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Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
March 11 2013 07:31 GMT
#81
On March 11 2013 11:51 VanSCPurge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 09:21 Evil_Sheep wrote:
I think it was pretty decent for a zvz, although we've also seen better. Game 1 was hilarious, it was like a parody of the popular stereotype of zvz, with a 5-minute standoff b/w two armies of broodlord/infestor firing hundreds of broodlings at each other until finally one side cracked. It was so absurd it was somehow entertaining. It was an entirely fitting way to sign off Lings of Liberty.

I also can't help but pat myself on the back here

On March 09 2013 11:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On March 09 2013 07:01 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TeamLiquid Writer Predictions
Fionn: Symbol 4 - 2 RorO
Kollin: Symbol 4 - 2 RorO
monk: RorO 4 - 3 Symbol
Stuchiu: RorO 4 - 2 Symbol
Waxangel: Symbol 4 - 1 RorO
Zealously: Symbol 4 - 3 RorO


Personally, I don't see how Symbol isn't the underdog here. His zvz has been abysmal, recently losing 4-0 to Snute in the HSC finals, 3-0 to Scarlett at IS2. The only exception was his victory over Curious, but then Curious basically just did the same two strategies (mutas into roach/infestor or roach/infestor) over and over the entire series. Symbol played well but it was also a disappointing showing from Curious. Symbol has made a leap of improvement this GSL, but I question how far you can improve a weak matchup in such a short span of time.

Roro's zvz on the other hand is already world class. He has a 62% win, and 71% in Proleague. He beat Life this GSL, who is often considered the best zvz'er and best player in the world (Life also 2-0'd Symbol earlier this GSL.) He shifts between all-out aggression and standard macro effortlessly. His preparation and scouting are meticulous, as we have seen earlier. He's unpredictable, he adapts his play to his opponents' weaknesses. His own play is tight with no obvious weaknesses for others to exploit. His results have been on a steep upward trajectory. In short, he is a complete player.

On paper, Roro has to be considered the favourite. Of course that hasn't meant squat this GSL. In fact, it's meant reverse squat. Almost every single round Symbol has been counted out, and every single time he has squeaked past. He just barely made it to code S in the first place on wildcards. The list of players who were supposed to send Symbol home on his way here is noteworthy: Creator, MKP, Squirtle, Innovation, and Curious.

Will Symbol pull off one last upset and complete the trend this GSL of underdogs upsetting favourites? All I can say is, between the Roro we have seen so far, and the Symbol we have seen so far, Roro is a cut above.

Roro 4-2 Symbol



While I agreed with your prediction, I disagreed with your logic. Had I seen this post before the finals, I would have said something along the lines of: "RorO was 2-0'd by IdrA. What's your point?"

Kinda funny the way Sc2 works sometimes.

The point was that we had lots of recent games to watch that showed Symbol's zvz wasn't all that good, and we had lots of recent games that showed Roro's zvz was very good. And that showed in the results.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
March 11 2013 08:51 GMT
#82
KeSPA wins code S! Awesome!
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
March 11 2013 09:49 GMT
#83
On March 11 2013 09:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
why in the world would symbol put down manner nyduses (nydii?) if he won his first game after being three down?

That's like:
"Ha! I'm not 4-0'd!"
Proxan
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden16 Posts
March 11 2013 09:50 GMT
#84
Glad Code Z is finally over
SeriousLus
Profile Joined July 2012
169 Posts
March 11 2013 16:05 GMT
#85
it was really sad to see WoL end like this.. the finals often are really bad, but this one might have topped them all
now at least we can look forward to another year of terran rule since its Blizzard and new units/addons
hopefully we will get better GSL finals from now on
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
March 11 2013 19:00 GMT
#86
I never thought I'd see the words "Roro" and "champion" in the same sentence without the word "not" in between them.

But congrats to the biggest anti-team destroyer ever. From winning random games in PL and never getting too far in starleagues in BW to SCII Champ.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
March 11 2013 19:09 GMT
#87
so epic... last gsl champ is the first kespa champ, couldnt have worked out better
My religion is Starcraft
vitruvia
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada235 Posts
March 11 2013 20:01 GMT
#88
On March 11 2013 08:34 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 08:26 ShowTheLights wrote:
-.-'
not sure what to say...
congrats to roro but blah what a bad finals to end WoL
I wonder if Roro will be as forgotten as jjajki or Sniper.
I'm sure there are a lot of Khan fans out there but other than them..


Please. People keep saying "Oh man I've already forgotten about Sniper" yet are all to happy to tell us how often they forget about him.

Also you assume instantly Roro will tank? Why? What in his play indicated he wasn't of a champion calibre besides any bias you might have against his race?

No-one forgets GSL champions. You are already in the history books for winning it.

Congrats Roro! I look forward to more great play from him.


I guess forgetting wouldn't be the right term to use here, but less memorable.
It is quite easy to understand jiakji's situation as that gsl is one of the least watched gsl so far.
Sniper played on one of the largest foreign stages and yet we somehow dont associate him as a gsl champion much like that of jiakji. Similar cases happened in bw too, does anyone still remember hydra winning msl or the final with calm vs kwanro(i dont remember who won that one lol). I guess they are just not as hyped. It might be the same thing here. As it is the last GSL of WoL i don't think people paid much attention to it. Compounded with the increasing popularity of other e-sport games, this gsl isn't just on par in term of hype i guess.=(

PS: aside from jiakji's case, every other less memorable finals has been non tvt mirror matchups, not saying tvt mirror is any better, but at least the terran tend to produce more popular players(oov,nada,boxer,mma,mvp,flash)
what quote?
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
March 12 2013 16:38 GMT
#89
On March 11 2013 18:50 Proxan wrote:
Glad Code Z is finally over


For real! This was the first time I actually completely forgot there was a Code S finals. The HotS tourney was just so much more exciting.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
SlayerOfYou
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
58 Posts
March 13 2013 00:39 GMT
#90
glad the era of code zvz is over, although i am happy for Roro on having achieved a level of success he never did in brood war. I just find it amazing how much a lot of the kespa crew has come in such a short amount of time.
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