Leenock triumphs - FXOLeenock reaches the final eight with wins over HerO and Squirtle.
It has been a long time since we last saw Leenock in the round of eight in Code S. Prior to last night, Leenock had been on a rough ride in Korean competition. Even though he lost to Jjakji in the Code S November 2011 finals, it was expected that he would be a solid contender in all of 2012. However, he couldn't get past the wall of the Ro16, and even his performances in supposedly easier international competition dropped off for much of 2012. However, Leenock made a late-summer recovery, rallying his team to a GSTL championship and grabbing himself a second MLG championship at Raleigh, and had built up momentum heading into this Ro16 group.
The group selection was not the kindest to Leenock. While it is a badge of honor to be among the last set of players picked, his opponents looked like the sort that had given him trouble since November of last year: two Protoss players with impeccable reputations for their PvZs alongside a loose cannon Terran player whom he would probably only be facing in the loser’s match – not an easy task for any Zerg. With Leenock’s history of having a shaky ZvP, it looked like the Zerg had drawn the short end of the stick.
Liquid`HerO vs. Leenock has given us some memorable games in the past; in season two HerO was just about able to edge out the FXO player in what would be HerO’s breakout Code S performance. On the other hand, Leenock beat HerO in the ace match between FXO and the now defunct oGs-TL in GSTL S1. All games featured what one has come to expect out of the two players, tons of action, constant aggression and things happening all over the map.
This season’s showdown neither surprised nor disappointed in that regard; Leenock started out strong when HerO missed his timing to execute a cannon rush successfully on his third in the first game. The Protoss followed it up with a seven gate, meeting some success but ultimately Leenock stabilized, took his fourth and overran HerO with lings, roaches and infestors.
Game two saw the fireworks start to go off. Eschewing his usual pick of Entombed Valley for Cloud Kingdom, the game followed the trend of having Leenock teching up behind aggression while HerO defended and counterattacked. With a spire sniped early on, Leenock relied on twelve existing mutalisks for both map control and for harass. But as the day of the mutalisks came to an end, HerO was the one denying bases and expanding. In the end, the sheer multitasking of HerO prevailed, the Protoss able to stretch Leenock’s forces too thin while setting up two flanks to kill off stranded brood lords and snipe infestors.
The decider came on Antiga Shipyard, a pick in line with other top Zergs in the tournament. In the round of 32, Symbol chose the map as his loser’s pick against HerO, almost engineering a victory despite getting battered by HerO's harassment all game. We saw the same type of game play out once again, though perhaps on a higher level. Leenock was never able to secure a fourth and struggled to force favorable trades with his lings and roaches. However, he seldom wasted his gas units, and built up a formidable infestor/brood lord composition while HerO invested a lot in his harassment. While Symbol vs. HerO ended when the Zerg had his army picked slowly apart as it was trying to deal a deathblow to the Protoss, Leenock was more frugal. He was able to encroach upon HerO’s map control and managed to decisively turn the game in his favor with a neuraled mothership vortexing the majority of the Protoss army.
In the winners match, Leenock moved on to face ST_Squirtle. The two games were more straightforward than the previous encounter with HerO. On Ohana, Leenock’s ten pool was able to cancel a building Nexus. With momentum on his side, he repeated much of what was seen in his first game of the night on Daybreak, never relenting from attacking until Squirtle had no option but to surrender.
Cloud Kingdom once again was the trickier map for Leenock. He fell behind to Squirtle’s Colossus based aggression, but sacrificed what he could afford to and put together another infestor-brood lord army. Squirtle failed to execute the same kind of flanks that let HerO take apart the Zerg army, and it cost him dearly. Once again Leenock was able to land a crucial neural parasite, leveraging his superb army control and immense infestor count to sweep the Startale Protoss.
FXOLeenock looked superb in advancing. It has become evident that some progamers change their stated favorite matchup as often as most people change socks, but Leenock did not joke around when he said he was currently favoring ZvP. He showcased the old Leenock style of unrelenting attacks in his first games against both opponents, but added to that a frustratingly patient late game that we have not seen too often from him before. His army control, always impressive, translates well to the late game style that defeated HerO on Antiga and Squirtle on Cloud Kingdom.
However, perhaps more interesting was his attention to what to fight over. He looked like a player who knew exactly how to win, opting to sacrifice the non-integral parts of his game plan while focusing on what really mattered: the unstoppable brood lord - infestor army. He played Antiga Shipyard, in a position where he was clearly behind in all categories, except the fact that he had a terrifying army that HerO would be forced to confront at some point in the game. While Leenock has previously looked like a player inherently more comfortable on the offensive rather than defensive, this new strength will mean that he is even stronger than before.
Last Action HerO - Falling to the loser’s match after a 1-2 against Leenock, Liquid`HerO advances with wins over Heart and Squirtle.
Many progamers look to be fearless competitors, never fazed by unlucky losses, always staying calm and collected. I daresay not many people would include HerO in this category. After seeing his reaction to losing to Leenock, one had to wonder just how the rest of the group would play out for the Liquid Protoss.
However, perhaps it is time to re-evaluate some of the commonly accepted truths about HerO’s mentality. While he did look devastated after his loss to Leenock, it should be remembered that on his way to securing a spot in the semi-finals of Code S Season 2, he was in the same situation. He had lost his first match in the round of 32, looked nothing like a player on the brink of making himself a household name in Code S. But both times, he was able to find some inner strength to bounce back.
It has to be stated that his series against Leenock was gorgeous. He may have lost, but both players looked to be on form and in the last two games, HerO played some of his best PvZ. But while he won most of the battles, he lost the war against the re-invented Leenock and found himself facing elimination going up against Heart.
While coL.Heart is definitely a player capable of multiple styles, but the losers match saw him return to his much maligned caricature as BitbyBit the 2nd. However, HerO showed impressive stability in his early game PvT. On Ohana, he lost his natural to the first 1/1/1 attack but stabilized, getting three phoenixes just in time to crush the follow up marine/tank/banshee attack designed to breach his main. On Antiga, Heart opted for a hellion drop combined with marine pressure at the natural. HerO’s defense was stellar, taking no damage in the main while killing off the marine forces on the natural before being in any real danger. Miles ahead, he went straight up to a single colossus and pushed. Heart, cutting corners while trying to catch up in economy, had next to no defense and had to gg when HerO walked up the ramp, force fielded the Terran army in the main and devastated the expansion.
As predicted by Gom, it all came down to ‘If I can just defeat ST_Squirtle’ for HerO, as featured in the pre-match promotional videos. Very few would have held HerO as a favorite going into this matchup; he looked like the inferior PvP player in just about every aspect when Squirtle secured his spot in the finals in Season 2 with a crushing 3 - 0 sweep. However, HerO has found more confidence in his abilities in the Protoss mirror since then and it probably helped that he was able to defeat Squirtle in the online MLG qualifier for the Summer Spring Arena.
In short, the series was the best PvP HerO had ever played in the GSL. In the first game, his four gate stargate attack upon scouting Squirtle’s expansion was well thought out and well executed. The game seemed to stand on a razor’s edge for a long time, with Squirtle constantly looking to be on the verge of stabilizing, but just not quite capable of locking things down. In the end, HerO was finally able to translate his superb micro into victory.
On Entombed Valley, HerO once again looked to get an advantage in the build order department. Going fast blink against Stargate, he contained Squirtle inside his own natural, defended the phoenix harass and used his blink-stalker advantage to outplay Squirtle in a way that seemed impossible months ago.
Securing Liquid’s second spot in the round of eight should go a long way to make up for recent disappointments abroad and an abysmal previous Code S season. It does remain to be seen whether HerO’s victory over Squirtle means that his PvP will be up to the standard of his opponent in By.Sun, widely acknowledged as the best KeSPA player.
Perhaps most significantly, HerO looked improved in less tangible ways than just gameplay. It is always a good sign to be able to come back from the loser’s bracket, especially so for a player whose nerves have been an issue in the past. Of course, HerO has not looked as solid in foreign tournaments as his fans would have hoped, but since losing to MMA last season, his play in the GSL has been stronger and more solid. Self confidence has always been a crucial component of any champion, and self confidence has been a trait we have seen more defined in the HerO of GSL Season 4 than ever before.
- The best loser
Squirtle had a frustrating evening. It follows what is becoming a rather long line of frustrating evening for the Startale player. A rather new introduction to the Kong line, Squirtle has shown a consistency in not quite making it both in Korea and in foreign tournaments. With his statement that he wants to break Startale’s string of second places, his elimination will be a bitter pill to swallow. Going into the matches against both Leenock and HerO as a favorite makes it worse; he had previously beaten both in GSL Season 2 without losing any maps. He showed his trademark solid PvT and refusal to die when behind against Heart, but was outplayed by Leenock and lost in similarly disappointing fashion against HerO.
Pending how the rest of Code S plays out, Squirtle will probably still be considered as the most solid Protoss player. There is little doubt that he has strong points unrivalled by most. However, he will feel even more pressure to finally land his first gold.
- Heart, the Onion-Cheese King.
Heart has been an interesting part of this season’s Code S. There is no doubt that he is cheesier than what we are used to these days. Of course, with the heralded return of his predecessor BitbyBit as the ruler of the nation of SCV-pull, he might lose the title of Cheese Terran.
On the other hand, Heart gets very little credit for what he has been able to accomplish. Looking at his MLG results and his fantastic WCG Korea run, there is no doubt that he can play a macro game. What is undoubtedly better than being a solid macro player is being a solid macro player that no-one dares to cut corners against. With slightly better decision making or army control, he should have been able to convert his early game advantages against Squirtle into a win and a chance to take on Leenock for advancement.
While he was not able to make it out against the trio of Squirtle, HerO and Leenock, there can be no doubt that he is a very real threat to his fellow Code S players. Heart has come a long way in a short time; it is not long ago since he was not even recognized as the best player on Complexity. Now, he is a true wildcard of the GSL with an unrivalled ability to blind counter opponent’s default strategies against him. Not every spectator will appreciate his style, but it is easy to be fascinated by a player who has been able to polarize his play to a degree where he can dictate opponent’s reactions to such a degree.
Random Facts!
This season, only Life has been able to advance from a group without losing a single map.
Nestea was the only player of this season’s Code S to not win a single map.
Round of 16 had twice as many players finish 0-4 as Round of 32.
Polt has lost the most games of any player in Code S this season.
Life has the best win ratio thus far this season, going 8-1 for an 89% win rate.
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-67 in games.
Symbol and Leenock were the only players to advance from a group by reverse killing their opponent.
KeSPA is currently 10-7 in Code S.
Writers: Porcelina. Graphics and Art: Meko. Editors: Waxangel.
Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.
On September 28 2012 10:12 Doubting wrote: if MKP beats Life I will eat my phone, delete my TL account and never watch SC2 again
He's good, I'll grant you that, and he is on a serious hot streak lately too.
But, contrary to your name the one indubious fact in the universe is the might of Foxer. He is the king of marines and he has risen once again to strike fear into the heart of all but his mortal enemy MVP.
On September 28 2012 10:33 Hall0wed wrote: Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.
Life gonna 3-0 MKP
It's okay, Squirtle still has three months to prove your sig true.
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote: Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
On September 28 2012 10:47 brokenLoL wrote: The only thing I read from this is that leenock cheesed squirtle out of a win. And people call heart a cheesy player when leenock exists?
Meh, both players cheese a lot and both know how to play a damn good macro game. Both are pretty damn dangerous too if you ask me.
On September 28 2012 10:33 Hall0wed wrote: Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.
Life gonna 3-0 MKP
It's okay, Squirtle still has three months to prove your sig true.
T_T
I think he was much better during January-May... but I won't give up hope. I think he could be pretty well off if he can practice enough to get his way into the RO4, playing the last 2 rounds without much time between them seems like it could be good for him. Much easier said than done of course.
Gotta say i loved HerO's games even the ones he lost vs Leenock. Grats to Leenock and HerO, sorry but Squirtle's play might be solid and all it's also rather boring to watch.
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote: Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote: Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
5-1* also 2-0 in code s as well
Haha.
I like the second statement. Seeing that on the very same day, Taeja won 2-0 as well.
But MKP in general seems like one of the few Terrans (along perhaps with Ganzi back in the SlayerS days) that has a solid edge on Taeja.
On September 28 2012 10:33 Hall0wed wrote: Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.
Life gonna 3-0 MKP
I have to agree on game 1, Leenock was so far behind. Squirtle got outplayed in the most important parts of the game.
On September 28 2012 11:39 Shellshock1122 wrote: the 2 finals i would like: Leenock vs Mvp Marineking vs Rain among players I like those seem the most appealing to my tastes :D
No, Leenock vs. MVP is the only acceptable final. I was hoping Leenock would finish 1st so that this were a possibility so now it must happen.
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote: Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
5-1* also 2-0 in code s as well
Haha.
I like the second statement. Seeing that on the very same day, Taeja won 2-0 as well.
But MKP in general seems like one of the few Terrans (along perhaps with Ganzi back in the SlayerS days) that has a solid edge on Taeja.
Hero crushed leenock in all categories for 20 minutes on Antigua. You shouldn't have to at perfectly for so long just to lose to the stupidity that is Zerg late game. I love leenock but that game really stood out to me last night as complete bs
I love MKP (no homo, or maybe a little), but if you think he'll 3-0 Life just like that, you're fooling yourself. MKP was the most scared of Life out of any player in the Ro16, and Life is on a really hot streak right now. If anything, it might be the other way around.
gratz to Leenock and HerO for advancing but yesterday showed me just how broken the PvZ late game is, great play by Leenock tho, some great infestor play won him that series.
I may be alone in this, but I hope a zvz finals actually happens. The quality of that match up has been incredible as of late. Last seasons gstl zvz matches showcase this pretty well I do think.
On September 28 2012 10:15 theseraph wrote: life lost a map to seed. great write up otherwise!
I think he means a whole bo3! I prefict Life, Rain (even though i love hero), Taeja and MVP!
No,I think they mean Life was the only one to advance from a group with a perfect score (in the Ro32) but your interpretation also right. I don't even dare to predict any match nw, they could all go to the final set. All these players are just sick good.
MKP Fighting ! He would deserve a GSL Titel sooo much... after losing twice to MVP etc... he is no longer the king of kongs but Life is a very good zerg indeed. just when i think of the MKP Symbol Series last season its gonna be hard but doable . But maybe MechKingPrime can do it :D gogo MKP !
I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote: I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!
His recent performance definitely hasn't been as dominant as before, but that was bound to happen. Players simply don't stay dominant that long. Some people see that as a bad thing but to me it's just a good indication of the high level of competition that exists.
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote: I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!
His recent performance definitely hasn't been as dominant as before, but that was bound to happen. Players simply don't stay dominant that long. Some people see that as a bad thing but to me it's just a good indication of the high level of competition that exists.
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote: I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!
After those games against Rain I feel Taeja really noticed what went wrong. If anyone has watched him lately you must've noticed the addition of missile turrets, sometimes bunkers at third, small groups of units at home patroling for drops/runbys etc (of course depends in regards of match-ups). I really feel this period of "not-so-much-dominant Taeja" is a transitionary period, and Taeja developing and perfecting his style. Also, after the games against By.sun, many players (MaNa yesterday for example, Sase, etc.) have utilized storm drops and storms in general against Taeja, apparently seeing that as his weak point, to no avail.
He has won pretty much everything lately anyway, just has dropped some maps against a number of players. In team leagues this droppage of maps is of course fatal. But even as Taeja fan, I have to credit By.sun and admit he is going to have an advantage if it comes to these two meeting. The state of PvT lategame with Protoss having the edge in splash and the current meta of playing strong macro games really keeps terrans on razors edge.
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote: I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!
His recent performance definitely hasn't been as dominant as before, but that was bound to happen. Players simply don't stay dominant that long. Some people see that as a bad thing but to me it's just a good indication of the high level of competition that exists.
On September 27 2012 23:10 HaXXspetten wrote: Really sad HerO won the last series, but oh well ;_;
Ro8 predictions:
Rain 3-0 HerO Mvp 3-2 Symbol TaeJa 3-1 Leenock Life 3-0 MarineKing
Rain 3-1 Mvp Life 3-2 TaeJa
Rain 4-2 Life
On September 28 2012 19:11 Fragile51 wrote:
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote: I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!
His recent performance definitely hasn't been as dominant as before, but that was bound to happen. Players simply don't stay dominant that long. Some people see that as a bad thing but to me it's just a good indication of the high level of competition that exists.
I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)
On September 28 2012 22:13 Ragnarork wrote: I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)
On September 28 2012 22:13 Ragnarork wrote: I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)
Ro of 8 is: Rain > Hero MVP > Symbol Leenock > Taeja Life > MKP
Ro of 4 is: Rain > MVP (as sad as I am to say it b/c MVP is my favorite player, with Rain becoming my favorite protoss - he is hands down the best stormer on the planet) Life > Leenock
Finals: Life > Rain (I hope Rain beats Life - however - with the slow moving ball of death with spines, infestor and brood lord - what can beat that? I cannot yet think how a toss can overcome that and break it. Toss air is SO weak its embarrassing to even built carriers or void rays. Even with a perfect unit composition the fungals, neural on mother ship, infested terran and brood lords raining hell down - that combo is, as of right now, impossible for protoss to beat. You can play well all game like Hero did vs Leenock and still lose to that combo in the end. As I said, I'll be rooting for Rain or MVP the whole way.
On September 28 2012 22:13 Ragnarork wrote: I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)
what if he isn't the best player in the world?
at the moment, in sc2, he pretty much is
Not really. It's still to early tell since we havent seen enough of him but still, I think by.Rain very well could be that. From what I've seen from Taeja he seems to be very weak against mid/late-game harass in TvP. I'm not sure if it's the multitasking or something else, but it is something.
Anyway... imo there is no clear contender for the title of the best sc2 player atm.
Sad to see Heart fallout, it's so refreshing to see his ultra aggressive style. With him playing you know you don't need to wait 10 minutes before things heat up.
I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote: I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too
I wish Zergs couldn't lose an entire game based on vortex. PvZ is lategame is quite frankly broken from both sides.
On September 28 2012 22:13 Ragnarork wrote: I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)
what if he isn't the best player in the world?
at the moment, in sc2, he pretty much is
Not really.
Taeja is really good, and certainly among the current top line with Squirtle, Seed, Symbol, Leenock, Byun et cetera, I don't think he's the best.
Yes, he crushed a lot of mostly foreign tournaments lately, and his all-kills against e.g. IM was impressive, but the competition for the "best player" title is just too ridiculous, especially with the godly Rain descending from the heavens of BW to stomp some SC2. Let him win at least one GSL before deciding, okay?
On September 29 2012 00:52 mhael wrote: Ro of 8 is: Rain > Hero MVP > Symbol Leenock > Taeja Life > MKP
Ro of 4 is: Rain > MVP (as sad as I am to say it b/c MVP is my favorite player, with Rain becoming my favorite protoss - he is hands down the best stormer on the planet) Life > Leenock
Finals: Life > Rain (I hope Rain beats Life - however - with the slow moving ball of death with spines, infestor and brood lord - what can beat that? I cannot yet think how a toss can overcome that and break it. Toss air is SO weak its embarrassing to even built carriers or void rays. Even with a perfect unit composition the fungals, neural on mother ship, infested terran and brood lords raining hell down - that combo is, as of right now, impossible for protoss to beat. You can play well all game like Hero did vs Leenock and still lose to that combo in the end. As I said, I'll be rooting for Rain or MVP the whole way.
Look at the Korean win rate in ZvP then say that again -_-
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote: I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too
These posts make me laugh. For the longest time Zergs complained the same thing about vortex (to no recognition from toss players) and now that it is happening to toss players it is quite funny ^^.
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote: I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too
These posts make me laugh. For the longest time Zergs complained the same thing about vortex (to no recognition from toss players) and now that it is happening to toss players it is quite funny ^^.
I can't but agree. The mothership is not a fun unit. I think it's bad to make one unit so very important - it's the same with colossus, I think. They should be smaller, do less damage and be cheaper.
If Taeja wins this GSL he should definitely be considered one, if not, the best SC2 player of 2012. With so many great top level players floating around, he's definitely been the most consistent. Then again with players like Mvp, Life, Leenock and now Rain, it will be hard to take this GSL.
It's funny how Mvp is still not making these "best SC2 players in the world lists" dispite being by far the most consistant player at winning absolutely everything dispite his wrist injuries. He won season 2, got RO16, and is now in RO8 and he is still the underdog against absolutely everyone for whatever reason I'll never understand.
I think Mvp could win the next 2 GSLs and people still wouldn't predict him to advance.
I personally think it's between Mvp, Rain, and Life
Taeja doesn't have a chance in hell of beating Mvp or Rain in a BO7 in the finals IMO, and he'll be lucky to even advance pass Life (I think that's a possibility, but again I don't think he has a chance of doing that + winning the finals, just won't happen period)
I think people disregard MVP as "the best" because he's in a class all by himself. No one else holds 4 GSL titles as well as multiple 1st place finishes across many tournaments. Maybe we should say "best SC2 player (besides the IM GSL champs)". Better.
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote: I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too
I wish Zergs couldn't lose an entire game based on vortex. PvZ is lategame is quite frankly broken from both sides.
meh for a Pro it is easier to hit a neural than it is to split broods up a bit and not lose a whole army to a vortex but I do think it is dumb on both sides. I just have a Protoss bias
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote: I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too
I wish Zergs couldn't lose an entire game based on vortex. PvZ is lategame is quite frankly broken from both sides.
meh for a Pro it is easier to hit a neural than it is to split broods up a bit and not lose a whole army to a vortex but I do think it is dumb on both sides. I just have a Protoss bias
as a terran player i never knew why zergs don't just split up their brood lords more. for kespa zergs my guess is that late game zerg in ZvP is nothing like late game zerg in BW, but as for non-kespa zergs i'm not sure. I think part of it may be that if u spread them out too much then they become less effective and can be picked off, which is true to some extent, but when they just don't split them at all when a mothership is near im just comfused
Here are my hopes for Finals... HerO v Taeja (Oh come on what did you expect... gogo Team Liquid finals) Rain v Life (Royal Roaders FTW!!! Plus these two are the ones going in with the most hype) MKP v MVP (I would only like this if MKP wins 4-3 in one of the most epic finals imaginable Leenock v Taeja (epicness producing epicness to create epicness!!!)
Although these are my top picks in terms of games any finals this season would be epic! gogo Liquid! gogo HerO!
On September 28 2012 10:33 Hall0wed wrote: Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.
Life gonna 3-0 MKP
You seem to be a bit butt hurt.
Hero contained leenock on 3 bases still managed to loose. Squirtle allowed Leenock to have 5 for the majority of game 2. and still got his MS neuraled. Leenock clearly out played Squirtle.
I'll agree he arguably didn't out play Hero, though.
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote: Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote: Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now
taeja was already doing quite well 3 months ago. if anything, taeja has been a bit sloppy of late
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote: Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now
taeja was already doing quite well 3 months ago. if anything, taeja has been a bit sloppy of late
I can't believe you actually think that one week after winning DH and 3 days after getting into Code S ro8 (matching his best previous result).
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote: Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now
taeja was already doing quite well 3 months ago. if anything, taeja has been a bit sloppy of late
I can't believe you actually think that one week after winning DH and 3 days after getting into Code S ro8 (matching his best previous result).
look at the actual quality of his games; yes he did win DH and get into code S, but he got stomped by rain, beaten by nightend, and taken to 5 games by forgg, etc. he shouldn't be this sloppy
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote: Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now
taeja was already doing quite well 3 months ago. if anything, taeja has been a bit sloppy of late
I can't believe you actually think that one week after winning DH and 3 days after getting into Code S ro8 (matching his best previous result).
look at the actual quality of his games; yes he did win DH and get into code S, but he got stomped by rain, beaten by nightend, and taken to 5 games by forgg, etc. he shouldn't be this sloppy
To be fair, as the pure amount of games played goes higher in a short period of time, the more likely you are to see higher variance in quality of play. Taeja has been one of the most active SC2 professionals these last three months, him playing at or close to his peak would be very improbable.
I do agree that MKP might be the only Terran that would go into a matchup with Taeja as a favorite based on style and history though. But I think that the objections to Taeja could easily be made of MKP too, perhaps even to a larger degree. In the end, they have both done incredibly well to make it to the round of eight in the toughest Code S season to date. If they were to meet in the semi-finals that means they have dispatched of one more formidable opponent, and one would imagine that both would look to be on good form.
On September 28 2012 10:12 Doubting wrote: if MKP beats Life I will eat my phone, delete my TL account and never watch SC2 again
Life looks great, but MKP is no pushover for anyone(save MVP). So ill give it a good 50/50 chance for you to delete your account and stop exicting for us.