More passengers board Soul Train despite fare hike. – SKT_PartinG tops Group E to reach round of 16.
Though some say money can change a man's soul, it wasn't even remotely the case for PartinG on Tuesday night. Making his first GSL appearance since signing a lucrative contract with KeSPA's SK Telecom T1, PartinG looked like the same world class player who won multiple championships for Startale at the end of 2012. Using a combination of unstoppable all-in attacks and precise micro, PartinG toppled ByuNPrime and LG-IM_LosirA as he advanced to the Ro16 as first place in Group E.
Not surprisingly, immortals and sentries were an important part of PartinG's arsenal. After dropping his first game to ByuNPrime's two base infantry-tank strategy, PartinG used a proxy-robo immortal all-in to even up the score before finishing the series in three games. In the winners match against Losira, PartinG used his patented Soul Train build to close out a 2 – 0 victory, beating the clock as Losira tried to rush out infestors as a counter.
All in all, it was a familiar PartinG performance: His Soul Train loooked unstoppable, he made up for recent macro PvT lapses with well executed aggressive builds. The only thing that really changed was the list of players PartinG chose to thank in his post game interview, with names like Fantasy, Rain, and soO taking the place of Bomber, Squirtle, and Curious.
LosirA became the second resident of the LG-IM house to show a return to 2011 form after SK_MC. With two wins over AX.Ryung (4 – 0 total map score), Losira secured a place in the Code S Ro16 for the first time since October of 2011. While his ZvP form looked suspect against PartinG—using too many speculative speedling attacks against a proven master of force-fields—his ZvT looked top class.
With great creep spread and an acute sense for when to fight and when to back off, Losira was able to topple former semi-finalist Ryung with his ultralisk style. His games compared interestingly to Sniper's games against Bomber and Gumiho back in Group C, where the defending champ also elected to go for an ultralisk-centric composition while showing off impressive creep spread. However, while Sniper suffered painful turnaround defeats after taking too many poor engagements against marauders, Losira had a better sense for when to back off and when to press his advantage. Additionally, Losira's great use of transfuses made sure he got his money's worth out of his ultras, allowing him to finish games without switching to brood lords (although, he did win one game on the back of brood lord-infestor for good old time's sake).
Although Losira's ZvP may prove to be a liability, a lucky draw in this Protoss-starved season could see Losira ride his ZvT to an even higher place.
– ByuNPrime and AX.Ryung play the game of the night, but are sent to Code A in the end.
Unfortunately for ByuNPrime and AX.Ryung, they were eliminated from the tournament after they gave the audience the best series and best game of the night. Starting off by losing to their initial opponents in PartinG and Losira, Ryung and ByuN faced off in the losers match for the right to a second chance.
Ryung looked every bit the TvT master in game one, taking an early advantage and then slowly but surely suffocating ByuN with mech play. ByuN refused to go down easily, however, and hit back in game two by defending against Ryung's proxy marauders and counter-attacking with cloaked banshees.
The final, deciding game on Planet S ended up being the best game of the night, and should end up as one of the most memorable of 2013. The two players battled fiercely for the first 30 minutes, with Ryung playing mech while Byun went for a mixed bio-tank composition. Despite constant fighting, neither side could take a sustained advantage, and ByuN decided he would build battlecruisers to break the deadlock. However, RyunG couldn't be caught off guard and started preparing his own fleet of ships. After a slow build-up and stalemate, an epic air battle ensued—one on a scale that had never been seen in the GSL with vikings, battlecruisers, and ravens all trading fire in a chaotic battle.
When the smoke cleared, it initially appeared ByuN had won the day with a few barely operational battlecruisers left. However, Ryung's superior bank allowed him to recover more quickly from the mutual annihilation, and he quickly marched to secure the last remaining resources in the center. That spelled the end for ByuN, who could not remake an army after the deciding battle and was forced to GG out with a defeated smile.
The story headlining Group F is doubtlessly the most abusive relationship in the history of Starcraft 2: that of MarineKingPrime and LG-IM_Mvp. The two have met many times over the years, and out of 24 official games, Mvp has won 20 of them while not losing a single series. The two other players in Samsung Khan’s RorO and MVP’s KeeN don’t possess half the name value that Mvp and MKP do, but RorO’s resurgence in Proleague and Keen’s string of strong performances toward the end of last year make them serious contenders in this group.
The first match of the night will be MarineKingPrime going up against Samsung_RorO. There are three important things to note about this match-up.
1) Marineking will only have been in Korea for two days or so, having just returned from being mauled in two consecutive TvZs at Iron Squid II by Life and Nestea. Not only does this probably mean that MKP will be struggling with jet lag, it will also mean that MKP, whose emotions remain a strong factor in his game play, might be plagued by lack of confidence in his play versus Zerg. Though being stomped by a player like Life isn't particularly shameful, his 3rd/4th place match against Nestea was anything but impressive, with three straight losses to all-ins.
While MKP's vs. Zerg hasn’t been a strong point since the queen patch, it's still something to fear when he's left alone to play the kind of games he wants. But with Zergs everywhere learning to fully exploit Marineking's relative predictability, it is unlikely that he'll be left alone for any great length of time.
2) Though RorO had a string of abysmal performances through round one of Proleague, his play has recently taken a turn for the better as more and more people decided to put him on their FPL anti-teams (a sure-fire sign that he would perform well, dating back to his Brood War career). With regained confidence and vastly improved gameplay, RorO has gone back to being one of the stronger KeSPA Zergs. Thus, he's also become a very legitimate threat to a Marineking who will not only be playing his weakest match-up against a strong opponent, but while hindered by jet lag and lack of confidence as well.
3) RorO essentially had his place in the Ro16 secured last season, only losing to Hack due to the amateurish mistake of leaving several ultralisks in a nydus worm.
If RorO avoids making such mistakes again, he is the unmistakable favorite. But if there's another thing Brood War has told us, it's that there's danger in proclaiming him the favorite. RorO defeats expectations both ways, for better and for worse, and might prove to be his own worst enemy in this match.
The second match of the night is between IM_Mvp, who is once again starting to be doubted by the fans, and MVP_KeeN, who has recently had reason to be optimistic.
The former had a rough ride in last season’s Ro32 with somewhat one-sided losses to Creator and DongRaeGu, and the latter fared only a little better as he too went out, losing to Bogus and Leenock. However, both of them seemed to shake off the effects of those questionable performances, and advanced out of Code A in convincing fashion. Their ups and downs in form make it hard to evalulate their skill, and the fact that neither played a TvT on their way back to Code S makes it even more difficult.
TvT has historically been Mvp’s strongest match-up, at his best being completely untouchable, and at worst making him one of the few to dominate MKP even at the times when the Prime Terran was at his peak. But Keen has shown that he is no slouch in the match-up, and was practically bursting with confidence in his Code A interview, convinced that early 2013 would be the year when he finally broke through as a true championship contender.
As Keen does not have any recent recorded TvT games (his latest being his 0-2 loss to InnoVation), the edge must go to the player who has shown himself to be a deadly force in the match-up for nearly all of Wings of Liberty. Mvp may not be NaDa, a player who simply would not lose to KeeN under any circumstances, but he's similar enough to him in the "used to win a bunch of stuff all the time" aspect. If that's something that gives you an inherent advantage against KeeN, then Mvp has no lack of trophies to draw power from.
Overall outlook and predictions
Every Mvp fan around the world will be begging for Marineking to beat RorO and for Mvp to beat Keen so that Mvp can have a free ride to the Round of 16, seeing as MKP is “The only easy player remaining in Code S”. However, with the condition MKP might be in, it seems more likely that the winner’s match will end up being Mvp vs. RorO.
Condition is a concern for Mvp as well, and you never know which version of him will show up in the Round of 32. Will it be the supremely intelligent Mvp who picks apart opponents like toys, or will it be the Mvp hinting at past greatness but ultimately being bested by hurting wrists? We know that Mvp does not necessarily follow the same rules of logic as everyone else, sometimes advancing over massive favorites in their peak form, and sometimes losing in completely humiliating fashion against players he should beat eleven times out of ten. His recent loss to Goswser in Iron Squid would indicate that it is Mvp’s weak form that is going to show up but, to echo certain other writers, counting out Mvp has many times proven to be utterly foolish, and so I must argue that he is still the favorite in this group.
For second place, it’s going to be a fierce fight between an MKP desperate to redeem himself after disappointing performances last weekend, Keen who has eyes set on the role as Team MVP’s best player and ultimately the championship, and RorO who just wants to upset more anti-fans.
For MKP, I think this group is unfortunately out of his reach. Though he may be at least evenly matched against Keen, RorO’s recent performances in ZvT have been convincing enough for him to be favored against a jetlagged and recently defeated MKP. And though Keen may have beaten Byul in Code A, RorO has recently beaten both last season’s semi-finalist Innovation and SKT ace Fantasy, two of the hottest Terrans in the Proleague.
All things considered, MKP should be considered the underdog in group F, whoever between RorO and KeeN brings his A-game or most clever strategies will likely be advancing alongside the hurting champion. However, Marineking's unpredictability promises that he'll advance in first place somehow if we count him out completely.
I read the predictions for group F and immediately thought: "Yes, Fionn predicted MKP to lose both matches, MKP's totally going to Ro8" but then I checked who wrote the prediction =(
On January 30 2013 04:04 antilyon wrote: I read the predictions for group F and immediately thought: "Yes, Fionn predicted MKP to lose both matches, MKP's totally going to Ro8" but then I checked who wrote the prediction =(
Sorry about that, but I don't have my own curse yet
On January 30 2013 04:04 antilyon wrote: I read the predictions for group F and immediately thought: "Yes, Fionn predicted MKP to lose both matches, MKP's totally going to Ro8" but then I checked who wrote the prediction =(
Sorry about that, but I don't have my own curse yet
Even when you're wrong, it's attributed to Fionn's curse anyway ^_^
On January 30 2013 04:04 antilyon wrote: I read the predictions for group F and immediately thought: "Yes, Fionn predicted MKP to lose both matches, MKP's totally going to Ro8" but then I checked who wrote the prediction =(
Sorry about that, but I don't have my own curse yet
Why didn't you just say you discussed long and hard with Fionn about the predictions..
damn it.
Even though people doubt MKP, he did get 4th in ISQ, which was an extremely hard tournament, with a bunch of koreans, even though did only beat 1 terran, that terran was TaeJa, who is still an excellent player. And against Life it was pretty much games decided by their builds, MKP going for mech without starport against a very fast mutalisk... yeah.
Game 2 they played pretty well both of them, MKP just got a bit too greedy with his 3rd, he should have waited another minute or so to take it, otherwise MKP played really well against Life, game 3 he did have an advantage and just never let it go, sat back and defended, then moved out and killed life (Normally he just attacks and loses the lead).
D: my LR thread results not even included in the write up. My epeen is crushed! I dont have a lot of confidence in MKP right now so I don't think he will advance like you said. I think Keen can have a breakthrough performance here. KeeN and RorO to advance! Everyone mad! plus Marineking is ro8 2012 S5 cursed. Marineking, Soulkey, and INoVation are all going to Code A by the end of the week.
On January 30 2013 04:04 antilyon wrote: I read the predictions for group F and immediately thought: "Yes, Fionn predicted MKP to lose both matches, MKP's totally going to Ro8" but then I checked who wrote the prediction =(
Sorry about that, but I don't have my own curse yet
Don't worry, you chose MVP to win, gave Roro and Keen around even chances to win, and MKP the whole betting against so he's going to advance in first thing going, you can't be wrong!
Thinking MVP and Keen if Keen shows up with all he's got, else Roro takes second.
On January 30 2013 04:04 antilyon wrote: I read the predictions for group F and immediately thought: "Yes, Fionn predicted MKP to lose both matches, MKP's totally going to Ro8" but then I checked who wrote the prediction =(
Sorry about that, but I don't have my own curse yet
Even when you're wrong, it's attributed to Fionn's curse anyway ^_^
I think RorO will advance. He is in good shape and only have to practice 1 matchup and for the second spot, its so open that I almost dont dare to guess who will make it out. Maybe Marineking!
you're mah boi PartinG! never dissapoints me. Now I hope Mvp will come back to ro16...he is still one of the best terrans in my eyes, just that his wrists are holding him back
MKP has to beat Ror0. It wouldn't be the GSL if we didn't see him get slain by MVP then go on tilt and fall to Code A. Or maybe MVP will lose to Keen before knocking MKP to Code A then getting second in the group.
Seriously though, as a long time MKP hater watching him lose to MVP over and over again has always been a pleasure. I'm going to be extremely disappointed if it doesn't happen again.
On January 30 2013 05:38 TommyP wrote: RorO>MKP (2-0) Keen>Mvp (2-0) Keen>RorO (2-1) MKP>Mvp (2-0) RorO>MKP (2-0)
I'd bet money on Mvp not winning a bo3
MVP not beating MKP? You do realize MVP could probably beat MKP by merely looking at him meanly in the booth? The mental block is far to strong, even against a player that isn't emotional getting over a 20-4 record is hard. MKP is either the most emotional or second most emotional(him and Hero are close, although recently Hero has improved a lot) in SC2.
Worst prediction ever. Putting MKP in last place is so stupid. Serioulsy this guys dont know a shit what they are talking about. I have my confident bet on Mvp and Mkp dont ever count him out.ö
On January 30 2013 05:38 TommyP wrote: RorO>MKP (2-0) Keen>Mvp (2-0) Keen>RorO (2-1) MKP>Mvp (2-0) RorO>MKP (2-0)
I'd bet money on Mvp not winning a bo3
MVP not beating MKP? You do realize MVP could probably beat MKP by merely looking at him meanly in the booth? The mental block is far to strong, even against a player that isn't emotional getting over a 20-4 record is hard. MKP is either the most emotional or second most emotional(him and Hero are close, although recently Hero has improved a lot) in SC2.
hahaha, the front image says it all, usually Mvp isnt the type of guy to hold ceremonys, but I wonder if he sits in the teamhouse and seriously considers to prepare something special this time around
Head to Head Record: 3-1 (75.0%) Starting Map: Akilon Flats
Mvp's first opponent is KeeN, a fellow Korean Terran. KeeN is an odd one; he seems to be a good Code A to Code S level Terran who can occasionally surprise people by beating high profile players. However, the statistics show that Mvp is simply superior to KeeN in TvT. In fact, TvT has been the match-up of Mvp that never really degrades and there are no balance issues with TvT to worry about. Generally speaking, Mvp can be counted on to be pretty consistent in this match-up, and the main people he loses to are MMA (but not anymore) and TaeJa when TaeJa is hot.
Mvp's recent form has looked worrying with his worst night ever at Blizzard Cup 2012 and a 0-3 loss to goswser, but those are TvP and TvZ. He has still won 7 of the last 10 TvTs and KeeN beating Mvp would truly be a big upset at this stage. I'll go ahead and say that Mvp takes this 2-0.
MarineKing TvT Lifetime: 56.39% TvT 2012-2013: 73.58% TvT Last 10: 40% Head to Head Record: 18-4 (81.8%)
RorO ZvT Lifetime: 72.22% ZvT Last 10: 60% Head to Head Record: 0-0
Against RorO, Mvp will certainly have the toughest time. Mvp's TvZ looked absolutely abysmal (0-3 loss to goswser, 0-2 loss to Stephano, and terrible losses at Blizzard Cup 2012) while RorO seems to be fairly good in the matchup. Never count Mvp out, but at this point, I think it's safe to favor nearly any Zerg against Mvp until Mvp gets his TvZ together. The new patch might benefit Mvp though. Still, RorO will be a good test for Mvp because RorO is the type of Zerg that Mvp should beat. If Mvp wants the last Wings of Liberty championship, Mvp will need to compete with the Lifes and DongRaeGus of the world, not the RorOs.
Even though MarineKing has shown superb skill in TvT during 2012, MarineKing will never ever beat Mvp. Ever. It's that simple - MarineKing is the punching bag and Mvp is the fist headed towards MarineKing's head, ready to crush MarineKing's dreams into dust. Hey, that's been their relationship so far!
nestea SSSSSSSSSSSSSTOMPED and crushowned mkp, so dudes confidence must be in the gutter. no zerg is gonna lose to mkp, not possible. not after nestea was finished devouring his soul. mkp is gonna do something silly like 3 cc before rax transition into lose.
Marineking is last, that's for sure... otherwise it's kinda hard to predict since we haven't seen Keen play at all lately. RorO is starting to really pick up some wins in PL, but at the same time we've also seen promising PL players completely fail in the gsl. I'd probably go with OP's prediction... never bet against MVP
Hoping that both MvP and MKP advance. MvP and MKP final with MKP winning it finally and breaking the curse would be such an emotional and amazing close to WoL imo. GO MKP! Show MvP who's boss! :D
You know a lot of people in this thread are on the MVP/MKP train and they have good reason to be throughout WOL those 2 have probably been the best 2 terrans. And everyone else seems to be in agreement on MVP/Roro.
My pick however: Keen. He looked amazing to end 2012, he's always had pretty damn good TVT, and he uses some wonkie ass builds that will throw roro off. Keen gets out of this group.
Now, I know we have Bombers Law and the corrolary, which state that he will dissapoint and if he doesn't it is to set up future dissapointment. I'm wondering if we can get a RoRo's Law and corrolary.
1. RoRo will mess up your liquibet predictions' 2. If RoRo doesn't mess up your liquibet prediction, it is only so that he further mess up your predictions in the future.
I'm feeling that this time around it's appropriate to bet against Mvp. MKP will finally get back at him by denying the last chance of Mvp to make it in WoL.
My predictions.. but the thing is, Mvp and MarineKing, when they play well, they're GODLIKE. When they're not, well... look at what happened to Mvp in Blizzard Cup.
On January 30 2013 04:04 antilyon wrote: I read the predictions for group F and immediately thought: "Yes, Fionn predicted MKP to lose both matches, MKP's totally going to Ro8" but then I checked who wrote the prediction =(
Sorry about that, but I don't have my own curse yet
Can someone please explain to me what happened in the last game between Losira and Ryung where Losira sort of just killed Ryungs army with ultra bane infestor. I really want to balance whine like a mofo but I figured Id give people the chance to point out any factors I may have overlooked.
Game 2 was pretty tense. Even though MKP was ahead the entire time it felt like he could lose at any moment... Going for hellions instead of tanks so late in the game could have been disastrous if Roro had any baneling nest.
Edit: First prediction shattered already
I sense MKP REALLY wants to beat Mvp before HotS comes along.
On January 30 2013 04:53 SneX wrote: I think RorO will advance. He is in good shape and only have to practice 1 matchup and for the second spot, its so open that I almost dont dare to guess who will make it out. Maybe Marineking!
Nailed it Didnt watch the games, I hope they were good.