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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
July 17 2013 03:54 GMT
#21
On July 17 2013 12:33 CyanideXN wrote:
I hope Rain and Fantasy give us some good games even though it doesn't matter for Fantasy.

But yeah, this is why double elimination is superior to round robin/swiss style. Remember Naniwa 7 probe rushing Nestea?


Round robin makes more sense for things like football where goal difference is used for tie breakers. Even using map score for tie breakers in SC2 doesn't make a lot of sense.
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CyanideXN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States15 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 03:58:47
July 17 2013 03:58 GMT
#22
On July 17 2013 12:54 painkilla wrote:
Round robin makes more sense for things like football where goal difference is used for tie breakers. Even using map score for tie breakers in SC2 doesn't make a lot of sense.

On July 17 2013 12:33 CyanideXN wrote:
I hope Rain and Fantasy give us some good games even though it doesn't matter for Fantasy.

But yeah, this is why double elimination is superior to round robin/swiss style in sc2. Remember Naniwa 7 probe rushing Nestea?

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VKCA
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada391 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 04:04:40
July 17 2013 04:00 GMT
#23
Meanwhile in Group C, the red hot LG-IM_First showed that PvZ might be his Achilles' heel

Uhhh are you insane? Did you miss the part where first FUCKING DISMANTLED roro and leenock (both of whom have 60% + winrates in zvp) in the round of 32?
Just because he was stupid enough to nexus first against a well known cheeser doesn't mean his pvz is bad... the way you guys write sometimes is really fucking stupid.
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
July 17 2013 04:42 GMT
#24
On July 17 2013 09:13 RHoudini wrote:
Giving a win to a team mate is not "match fixing" - the team interest overrides the individual interest.
I'm looking forward to FanTaSy's very professional way to lose :-).

P.S. OSL is retarded to have created this situation.


Um, this is not a team league. You're suppose to be playing for yourself. Letting someone else win is match fixing, no matter whose team they are on.
Left hand
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland133 Posts
July 17 2013 04:59 GMT
#25
They should just stick everyone in a massive 100 player group and play 2x Round Robin with a home and an away game for every matchup. The winner is the one with the most points, no playoffs because what if someone get's a lucky bracket? That's unfair. Clearly this is the only way to get proper results.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 17 2013 05:28 GMT
#26
On July 17 2013 07:47 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:37 Paragleiber wrote:
So in case of a tie the 3 players will play each other again even though they already did and the tie could be solved by applying the (exact) results of these matches? That seems really stupid.

Hyvaa - First 2:0
First - Rain 2:0
Rain - Hyvaa 2:1

That would mean Hyvaa 1st, First 2nd in other tournaments without additional games needed. I don't know why they don't do it the same way here.

They also failed to do team kill matches first, and they don't use mapscores as tiebreakers. This format could use some work, if they fixed those 3 issues then I think it'd be great.



this is OSL. you won't get past those bw hipsters that played this format before it was.. well, uncool.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
July 17 2013 05:38 GMT
#27
On July 17 2013 14:28 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:47 Die4Ever wrote:
On July 17 2013 07:37 Paragleiber wrote:
So in case of a tie the 3 players will play each other again even though they already did and the tie could be solved by applying the (exact) results of these matches? That seems really stupid.

Hyvaa - First 2:0
First - Rain 2:0
Rain - Hyvaa 2:1

That would mean Hyvaa 1st, First 2nd in other tournaments without additional games needed. I don't know why they don't do it the same way here.

They also failed to do team kill matches first, and they don't use mapscores as tiebreakers. This format could use some work, if they fixed those 3 issues then I think it'd be great.



this is OSL. you won't get past those bw hipsters that played this format before it was.. well, uncool.

Did they not do teamkill matches first even in BW? I imagine they did teamkill matches first in BW otherwise people would've complained and they would've figured that out by now cause it's pretty simple to fix.
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shashk0
Profile Joined May 2013
3 Posts
July 17 2013 05:47 GMT
#28
Why did they even bother to count the 2-1 or 2-0 games when even if you win two games by 2-0 and loose one game 1-2 you still will be even with a guy who wins two games 2-1 and looses one game 0-2? That's just stupid imo.
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Evenshade
Profile Joined July 2013
131 Posts
July 17 2013 06:17 GMT
#29
On July 17 2013 14:47 shashk0 wrote:
Why did they even bother to count the 2-1 or 2-0 games when even if you win two games by 2-0 and loose one game 1-2 you still will be even with a guy who wins two games 2-1 and looses one game 0-2? That's just stupid imo.

This is the definition of "trying to find something to bitch about", just because you don't like the format.
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
July 17 2013 07:57 GMT
#30
On July 17 2013 14:47 shashk0 wrote:
Why did they even bother to count the 2-1 or 2-0 games when even if you win two games by 2-0 and loose one game 1-2 you still will be even with a guy who wins two games 2-1 and looses one game 0-2? That's just stupid imo.


you get that problem with GomTV's double elimination format as well. You could win 2-0 in the first set, and lose 2-1 in the second set, but because of the format, get screwed over, despite the score being 3-2 to you overall.

The way to fix it is to have extended series, but people bitch about extended series these days, so it's lose-lose w.e format you go with.
BoYoB
Profile Joined March 2011
France83 Posts
July 17 2013 09:13 GMT
#31
I agree with all the statements above, and would like to add that this idea of playing different groups the same day and to spread all the matches of a group on a 16 days period makes the whole thing really uncomfortable to follow.
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 10:29:08
July 17 2013 10:26 GMT
#32
On July 17 2013 08:08 Apoteosis wrote:
OSL format sucks.

First, RO32 in bo1 format.
Second, this bizarre tiebreak rule.
Third, no teamkill first.

Really?
You think its better when a toruney organizer says:
"I don´t trust you and your professionalism" to the players?
Please, these guys are professional and know what is when a match is fixed.
I think all this suspicion here, tell me more about this community, not OSL.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
July 17 2013 10:58 GMT
#33
On July 17 2013 18:13 BoYoB wrote:
I agree with all the statements above, and would like to add that this idea of playing different groups the same day and to spread all the matches of a group on a 16 days period makes the whole thing really uncomfortable to follow.

I agree. I hope Blizzard will step in eventually and make everyone adopt the same proven format finally, if not at least to save us from meaningless matches.
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 17 2013 12:49 GMT
#34
hyvaa get out of my OSL.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 17 2013 14:57 GMT
#35
On July 17 2013 15:17 Evenshade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 14:47 shashk0 wrote:
Why did they even bother to count the 2-1 or 2-0 games when even if you win two games by 2-0 and loose one game 1-2 you still will be even with a guy who wins two games 2-1 and looses one game 0-2? That's just stupid imo.

This is the definition of "trying to find something to bitch about", just because you don't like the format.


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CYfiri
Profile Joined February 2013
Sweden25 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 16:08:55
July 17 2013 16:07 GMT
#36
On July 17 2013 09:13 RHoudini wrote:
Giving a win to a team mate is not "match fixing" - the team interest overrides the individual interest.
I'm looking forward to FanTaSy's very professional way to lose :-).

P.S. OSL is retarded to have created this situation.

I hope you are kidding, That is as much max fixing as anything else since you completly destroy the tournaments legitimacy for the rest of the rounds. Not to mention people place real money on this events in betting expecting legit playing. Giving a win is never legitimate.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
July 17 2013 19:14 GMT
#37
On July 17 2013 18:13 BoYoB wrote:
I agree with all the statements above, and would like to add that this idea of playing different groups the same day and to spread all the matches of a group on a 16 days period makes the whole thing really uncomfortable to follow.

I actually like this part of it where each player has plenty of time to prepare for each individual match in their group. I wanna see this format done with double elim groups instead of round robin groups.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
July 17 2013 19:19 GMT
#38
On July 17 2013 19:26 Taipoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:08 Apoteosis wrote:
OSL format sucks.

First, RO32 in bo1 format.
Second, this bizarre tiebreak rule.
Third, no teamkill first.

Really?
You think its better when a toruney organizer says:
"I don´t trust you and your professionalism" to the players?
Please, these guys are professional and know what is when a match is fixed.
I think all this suspicion here, tell me more about this community, not OSL.

You act as if this never happens...Even just in SC2 I've seen players try to lose a group match to face a weaker player in the next round, Naniwa probe rush, thrown games for teammates, and of course there's Savior who everyone would've thought to be a perfect professional.
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