On March 11 2013 08:42 UrsusRex wrote:
Wow the results are exactly what everyone predicted they would be, including myself. Sure glad I watched IEM instead.

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ROFL no at least not in starcraft. He will always be a Kong this tournament was his last chance. No one had as many opportunities and consistently squandered them the way Symbol did. He had his chances the GSL, Homestory Cup, MLG and even special tournaments like Iron Squid. None of the players he lost to were even the best. He lost championships to Roro, Snute, MMA, and Violet good players but none are an excuse.

Lolwut? Why all the vitriol? And your logic doesn't work at all. You assume that all of his finals appearances were just opportunities that were handed to him; he earned them, which is an achievement it itself. Also, at the end of 2011 MKP had lost three times in the GSL finals, so by your logic he had no future. He then immediately went on to win 2 MLGs... sounds like he had a future.

O-ops

United States4236 Posts

March 11 2013 02:02 GMT

#47

On March 11 2013 08:42 UrsusRex wrote:
Wow the results are exactly what everyone predicted they would be, including myself. Sure glad I watched IEM instead.

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Yellow says hi.

Increase your post count before you actually talk shit about ppl getting medals.

empty.bottle

685 Posts

March 11 2013 02:06 GMT

#48

rorolled

Stanlot

United States5742 Posts

March 11 2013 02:16 GMT

#49

Man, people are reaaally pissed that a Kespa player won, huh?

iGX

Australia414 Posts

March 11 2013 02:25 GMT

#50

congrats to roro. samsung khan: final bw champ and the final wol champ. lets see if they can get the final hots champ when the time comes!

Bippzy

United States1466 Posts

March 11 2013 02:28 GMT

#51

On March 11 2013 08:46 peekn wrote:
The elephant has been noticed.

i think the conclusion to elephant in the room should be stated that BW players are very good at sc2, but the correlation is no where near linear and most often the mid tier to low tier bw pros are the best in sc2

Zariel

Australia1285 Posts

March 11 2013 02:41 GMT

#52

Congrats coin-flip zerg. The BW zerg who somehow had a near 50% win rate in all matchups. (give or take like 0.5% seriously)

We Are Here

Australia1810 Posts

March 11 2013 02:49 GMT

#53

Was the finals turnout like the MSL finals Calm vs Kwanro(I think)?

VanSCPurge

United States169 Posts

March 11 2013 02:51 GMT

#54

On March 11 2013 09:21 Evil_Sheep wrote:
I think it was pretty decent for a zvz, although we've also seen better. Game 1 was hilarious, it was like a parody of the popular stereotype of zvz, with a 5-minute standoff b/w two armies of broodlord/infestor firing hundreds of broodlings at each other until finally one side cracked. It was so absurd it was somehow entertaining. It was an entirely fitting way to sign off Lings of Liberty.

I also can't help but pat myself on the back here

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On March 09 2013 11:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:

On March 09 2013 07:01 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TeamLiquid Writer Predictions
Fionn: Symbol 4 - 2 RorO
Kollin: Symbol 4 - 2 RorO
monk: RorO 4 - 3 Symbol
Stuchiu: RorO 4 - 2 Symbol
Waxangel: Symbol 4 - 1 RorO
Zealously: Symbol 4 - 3 RorO

Personally, I don't see how Symbol isn't the underdog here. His zvz has been abysmal, recently losing 4-0 to Snute in the HSC finals, 3-0 to Scarlett at IS2. The only exception was his victory over Curious, but then Curious basically just did the same two strategies (mutas into roach/infestor or roach/infestor) over and over the entire series. Symbol played well but it was also a disappointing showing from Curious. Symbol has made a leap of improvement this GSL, but I question how far you can improve a weak matchup in such a short span of time.

Roro's zvz on the other hand is already world class. He has a 62% win, and 71% in Proleague. He beat Life this GSL, who is often considered the best zvz'er and best player in the world (Life also 2-0'd Symbol earlier this GSL.) He shifts between all-out aggression and standard macro effortlessly. His preparation and scouting are meticulous, as we have seen earlier. He's unpredictable, he adapts his play to his opponents' weaknesses. His own play is tight with no obvious weaknesses for others to exploit. His results have been on a steep upward trajectory. In short, he is a complete player.

On paper, Roro has to be considered the favourite. Of course that hasn't meant squat this GSL. In fact, it's meant reverse squat. Almost every single round Symbol has been counted out, and every single time he has squeaked past. He just barely made it to code S in the first place on wildcards. The list of players who were supposed to send Symbol home on his way here is noteworthy: Creator, MKP, Squirtle, Innovation, and Curious.

Will Symbol pull off one last upset and complete the trend this GSL of underdogs upsetting favourites? All I can say is, between the Roro we have seen so far, and the Symbol we have seen so far, Roro is a cut above.

Roro 4-2 Symbol

While I agreed with your prediction, I disagreed with your logic. Had I seen this post before the finals, I would have said something along the lines of: "RorO was 2-0'd by IdrA. What's your point?"

Kinda funny the way Sc2 works sometimes.

NicksonReyes

Philippines4431 Posts

March 11 2013 02:57 GMT

#55

Symbol, having scouted Roro's infestation pit, knew that the Samsung Zerg was upgrading his pathogen glands and had infestors about to pop out. In a candidate for one of the best plays of the year, Symbol cleverly contaminated the infestation pit right before the upgrade finished, and so the infestors popped out without the extra energy. Soon after, Symbol went for a ling runby on Roro's fourth, killing it before it could be cancelled.

Isn't Roro the one who contaminated Symbol's Infestation Pit?

fAnTaCy

United States893 Posts

March 11 2013 03:02 GMT

#56

ROOOOROOOOOO! That's my boy!

baubo

China3370 Posts

March 11 2013 03:07 GMT

#57

On March 11 2013 09:40 Fischbacher wrote:
I honestly feel this final is being undersold.

Game one was pretty good, with the hilariously long Brood War and the great ling runby that essentially won RorO the game. Game two had a really awesome, nail-biting defence by RorO.

Certainly not the best GSL final, but it was in no way bad.

I think recaps for SC2 reflects the fanbase, which are likely more casual and don't really care to read details. It was generally more geared towards hardcore fans before.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271943#one

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186373#one (This set of battle reports in particular are some of the funniest I've ever read. Making some mundane games seem really funny when I rewatched the VODs)

endy

Switzerland8970 Posts

March 11 2013 03:09 GMT

#58

By beating Fantasy twice in OSL, Jangbi made Samsung Khan leave the Kong Line for ever.

It just feels a bit weird to see RorO having a winrate higher than 50%. I am almost crazy enough to dare that we can finally have him in Fantasy PL, but I still wouldn't pick him.