• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:37
CEST 07:37
KST 14:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch0Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
NaDa's Body Soulkey on ASL S20 BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1563 users

[SC2] A Thorough Examination - Page 16

Forum Index > News
332 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 Next All
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
June 29 2009 22:11 GMT
#301
On June 30 2009 07:03 CROrens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2009 06:31 FieryBalrog wrote:
On June 30 2009 06:30 CROrens wrote:
On June 30 2009 02:27 theqat wrote:
On June 30 2009 02:19 wtfhi2u wrote:
And the only real, "sound" rationale for all this, is to keep control over all esports events (I'm sure Blizzard themselves can manage it better than the current scene RIGHT?). GJ Blizzard, and if you have to screw the end user for it, it's all worth it amirite? Fucking scrooges, x3.


They don't want to "manage" the esports scene. They just want a share of the money.


LOL if thats true (and it proabably is) Blizz is one sad sad company... i love them for the epic games they make, but a company that makes millions every month from WoW is capable of making SC2 and all of its expansions completely free without financial losses


Blizzard isn't a charity to make you happy.

If it was EA, they would have milked the Korean scene ages ago for every penny. If anything, Blizzard has been a lot better than the other large gaming companies.


Other large gaming companies dont have a monthly income similar to one of a small country... capitalism is a bitch :D



You're right, and since Exxon Mobil makes even more money than Blizzard they should give me free gas for the next year. And Apple should give me free iPhone service, its only fair.
I will eat you alive
CROrens
Profile Joined May 2007
Croatia1005 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-29 22:26:42
June 29 2009 22:23 GMT
#302
On June 30 2009 07:11 FieryBalrog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2009 07:03 CROrens wrote:
On June 30 2009 06:31 FieryBalrog wrote:
On June 30 2009 06:30 CROrens wrote:
On June 30 2009 02:27 theqat wrote:
On June 30 2009 02:19 wtfhi2u wrote:
And the only real, "sound" rationale for all this, is to keep control over all esports events (I'm sure Blizzard themselves can manage it better than the current scene RIGHT?). GJ Blizzard, and if you have to screw the end user for it, it's all worth it amirite? Fucking scrooges, x3.


They don't want to "manage" the esports scene. They just want a share of the money.


LOL if thats true (and it proabably is) Blizz is one sad sad company... i love them for the epic games they make, but a company that makes millions every month from WoW is capable of making SC2 and all of its expansions completely free without financial losses


Blizzard isn't a charity to make you happy.

If it was EA, they would have milked the Korean scene ages ago for every penny. If anything, Blizzard has been a lot better than the other large gaming companies.


Other large gaming companies dont have a monthly income similar to one of a small country... capitalism is a bitch :D



You're right, and since Exxon Mobil makes even more money than Blizzard they should give me free gas for the next year. And Apple should give me free iPhone service, its only fair.


Leme put it this way, i dont know if they do, but if exxon mobile would be selling gas to some racing team - would it be reasonable to expect from them to want their share of money? Thats what im talking about... not about SC2 being for free... original poster said Blizz wants their share of money from esports, its not the same thing but i hope you understand what i mean
There is no problem that cannot be solved by the use of high explosives. - Anonymous ......||......Hyuk fan! \o/
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4336 Posts
June 29 2009 22:32 GMT
#303
On June 30 2009 00:58 Lz wrote:
tl.net shoulda sent me as a merc for them! i coulda smashed sc2gg soooooo ezzzz :D


LOL! Alright Lz. Bo5 money games during the beta. We'll say $20 a game. You up for it?
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
June 29 2009 22:46 GMT
#304
On June 30 2009 07:32 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2009 00:58 Lz wrote:
tl.net shoulda sent me as a merc for them! i coulda smashed sc2gg soooooo ezzzz :D


LOL! Alright Lz. Bo5 money games during the beta. We'll say $20 a game. You up for it?

hahaha psyonic you are going to be so broke during beta. (He has a bo5 20$/game bet with lzgamer too)
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 00:17:56
June 30 2009 00:16 GMT
#305
I've heard absolutely nothing about the viking; and that makes me sad, because I've already promised my friends that in the first game we play, I'm going to go for a viking "drop" on their mineral line.

I haven't read all of the thread, so my fault if this has already been addressed, but does anyone ever build these things?
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 30 2009 01:02 GMT
#306
On June 30 2009 09:16 tree.hugger wrote:
I've heard absolutely nothing about the viking; and that makes me sad, because I've already promised my friends that in the first game we play, I'm going to go for a viking "drop" on their mineral line.

I haven't read all of the thread, so my fault if this has already been addressed, but does anyone ever build these things?


It is quite solid anti-air, though in a strict air-to-air role the corruptor is a better unit.

Its strengths lie in its mobility and transformer aspect. They're a good counter [in air form] against Colossi, though against Zerg they're less viable.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 01:50:35
June 30 2009 01:14 GMT
#307
If its not to much could we get your honest opinion about the macro mechanics?

How often did you use them? Did it feel like using manual mining and single building selection? Were there any neat tricks you found? Was any race at a disadvantage? How can they be improved? How do you think casual players will react to them and how do you think pros will?


Also does OC still have call-down supplies? I havnt heard it mentioned in any of the recent stuff. And can the queen heal now? And is the banshee portrait female?


http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
June 30 2009 01:35 GMT
#308
On June 29 2009 22:11 floor exercise wrote:
I foresee this game being in beta for a very long time

qaswedfr25
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States212 Posts
June 30 2009 02:02 GMT
#309
Question: Zatic mentioned auto-surround at Cologne; is there any sort of automated combat AI for melee units in the current build or can you micro everything manually?
`Orum
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6 Posts
June 30 2009 02:45 GMT
#310
Oh man, and here I thought I was going to buy SC2. No LAN play? Hrm, 99.99% of the SC:BW I play is over LAN, the other 0.01% is just to download maps. And single player isn't my thing. People keep saying, "now I'm going to pirate this because there's no LAN", which is just a sorry excuse to try and justify their piracy. Why would I pirate something I don't want in the first place?

Anyway, I won't be buying SC2 until there's LAN play, and when they finally change their minds and include it, then and only then will I buy it.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4336 Posts
June 30 2009 03:22 GMT
#311
On June 30 2009 07:46 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2009 07:32 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
On June 30 2009 00:58 Lz wrote:
tl.net shoulda sent me as a merc for them! i coulda smashed sc2gg soooooo ezzzz :D


LOL! Alright Lz. Bo5 money games during the beta. We'll say $20 a game. You up for it?

hahaha psyonic you are going to be so broke during beta. (He has a bo5 20$/game bet with lzgamer too)


Who is he? Me? And no. I won't lose any cash. A winnar is me.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 30 2009 04:04 GMT
#312
On June 30 2009 11:02 qaswedfr25 wrote:
Question: Zatic mentioned auto-surround at Cologne; is there any sort of automated combat AI for melee units in the current build or can you micro everything manually?


You can micro everything but the automatic battle AI for melee units is so damn good that you usually don't have to.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 04:17:51
June 30 2009 04:16 GMT
#313
On June 30 2009 06:27 FieryBalrog wrote:What amazes me is that some of you people readily admit that the reason you want LAN is to pirate the game, and then you get upset at Blizzard for removing it because now you'll have to buy copies of the game? Could you be any stupider?


You know that in SC you had option for spawn installation, and that did mean that you could play on bn with one cd-key, not even only on the LAN. Wanting standards from 1998 makes you a pirate? Maybe get your facts straight about what SC offer with LAN, and spawn installation version to legally play on bn with one copy. 10 years later, and it is evil piracy now.

Just think about how inconvenience it is, now I have couple PC in home, so if somebody comes to my place we can play SC, but now I would have to buy SC2 couple times just for that reason? Or what every time when somebody did come to place I will install his copy just to play, and ten remove it? Fuck this shit.
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
June 30 2009 04:17 GMT
#314
On June 30 2009 04:39 Psilver wrote:
I didn't read all the pages, but, am I the only one to think that the spine crawler is the most awful building ever? I mean, his "tongue" is so thin in comparison to BW and it doesn't even attack by passing through the ground which make the attack look really ugly and imagine 5 of these attacking a Terran rush.


Oh god this was painful to watch.

It makes sense the spine crawlers would attack like that because if sunkens could do so much damage while pushing through several layers of sediment then just bypassing that would improve their attack speed and their attack power.

Since Spine crawlers move I'm hoping Blizzard sees the potential in giving them two ground attacks. The first was like the original pushing through dirt attack but it counts as a cliffing attack so units won't fire back or engage unless another unit is in range to spot. The new attack animation allows for the crawler to increase dps significantly while sacrificing its ability to attack in a stealthy manner.


If they don't do this I hope Blizzard realizes they were on drugs to implement this new animation and should discard it immediately.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 30 2009 06:04 GMT
#315
On June 30 2009 10:14 Archerofaiur wrote:
If its not to much could we get your honest opinion about the macro mechanics?

How often did you use them? Did it feel like using manual mining and single building selection? Were there any neat tricks you found? Was any race at a disadvantage? How can they be improved? How do you think casual players will react to them and how do you think pros will?


Also does OC still have call-down supplies? I havnt heard it mentioned in any of the recent stuff. And can the queen heal now? And is the banshee portrait female?




Zerg: As you can see in Zatic's piece, queen management takes both apm and some thinking.

Terran: The varied addons mean that it's quite a lot like SC1, simply because MBS isn't as 'good' as it is with the other races. Mule still seems gimmicky though.

Protoss: I really like the dark pylon. Warp-in is cute, too.

No idea about calldown, don't think so, and i don't remember.


I was clicking through the Protoss units to see their 'irritation' soundbytes and they're still funny.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
June 30 2009 06:07 GMT
#316
protoss so fucking imbalance. storm with bigger area and more damage??? fucking imbalace
Oppa feeding style
Tyraz
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
New Zealand310 Posts
June 30 2009 07:15 GMT
#317
Ok, well from what I've read, Blizzard seems to be steadily making the game more and more balanced. The three races macro additions (esp zerg) sound like they are actually working quite well, which is defniatly a good thing. I have to agree, that I'm not that disturbed by the mothership just being a big fuck off slow piece of shit. It could would work well to break stalemates (which is what you would expect from something so late game), so I would presume it would be OP, and slow as fuck which would draw fire and therefore move forces away from both armies (thus potentially creating holes in defence for both).

The LAN argument is just stupid. Steam works just fine for CS:Source over lan, you don't play through Steam servers, you just verify and stay connected through the steam client. Further; it is perfectly reasonable if (with reference to the guy above me) you want to have multiple copies, you buy multiple games. People do it with WoW all the time, if your respective Jew friends are too cheap to buy the game for themselves, then get other friends (seriously, when you compare it with going to the movies togeather, it equates to about '4 nites entertainment'... or half a days wages.. seriously stop being so cheap)
100% Pure.
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
June 30 2009 07:35 GMT
#318
Stop with this imbalance yells everywhere just because of psi storm being more powered or swarm getting larger or whatever. GUYS THIS IS NOT STARCRAFT 1.
It pisses me off how much all those ppl just whine when they just haven't tried the game at all yet. THIS IS STARCRAFT 2 NOT 1 GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
What for instance psi storm got more damage BUT lurks got more hp ? Exactly. Zerg whined because templars could kills lurks in 1 storm.
How the fuk can you know if they'll be overpowered given that we won't have lurks unless you get to T3 ? Big fukin deal. All the game has changed. It's not sc1 anymore.
Gah i'm leavin.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
June 30 2009 13:50 GMT
#319
Great report, sucks though that:


Medivac: It heals faster than a medic. Terran units have, on the whole, more health. This leads to some dps problems as Zerg’s masses struggle to overcome Terrans holding chokepoints. Also, with no scourge, drops cannot be killed efficiently in transit; there’s no way Zerg can have corruptors and mutalisks patrolling to shoot them down. On paper, you might submit the Queen as a counter, but she too struggles to kill fast enough.

Mass mobility: Terran does not have an equivalent to mass overlord/nydus worm/warp-in/phase prism shenanigans. This might be an issue but they said it wasn't in-house. We'll see once the beta hits.

Banshee: Imagine the wraith. Now, reverse its anti-air and anti-ground damage. Balance problems much? Karune agrees that countering air harass may be a problem, but if there are issues in the beta, they'll be duly addressed.


That problems I adressed at WWI are still there and quite fundamental for gameplay. Missing scourges matter so much lol. It's crazy how important that unit is for Z. Harass/Drops are so hard to stop. Hope they find a way to deal with this.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
June 30 2009 14:37 GMT
#320
Thank You for great article and answers my questions are:

1)
To call down mules Comsat is needed, so if CC has been changed into Planetary Fortress there is now way it can call them down?
How many mules can you call down?
Do they arrive near CC or anywhere you wish?

2)
In BR#3 I've seen multiple Queens. Is number of Queens limited in any way? Can all of them be evolved?

3)
Do Overlors transport units in this build? If yes is it 8 max?
How many units (Marines) Medivacs can carry?

4)
Is Corruptor a morphed Muta or Larva? Do you remember its cost?
Is it slower than Medivac and Raven?

5)
Is Ghost's Snipe in? Are Ghosts made in Barracks ;P (I'm confused by tech trees), same goes for Reapers?

6)
Can you tell how well Siege Tanks deal with Roaches and Stalkers (putting Immortals aside)? Are they stronger than in BW still?

I can't think of more questions now ;P, Thank You for answers
wwww
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 23m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech76
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 373
JulyZerg 40
Nal_rA 39
Bale 20
SilentControl 14
Icarus 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm127
League of Legends
JimRising 641
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K600
Coldzera 331
Other Games
summit1g7306
C9.Mang0374
XaKoH 140
ViBE45
Trikslyr19
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick706
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 45
• Sammyuel 31
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1129
• Stunt466
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
4h 23m
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
Map Test Tournament
5h 23m
The PondCast
7h 23m
RSL Revival
1d 4h
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
1d 21h
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Online Event
3 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.