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jingXD
Profile Joined May 2007
United States283 Posts
May 21 2008 14:44 GMT
#61
GOGOGO (P)(us)NonY! Give me a shot at that mousepad!
toshi
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Poland469 Posts
May 21 2008 15:24 GMT
#62
On May 21 2008 20:46 fbi wrote:
rofl about the NonY fanboys^^
they think Draco is bm and NonY not??? :D just lol xD

pro-
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
May 21 2008 20:31 GMT
#63
well, looks like im gonna miss this weekend's broadcast, since im gonna be out of town for memorial day weekend. gogo nony and brat!
Moonlight Shadow
tonytongji
Profile Joined January 2008
67 Posts
May 21 2008 21:42 GMT
#64
On May 21 2008 07:05 SURGETOSS wrote:
'next TSL' the best two words I have heard in a long time.

i second that
DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
May 21 2008 21:47 GMT
#65
I'm thinking Draco vs IefNaij, hoping Draco vs BRAT
CaStrO
Profile Joined April 2008
Peru136 Posts
May 21 2008 22:15 GMT
#66
my money SHIT! -.-"
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
May 22 2008 00:31 GMT
#67
Heh, what is everyone's problem with Draco? He does not cheat, he does not suddenly drop out of the tournament, he produces nice games and results, isn't that what he is expected to do? He is somewhat bitter in his interviews for whatever reason, but that's it. I fail to see any disrespect from his side.

If anyone showed any arrogance and disrespect in this torunament, it was Idra.
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
May 22 2008 01:21 GMT
#68
Well Draco, no one demands to know whether you practiced or not but you mention it, without fail, in every single interview.

On another note, looking so much forward to next cast, go Brat_ok! ^^
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
May 22 2008 01:51 GMT
#69
There's nothing BM about saying he didn't practice (unless it is not true, that would be pretty dumb,) but if he really hasn't been practicing at all like he said, he's not going to win this tourney. I think it's pretty sweet that he can just pick up and go back at it with the best players in the world. But he's not so good that he can win this tourney without practicing.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
lOstHeaven
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada212 Posts
May 22 2008 02:36 GMT
#70
Wow a next tsl!!!!!
Lost in Heaven
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
May 22 2008 04:29 GMT
#71
All the people who are very excited about "the next TSL" in the OP please keep in mind we need to first find a sponsor ^^

Then you can get excited.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
byron
Profile Joined May 2008
Angola21 Posts
May 22 2008 04:45 GMT
#72
i'm so offended draco is honest. he should lie to spare my feelings. or wait, who cares?

it's hilarious how people are upset at draco. everyone loves money and draco is doing the bare minimum to get it. if he can get away with it, more power to him. you should be more upset at the state of starcraft outside of korea that a guy who doesn't care at all can make it to the semis of the biggest tournament.
i cant see you newbs the apm in the way
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-22 04:58:46
May 22 2008 04:56 GMT
#73
On May 22 2008 13:45 byron wrote:
i'm so offended draco is honest. he should lie to spare my feelings. or wait, who cares?

it's hilarious how people are upset at draco. everyone loves money and draco is doing the bare minimum to get it. if he can get away with it, more power to him. you should be more upset at the state of starcraft outside of korea that a guy who doesn't care at all can make it to the semis of the biggest tournament.

Can we please stop saying "he doesn't care at all." Because he clearly does, he's making posts and playing the games to the best of his ability. He cares how he is perceived and of course, how much money he makes. I don't blame him, it's natural.

And all the people who are so impressed because "Draco never practices, he's so good even though he doesn't practice, etc" forget that of all the final 4, Draco has, on the whole, practiced the absolute most and of the absolute highest quality because he's spent several months in Korea. You don't simply forget those skills because the practice over there is so intense, technical, and ingrained in you. Just because he says he hasn't practiced much recently doesn't mean he magically forgets what he learned in a proteam.

In fact, I'm more impressed by White-Ra for leading that series against Draco without ever having the opportunity to undergo Pro-Korean practice for 10 hours a day for several months. The same goes for Nony if he beats Draco.

Given his history in a Korean pro-team Draco should win this tournament hands down. It shouldn't even be close. But amateur players who never got that opportunity at Pro-Korean practice are making it close. So let's enjoy it instead of focusing on however much Draco practices recently, because there's no reason to be impressed by him winning "without practice" when clearly it doesn't mean jack since he actually has had the best and most practice out of all the contestants by far. It's not even comparable.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
byron
Profile Joined May 2008
Angola21 Posts
May 22 2008 05:06 GMT
#74
I don't care if Draco practices or not, that's my whole point. If he can win 5k by NOT practicing, that's awesome and I'm happy for him. People are upset he's not practicing though. It offends them and they're acting like Draco spat on them when it's no big deal. I agree with you.

Practice or not Draco is still putting out awesome games and that's all that should matter, but Bigballs and others want Draco to sweat for his money. And you're right, it's not like Draco magically gained his StarCraft skills. He got it through previous hardwork, probably more hardwork than any foreigner who hasn't been to Korea, so the fact that he's banking on those skills now to make him some money shouldn't be such a sin.
i cant see you newbs the apm in the way
k3fka
Profile Joined November 2004
Argentina1267 Posts
May 22 2008 05:22 GMT
#75
the only thing that bothers me of the Retired_Draco thing is that you look like underachieving your opponent if you loose and overachieving your triumph if you win. Im sure a lot of the top players , didn't practice at all like draco but the difference is they don't use it as an escape boat.
byron
Profile Joined May 2008
Angola21 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-22 05:32:56
May 22 2008 05:29 GMT
#76
Oh and I wanted to address something else. I feels like you're not giving Draco enough credit. By just pigeoning him into "oh, well he's been to Korea he should wipe the floor with these guys!! THEY'RE the ones good for even competing with him" you're conveniently ignoring everyone else who's been to Korea with a pro-team, was in the TSL ladder / group stages and failed to make it this far.

If we're just going on history in Korea alone as to who the favorite is, then why wasn't Legionaire a favorite? Why wasn't Nazgul a favorite? Suncow? Leg was in Korea practicing with a pro-team much longer than Draco and Naz accomplished more. Draco is naturally talented and is a monster if he really didn't practice and made it this far, because those other guys (Leg and Naz for sure) also didn't practice and didn't make it very far.
i cant see you newbs the apm in the way
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
May 22 2008 05:48 GMT
#77
On May 22 2008 14:29 byron wrote:
Oh and I wanted to address something else. I feels like you're not giving Draco enough credit. By just pigeoning him into "oh, well he's been to Korea he should wipe the floor with these guys!! THEY'RE the ones good for even competing with him" you're conveniently ignoring everyone else who's been to Korea with a pro-team, was in the TSL ladder / group stages and failed to make it this far.

If we're just going on history in Korea alone as to who the favorite is, then why wasn't Legionaire a favorite? Why wasn't Nazgul a favorite? Suncow? Leg was in Korea practicing with a pro-team much longer than Draco and Naz accomplished more. Draco is naturally talented and is a monster if he really didn't practice and made it this far, because those other guys (Leg and Naz for sure) also didn't practice and didn't make it very far.

First, comparing Draco and Naz is laughable, one played like 5 years ago and one practiced in a modern pro-team. I don't know when Legionnaire quit so I can't really say about that. But Draco seems to be the only one who has gotten relatively recent Korean pro-team practice (Idra not included, only a week or so).

Also your post completely ignores my point, which was that Draco actually had the most and best practice out of everyone. You are making it seem like he's some sort of prodigy for winning while not practicing when its completely expected that he wins because he's practiced the most and had the highest quality practice overall. So what if he doesn't practice that much now? He doesn't forget the things he learned in Korea.

Nobody is saying Draco isn't good, he clearly is very good. But this "no practice" thing really is made to be too much of a big deal, it doesn't mean anything because again, Draco has had much more practice than Nony, White-Ra, etc. Your two examples (only really one--Legionnaire) doesn't change anything I've said.

Everyone stop making a big deal out of this "no practice" by Draco, it's really not "no practice." It's just less practice now after much more and better practice earlier. Adding it all up Draco practiced much more and of a higher quality than all the other contestants and he should be the favorite. I'd like to reiterate that I'm more impressed with White-Ra and whoever beats Draco (if he should lose) than Draco not practicing much recently. It's not hard to regain that form when you've practiced so much and so hard with a pro-team.

So please, no more "omfg he's winning without practicing!!" because that's silly. It's like cheering a former NBA practice partner who hasn't played that much recently for beating college kids. It's not like he simply walks up after not touching the game for 6 months and wins. Draco played plenty during the ladder and the Ro32, 16, 8 to regain enough of his former pro-team heavily-practiced form. It's to be expected.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
DaveExecutor
Profile Joined June 2007
Hungary14 Posts
May 22 2008 06:30 GMT
#78
Hot Bid is total right.
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
May 22 2008 08:13 GMT
#79
Nobody cares about what Draco said - its HOW he said it.

Theres a huge difference between -

I didn't practice at all LOL but i still won
AND
I didn't have time to practice. I'm glad I was able to win.

zerg/human - vancouver, canada
Get.Midikem
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden312 Posts
May 22 2008 10:38 GMT
#80
i am rooting for brat now when all my fav gamers are out He is the only terran and the mots unknown gamer of them all!

I have a question: How much money did the people get who ended top 16? 100$??
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