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On January 08 2010 04:20 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 03:39 Djabanete wrote:On January 07 2010 22:55 Geo.Rion wrote:
I guess an anti-JD club should be founded. it would have contless members, and at least less ppl would conplain about PR when one of its members writes the PR, some placements wouldnt be discussed this much. Jaedong is one of the most well-liked and admired gamers on this site, wtf are you talking about. guess i'm reading the wrong topics, and the wrong articles. Plexa is well known for his JD-hate, explained in countless audios and comments (we dont realy have other anti-fan admins, do we?), and the PR thread is always filled with JD haters, so are the LR threads time to time, although i havent read them so much recently.
Every player attracts haters when they're doing extremely well, but overall I think Jaedong has always been respected on this site. People used to be quick to call "slump", but that stopped after Jaedong proved them wrong for the billionth time. I've seen a lot of posts recently to the effect that you can never ever count Jaedong out, which is a very high compliment; and it stems from his important wins over fantasy and Bisu last year when people wondered whether Jaedong was an underdog.
Basically, even now that Flash is doing better than Jaedong, people still (rightfully) give Jaedong massive amounts of credit as well as the benefit of the doubt. I'm pretty sure he's one of the most popular players on this site, and I certainly don't see him getting nearly as much hate as Flash right now.
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Of the four 'Heavenly Kings', Jaedong definitely has the least number of anti-fans. There have never been many people who cheered against Jaedong in LR threads (as in, cheered specifically for JD to lose no matter who he was facing), for example. I think he's generally well-liked even by people who aren't rabid fans of his (I know I like him a lot, and I'm not a JD fan).
Next up is probably Stork, who seems to be everybody's 'second favorite player'. He did have some anti-fans for a long time (including FakeSteve), and the whole "lol Stork choooooker" crowd who enjoys seeing him place 2nd in everything, but overall he's well-liked, especially recently with his colorful interviews and that homoerotic Stork pictures thread.
3rd and 4th would be Bisu and Flash, who both have a lot of anti-fans. A couple months ago I would have said Bisu had the most anti-fans, but Flash has caught up lately and will probably become the progamer with by far the most number of anti-fans if he wins both titles.
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Sigh~
One person comes up with "wow flash just turtles, what a pussy" and suddenly every JD/Stork/Bisu fanboy is spouting the same nonsense.
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I think placing Stork over Jaedong is relatively small issue in this PR. Sure, I would put personally Jaedong on 2nd spot but hey, Strok was playing really well in December as well.
Now, Seeing Calm at 9th, Sea at 7th, while Kwanro and Zero are above Calm and Violet completely neglected is really disturbing.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Well i havent seen any really great play from shine apart from his cheese only builds.. maybe the game vs stork where he lost.. Shine sux 
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On January 08 2010 20:29 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Shine] +Wow Shine, way to choke. Kiss your high ranking spot in the PR goodbye
Choke? He played the same way he did vs Bisu\Stork except his style has been figured out by movie. Ultimate ZvP sniper was a bit premature.
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On January 08 2010 20:29 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Shine] +Wow Shine, way to choke. Kiss your high ranking spot in the PR goodbye
its not choking when you were never good in the first place
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On January 08 2010 20:41 Oystein wrote:Choke? He played the same way he did vs Bisu\Stork except his style has been figured out by movie. Ultimate ZvP sniper was a bit premature.
I have to agree Movie countered him really good . They both played well with the exception of the fourth game where Shine underestimated Movie's timing attack , doubt it was choke but more or less bad defence and excellent timing on Movie's part .
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On January 08 2010 20:54 IdrA wrote:its not choking when you were never good in the first place
I guess that explains why you lose to foreigners ay Idra ?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 08 2010 20:41 Oystein wrote:Choke? He played the same way he did vs Bisu\Stork except his style has been figured out by movie. Ultimate ZvP sniper was a bit premature.
+ Show Spoiler +The way he played at key moments is pretty indicative that his nerves were getting to him =/
i.e. his hydra control during the cannon break in game 1 as opposed to his hydra control later on in game 1
and then in game 2 where he choked as he was dropped and movie was moving out
bleh
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On January 08 2010 10:27 Hinanawi wrote:
Of the four 'Heavenly Kings', Jaedong definitely has the least number of anti-fans. There have never been many people who cheered against Jaedong in LR threads (as in, cheered specifically for JD to lose no matter who he was facing), for example. I think he's generally well-liked even by people who aren't rabid fans of his (I know I like him a lot, and I'm not a JD fan).
Next up is probably Stork, who seems to be everybody's 'second favorite player'. He did have some anti-fans for a long time (including FakeSteve), and the whole "lol Stork choooooker" crowd who enjoys seeing him place 2nd in everything, but overall he's well-liked, especially recently with his colorful interviews and that homoerotic Stork pictures thread.
3rd and 4th would be Bisu and Flash, who both have a lot of anti-fans. A couple months ago I would have said Bisu had the most anti-fans, but Flash has caught up lately and will probably become the progamer with by far the most number of anti-fans if he wins both titles. lol its funny because im both a stork anti fan and a jd anti fan. And a Sea anti fan. :O
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On January 08 2010 21:27 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 20:41 Oystein wrote:On January 08 2010 20:29 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Shine] +Wow Shine, way to choke. Kiss your high ranking spot in the PR goodbye Choke? He played the same way he did vs Bisu\Stork except his style has been figured out by movie. Ultimate ZvP sniper was a bit premature. + Show Spoiler +The way he played at key moments is pretty indicative that his nerves were getting to him =/
i.e. his hydra control during the cannon break in game 1 as opposed to his hydra control later on in game 1
and then in game 2 where he choked as he was dropped and movie was moving out
bleh
Yeah, but Movie was at least as nervous as Shine was. It's both people's first Bo5. And Movie had to play against a good player on bad maps for him.
He clearly showed his PvZ is way stronger than Bisu/Stork's is.
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His PvZ is topnotch but its impossible to clearly say its better than bisu and stork he was better prepared for shine, he had the advantage of playing him later on..
Shine cant win a straightup game with any of the mentioned players.
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On January 08 2010 22:07 yhnmk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 10:27 Hinanawi wrote:
Of the four 'Heavenly Kings', Jaedong definitely has the least number of anti-fans. There have never been many people who cheered against Jaedong in LR threads (as in, cheered specifically for JD to lose no matter who he was facing), for example. I think he's generally well-liked even by people who aren't rabid fans of his (I know I like him a lot, and I'm not a JD fan).
Next up is probably Stork, who seems to be everybody's 'second favorite player'. He did have some anti-fans for a long time (including FakeSteve), and the whole "lol Stork choooooker" crowd who enjoys seeing him place 2nd in everything, but overall he's well-liked, especially recently with his colorful interviews and that homoerotic Stork pictures thread.
3rd and 4th would be Bisu and Flash, who both have a lot of anti-fans. A couple months ago I would have said Bisu had the most anti-fans, but Flash has caught up lately and will probably become the progamer with by far the most number of anti-fans if he wins both titles. lol its funny because im both a stork anti fan and a jd anti fan. And a Sea anti fan. :O
So you're just a hater.
On January 08 2010 21:27 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 20:41 Oystein wrote:On January 08 2010 20:29 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Shine] +Wow Shine, way to choke. Kiss your high ranking spot in the PR goodbye Choke? He played the same way he did vs Bisu\Stork except his style has been figured out by movie. Ultimate ZvP sniper was a bit premature. + Show Spoiler +The way he played at key moments is pretty indicative that his nerves were getting to him =/
i.e. his hydra control during the cannon break in game 1 as opposed to his hydra control later on in game 1
and then in game 2 where he choked as he was dropped and movie was moving out
bleh
This should really not be surprising.
+ Show Spoiler + Shine's failure to dodge a single storm at the end of Game 1 was really embarrassing. So to was his (lack of) observer sniping in Game 2, and his near-choke in Game 3, where  Movie handed him an advantage on a platter. Game 4 was pretty horrendous too.
But Shine has always been a cheesy all-in player, and with enough preparation, he just got rocked by a player who was prepared and miles ahead in game sense and ability. Not surprising.
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On January 08 2010 21:23 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 20:54 IdrA wrote:On January 08 2010 20:29 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Shine] +Wow Shine, way to choke. Kiss your high ranking spot in the PR goodbye its not choking when you were never good in the first place I guess that explains why you lose to foreigners ay Idra ?
Sorry but that post doesn't make sense
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On January 08 2010 21:27 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 20:41 Oystein wrote:On January 08 2010 20:29 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Shine] +Wow Shine, way to choke. Kiss your high ranking spot in the PR goodbye Choke? He played the same way he did vs Bisu\Stork except his style has been figured out by movie. Ultimate ZvP sniper was a bit premature. + Show Spoiler +The way he played at key moments is pretty indicative that his nerves were getting to him =/
i.e. his hydra control during the cannon break in game 1 as opposed to his hydra control later on in game 1
and then in game 2 where he choked as he was dropped and movie was moving out
bleh
+ Show Spoiler +I'm sure that movie also did lots of mistakes he wouldn't have done in practice, like the way he lost his first shuttle to shines scourge in game 2 iirc. And game 3? come on that was ridiculous how he didn't even have a single cannon in his base.
Movie just played better, even in game 3 where he was behind big time I felt like after he got that big disadvantage he still played better.
He's just the better player in general(at that mu).
Do we really need to put this in spoilers? I would never think about going into a thread with PR discussion after an important match.
ups sorry for double post
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On January 08 2010 23:07 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 21:27 Plexa wrote:On January 08 2010 20:41 Oystein wrote:On January 08 2010 20:29 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Shine] +Wow Shine, way to choke. Kiss your high ranking spot in the PR goodbye Choke? He played the same way he did vs Bisu\Stork except his style has been figured out by movie. Ultimate ZvP sniper was a bit premature. + Show Spoiler +The way he played at key moments is pretty indicative that his nerves were getting to him =/
i.e. his hydra control during the cannon break in game 1 as opposed to his hydra control later on in game 1
and then in game 2 where he choked as he was dropped and movie was moving out
bleh Yeah, but Movie was at least as nervous as Shine was. It's both people's first Bo5. And Movie had to play against a good player on bad maps for him. He clearly showed his PvZ is way stronger than Bisu/Stork's is.
How did he show that his PvZ is way stronger? Because he managed to beat Shine? Sure Movie has a very strong PvZ, but to draw the conclusion that he is way stronger at it than say Bisu who is 17-5 in his last 22 PvZ, a career winrate of 66.4% and on a 7 game winstreak vs Z is ignorant at best. While Bisu losing to Shine was bad, he did it during a time when Zergs was killing Protosses left and right and the tosses had yet found a good counter to the muta snipes.
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On January 09 2010 00:04 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 23:07 SuperArc wrote:On January 08 2010 21:27 Plexa wrote:On January 08 2010 20:41 Oystein wrote:On January 08 2010 20:29 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Shine] +Wow Shine, way to choke. Kiss your high ranking spot in the PR goodbye Choke? He played the same way he did vs Bisu\Stork except his style has been figured out by movie. Ultimate ZvP sniper was a bit premature. + Show Spoiler +The way he played at key moments is pretty indicative that his nerves were getting to him =/
i.e. his hydra control during the cannon break in game 1 as opposed to his hydra control later on in game 1
and then in game 2 where he choked as he was dropped and movie was moving out
bleh Yeah, but Movie was at least as nervous as Shine was. It's both people's first Bo5. And Movie had to play against a good player on bad maps for him. He clearly showed his PvZ is way stronger than Bisu/Stork's is. How did he show that his PvZ is way stronger? Because he managed to beat Shine? Sure Movie has a very strong PvZ, but to draw the conclusion that he is way stronger at it than say Bisu who is 17-5 in his last 22 PvZ, a career winrate of 66.4% and on a 7 game winstreak vs Z is ignorant at best. While Bisu losing to Shine was bad, he did it during a time when Zergs was killing Protosses left and right and the tosses had yet found a good counter to the muta snipes.
Yes, because he managed to beat Shine. Maybe you forgot, but zergs still keep killing protosses left and right. Movie was/is just an exception. And no one says Bisu isnt a zerg destroyer IN THE OLD DAYS. People blamed Bisu/Stork's losses to the maps, guess what? Movie won on the exact same maps (in fact he won on the Z>>>>>P maps).
Bisu is generally a better player than Movie yes, better mechanics too. That's why he will also get better results. But in PvZ? It's been a long, long while since we had a "OMG Bisu!!!" moment in his PvZs. Movie is just playing better against zergs than Bisu is.
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On January 09 2010 00:45 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 00:04 Oystein wrote:On January 08 2010 23:07 SuperArc wrote:On January 08 2010 21:27 Plexa wrote:On January 08 2010 20:41 Oystein wrote:On January 08 2010 20:29 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Shine] +Wow Shine, way to choke. Kiss your high ranking spot in the PR goodbye Choke? He played the same way he did vs Bisu\Stork except his style has been figured out by movie. Ultimate ZvP sniper was a bit premature. + Show Spoiler +The way he played at key moments is pretty indicative that his nerves were getting to him =/
i.e. his hydra control during the cannon break in game 1 as opposed to his hydra control later on in game 1
and then in game 2 where he choked as he was dropped and movie was moving out
bleh Yeah, but Movie was at least as nervous as Shine was. It's both people's first Bo5. And Movie had to play against a good player on bad maps for him. He clearly showed his PvZ is way stronger than Bisu/Stork's is. How did he show that his PvZ is way stronger? Because he managed to beat Shine? Sure Movie has a very strong PvZ, but to draw the conclusion that he is way stronger at it than say Bisu who is 17-5 in his last 22 PvZ, a career winrate of 66.4% and on a 7 game winstreak vs Z is ignorant at best. While Bisu losing to Shine was bad, he did it during a time when Zergs was killing Protosses left and right and the tosses had yet found a good counter to the muta snipes. Yes, because he managed to beat Shine. Maybe you forgot, but zergs still keep killing protosses left and right. Movie was/is just an exception. And no one says Bisu isnt a zerg destroyer IN THE OLD DAYS. People blamed Bisu/Stork's losses to the maps, guess what? Movie won on the exact same maps (in fact he won on the Z>>>>>P maps). Bisu is generally a better player than Movie yes, better mechanics too. That's why he will also get better results. But in PvZ? It's been a long, long while since we had a "OMG Bisu!!!" moment in his PvZs. Movie is just playing better against zergs than Bisu is.
7-0 is still pretty damn good, even though shine and roro were the only really good players there
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