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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
On December 17 2009 03:44 cYaN wrote: Group of death to me means the one that will produce the closest games all the way. Doesn't matter at what level. To me that's group g. i doubt the winner of the tsl is in there, but anyone can win that group imo. This | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On December 16 2009 23:30 IdrA wrote: balanced level doesnt make it a group of depth. ask any player if theyd rather be in B or F, every one of them will say B. depends on whom they would replace though If any player had to replace ret in group F and have flaf,g5 and cloud in his group he would surely favour this over replacing octzerg and being in a group with morrow,kolll and naugrim.. get my point ? in group F ret is standing out followed by two very good players Cloud and G5 in group B kolll, naugrim and morrow are all very good players | ||
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Sc2ggRise
United States607 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 17 2009 08:09 MaGic~PhiL wrote: depends on whom they would replace though If any player had to replace ret in group F and have flaf,g5 and cloud in his group he would surely favour this over replacing octzerg and being in a group with morrow,kolll and naugrim.. get my point ? in group F ret is standing out followed by two very good players Cloud and G5 in group B kolll, naugrim and morrow are all very good players well cloud and g5 is still harder to get through than kolll naugrim morrow, but we're talking about the strength of the group, not the strength of 3 players. ya, F wouldnt be as strong without ret. but none of the groups would be as strong without their strongest player so whats the point of even discussing that? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 17 2009 03:44 cYaN wrote: Group of death to me means the one that will produce the closest games all the way. Doesn't matter at what level. To me that's group g. i doubt the winner of the tsl is in there, but anyone can win that group imo. why do people think that you can have 3 D players and have dead even games, would you call that a group of death? | ||
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
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ThE_OsToJiY
Canada1167 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1186 Posts
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SpaNiarD
Spain356 Posts
 GoGo oct, miko and technics | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On December 17 2009 12:07 IdrA wrote: well cloud and g5 is still harder to get through than kolll naugrim morrow, but we're talking about the strength of the group, not the strength of 3 players. ya, F wouldnt be as strong without ret. but none of the groups would be as strong without their strongest player so whats the point of even discussing that? How comes u think G5 and cloud are harder to beat than morrow,kolll or naugrim ? I think they are pretty even in skill. I mean you played them okey u should know best. So i cant really know better than you but we agree it mainly depends on what race you play and what match up u like, too doesnt it ? imagine a player who hates to play vs p and isnt that comfortable vs z being in the group with cloud,g5 and ret.. he probably would like to be in the zzzt group instead.. vice versa.. And people here thinkin that this group isnt a group of death because ret in it is simply wrong, too. Ret is the big favourite to win this group but let me tell u: In many other groups Cloud and maybe G5 would be favs too. Granted they dont have ret in the same group obviously.. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
On December 17 2009 12:08 IdrA wrote: why do people think that you can have 3 D players and have dead even games, would you call that a group of death? Yes. 1) Bisu, Jaedong, IdrA, ret 2) C, C, C, C (since they are more consistent that D) My group of death is 2 in this case. Group 1 bisu and jaedong qualifies, group C.. who knows. Obviously that wouldn't be the same tournament so we're not talking anywhere near as big a range of skill. Why do people think that? Why do you think otherwise? Do you have anything to back that up? Stop passing your opinion off as fact please. I was very careful to explain what i meant and that it was my definition. A quick google search reveals that there is no hard definition, but everyone is split on it. Football fans, starcraft fans.. you name it. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 18 2009 00:04 MaGic~PhiL wrote: How comes u think G5 and cloud are harder to beat than morrow,kolll or naugrim ? I think they are pretty even in skill. I mean you played them okey u should know best. So i cant really know better than you but we agree it mainly depends on what race you play and what match up u like, too doesnt it ? imagine a player who hates to play vs p and isnt that comfortable vs z being in the group with cloud,g5 and ret.. he probably would like to be in the zzzt group instead.. vice versa.. And people here thinkin that this group isnt a group of death because ret in it is simply wrong, too. Ret is the big favourite to win this group but let me tell u: In many other groups Cloud and maybe G5 would be favs too. Granted they dont have ret in the same group obviously.. octzerg is trash, morrow and naugrim are mediocre and kolll is questionable, given his performance since wcg. g5 is very good and cloud was the best or 2nd best foreign protoss for a long time, he dropped off the radar given his inactivity but he just laddered for 3 weeks and has another 3 weeks to prep for his matches, once youve reached that level its not that hard to regain alot of it. obviously personal preference depends on matchup, though theres not many players with matchups so skewed that theyd rather face ret g5 cloud than morrow naugrim koll, but we're talking about the overall strength of the group, where that doesnt matter. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 18 2009 01:56 cYaN wrote: Yes. 1) Bisu, Jaedong, IdrA, ret 2) C, C, C, C (since they are more consistent that D) My group of death is 2 in this case. Group 1 bisu and jaedong qualifies, group C.. who knows. Obviously that wouldn't be the same tournament so we're not talking anywhere near as big a range of skill. Why do people think that? Why do you think otherwise? Do you have anything to back that up? Stop passing your opinion off as fact please. I was very careful to explain what i meant and that it was my definition. A quick google search reveals that there is no hard definition, but everyone is split on it. Football fans, starcraft fans.. you name it. because its a "group of death" not a "group of evenly matched players with an uncertain outcome" we're talking about the best, hardest, scariest group. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
Definitely group B | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 18 2009 01:56 cYaN wrote: Yes. 1) Bisu, Jaedong, IdrA, ret 2) C, C, C, C (since they are more consistent that D) My group of death is 2 in this case. Group 1 bisu and jaedong qualifies, group C.. who knows. Obviously that wouldn't be the same tournament so we're not talking anywhere near as big a range of skill. Why do people think that? Why do you think otherwise? Do you have anything to back that up? Stop passing your opinion off as fact please. I was very careful to explain what i meant and that it was my definition. A quick google search reveals that there is no hard definition, but everyone is split on it. Football fans, starcraft fans.. you name it. It's a group of death because it forces elimination of players who deserve to place higher in the tournament -> death. A group of C C C C has none so it's not a group of death. Also, if 2 of them are koreans its not even at all. On December 17 2009 08:09 MaGic~PhiL wrote: depends on whom they would replace though If any player had to replace ret in group F and have flaf,g5 and cloud in his group he would surely favour this over replacing octzerg and being in a group with morrow,kolll and naugrim.. get my point ? in group F ret is standing out followed by two very good players Cloud and G5 in group B kolll, naugrim and morrow are all very good players So you believe that OctZerg is as good at Ret? This comparison makes no sense in the first place. OctZerg isn't even the first seed. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
but a Morrow, OctZerg, Koll, Naugrim group comes in a close second that is ridic. Morrow @ second, Octzerg is gosu, Koll is wonderkid with like an umlat over the "O". UBER wonderkid, and Naugrim is a gosu and gm player. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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