has a tendency to drop to low caliber gamers, and he got to face Best, even if up 1 game, and JD. JD will stomp him, Best has a chanse too.
wtf? Where the hell have you been the last few weeks?(or months)
Or years if were not exclusively talking about individual leagues
On January 08 2010 04:20 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 03:39 Djabanete wrote:On January 07 2010 22:55 Geo.Rion wrote:
I guess an anti-JD club should be founded. it would have contless members, and at least less ppl would conplain about PR when one of its members writes the PR, some placements wouldnt be discussed this much. Jaedong is one of the most well-liked and admired gamers on this site, wtf are you talking about. guess i'm reading the wrong topics, and the wrong articles. Plexa is well known for his JD-hate, explained in countless audios and comments (we dont realy have other anti-fan admins, do we?), and the PR thread is always filled with JD haters, so are the LR threads time to time, although i havent read them so much recently.
Have you read the best vs flash LR? Do you see how much shit flash gets there?
There's always a lot of people flaming the one player who is the most successful, flash is even getting more shit than JD was.
Jaedong is still easily one of the 3 most popular pro gamers (out of those who can still play this game at top lvl)
P.S. everyone give Plexa a break, it's his birthday after all :p
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Bisu not in the rank seems pretty fail to me. Stork seems to be overrated too.
Too big a deal is made of Bisu dropping a single game to Stork IMO. Stork is an S class player after all. Similarly it's really not much of a shame for Jaedong to lose to Flash's TvZ. And I don't see Stork as "the reigning Protoss king".
Zero doesn't seem significantly better than Effort to me, and surely going 0-2 vs Stork with zerg is more of a shame than going 0-1 vs Stork with protoss?
Stork should be like 3-5 (with Jaedong at 2) and Bisu like 6-8 (with Zero out) IMO. Other than that I don't disagree that much.
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On January 08 2010 05:11 x11tman wrote:
Bisu not in the rank seems pretty fail to me. Stork seems to be overrated too.
Too big a deal is made of Bisu dropping a single game to Stork IMO. Stork is an S class player after all. Similarly it's really not much of a shame for Jaedong to lose to Flash's TvZ. And I don't see Stork as "the reigning Protoss king".
Zero doesn't seem significantly better than Effort to me, and surely going 0-2 vs Stork with zerg is more of a shame than going 0-1 vs Stork with protoss?
Stork should be like 3-5 (with Jaedong at 2) and Bisu like 6-8 (with Zero out) IMO. Other than that I don't disagree that much.
thats like saying i'd like a what he ordered (coffee with sugar) but instead of coffee tea and honey lemon and no sugar
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On January 03 2010 10:08 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2010 09:44 StylishVODs wrote:
sure then don't lower stork. just don't raise him above jaedong.
Stork just dropped out of both leagues and he is raised to nr 2 over jaedong from nr5 who would be in both leagues had he not faced flash and their skill is very similuar. Although I think jaedong is better.
i don't see how this is defendable, stork bias. However, stork's play is slightly better than jaedong's. This is why he should be in #2.
Ahhh, that must be why he got knocked out of both leagues. Because he's playing slightly better.
Silly me.
It's not like Stork got knocked out by powerhouses either.
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On January 08 2010 07:00 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2010 10:08 MuffinDude wrote:On January 03 2010 09:44 StylishVODs wrote:
sure then don't lower stork. just don't raise him above jaedong.
Stork just dropped out of both leagues and he is raised to nr 2 over jaedong from nr5 who would be in both leagues had he not faced flash and their skill is very similuar. Although I think jaedong is better.
i don't see how this is defendable, stork bias. However, stork's play is slightly better than jaedong's. This is why he should be in #2. Ahhh, that must be why he got knocked out of both leagues. Because he's playing slightly better. Silly me. It's not like Stork got knocked out by powerhouses either.
That alone doesnt mean that he hasnt played better.
While I agree that Jaedong is better than Stork your post is disgustingly arrogant.
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All I can say is I'm glad I'm not Plexa this month. Making the PR must've been absolutely brutal.
I have no complaints. I do wish ZerO would win some more games at the end of each month, though...
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