EPTTSL group of death?
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ondik
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John49ers
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s.a.y
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Grobyc
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538
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
group B is abit harder to predict since there are 3zergs and one morrow anyway gogo Naugrim | ||
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oob
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GoAudio
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PangO
Chile1870 Posts
F pretty intenso too | ||
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Holgerius
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JWD
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Chaos
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On December 16 2009 09:24 Sadistx wrote: Only one vote for Tarson's group? Yeah I think H deserves more votes, but more because of Sziky than Tarson. Sziky is a major darkhorse in this tournament, he is relatively unknown but better than most people think. | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
- A group where favorites are packed and it's hard to predict who will advance (obviously B) or - A group where one player will easily stomp dead his opponents (Mondragon is basically in R16 already) | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On December 16 2009 09:29 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote: Why is group A not included in the poll? Not that I wanted to choose it, just wondering.. It's slightly different than the other groups in that we're not sure who its Q3 player will be (it's either NonY or IdrA). | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
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tre2ettsexsju
Sweden248 Posts
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CoL_Drake
Germany455 Posts
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aqui
Germany1023 Posts
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Trozz
Canada3454 Posts
Looks like Ret is the last boss! I like group J too. | ||
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aeroH
United States1034 Posts
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On December 16 2009 09:30 ggrrg wrote: So, what do you mean by group of death? - A group where favorites are packed and it's hard to predict who will advance (obviously B) or - A group where one player will easily stomp dead his opponents (Mondragon is basically in R16 already) option one fits it closest. Biggest baddest group | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
The strongest ones I think are B,F and G though | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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TheFallofTroy
Canada780 Posts
It seems like every group has 2 notable players and 2 unknowns. Hopefully that means we will see some interesting play and great games. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Group B is also very strong, but I feel like kolll is a slight favorite given his ZvZ, and ZvT. | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On December 16 2009 09:09 wolfy4033 wrote: B and F both look pretty deadly, but I voted F Agreed. | ||
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Weaponx3
Canada232 Posts
Group B - because octzerg is allin, and morrow is cheese.. agaisnt koll's korean style is just asking for some interesting results. Group G - because it is totally up for grabs all these players are solid all around so should make for some close games btw. pretty sure Ret will win group F | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
On December 16 2009 11:01 Pulimuli wrote: Is it only 1 player from each group that will advance? if thats the case kinda sucks that both Naugrim and Morrow got the same group t_t Ya just one plus the others that already qualified through their results from the last TSL. | ||
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rredtooth
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JoMal
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
pretty clear cut win for g5 | ||
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Try
United States1293 Posts
On December 16 2009 11:33 IdrA wrote: not sure why group f gets so many votes pretty clear cut win for g5 LOL the saga continues. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
GL to all~ | ||
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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Group B ez | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
in no particular order | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
then I would go for group B or F group of death = group where everyone can advance and theres no favourite then I would go for G | ||
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Raiju
Australia235 Posts
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pokerface
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On December 16 2009 09:25 JWD wrote: Yeah I think H deserves more votes, but more because of Sziky than Tarson. Sziky is a major darkhorse in this tournament, he is relatively unknown but better than most people think. Amen brother | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
To me, the group of death is the one with the highest average skill level between the players. It's more than being hard to predict because a group of 4 mediocre players wouldn't have a clear favorite either. Group B Morrow almost got A+ and finished second on the ladder. OctZerg put in a ton of games and has a great ZvZ win percentage. He's guaranteed to play a zerg in Q2. Kolll would have made top 12 if he had played more. Everyone knows him from his WCG performance. Naugrim is a solid player that participates in loads of tournaments and does well. He beat Morrow at Dreamhack this year too. That's just killer. | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
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PeAcY6969
France621 Posts
>:-( | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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BookTwo
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
Octzerg got preety good chance to play Morrow because his zvz is awesome not so sure if he can win Morrow. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
are these groups like everyone play 1 series with each other like ESL? edit: oh wait i just saw http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=107964 xd | ||
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bellweather
United States404 Posts
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NiGoL
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Horiz0n
Sweden364 Posts
On December 16 2009 20:17 InsideTheBox wrote: Why are so many voting F? As a whole, the players in group B are clearly better than those in F. I think its the same mentality that comes to play as when you put boxer in a pool, people see ret and vote for him, not because they think, but just because its ret... | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
I doubt it.. g5 and cloud are both awesome but naugrim and morrow are pretty good, too In my opinion group G is getting far too few votes.. | ||
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Intr3pid
Switzerland336 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 16 2009 23:18 Intr3pid wrote: It's easily Group B, people just fanboying ret (not that I hate him or anything, the guy's great) doesn't make his group the group of death. Actually I think he won't have much trouble advancing, whereas in Group B it is much harder to tell because the skill is on a very high but yet balanced level. balanced level doesnt make it a group of depth. ask any player if theyd rather be in B or F, every one of them will say B. | ||
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Intr3pid
Switzerland336 Posts
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wifebeater
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On December 17 2009 02:19 Zinbiel wrote: To me a group of death is a group where there are more good players than there are qualification spots. Since only 1 person advances here I'd say that the group with the strongest 2 players are the group of death. For example: An OSL group with firefist, flash, jaedong and spear would not be a group of death (since all players who should be in the ro8 will probably advance) whereas a group with Stork, Effort, Fantasy and pokju would be since we have 3 likely top 8 players in the same group. Yeah I totally agree. Reminds me of the recent poll about the hardest OSL/MSL groups. It was clearly the one that had 3 high level A or S pros (in that case it was Fantasy, Effort, Calm). Not just the one with Flash/Stork in it. EDIT: even though Kwanro/Tybe-B are very good | ||
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meathook
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Djzapz
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cYaN
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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Intr3pid
Switzerland336 Posts
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
On December 17 2009 03:44 cYaN wrote: Group of death to me means the one that will produce the closest games all the way. Doesn't matter at what level. To me that's group g. i doubt the winner of the tsl is in there, but anyone can win that group imo. This | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On December 16 2009 23:30 IdrA wrote: balanced level doesnt make it a group of depth. ask any player if theyd rather be in B or F, every one of them will say B. depends on whom they would replace though If any player had to replace ret in group F and have flaf,g5 and cloud in his group he would surely favour this over replacing octzerg and being in a group with morrow,kolll and naugrim.. get my point ? in group F ret is standing out followed by two very good players Cloud and G5 in group B kolll, naugrim and morrow are all very good players | ||
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Sc2ggRise
United States607 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 17 2009 08:09 MaGic~PhiL wrote: depends on whom they would replace though If any player had to replace ret in group F and have flaf,g5 and cloud in his group he would surely favour this over replacing octzerg and being in a group with morrow,kolll and naugrim.. get my point ? in group F ret is standing out followed by two very good players Cloud and G5 in group B kolll, naugrim and morrow are all very good players well cloud and g5 is still harder to get through than kolll naugrim morrow, but we're talking about the strength of the group, not the strength of 3 players. ya, F wouldnt be as strong without ret. but none of the groups would be as strong without their strongest player so whats the point of even discussing that? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 17 2009 03:44 cYaN wrote: Group of death to me means the one that will produce the closest games all the way. Doesn't matter at what level. To me that's group g. i doubt the winner of the tsl is in there, but anyone can win that group imo. why do people think that you can have 3 D players and have dead even games, would you call that a group of death? | ||
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FragKrag
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ThE_OsToJiY
Canada1167 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
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SpaNiarD
Spain346 Posts
 GoGo oct, miko and technics | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On December 17 2009 12:07 IdrA wrote: well cloud and g5 is still harder to get through than kolll naugrim morrow, but we're talking about the strength of the group, not the strength of 3 players. ya, F wouldnt be as strong without ret. but none of the groups would be as strong without their strongest player so whats the point of even discussing that? How comes u think G5 and cloud are harder to beat than morrow,kolll or naugrim ? I think they are pretty even in skill. I mean you played them okey u should know best. So i cant really know better than you but we agree it mainly depends on what race you play and what match up u like, too doesnt it ? imagine a player who hates to play vs p and isnt that comfortable vs z being in the group with cloud,g5 and ret.. he probably would like to be in the zzzt group instead.. vice versa.. And people here thinkin that this group isnt a group of death because ret in it is simply wrong, too. Ret is the big favourite to win this group but let me tell u: In many other groups Cloud and maybe G5 would be favs too. Granted they dont have ret in the same group obviously.. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
On December 17 2009 12:08 IdrA wrote: why do people think that you can have 3 D players and have dead even games, would you call that a group of death? Yes. 1) Bisu, Jaedong, IdrA, ret 2) C, C, C, C (since they are more consistent that D) My group of death is 2 in this case. Group 1 bisu and jaedong qualifies, group C.. who knows. Obviously that wouldn't be the same tournament so we're not talking anywhere near as big a range of skill. Why do people think that? Why do you think otherwise? Do you have anything to back that up? Stop passing your opinion off as fact please. I was very careful to explain what i meant and that it was my definition. A quick google search reveals that there is no hard definition, but everyone is split on it. Football fans, starcraft fans.. you name it. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 18 2009 00:04 MaGic~PhiL wrote: How comes u think G5 and cloud are harder to beat than morrow,kolll or naugrim ? I think they are pretty even in skill. I mean you played them okey u should know best. So i cant really know better than you but we agree it mainly depends on what race you play and what match up u like, too doesnt it ? imagine a player who hates to play vs p and isnt that comfortable vs z being in the group with cloud,g5 and ret.. he probably would like to be in the zzzt group instead.. vice versa.. And people here thinkin that this group isnt a group of death because ret in it is simply wrong, too. Ret is the big favourite to win this group but let me tell u: In many other groups Cloud and maybe G5 would be favs too. Granted they dont have ret in the same group obviously.. octzerg is trash, morrow and naugrim are mediocre and kolll is questionable, given his performance since wcg. g5 is very good and cloud was the best or 2nd best foreign protoss for a long time, he dropped off the radar given his inactivity but he just laddered for 3 weeks and has another 3 weeks to prep for his matches, once youve reached that level its not that hard to regain alot of it. obviously personal preference depends on matchup, though theres not many players with matchups so skewed that theyd rather face ret g5 cloud than morrow naugrim koll, but we're talking about the overall strength of the group, where that doesnt matter. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 18 2009 01:56 cYaN wrote: Yes. 1) Bisu, Jaedong, IdrA, ret 2) C, C, C, C (since they are more consistent that D) My group of death is 2 in this case. Group 1 bisu and jaedong qualifies, group C.. who knows. Obviously that wouldn't be the same tournament so we're not talking anywhere near as big a range of skill. Why do people think that? Why do you think otherwise? Do you have anything to back that up? Stop passing your opinion off as fact please. I was very careful to explain what i meant and that it was my definition. A quick google search reveals that there is no hard definition, but everyone is split on it. Football fans, starcraft fans.. you name it. because its a "group of death" not a "group of evenly matched players with an uncertain outcome" we're talking about the best, hardest, scariest group. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
Definitely group B | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 18 2009 01:56 cYaN wrote: Yes. 1) Bisu, Jaedong, IdrA, ret 2) C, C, C, C (since they are more consistent that D) My group of death is 2 in this case. Group 1 bisu and jaedong qualifies, group C.. who knows. Obviously that wouldn't be the same tournament so we're not talking anywhere near as big a range of skill. Why do people think that? Why do you think otherwise? Do you have anything to back that up? Stop passing your opinion off as fact please. I was very careful to explain what i meant and that it was my definition. A quick google search reveals that there is no hard definition, but everyone is split on it. Football fans, starcraft fans.. you name it. It's a group of death because it forces elimination of players who deserve to place higher in the tournament -> death. A group of C C C C has none so it's not a group of death. Also, if 2 of them are koreans its not even at all. On December 17 2009 08:09 MaGic~PhiL wrote: depends on whom they would replace though If any player had to replace ret in group F and have flaf,g5 and cloud in his group he would surely favour this over replacing octzerg and being in a group with morrow,kolll and naugrim.. get my point ? in group F ret is standing out followed by two very good players Cloud and G5 in group B kolll, naugrim and morrow are all very good players So you believe that OctZerg is as good at Ret? This comparison makes no sense in the first place. OctZerg isn't even the first seed. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
but a Morrow, OctZerg, Koll, Naugrim group comes in a close second that is ridic. Morrow @ second, Octzerg is gosu, Koll is wonderkid with like an umlat over the "O". UBER wonderkid, and Naugrim is a gosu and gm player. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Seriously that has to be some heavy bias going on there for whatever reason morrow and naugrim are very good too if G5 is .. | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
group L is the group of death, someone messed up making this poll. kolll's group is not as hard as ret's group. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Infernal,Haypro,GosiTerran and Saywer is so sick Infernals like top 3 foreign tosses right now Hapyros ZvP and ZvT are basically the best after ret and mondi GosiTerran is just freaking good.. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
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Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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Tarmak_mk
Macedonia410 Posts
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
a hard group for me is = when alot of players are around the same skill level | ||
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RobertKang
Japan18 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
On December 16 2009 11:33 IdrA wrote: not sure why group f gets so many votes pretty clear cut win for g5 Ahahaha, ouch! | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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United States852 Posts
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