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Introducing LiquidHearth.com
January 14th, 2014 19:11 GMT
liquidhearth.comToday we're ready to unveil liquidhearth.com, our standalone Hearthstone website and newest member of the TeamLiquid family. LiquidHearth will be the home for our Hearthstone community and a sister site to TeamLiquid, offering news, forums, streams, calendar, and a Liquipedia branch the same way we do here. We will be approaching the new game with the same philosophy we have on TeamLiquid, by bringing high quality news and fostering a warm and welcoming community for anyone who wants to meet and interact with other Hearthstone fans. Safe to say we're excited to be able to bring the Hearthstone section of our website to the next level and look forward to taking the trip with Hearthstone as it grows as a game and community. When Hearthstone was first announced I admit I didn't really understand the move from Blizzard. I was quick to shrug it off, thinking "huh, a cardgame from Blizzard?", and didn't think much of it for a long time. Things changed immediately once the beta came out. As keys started rolling out, and more and more of our staff and TL readers started playing Hearthstone, it became clear that it was an incredibly engaging and popular game. In fact, several members of our staff enjoyed Hearthstone so much that they wanted to do more than just play it. The same way many things develop on TL, simply with enough people showing an interest, we started fostering a Hearthstone community and developing content. Thanks to our dedicated staff, our Hearthstone forum has become an active place, full of great articles and high level discussion. With Hearthstone being so different from the established esports games, we felt it that it was appopriate to step outside of TeamLiquid.net and start a new website entirely. We made a similar move a long time ago when poker became very popular on TeamLiquid.net's forums, moving our poker content over to www.liquidpoker.net. TeamLiquid.net is intended for users heavily into esports, and there is a lot we gain from this specialization. It allows us to put an incredible amount of content on one site – forums, news, streams, calendar, wiki, etc – something that would be difficult to do if we covered a large number of games. By giving Hearthstone its own website, it lets TeamLiquid.net keep its focus on covering established esports titles like SC2/Dota2/BW. Hearthstone is better served as well, as we can give it a dedicated site that better fits its unique gameplay and community. That's not to say that Hearthstone can't be an esport on the scale of other games: there is unquestionably a deeply competitive aspect to the game which means the potential is there. By giving Hearthstone its own site, we can can do a better job helping it realize that potential. A crucial part in all of this has been monk. He previously brought us the TL Strategy section for StarCraft 2, and he has brought his passion for competition and analyzing high level play to his new post as Hearthstone head editor. He also became a world class player, who not too long ago flew to Germany to play in the ESGN Fight Night tournament. It would have been impossible to run a website like this without the right personnel, and monk makes LiquidHearth possible. You will be able to login on LiquidHearth.com with your TeamLiquid.net accounts. Functionality will largely be the same as on TL. Our moderation standards will be similar to those on TL and we hope to create a similar culture and atmosphere of a community that enjoys participating and contributing. And of course, we're confident that we'll be able to bring you the same quality of Hearthstone coverage that you've come to expect from TeamLiquid.net. Some of you might know me as that player in the blue shirt from ESGN Fight Nights. Others might know me for my Starcraft II background. Or more likely you don't know me at all, in which case you can find out more about me here. I started covering Hearthstone back in September, back when the game was still in its infancy. Slowly, I began gathering a players and writers to fill up our rather lonely Hearthstone forum. (You may know many of these player/writers as the members of the Liquid Value team today.) But as our Hearthstone staff grew in number and our articles grew more frequent, it became painfully obvious that a single Teamliquid forum could not support what we had set out to do. As much praise I got of the quality of our articles, I got an equal amount of criticism on how difficult it was to find our content. I am thus very pleased to share with you the news of this new sister site, which allows us to showcase our content to as many readers as possible. I'm excited that we can now provide our news and coverage a proper and deserving home. I'm excited that with this new site, we'll be able to grow our Hearthstone community even more. And I'm especially excited of what the future holds for both LiquidHearth and Hearthstone as a whole. Please cheer for us and in return, we'll attempt to bring you some of the best Hearthstone coverage and content you've seen yet. With the launch of the site, we will also be launching our Hearthstone wiki. As always, our goals are to focus on competitive play and archive the history of a game. We look forward to recording the history of players and events in Hearthstone as they happen. If you're interested in learning more about the game, go take a look. If you're thinking about contributing, feel more than free to take a look as well. Major thanks to all of the staff and wiki contributors that have made this possible.
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sweet!
even though i expected some "cooler" new design on a completly new page
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Germany25639 Posts
Aaaaaw yeah
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Canada13372 Posts
congrats dudes! cool to see this come out and hopefully TL can grab some more of those hearthstone lovers this way <3
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Kickass! I need to play more Hearthstone and this will encourage me greatly
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Is this the "good news" you guys tweeted about or is there more stuff incoming as well?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Katowice25012 Posts
We spent a lot of time making a place that can be the TL's Hearthstone home so I hope you all enjoy
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The new site looks neat. Alternate reality. Tan is the new blue.
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Jesus I couldn't access the forum after I posted something and thought I was banned T_T
Bookmarked, see you guys there!
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yay! hearthstone calendar!
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Nice! Super excited to see this happen! The only part I'm sad about is having to sign in twice
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A project that I can now share with people, and one less project to worry about. Wohooo!
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
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That's some Fringe-esqe colour-selection for these two TL-universes. I like it.
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Liquid'Hearth team on the horizon perhaps?
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Canada16217 Posts
very cool :D
On January 15 2014 04:24 NeThZOR wrote: Liquid'Hearth team on the horizon perhaps? Liquid'Artosis
HEHEHE
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United States23454 Posts
Yes! I am pretty gosu at Hearthstone so I'm glad Liquid is going to cover it
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Canada5154 Posts
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Liquid wishes.
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Will definitely check this out. Sick timing too, since I got access to Hearthstone this morning.
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Woot woot!!!! This is exciting! no more bookmarking random hearthstone pages so I can find them again hahaha
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Will announcements from liquidhearth appear on the headlines here too?
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So does that mean Kripparian gets a liquipedia page now? ;p
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HAHA I was wondering wher the Hearthstone forum went :S
Awesome work guys Thanks!
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Sick stuff. Good luck with this project.
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I was wondering where the HS section went, kickass.
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That's cool. Man, monk really shot up the ranks of TL very quickly. It is deserved though.
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On January 15 2014 04:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:very cool :D Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 04:24 NeThZOR wrote: Liquid'Hearth team on the horizon perhaps? Liquid'Artosis HEHEHE yes pls :3
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Yes! I really like this. I kinda figured it would be coming out soon, but with not many tournaments etc. yet, I thought that it would take a little longer than this. So well played!
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Looks great, was wondering where my subscribed thread went ^^ Is it possible to add LiquidHearth at the topline next to LiquidPoker etc? Would be imo more comfortable than having two bookmarks.
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These news prompted me to check my BNet account and it seems I got the beta XD Thx TL :D
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Insane. Teamliquid so good.
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WOW both new liquipedia and liquidhearth look really really cool!
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Awesome! Also awesome that my TL.net registration worked directly on LiquidHearth
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So 2 things:
How come on the teamliquid page here the only featured streamers are Trump and Hafu atm? But on your page you have them, plus the others that are pretty big in the community like Savjz? And then some others still missing like Reckful?
And then, thank you for keeping the qq thread... vent therapy is the best stress reliever for this game
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Germany25639 Posts
On January 15 2014 04:37 Hondelul wrote: Looks great, was wondering where my subscribed thread went ^^ Is it possible to add LiquidHearth at the topline next to LiquidPoker etc? Would be imo more comfortable than having two bookmarks.
Apparently this is happening after R1CH is done eating.
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On January 15 2014 04:49 KadaverBB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 04:37 Hondelul wrote: Looks great, was wondering where my subscribed thread went ^^ Is it possible to add LiquidHearth at the topline next to LiquidPoker etc? Would be imo more comfortable than having two bookmarks. Apparently this is happening after R1CH is done eating. even wizards need food
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So happy that TL is putting in so much work toward hearthstone Keep up the great work guys I know I'll be spending a lot of time over on liquidhearth
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On January 15 2014 04:49 KadaverBB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 04:37 Hondelul wrote: Looks great, was wondering where my subscribed thread went ^^ Is it possible to add LiquidHearth at the topline next to LiquidPoker etc? Would be imo more comfortable than having two bookmarks. Apparently this is happening after R1CH is done eating.
Will we have to go to liquidhearth to access the forums as well or can we go through TL?
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Blazinghand
United States25546 Posts
Will TL+ features carry over to LiquidHearth?
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I am very pleased. You guys just made my day a whole lot better with this news.
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My only hope is that this wasn't the "good news" that was teased along with the bad news of Zenio's retirement.
Not that it would be terrible if it was, but I was certainly hoping for something more related to the SC2 team... like perhaps a shiny new recruit.
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On January 15 2014 05:04 DinosaurJones wrote: My only hope is that this wasn't the "good news" that was teased along with the bad news of Zenio's retirement.
Not that it would be terrible if it was, but I was certainly hoping for something more related to the SC2 team... like perhaps a shiny new recruit. That comment was actually specifically related to TeamLiquidPro so this wasn't it.
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On January 15 2014 05:04 DinosaurJones wrote: My only hope is that this wasn't the "good news" that was teased along with the bad news of Zenio's retirement.
Not that it would be terrible if it was, but I was certainly hoping for something more related to the SC2 team... like perhaps a shiny new recruit. I agree, although Hearthstone awesomeness is good news for those who play it I would like my news announcements to be filtered by game. edit: well ok^
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Saw this one coming GL with your pro-hearthstone career monky
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Poland3743 Posts
I'd prefer to keep Hearthstone on TL but that's nice too!
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On January 15 2014 05:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 05:04 DinosaurJones wrote: My only hope is that this wasn't the "good news" that was teased along with the bad news of Zenio's retirement.
Not that it would be terrible if it was, but I was certainly hoping for something more related to the SC2 team... like perhaps a shiny new recruit. That comment was actually specifically related to TeamLiquidPro so this wasn't it.
Wonderful! Thank you for the clarification Cheers!
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I would have liked if it stayed on teamliquid.net( so I have to visit only one website to see everything on one page but i guess that just means teamliquid invests alot into hearthstone which is nice
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Wow, really excited about this step. Hearthstone is a really fun game and I hope it takes off. If it does, I have no doubt that LiquidHearth will be the gold-standard Hearthstone community site, with such an auspicious parent!
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Very excited! Cant wait to see a team put together hopefully if the scene becomes profitable enough.
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The little tab/bookmark icon is awesome, something similar for TL.Net would be really cool. Anyways really nice site and great job TL
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Very nice. Like the new site. A little sad I can't get my hearthstone at TL anymore, but I guess TH will be OK
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Look great. So excited to finally use it
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Weird, why not treat Hearthstone the same as Dota 2, with a sub-forum etc? Won't this splinter the community, instead of expanding it?
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It's annoying to go to another site for it now. t_t
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post count massacre, gg no re
Love the site, love the colors, love monk
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On January 15 2014 05:30 dizzy101 wrote: Weird, why not treat Hearthstone the same as Dota 2, with a sub-forum etc? Won't this splinter the community, instead of expanding it?
I'm wondering the same. Is Hearthstone not ESPORT enough?
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Holy shit, I was so scared after not seeing the Hearthstone section, lol.
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On January 15 2014 05:30 dizzy101 wrote: Weird, why not treat Hearthstone the same as Dota 2, with a sub-forum etc? Won't this splinter the community, instead of expanding it? Good point now that you mention it, wouldn't it be best to have a "sub-section" on the site for Hearthstone?
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So where's the "Liquid'Dota" site? :D
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There is so much wrong with this.
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On January 15 2014 05:43 Omnishroud wrote: There is so fucking much wrong with this. Such as?
If you have a critique, why not elaborate and help make this new project better, instead of cursing those who put time and effort into making it a reality?
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LoL.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 15 2014 05:30 dizzy101 wrote: Weird, why not treat Hearthstone the same as Dota 2, with a sub-forum etc? Won't this splinter the community, instead of expanding it? Yeah, I sort of wish this would stay on tl (although I would hardly be a hardcore member of the HS community). It's kind of nice to have stuff all in the same place.
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you can become the new cool kid on liquid hearth by getting the most posts early!
think about it it's your chance to become a forum veteran and gain the respect of your peers by having the earliest join date!
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well, personally, I don't really care, because I've stopped playing Hearthstone quite some time ago. But it's cool to see the TL brand grow. Good luck to the new site!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:43 Omnishroud wrote: There is so much wrong with this.
Okay, what?
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tbh im really disapointed that you guys didnt tried something new with design and programming
TL is seriously outdated, i can understand that the main website stays like this because to much changes would just drive the community away but why not try to make something more modern with this new website.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:35 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 05:30 dizzy101 wrote: Weird, why not treat Hearthstone the same as Dota 2, with a sub-forum etc? Won't this splinter the community, instead of expanding it? Good point now that you mention it, wouldn't it be best to have a "sub-section" on the site for Hearthstone?
This has been discussed back and forth on the staff forums a lot for a while now and I think Nazgul might be better suited to explain it in depth if he wants to, but there is a feeling (one that I share) that TL would get crowded if this one site keeps on expanding into new games and more extensive coverage of more games. People already feel that the site feels less personal and more scattered now than years ago, imagine what would happen if two new sub-sections (each with, arguably, their own sub-communities) were to appear. The site is big as it is, making it even bigger makes it overwhelming for people coming here for the first time.
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cool, but no thank you ;s
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On January 15 2014 06:01 Zealously wrote:Okay, what? League of Legends apparently:
On January 15 2014 05:54 Omnishroud wrote: LoL.
User was temp banned for this post.
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LiquidSeth back as a Heartstone progamer?
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On January 15 2014 06:04 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 05:35 WindWolf wrote:On January 15 2014 05:30 dizzy101 wrote: Weird, why not treat Hearthstone the same as Dota 2, with a sub-forum etc? Won't this splinter the community, instead of expanding it? Good point now that you mention it, wouldn't it be best to have a "sub-section" on the site for Hearthstone? This has been discussed back and forth on the staff forums a lot for a while now and I think Nazgul might be better suited to explain it in depth if he wants to, but there is a feeling (one that I share) that TL would get crowded if this one site keeps on expanding into new games and more extensive coverage of more games. People already feel that the site feels less personal and more scattered now than years ago, imagine what would happen if two new sub-sections (each with, arguably, their own sub-communities) were to appear. The site is big as it is, making it even bigger makes it overwhelming for people coming here for the first time. That's a good point. I think one concern is that you might lose a lot of the interaction that happens between communities if one group goes off to the hearthstone site and the other group stays. People for whom TL is more social might find their friends have left.
Either way, congrats on launching a site. It's a lot of work, I hope it's a success.
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Really awesome work. Thank you to everyone that made this happen! I have to admit that I've definitely been spending more time watching and playing Hearthstone than BW, SC2, or Dota over the past few months, so it's nice to have a lot more content to browse than just one disorganized subforum. I know there are a lot of other Hearthstone sites out there, but I'm kind of a creature of habit and still gravitated to TL the most. Though having everything consolidated here would be convenient in some ways, overall I agree with the move to spin the HS coverage off as a whole new site. I still love TL, but design-wise it's on the verge of feeling to cluttered as is.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Is hearthstone actually that big to warrant a sister site? The more you know...
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 06:23 amazingxkcd wrote: Is hearthstone actually that big to warrant a sister site? The more you know...
It's big with the staff, which is almost (well, half of it anyway) all it takes.
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I understand the reasons for the split, but I still think it is a bit sad.
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I pressed f5 and the page turned red, quiet a shocker lol.
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On January 15 2014 06:29 grs wrote: I understand the reasons for the split, but I still think it is a bit sad. Definitely, can't see myself visit that site often right now. Was reading the Hearthstone forum from time to time though, which is now gone.
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On January 15 2014 06:04 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 05:35 WindWolf wrote:On January 15 2014 05:30 dizzy101 wrote: Weird, why not treat Hearthstone the same as Dota 2, with a sub-forum etc? Won't this splinter the community, instead of expanding it? Good point now that you mention it, wouldn't it be best to have a "sub-section" on the site for Hearthstone? This has been discussed back and forth on the staff forums a lot for a while now and I think Nazgul might be better suited to explain it in depth if he wants to, but there is a feeling (one that I share) that TL would get crowded if this one site keeps on expanding into new games and more extensive coverage of more games. People already feel that the site feels less personal and more scattered now than years ago, imagine what would happen if two new sub-sections (each with, arguably, their own sub-communities) were to appear. The site is big as it is, making it even bigger makes it overwhelming for people coming here for the first time. I can understand that reasoning but I don't agree.
One thing I've always liked about TL.net is that it has been a place that ties various communities together (to some extent). Now I'm fearing that it this will cause more fractures in the community
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Katowice25012 Posts
Another reason for the decision to split the site off (in addition to the overcrowding issue Zealously mentioned, which is a real concern) is that while there is some overlap in Hearthstone and BW/SC2/Dota there isn't that much. Of the game we currently have on our website, Hearthstone would very much be the odd child out, as it doesn't have the kind of deep established roots in competition the same way BW/SC2/Dota do - Nazgul sort of alludes to this sentiment in his statement. When you combine the two factors of difficulty to fit on the website, along with fact that it doesn't have as snug a fit with our current games it makes it much more attractive to custom tailor a site specifically for Hearthstone needs.
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TL doesn't want all their eggs in one basket. Especially not that basket.
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Very awesome! Will my TL+ carry-over to LiquidHearth?
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Hearthstone is still in beta and at the very least this is a good experiment. I doubt admins will revert if the site doesn't go well but oh well.
Let's try it out.
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At first I thought they recruited the terran player Heart ^^
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On January 15 2014 06:51 Heyoka wrote: Another reason for the decision to split the site off (in addition to the overcrowding issue Zealously mentioned, which is a real concern) is that while there is some overlap in Hearthstone and BW/SC2/Dota there isn't that much. Of the game we currently have on our website, Hearthstone would very much be the odd child out, as it doesn't have the kind of deep established roots in competition the same way BW/SC2/Dota do - Nazgul sort of alludes to this sentiment in his statement. When you combine the two factors of difficulty to fit on the website, along with fact that it doesn't have as snug a fit with our current games it makes it much more attractive to custom tailor a site specifically for Hearthstone needs. Are you suggesting that we will be seeing LiquidDiablo sometime in the near future.... #ohwait
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On January 15 2014 06:51 Heyoka wrote: Another reason for the decision to split the site off (in addition to the overcrowding issue Zealously mentioned, which is a real concern) is that while there is some overlap in Hearthstone and BW/SC2/Dota there isn't that much. Of the game we currently have on our website, Hearthstone would very much be the odd child out, as it doesn't have the kind of deep established roots in competition the same way BW/SC2/Dota do - Nazgul sort of alludes to this sentiment in his statement. When you combine the two factors of difficulty to fit on the website, along with fact that it doesn't have as snug a fit with our current games it makes it much more attractive to custom tailor a site specifically for Hearthstone needs. To this I have to ask, is Hearthstone big enough to require a site of its own? I mean, it has only 6 subforums pertaining to hearthstone, and one of them is streams.
While I can see the dichotomy between RTS games and card games, was splitting the site a necessity? Rather, if worried about overcrowding, why make such a narrowly focused site? The name itself is limiting the site to only hearthstone.
I'm not against the site per se, but the concept of teamliquid dividing itself into separate specialty forums is bothersome. We already have a filter system to make the site cater more to what you want to follow.
I also have some questions about the new site. Does this mean that teamliquid has a future invested in Hearthstone? Does this also mean that we should expect more expansion from teamliquid?
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LiquidHearth, might turn out as a good thing to have for Team Liquid.
Would love a proper iOS Teamliquid app way more though.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
definitely looks better than liquid poker liquid poker looks so old
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Why? Why not just have one website.
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I really do not enjoy the game at all, but best of luck for the new site!
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On January 15 2014 08:43 jcroisdale wrote: Why? Why not just have one website. you can think of it as just 1 website with different game selections like how if you look at the top right u can just go on LiquidHearth from there same with everyone else.
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i guess this is just additional info for the Liquidhearth managers so that full credit for the banner art could be displayed, the specific Blizzard artist who did the Hearthstone main art as well as the side art spliced in that's used for the header is L.D. Austin.
I got to meet her and John Polidora at Spectrum last May, they're both artists on the C-dev team at Blizzard (which means they do art for all the franchises).
source: + Show Spoiler +
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On January 15 2014 08:36 Targe wrote: definitely looks better than liquid poker liquid poker looks so old fuck me i forgot liquidpoker even existed
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I haven't taken an interest in the game, but the new website looks pretty neat (and awfully familiar ). gj guys
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On January 15 2014 06:07 Cokefreak wrote: League of Legends apparently:
Well, Team Liquid did get rid of its LOL forums. They used to have a reasonably active sub-forum.
In fact, this afternoon I noticed 200k+ viewers on some LOL stream, and tried to find out what event it was by checking TL's LOL forum, and it was GONE.
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On January 15 2014 09:33 dizzy101 wrote:Well, Team Liquid did get rid of its LOL forums. They used to have a reasonably active sub-forum. In fact, this afternoon I noticed 200k+ viewers on some LOL stream, and tried to find out what event it was by checking TL's LOL forum, and it was GONE. The LoL forum isn't gone? There is a possibility it just got removed from your sidebar. Go to settings and check if it's activated.
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great news, but now it occupies 2 bookmark spaces
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Blazinghand
United States25546 Posts
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Nice! I haven't touched hearthstone myself but I've been itching to try it myself after hearing some good things about it. Will definitely take a look at it once it's out of beta or if I just end up getting a key somehow.
Interesting how you guys made it a whole new site on its' own. When TL started its dota 2 coverage, dota 2 just became a part of this site here. I'm curious as to why hearthstone didn't get the same treatment? Is it just that you're expecting a bigger turnout for heathstone? Or just trying to become the premier hearthstone site on the web which couldnt really be done for dota 2? simply a bit curious
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Hell yeah! This is way better than either iHeathU or HearthPwn. Unbookmarked those, now that I have this baby.
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On January 15 2014 09:47 shizaep wrote: Nice! I haven't touched hearthstone myself but I've been itching to try it myself after hearing some good things about it. Will definitely take a look at it once it's out of beta or if I just end up getting a key somehow.
Interesting how you guys made it a whole new site on its' own. When TL started its dota 2 coverage, dota 2 just became a part of this site here. I'm curious as to why hearthstone didn't get the same treatment? Is it just that you're expecting a bigger turnout for heathstone? Or just trying to become the premier hearthstone site on the web which couldnt really be done for dota 2? simply a bit curious This was addressed earlier by Heyoka and Zealously.
On January 15 2014 06:51 Heyoka wrote: Another reason for the decision to split the site off (in addition to the overcrowding issue Zealously mentioned, which is a real concern) is that while there is some overlap in Hearthstone and BW/SC2/Dota there isn't that much. Of the game we currently have on our website, Hearthstone would very much be the odd child out, as it doesn't have the kind of deep established roots in competition the same way BW/SC2/Dota do - Nazgul sort of alludes to this sentiment in his statement. When you combine the two factors of difficulty to fit on the website, along with fact that it doesn't have as snug a fit with our current games it makes it much more attractive to custom tailor a site specifically for Hearthstone needs.
On January 15 2014 06:04 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 05:35 WindWolf wrote:On January 15 2014 05:30 dizzy101 wrote: Weird, why not treat Hearthstone the same as Dota 2, with a sub-forum etc? Won't this splinter the community, instead of expanding it? Good point now that you mention it, wouldn't it be best to have a "sub-section" on the site for Hearthstone? This has been discussed back and forth on the staff forums a lot for a while now and I think Nazgul might be better suited to explain it in depth if he wants to, but there is a feeling (one that I share) that TL would get crowded if this one site keeps on expanding into new games and more extensive coverage of more games. People already feel that the site feels less personal and more scattered now than years ago, imagine what would happen if two new sub-sections (each with, arguably, their own sub-communities) were to appear. The site is big as it is, making it even bigger makes it overwhelming for people coming here for the first time.
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The interface is catchy! I hope the main TL website would also have the teamliquidpro skin.
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The only minus I see for TL is that Hearthstone-related sites attract many newcomers who haven't heard of TeamLiquid or the starcraft community and LiquidHearth only links to TL in a very discreet way that would probably be overlooked by majority of such HS players. Thus the TL general community may miss some participants who shall remain within LiquidHearth.
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I have no real interest in the game, but I wish the site good luck!
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Finally there's a site for Thorin to get all the Hearthstone info and news he's been craving.
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I posted on the hearth site itself and go no response, just wanted to clarify if anyone could. Will there be anti-spoilers on this site as well? First thing I see if "artosis d1 esgn fight night week 2 winner interview." :/
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good call, hearthstone is going to be big.
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It's a nice site, but I was really hoping that I wouldn't have to go to a different site for hearthstone news. Ah well. One more tab to open.
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On January 15 2014 12:58 rrwrwx wrote: It's a nice site, but I was really hoping that I wouldn't have to go to a different site for hearthstone news. Ah well. One more tab to open. You can just switch tabs on the top right of teamliquid
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Really awesome! Since I haven't been following SC2 much lately I've been too lazy to actually contribute to liquipedia, but maybe I can grind my way up to a gold coin with the Hearthstone Wiki!
PS: If only LiquidPoker changed to look like the HS site, I love the look of it :D!
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as long as it isnt league of legends im fine with it. gl
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just went on to the site ( couldn't be bother on my phone at work.) really nice job guys never actually played it so was just kinda wondering around clicking on things and reading random stuff. was interesting
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This is not going to work.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 15:18 9-BiT wrote: This is not going to work. Thank you for the in-depth analysis!
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K so when can we expect Nada body pics pop-up when we hover over his tlpd entry? Or is there a secret rhythm we need to hover in to active that?
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Really cool initiative guys! Looking forward to following the HS scene with TL.
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So excited I already edited a part of the warrior page <3
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On January 15 2014 15:31 Zealously wrote:Thank you for the in-depth analysis! Don't you mention in depth analysis around me when you convinced me to put roro on my anti.
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Sort of split over this. While I feel hearthstone isn't close to big enough to warrant a sister-site, nor do I feel it's competitive and deep enough to warrant a TL site, I think it's good that TL splits up before going too big. In a sense, I feel a LiquidDota.com site would have been motivated, if it's motivated for hearthstone (then again, if there was a liquiddota site, I sort of doubt I would go to teamliquid.net at all anymore, and I still read blogs, general forum and other games forum a lot but haven't been in an SC2 subforum for ages).
I mean, when TL released the Dota part of the website, I was in a mean way enjoying that Dota 2 got cred as a competitive esport in a way LoL didn't because LoL didn't get it's own part of TL, I felt TL was being picky in a good way about what they wanted to cover. But now that Hearthstone is getting its own site, one has to wonder, since I certainly find LoL far more competitive than Hearthstone which is a really casual game.
Who knows how it develops though, will certainly spend some time on liquidhearth to see what's going down.
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It's a real shame to split the community like this. I spent a little time on the Hearthstone threads on TL but now I have to go to a completely different site, I don't see myself doing that at all. It looks nice but it's a real sham to cut it off from everything else.
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
I think splitting off into a new site makes perfect sense. And it's good for hearthstone because they don't appear to really have much of a site like TL. Sure they have a couple of websites that have popped up but they are all personality/content driven and not so much community driven. And this should make people less angry than when Dota was added because it's not in the same news feed.
I won't personally be using it until several expansions have been released however, as to be honest I feel it's a bit shallow. Not from an 'esports perspective', but even from a casual perspective, it got old pretty fast. Maybe I'm difficult to please, but I don't understand how people who got it when it first came out in closed beta are still interested in playing it. But that's neither here nor there, the game has potential.
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Thrilled to see TL covering Hearthstone! The new site looks great and I'm happy to have it.
That being said, as a heavy TL user(and occasional poster) I don't like the fact that liquidhearth is a separate site. I really like having TL as my main source for SC2 and Dota, and TL having a second site for Hearthstone just means I'll have two ESPORTS tabs open instead of one.
However, I can accept the idea that folks like Nazgul know better than me. Either way, I really hope that liquidhearth succeeds and I'll be checking it regularly(but make sure to add TL+ integration: I feel guilty blocking TL adds but banner adds that have movement are a no-go for me).
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On January 15 2014 09:34 TheEmulator wrote: The LoL forum isn't gone? There is a possibility it just got removed from your sidebar. Go to settings and check if it's activated.
Hmm, now I see that it's there. Goes to show, the forum navigation on TL is not intuitive at all.
The filter-options make finding the right forum even harder. Too many bells and whistles.
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I guess the overcrowding issue is legitimate because I look at about 2 vertical screens of sidebar because I have dota, SC2 and LoL activated. One thing I would like to see is something like an affiliate site link somewhere on TL itself. I really do like hearthstone, but I also frequent TL lol and look at bits and pieces of other forums that catch my eye. I like the ability to just scroll down and see if any threads get bumped, or if anything new I haven't seen happens.
I would hate if TL fragmented any further though, because in all honesty, I like the one big mess that is the TL sidebar with 2 screens of stuff to scan.
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Wow, I mean that was unexcepted. But seriously, does it really requiere a dedicated site for it? I know that Hearthstone is very popular, but why not integrate it like Dota2.
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And as someone else mentioned, why didn't Dota2 also get it's own TL site?
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Although I agree in principle with the split it feels awkward to have them as two totally different sites. Has it been discussed to set TeamLiquid up more as the Liquipedia portal?
If you go to the Liquipedia portal you then have to choose for the specific Liquipedia you want to go to (SC/SC2/Dota/HS). Isn't it possible to do the same for TeamLiquid to have a portal where you have to choose between. - RTS (where you have SC/SC2 coverage and all relevant fora) - MOBA (where you have Dota2 coverage and all relevant fora and the LoL forum) - Cardgames (where you have HearthStone coverage and all relevant fora) - TeamLiquid Pro (with everything related to the Pro teams) This also makes it easier if TL want's to expand their coverage to shooters/fightgames or other games in the current genres.
Or even better a shared mainpage with only general news, blogs and the community fora and a big button that leads you to a separate section with the fora and news for that specific game genre. This imo would keep the site more coherent and maintains a solid feeling of togetherness while still separating the genres enough to avoid the clutter of everything on the same site.
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On January 15 2014 20:31 Golden Ghost wrote: Although I agree in principle with the split it feels awkward to have them as two totally different sites. Has it been discussed to set TeamLiquid up more as the Liquipedia portal?
If you go to the Liquipedia portal you then have to choose for the specific Liquipedia you want to go to (SC/SC2/Dota/HS). Isn't it possible to do the same for TeamLiquid to have a portal where you have to choose between. - RTS (where you have SC/SC2 coverage and all relevant fora) - MOBA (where you have Dota2 coverage and all relevant fora and the LoL forum) - Cardgames (where you have HearthStone coverage and all relevant fora) - TeamLiquid Pro (with everything related to the Pro teams) This also makes it easier if TL want's to expand their coverage to shooters/fightgames or other games in the current genres.
Or even better a shared mainpage with only general news, blogs and the community fora and a big button that leads you to a separate section with the fora and news for that specific game genre. This imo would keep the site more coherent and maintains a solid feeling of togetherness while still separating the genres enough to avoid the clutter of everything on the same site. One problem with that is there are people like me(and numerous others) who follow more than one game. I like being able to skim down one gigantic sidebar and see a ton of relevant and not-so-relevant content.
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I am so honored to be a part of the creation of this :D
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On January 15 2014 20:41 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 20:31 Golden Ghost wrote: Although I agree in principle with the split it feels awkward to have them as two totally different sites. Has it been discussed to set TeamLiquid up more as the Liquipedia portal?
If you go to the Liquipedia portal you then have to choose for the specific Liquipedia you want to go to (SC/SC2/Dota/HS). Isn't it possible to do the same for TeamLiquid to have a portal where you have to choose between. - RTS (where you have SC/SC2 coverage and all relevant fora) - MOBA (where you have Dota2 coverage and all relevant fora and the LoL forum) - Cardgames (where you have HearthStone coverage and all relevant fora) - TeamLiquid Pro (with everything related to the Pro teams) This also makes it easier if TL want's to expand their coverage to shooters/fightgames or other games in the current genres.
Or even better a shared mainpage with only general news, blogs and the community fora and a big button that leads you to a separate section with the fora and news for that specific game genre. This imo would keep the site more coherent and maintains a solid feeling of togetherness while still separating the genres enough to avoid the clutter of everything on the same site. One problem with that is there are people like me(and numerous others) who follow more than one game. I like being able to skim down one gigantic sidebar and see a ton of relevant and not-so-relevant content. Exactly also why I think that TL should make HS a part of TLnet instead of having it's own site
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Osaka26954 Posts
As evidenced by TLPro.com. Jack of all trades, master of none.
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I wish you would have done this with dota 2 too.
Anyways, good job!
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HS is a cool game and this is a cool move from TL. I am quite confused by some people who said that why don't Dota get the same treatment. Why it has to?
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I sincerely love and adore everything about the teamliquid.net and liquidhearth.com website layouts.
Could you guys make a similar website strictly dedicated to league of legends? It's so difficult to just get all the simple information pulled together that one is looking for.
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On January 15 2014 22:15 n0ise wrote:noooo why did you remove the link to www.teamliquid.net from the topmenubar You can click the banner or "home"-button for the same effect. I guess so it doesn't get to clustered up there and not too much redundancy.
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Sounds cool. When will liquidleague be out ? All the korean esport scene is focused on the game (hell, most coaches/casters are ex bw or sc2 pros). Sounds strange for a website which started by covering mostly ongamenet/mbc content to not be covering league officially. With Kespa starting a 16 team LoL proleague and Ongamenet broadcasting almost only LoL I'm not sure why our bw-veteran staff aren't taking a look at it.
And yes I know about the non-official writers and the LoL subforum, I'm sure you got my point, something is missing .
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Cool site, dislike the idea. I like to have everything on one site rather than having to have to jump between pages.
The same way you've handled DOTA. Subforum etc.
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On January 15 2014 23:47 TOCHMY wrote: Cool site, dislike the idea. I like to have everything on one site rather than having to have to jump between pages.
The same way you've handled DOTA. Subforum etc.
Did you read the motivation for a different site?
OT: Great idea! And although some don't like the design, the plus is that everyone gets up and running straight away.
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Why is the site on a different domain though. You could call it hearth.teamliquid.net
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On January 15 2014 20:41 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 20:31 Golden Ghost wrote: Although I agree in principle with the split it feels awkward to have them as two totally different sites. Has it been discussed to set TeamLiquid up more as the Liquipedia portal?
If you go to the Liquipedia portal you then have to choose for the specific Liquipedia you want to go to (SC/SC2/Dota/HS). Isn't it possible to do the same for TeamLiquid to have a portal where you have to choose between. - RTS (where you have SC/SC2 coverage and all relevant fora) - MOBA (where you have Dota2 coverage and all relevant fora and the LoL forum) - Cardgames (where you have HearthStone coverage and all relevant fora) - TeamLiquid Pro (with everything related to the Pro teams) This also makes it easier if TL want's to expand their coverage to shooters/fightgames or other games in the current genres.
Or even better a shared mainpage with only general news, blogs and the community fora and a big button that leads you to a separate section with the fora and news for that specific game genre. This imo would keep the site more coherent and maintains a solid feeling of togetherness while still separating the genres enough to avoid the clutter of everything on the same site. One problem with that is there are people like me(and numerous others) who follow more than one game. I like being able to skim down one gigantic sidebar and see a ton of relevant and not-so-relevant content. I also do that and currently that's not a problem but imagine doing it when TL reports on 20 games
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I don't get why team liquid fanboys every game blizzard makes, /shrug. Well I hope the people who like Hearthstone enjoy their new website, looks nifty.
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On January 16 2014 02:03 TanKLoveR wrote: I don't get why team liquid fanboys every game blizzard makes, /shrug. Well I hope the people who like Hearthstone enjoy their new website, looks nifty. Because blizzard make great games?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 16 2014 02:03 TanKLoveR wrote: I don't get why team liquid fanboys every game blizzard makes, /shrug. Well I hope the people who like Hearthstone enjoy their new website, looks nifty. TIL Dota2 was made by Blizzard
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On January 16 2014 02:10 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 02:03 TanKLoveR wrote: I don't get why team liquid fanboys every game blizzard makes, /shrug. Well I hope the people who like Hearthstone enjoy their new website, looks nifty. Because blizzard make great games? You can't be serious? I really hope TL is getting money for this, or at least free trips and presents.
I can easily block things that I don't like on the site (SC2/LOL) so Blizzard putting money into the TL pocket for things I don't want to know about isn't a big deal, it just means more money flowing into dota and BW sections. Though what bothers me is that every time any anti-Blizzard talk comes up or you don't bow down to the overlords in Irvine mods delete the thread, no matter how reasonable the argument.
Edit: Now that I think about it, its better that future games take the Liquid Poker route. You don't have to look at it everyday but when you want to found out something about poker you know where it is.
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Great pickup from TeamLiquid, the game is absolutely awesome and actually draws you in a bit, but the games real force for me is in the fact that you can casually pick it up and play it for 10-30 minutes and then leave it again. Just kill some time. Having played WoW and Warcraft 3 I also relate a lot to the cards and makes it appeal more to me. However, i'm not playing it that much, which is mostly cause I love Path of Exile damn much and its really got its claws on me atm! :D
I hope you have great success with Hearthstone
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 16 2014 04:35 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 02:10 TOCHMY wrote:On January 16 2014 02:03 TanKLoveR wrote: I don't get why team liquid fanboys every game blizzard makes, /shrug. Well I hope the people who like Hearthstone enjoy their new website, looks nifty. Because blizzard make great games? You can't be serious? I really hope TL is getting money for this, or at least free trips and presents. I can easily block things that I don't like on the site (SC2/LOL) so Blizzard putting money into the TL pocket for things I don't want to know about isn't a big deal, it just means more money flowing into dota and BW sections. Though what bothers me is that every time any anti-Blizzard talk comes up or you don't bow down to the overlords in Irvine mods delete the thread, no matter how reasonable the argument.
You don't seem to understand that most of TL is passion-driven. HS is a passion project (with potential monetary gains of course), not a byproduct of some imaginary Blizzard worshipping bullshit
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Blazinghand
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On January 16 2014 04:45 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 04:35 zeo wrote:On January 16 2014 02:10 TOCHMY wrote:On January 16 2014 02:03 TanKLoveR wrote: I don't get why team liquid fanboys every game blizzard makes, /shrug. Well I hope the people who like Hearthstone enjoy their new website, looks nifty. Because blizzard make great games? You can't be serious? I really hope TL is getting money for this, or at least free trips and presents. I can easily block things that I don't like on the site (SC2/LOL) so Blizzard putting money into the TL pocket for things I don't want to know about isn't a big deal, it just means more money flowing into dota and BW sections. Though what bothers me is that every time any anti-Blizzard talk comes up or you don't bow down to the overlords in Irvine mods delete the thread, no matter how reasonable the argument. You don't seem to understand that most of TL is passion-driven. HS is a passion project (with potential monetary gains of course), not a byproduct of some imaginary Blizzard worshipping bullshit
yeah i know that at least for me, if hearthstone were the same but made by a different company that wouldn't discourage me from playing it at all. I think the game is pretty sweet!
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When liquid'league of legends :D
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I was wondering where the HS forum went.
this is cool! I'll be there all the time
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Not seeing any good reasons why TL removed the subforum links from the left nav bar and is not including hearthstone streamers in the right nav bar. Please update parity instead of trying to promote a separate subdomain. The better forum organization is good though (and the updated streamer list).
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great to see liquid expand! congratz team
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On January 16 2014 04:35 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 02:10 TOCHMY wrote:On January 16 2014 02:03 TanKLoveR wrote: I don't get why team liquid fanboys every game blizzard makes, /shrug. Well I hope the people who like Hearthstone enjoy their new website, looks nifty. Because blizzard make great games? You can't be serious? I really hope TL is getting money for this, or at least free trips and presents. I can easily block things that I don't like on the site (SC2/LOL) so Blizzard putting money into the TL pocket for things I don't want to know about isn't a big deal, it just means more money flowing into dota and BW sections. Though what bothers me is that every time any anti-Blizzard talk comes up or you don't bow down to the overlords in Irvine mods delete the thread, no matter how reasonable the argument. Edit: Now that I think about it, its better that future games take the Liquid Poker route. You don't have to look at it everyday but when you want to found out something about poker you know where it is.
Sry but I block Dota2 too. I thought it is terrible. I don't give a fuck about Dota and LoL too when they got places in TL but I didn't act like a child and complain about it. Not a lot of people are obsessed with this anti blizzard BS.
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Cool When can we expect LiquidFPS.com? :D
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can i use my TL account on liquidhearth ? or do i have to create another account for it ?
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On January 16 2014 15:23 goody153 wrote: can i use my TL account on liquidhearth ? or do i have to create another account for it ?
The accounts transferred over. Just sign in using your TL username and PW. Post count resets though, and a few other things will be different.
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Yay! Let's dilute TL.net even further!
I don't think this is such a great idea. But I'm not a fan of having so many subforums for various games here either (and the fact that I can't throw some of them out of the sidebar).
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On January 16 2014 15:26 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 15:23 goody153 wrote: can i use my TL account on liquidhearth ? or do i have to create another account for it ?
The accounts transferred over. Just sign in using your TL username and PW. Post count resets though, and a few other things will be different. oh pretty cool :D
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i read LiquidEarth, i was like what april's fools is this
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Very cool. I guess I'll have to check the game out now!
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Color scheme looks horrible. Good to see you're finally betting on a winning horse after the dota2 debacle though.
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Lalalaland34456 Posts
On January 17 2014 02:50 Thrill wrote: Color scheme looks horrible. Good to see you're finally betting on a winning horse after the dota2 debacle though. Wait how is Dota 2 a debacle?
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
its obviously a dying game with no real competitive community!
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RIP hearthstone dead gaem.
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Ugh. The fact that Hearthstone is no longer featured on TL.net under streams is a terrible decision.
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frustrating.
I wish it had stayed on the same site.
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Yay, casual games...
Anyway, any way to remove the link which is in the section of "Other Games"?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 17 2014 14:54 Avs wrote: Ugh. The fact that Hearthstone is no longer featured on TL.net under streams is a terrible decision.
It isn't?
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On January 16 2014 04:12 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 02:03 TanKLoveR wrote: I don't get why team liquid fanboys every game blizzard makes, /shrug. Well I hope the people who like Hearthstone enjoy their new website, looks nifty. TIL Dota2 was made by Blizzard Uhm I'm sorry, did you read "Why does team liquid fanboys and only support blizzard games"?. Because that's not what I said . Just commenting on how there's always a big reaction from TL when a new Blizz game comes out, not saying it's a BAD thing, just thought it was curious. This does not imply that Dota 2 is made by Blizz though I'm glad they support it as well, your comment is sort of out of place.
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Still confused why this isn't on a subdomain like hearth.teamliquid.com.
Switching between subreddits on reddit is seamless. Here it seems like a hassle. Perhaps TL infrastructure too legacy to continue supporting?
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Making a new webpage for this seems weird. Does this mean I have to switch between sites to see who is streaming Hearthstone and SC2?
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On January 18 2014 09:01 TanKLoveR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 04:12 Zealously wrote:On January 16 2014 02:03 TanKLoveR wrote: I don't get why team liquid fanboys every game blizzard makes, /shrug. Well I hope the people who like Hearthstone enjoy their new website, looks nifty. TIL Dota2 was made by Blizzard Uhm I'm sorry, did you read "Why does team liquid fanboys and only support blizzard games"?. Because that's not what I said . Just commenting on how there's always a big reaction from TL when a new Blizz game comes out, not saying it's a BAD thing, just thought it was curious. This does not imply that Dota 2 is made by Blizz though I'm glad they support it as well, your comment is sort of out of place.
The OP addresses exactly why TL is having this reaction. It is a game that is growing to be more popular than anyone thought it would be, and there seems to be a deep metagame that could lead to a high quality competitive scene. I've only seen TL this involved in BW, SC2, and Hearthstone so far (and perhaps WC3 if you count that, way back when), which is hardly every blizzard game. If the argument was about why are they doing this for Hearth and not something like LoL, which could definitely deserve its own site too, I would understand. Though as the point stands, it just feels like your comment is sort of out of place.
On January 18 2014 17:18 chaos021 wrote: Making a new webpage for this seems weird. Does this mean I have to switch between sites to see who is streaming Hearthstone and SC2?
I still see Hearthstone and SC2 streams on teamliquid.net, so no.
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