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[Code S] Ro16 Group B Recap

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September 27th, 2012 23:52 GMT
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Code S Ro16: Group B Recap


By: Porcelina

Leenock triumphs
- (Z)FXOLeenock reaches the final eight with wins over HerO and Squirtle.


It has been a long time since we last saw Leenock in the round of eight in Code S. Prior to last night, Leenock had been on a rough ride in Korean competition. Even though he lost to Jjakji in the Code S November 2011 finals, it was expected that he would be a solid contender in all of 2012. However, he couldn't get past the wall of the Ro16, and even his performances in supposedly easier international competition dropped off for much of 2012. However, Leenock made a late-summer recovery, rallying his team to a GSTL championship and grabbing himself a second MLG championship at Raleigh, and had built up momentum heading into this Ro16 group.

The group selection was not the kindest to Leenock. While it is a badge of honor to be among the last set of players picked, his opponents looked like the sort that had given him trouble since November of last year: two Protoss players with impeccable reputations for their PvZs alongside a loose cannon Terran player whom he would probably only be facing in the loser’s match – not an easy task for any Zerg. With Leenock’s history of having a shaky ZvP, it looked like the Zerg had drawn the short end of the stick.

(P)Liquid`HerO vs. Leenock has given us some memorable games in the past; in season two HerO was just about able to edge out the FXO player in what would be HerO’s breakout Code S performance. On the other hand, Leenock beat HerO in the ace match between FXO and the now defunct oGs-TL in GSTL S1. All games featured what one has come to expect out of the two players, tons of action, constant aggression and things happening all over the map.

This season’s showdown neither surprised nor disappointed in that regard; Leenock started out strong when HerO missed his timing to execute a cannon rush successfully on his third in the first game. The Protoss followed it up with a seven gate, meeting some success but ultimately Leenock stabilized, took his fourth and overran HerO with lings, roaches and infestors.

Game two saw the fireworks start to go off. Eschewing his usual pick of Entombed Valley for Cloud Kingdom, the game followed the trend of having Leenock teching up behind aggression while HerO defended and counterattacked. With a spire sniped early on, Leenock relied on twelve existing mutalisks for both map control and for harass. But as the day of the mutalisks came to an end, HerO was the one denying bases and expanding. In the end, the sheer multitasking of HerO prevailed, the Protoss able to stretch Leenock’s forces too thin while setting up two flanks to kill off stranded brood lords and snipe infestors.

The decider came on Antiga Shipyard, a pick in line with other top Zergs in the tournament. In the round of 32, Symbol chose the map as his loser’s pick against HerO, almost engineering a victory despite getting battered by HerO's harassment all game. We saw the same type of game play out once again, though perhaps on a higher level. Leenock was never able to secure a fourth and struggled to force favorable trades with his lings and roaches. However, he seldom wasted his gas units, and built up a formidable infestor/brood lord composition while HerO invested a lot in his harassment. While Symbol vs. HerO ended when the Zerg had his army picked slowly apart as it was trying to deal a deathblow to the Protoss, Leenock was more frugal. He was able to encroach upon HerO’s map control and managed to decisively turn the game in his favor with a neuraled mothership vortexing the majority of the Protoss army.

In the winners match, Leenock moved on to face (P)ST_Squirtle. The two games were more straightforward than the previous encounter with HerO. On Ohana, Leenock’s ten pool was able to cancel a building Nexus. With momentum on his side, he repeated much of what was seen in his first game of the night on Daybreak, never relenting from attacking until Squirtle had no option but to surrender.

Cloud Kingdom once again was the trickier map for Leenock. He fell behind to Squirtle’s Colossus based aggression, but sacrificed what he could afford to and put together another infestor-brood lord army. Squirtle failed to execute the same kind of flanks that let HerO take apart the Zerg army, and it cost him dearly. Once again Leenock was able to land a crucial neural parasite, leveraging his superb army control and immense infestor count to sweep the Startale Protoss.

(Z)FXOLeenock looked superb in advancing. It has become evident that some progamers change their stated favorite matchup as often as most people change socks, but Leenock did not joke around when he said he was currently favoring ZvP. He showcased the old Leenock style of unrelenting attacks in his first games against both opponents, but added to that a frustratingly patient late game that we have not seen too often from him before. His army control, always impressive, translates well to the late game style that defeated HerO on Antiga and Squirtle on Cloud Kingdom.

However, perhaps more interesting was his attention to what to fight over. He looked like a player who knew exactly how to win, opting to sacrifice the non-integral parts of his game plan while focusing on what really mattered: the unstoppable brood lord - infestor army. He played Antiga Shipyard, in a position where he was clearly behind in all categories, except the fact that he had a terrifying army that HerO would be forced to confront at some point in the game. While Leenock has previously looked like a player inherently more comfortable on the offensive rather than defensive, this new strength will mean that he is even stronger than before.

Last Action HerO
- Falling to the loser’s match after a 1-2 against Leenock, (P)Liquid`HerO advances with wins over Heart and Squirtle.


Many progamers look to be fearless competitors, never fazed by unlucky losses, always staying calm and collected. I daresay not many people would include HerO in this category. After seeing his reaction to losing to Leenock, one had to wonder just how the rest of the group would play out for the Liquid Protoss.

However, perhaps it is time to re-evaluate some of the commonly accepted truths about HerO’s mentality. While he did look devastated after his loss to Leenock, it should be remembered that on his way to securing a spot in the semi-finals of Code S Season 2, he was in the same situation. He had lost his first match in the round of 32, looked nothing like a player on the brink of making himself a household name in Code S. But both times, he was able to find some inner strength to bounce back.

It has to be stated that his series against Leenock was gorgeous. He may have lost, but both players looked to be on form and in the last two games, HerO played some of his best PvZ. But while he won most of the battles, he lost the war against the re-invented Leenock and found himself facing elimination going up against Heart.

While (T)coL.Heart is definitely a player capable of multiple styles, but the losers match saw him return to his much maligned caricature as BitbyBit the 2nd. However, HerO showed impressive stability in his early game PvT. On Ohana, he lost his natural to the first 1/1/1 attack but stabilized, getting three phoenixes just in time to crush the follow up marine/tank/banshee attack designed to breach his main. On Antiga, Heart opted for a hellion drop combined with marine pressure at the natural. HerO’s defense was stellar, taking no damage in the main while killing off the marine forces on the natural before being in any real danger. Miles ahead, he went straight up to a single colossus and pushed. Heart, cutting corners while trying to catch up in economy, had next to no defense and had to gg when HerO walked up the ramp, force fielded the Terran army in the main and devastated the expansion.

As predicted by Gom, it all came down to ‘If I can just defeat ST_Squirtle’ for HerO, as featured in the pre-match promotional videos. Very few would have held HerO as a favorite going into this matchup; he looked like the inferior PvP player in just about every aspect when Squirtle secured his spot in the finals in Season 2 with a crushing 3 - 0 sweep. However, HerO has found more confidence in his abilities in the Protoss mirror since then and it probably helped that he was able to defeat Squirtle in the online MLG qualifier for the Summer Spring Arena.

In short, the series was the best PvP HerO had ever played in the GSL. In the first game, his four gate stargate attack upon scouting Squirtle’s expansion was well thought out and well executed. The game seemed to stand on a razor’s edge for a long time, with Squirtle constantly looking to be on the verge of stabilizing, but just not quite capable of locking things down. In the end, HerO was finally able to translate his superb micro into victory.

On Entombed Valley, HerO once again looked to get an advantage in the build order department. Going fast blink against Stargate, he contained Squirtle inside his own natural, defended the phoenix harass and used his blink-stalker advantage to outplay Squirtle in a way that seemed impossible months ago.

Securing Liquid’s second spot in the round of eight should go a long way to make up for recent disappointments abroad and an abysmal previous Code S season. It does remain to be seen whether HerO’s victory over Squirtle means that his PvP will be up to the standard of his opponent in By.Sun, widely acknowledged as the best KeSPA player.

Perhaps most significantly, HerO looked improved in less tangible ways than just gameplay. It is always a good sign to be able to come back from the loser’s bracket, especially so for a player whose nerves have been an issue in the past. Of course, HerO has not looked as solid in foreign tournaments as his fans would have hoped, but since losing to MMA last season, his play in the GSL has been stronger and more solid. Self confidence has always been a crucial component of any champion, and self confidence has been a trait we have seen more defined in the HerO of GSL Season 4 than ever before.

- The best loser

Squirtle had a frustrating evening. It follows what is becoming a rather long line of frustrating evening for the Startale player. A rather new introduction to the Kong line, Squirtle has shown a consistency in not quite making it both in Korea and in foreign tournaments. With his statement that he wants to break Startale’s string of second places, his elimination will be a bitter pill to swallow. Going into the matches against both Leenock and HerO as a favorite makes it worse; he had previously beaten both in GSL Season 2 without losing any maps. He showed his trademark solid PvT and refusal to die when behind against Heart, but was outplayed by Leenock and lost in similarly disappointing fashion against HerO.

Pending how the rest of Code S plays out, Squirtle will probably still be considered as the most solid Protoss player. There is little doubt that he has strong points unrivalled by most. However, he will feel even more pressure to finally land his first gold.

- Heart, the Onion-Cheese King.

Heart has been an interesting part of this season’s Code S. There is no doubt that he is cheesier than what we are used to these days. Of course, with the heralded return of his predecessor BitbyBit as the ruler of the nation of SCV-pull, he might lose the title of Cheese Terran.

On the other hand, Heart gets very little credit for what he has been able to accomplish. Looking at his MLG results and his fantastic WCG Korea run, there is no doubt that he can play a macro game. What is undoubtedly better than being a solid macro player is being a solid macro player that no-one dares to cut corners against. With slightly better decision making or army control, he should have been able to convert his early game advantages against Squirtle into a win and a chance to take on Leenock for advancement.

While he was not able to make it out against the trio of Squirtle, HerO and Leenock, there can be no doubt that he is a very real threat to his fellow Code S players. Heart has come a long way in a short time; it is not long ago since he was not even recognized as the best player on Complexity. Now, he is a true wildcard of the GSL with an unrivalled ability to blind counter opponent’s default strategies against him. Not every spectator will appreciate his style, but it is easy to be fascinated by a player who has been able to polarize his play to a degree where he can dictate opponent’s reactions to such a degree.

Random Facts!

  1. This season, only Life has been able to advance from a group without losing a single map.
  2. Nestea was the only player of this season’s Code S to not win a single map.
  3. Round of 16 had twice as many players finish 0-4 as Round of 32.
  4. Polt has lost the most games of any player in Code S this season.
  5. Life has the best win ratio thus far this season, going 8-1 for an 89% win rate.
  6. Zerg is 42-37 in games.
  7. Protoss is 49-46 in games.
  8. Terran is 59-67 in games.
  9. Symbol and Leenock were the only players to advance from a group by reverse killing their opponent.
  10. KeSPA is currently 10-7 in Code S.





Writers: Porcelina.
Graphics and Art: Meko.
Editors: Waxangel.
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Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
September 27 2012 23:55 GMT
#2
Nice writeup, wish I had woken up earlier to watch the good games.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28085 Posts
September 28 2012 00:01 GMT
#3
Great games. I hope Hero continues to do well
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 28 2012 00:04 GMT
#4
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.

wait -> how can they all be positive? :o

otherwise, good job!
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
September 28 2012 00:04 GMT
#5
On September 28 2012 09:04 opterown wrote:
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.

wait -> how can they all be positive? :o

otherwise, good job!


this was the only thing that stuck out to me in this entire article
can i get my estro logo back pls
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
September 28 2012 00:06 GMT
#6
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.


I just woke up, so excuse me if I'm being stupid, but wut?
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
September 28 2012 00:07 GMT
#7
On September 28 2012 09:04 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 09:04 opterown wrote:
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.

wait -> how can they all be positive? :o

otherwise, good job!


this was the only thing that stuck out to me in this entire article


Because blindness turns 67 into 57.

tt
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
September 28 2012 00:10 GMT
#8
PvP
TvZ
TvZ
TvZ
What the Heck!
Rain>HerO
MVP<Symbol
Leenock<Taeja
Life<MKP

Rain>Symbol
Taeja<MKP(reallly tough to say)

Rain>MKP

Gratz KESPA
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
September 28 2012 00:16 GMT
#9
No Squirtle!!! I can't believe you're out already. So sad.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
SourPatchParent
Profile Joined October 2011
United States44 Posts
September 28 2012 00:29 GMT
#10
On September 28 2012 09:10 Cricketer12 wrote:
PvP
TvZ
TvZ
TvZ
What the Heck!
Rain>HerO
MVP<Symbol
Leenock<Taeja
Life<MKP

Rain>Symbol
Taeja<MKP(reallly tough to say)

Rain>MKP

Gratz KESPA


Aw come on now, Giving MKP another Silver :<
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Dragonspear
Profile Joined April 2011
United States28 Posts
September 28 2012 00:41 GMT
#11
Hero>Rain

MVP>Symbol

Taeja>Leenock

MKP>Life

MVP>Hero

Taeja>MKP

MVP WINS #5!
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
September 28 2012 00:59 GMT
#12
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.
tylerf
Profile Joined March 2012
739 Posts
September 28 2012 01:00 GMT
#13
Damnit Squirtle....
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
September 28 2012 01:01 GMT
#14
hero > rain
mvp > symbol
taeja > leenock
life > mkp


hero > mvp
taeja > life

hero x taeja (it does not matter :D )

TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
September 28 2012 01:07 GMT
#15
Foxer's gold will fill the hole in my heart that Nestea left in it almost a year ago.

I WANT YOOOOOUUUUUU TO TAKE OVER MEEEE
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
September 28 2012 01:12 GMT
#16
if MKP beats Life I will eat my phone, delete my TL account and never watch SC2 again
Life: The New Champion!!
theseraph
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
September 28 2012 01:15 GMT
#17
life lost a map to seed. great write up otherwise!
Some motherfuckers always tryina skate uphill.
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
September 28 2012 01:20 GMT
#18
I wonder of wax angel comes up with these random facts.
Save me from myself
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
September 28 2012 01:30 GMT
#19
nestea =( goes from the only player to not lose a single match to being the only player not to win =/
Sc2 always got your back
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 28 2012 01:33 GMT
#20
Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.

Life gonna 3-0 MKP
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BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
September 28 2012 01:41 GMT
#21
So how long before BW players get referred to by their SC2 name? Seriously knock it off.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
September 28 2012 01:46 GMT
#22
Yaaaaay HerO! :-D Two TL's in Round of 8! And it's so stacked too, goodness!! :-O

....Still hoping for an Mvp > MKP finals.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
September 28 2012 01:46 GMT
#23
On September 28 2012 10:12 Doubting wrote:
if MKP beats Life I will eat my phone, delete my TL account and never watch SC2 again


He's good, I'll grant you that, and he is on a serious hot streak lately too.

But, contrary to your name the one indubious fact in the universe is the might of Foxer. He is the king of marines and he has risen once again to strike fear into the heart of all but his mortal enemy MVP.

Praise be to MKP, for he is mighty indeed.



Na, it'd be an upset if he beats life.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
September 28 2012 01:47 GMT
#24
The only thing I read from this is that leenock cheesed squirtle out of a win. And people call heart a cheesy player when leenock exists?
Save me from myself
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 28 2012 01:50 GMT
#25
On September 28 2012 10:12 Doubting wrote:
if MKP beats Life I will eat my phone, delete my TL account and never watch SC2 again

haha, hope he does then
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 28 2012 01:56 GMT
#26
On September 28 2012 09:06 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.


I just woke up, so excuse me if I'm being stupid, but wut?


Call me confused.

Maybe mirror matchups affected something?
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
September 28 2012 01:58 GMT
#27
On September 28 2012 10:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 09:06 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.


I just woke up, so excuse me if I'm being stupid, but wut?


Call me confused.

Maybe mirror matchups affected something?


There is a typo obviously...
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
IhateBunkers
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand78 Posts
September 28 2012 02:00 GMT
#28
BITBYBITTTTT!!!!!! only my favorite terran to touch the key board and grace this game with his presences.

Go Leenock and HerO to make the finals!
Leenock------SuperNova------HerO------YongHwa
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 28 2012 02:02 GMT
#29
On September 28 2012 10:33 Hall0wed wrote:
Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.

Life gonna 3-0 MKP

It's okay, Squirtle still has three months to prove your sig true.
ooDi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada170 Posts
September 28 2012 02:03 GMT
#30
The numbers don't make sense?
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kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
September 28 2012 02:05 GMT
#31
On September 28 2012 10:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 09:06 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.


I just woke up, so excuse me if I'm being stupid, but wut?


Call me confused.

Maybe mirror matchups affected something?

you are more than confused.....
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
September 28 2012 02:07 GMT
#32
your math is wrong, but other than that...
Good Article!
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peragon
Profile Joined October 2011
United States15 Posts
September 28 2012 02:07 GMT
#33
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote:
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.


MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.
Byun: Terran's Future, Today.
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
September 28 2012 02:09 GMT
#34
On September 28 2012 10:47 brokenLoL wrote:
The only thing I read from this is that leenock cheesed squirtle out of a win. And people call heart a cheesy player when leenock exists?


Meh, both players cheese a lot and both know how to play a damn good macro game. Both are pretty damn dangerous too if you ask me.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 28 2012 02:13 GMT
#35
On September 28 2012 11:02 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 10:33 Hall0wed wrote:
Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.

Life gonna 3-0 MKP

It's okay, Squirtle still has three months to prove your sig true.


T_T

I think he was much better during January-May... but I won't give up hope. I think he could be pretty well off if he can practice enough to get his way into the RO4, playing the last 2 rounds without much time between them seems like it could be good for him. Much easier said than done of course.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 28 2012 02:39 GMT
#36
the 2 finals i would like:
Leenock vs Mvp
Marineking vs Rain
among players I like those seem the most appealing to my tastes :D
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Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
September 28 2012 02:51 GMT
#37
Gotta say i loved HerO's games even the ones he lost vs Leenock.
Grats to Leenock and HerO, sorry but Squirtle's play might be solid and all it's also rather boring to watch.
ColA-
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada66 Posts
September 28 2012 03:00 GMT
#38
Damn I hope MKP actually beats MVP. Rains pretty cool though.
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Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
September 28 2012 03:17 GMT
#39
I want Leenock v MVP >_<;
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 28 2012 03:22 GMT
#40
On September 28 2012 11:07 peragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote:
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.


MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.

5-1*
also 2-0 in code s as well
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
September 28 2012 03:27 GMT
#41
On September 28 2012 12:22 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 11:07 peragon wrote:
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote:
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.


MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.

5-1*
also 2-0 in code s as well


Haha.

I like the second statement. Seeing that on the very same day, Taeja won 2-0 as well.

But MKP in general seems like one of the few Terrans (along perhaps with Ganzi back in the SlayerS days) that has a solid edge on Taeja.
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
September 28 2012 03:46 GMT
#42
On September 28 2012 10:33 Hall0wed wrote:
Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.

Life gonna 3-0 MKP

I have to agree on game 1, Leenock was so far behind. Squirtle got outplayed in the most important parts of the game.
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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
September 28 2012 03:53 GMT
#43
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.


Code S players are so good that they break math!

10 more wins than losses. So, which race actually has the losing record?
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
September 28 2012 03:55 GMT
#44
On September 28 2012 12:53 jakethesnake wrote:
Show nested quote +
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.


Code S players are so good that they break math!

10 more wins than losses. So, which race actually has the losing record?


It is Terran with 59-67.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 28 2012 03:58 GMT
#45
On September 28 2012 11:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
the 2 finals i would like:
Leenock vs Mvp
Marineking vs Rain
among players I like those seem the most appealing to my tastes :D


No, Leenock vs. MVP is the only acceptable final. I was hoping Leenock would finish 1st so that this were a possibility so now it must happen.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 28 2012 04:00 GMT
#46
On September 28 2012 12:27 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 12:22 opterown wrote:
On September 28 2012 11:07 peragon wrote:
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote:
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.


MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.

5-1*
also 2-0 in code s as well


Haha.

I like the second statement. Seeing that on the very same day, Taeja won 2-0 as well.

But MKP in general seems like one of the few Terrans (along perhaps with Ganzi back in the SlayerS days) that has a solid edge on Taeja.

taeja didn't beat mkp, he beat tiltkingprime
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
September 28 2012 04:17 GMT
#47
HerO > Rain
Mvp > Symbol
Leenock > Taeja
MKP > Life

Semis:
Mvp > HerO
Leenock > MKP

Finals:
Mvp 4:3 Leenock :D
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Eruism
Profile Joined December 2011
United States312 Posts
September 28 2012 04:21 GMT
#48
MKP 3:0 Life
PartinG MarineKing Mvp Polt Keen ByuN <3
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
September 28 2012 04:23 GMT
#49
Hero crushed leenock in all categories for 20 minutes on Antigua. You shouldn't have to at perfectly for so long just to lose to the stupidity that is Zerg late game. I love leenock but that game really stood out to me last night as complete bs
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
September 28 2012 04:27 GMT
#50
HerO>Rain
MVPTaeja>Leenock
MKP
HerO>Symbol
Taeja>Life

Liquid wins
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holladoub
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada32 Posts
September 28 2012 04:29 GMT
#51
in all these comments, no one gives credit to mkp, hes silver medalist 3 times and life is 16, mkp tzv is weak in post zerg patch era but it still mkp
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
September 28 2012 04:33 GMT
#52
so glad hero and leenock made it.
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Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
September 28 2012 04:41 GMT
#53
On September 28 2012 10:12 Doubting wrote:
if MKP beats Life I will eat my phone, delete my TL account and never watch SC2 again

Lol were gonna miss you!
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Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
September 28 2012 04:53 GMT
#54
So much TvZ

Hoping Rain takes this.
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DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
September 28 2012 05:22 GMT
#55
On September 28 2012 12:53 jakethesnake wrote:
Show nested quote +
Zerg is 42-37 in games.
Protoss is 49-46 in games.
Terran is 59-57 in games.


Code S players are so good that they break math!

10 more wins than losses. So, which race actually has the losing record?


Maybe those aren't percentages, but games won and lost?
Aber
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden332 Posts
September 28 2012 05:29 GMT
#56
On September 28 2012 09:41 Dragonspear wrote:
Hero>Rain

MVP>Symbol

Taeja>Leenock

MKP>Life

MVP>Hero

Taeja>MKP

MVP WINS #5!




MVP , MKP , MVP make up your damn mind :D
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Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 06:06:09
September 28 2012 06:04 GMT
#57
Hero>Rain
______________MVP>Hero
MVP>Symbol
___________________________Taeja>MVP
Taeja>Leenock
______________Taeja>Life
Life>MKP
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 28 2012 06:09 GMT
#58
I love MKP (no homo, or maybe a little), but if you think he'll 3-0 Life just like that, you're fooling yourself. MKP was the most scared of Life out of any player in the Ro16, and Life is on a really hot streak right now. If anything, it might be the other way around.
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laerteis
Profile Joined August 2012
United States78 Posts
September 28 2012 06:35 GMT
#59
Leenock vs Hero g3: my love of starcraft was fungaled by this game.
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Mr_Z
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa88 Posts
September 28 2012 07:05 GMT
#60
gratz to Leenock and HerO for advancing but yesterday showed me just how broken the PvZ late game is, great play by Leenock tho, some great infestor play won him that series.
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
September 28 2012 07:42 GMT
#61
On September 28 2012 10:15 theseraph wrote:
life lost a map to seed. great write up otherwise!

I think he means a whole bo3!
I prefict Life, Rain (even though i love hero), Taeja and MVP!
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SpunXtain03
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia66 Posts
September 28 2012 08:10 GMT
#62
Hero 1 - 2 Rain
MVP 1 - 2 Symbol
Taeja 2 - 0 Leenock
Life 2 - 0 MKP


Rain 3 - 1 Symbol
Taeja 3 - 2 Life

Rain 4 - 2 Taeja
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 28 2012 08:31 GMT
#63
I may be alone in this, but I hope a zvz finals actually happens. The quality of that match up has been incredible as of late. Last seasons gstl zvz matches showcase this pretty well I do think.
gplayer
Profile Joined March 2011
Romania106 Posts
September 28 2012 08:38 GMT
#64
Go Leenock! Or should I say... Lee Nucky? :D (boardwalk empire)
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 09:08:29
September 28 2012 09:08 GMT
#65
On September 28 2012 16:42 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 10:15 theseraph wrote:
life lost a map to seed. great write up otherwise!

I think he means a whole bo3!
I prefict Life, Rain (even though i love hero), Taeja and MVP!

No,I think they mean Life was the only one to advance from a group with a perfect score (in the Ro32) but your interpretation also right.
I don't even dare to predict any match nw, they could all go to the final set. All these players are just sick good.
Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
September 28 2012 09:09 GMT
#66
MKP's next silver to be denied by MVP in finals yet again?? one can only lol
antel0pe
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore24 Posts
September 28 2012 09:25 GMT
#67
really want to see a TvT finals, didn't like the 2 hour bo9 between MC and Seed last season >.< its not exciting to watch imo.
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kugel
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany116 Posts
September 28 2012 09:26 GMT
#68
MKP Fighting !
He would deserve a GSL Titel sooo much... after losing twice to MVP etc... he is no longer the king of kongs but Life is a very good zerg indeed. just when i think of the MKP Symbol Series last season its gonna be hard but doable . But maybe MechKingPrime can do it :D
gogo MKP !
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
September 28 2012 09:29 GMT
#69
I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 10:17:12
September 28 2012 10:09 GMT
#70
On September 27 2012 23:10 HaXXspetten wrote:
Really sad HerO won the last series, but oh well ;_;


Ro8 predictions:

Rain 3-0 HerO
Mvp 3-2 Symbol
TaeJa 3-1 Leenock
Life 3-0 MarineKing

Rain 3-1 Mvp
Life 3-2 TaeJa

Rain 4-2 Life



On September 28 2012 19:11 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote:
I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!


His recent performance definitely hasn't been as dominant as before, but that was bound to happen. Players simply don't stay dominant that long. Some people see that as a bad thing but to me it's just a good indication of the high level of competition that exists.

ever heard of a group of people called Bonjwas?
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
September 28 2012 10:11 GMT
#71
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote:
I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!


His recent performance definitely hasn't been as dominant as before, but that was bound to happen. Players simply don't stay dominant that long. Some people see that as a bad thing but to me it's just a good indication of the high level of competition that exists.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 28 2012 10:19 GMT
#72
Her0!!!

Everyone predicting against MKP..
Please please win!
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zyrene
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines8 Posts
September 28 2012 10:34 GMT
#73
On September 28 2012 10:12 Doubting wrote:
if MKP beats Life I will eat my phone, delete my TL account and never watch SC2 again


I will be watching you. :D but hey there is something with MKP that makes your root for him. I don't understand it either but gogogo MKP!!!
Mosoball
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland686 Posts
September 28 2012 11:30 GMT
#74
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote:
I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!

After those games against Rain I feel Taeja really noticed what went wrong. If anyone has watched him lately you must've noticed the addition of missile turrets, sometimes bunkers at third, small groups of units at home patroling for drops/runbys etc (of course depends in regards of match-ups). I really feel this period of "not-so-much-dominant Taeja" is a transitionary period, and Taeja developing and perfecting his style. Also, after the games against By.sun, many players (MaNa yesterday for example, Sase, etc.) have utilized storm drops and storms in general against Taeja, apparently seeing that as his weak point, to no avail.

He has won pretty much everything lately anyway, just has dropped some maps against a number of players. In team leagues this droppage of maps is of course fatal. But even as Taeja fan, I have to credit By.sun and admit he is going to have an advantage if it comes to these two meeting. The state of PvT lategame with Protoss having the edge in splash and the current meta of playing strong macro games really keeps terrans on razors edge.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 28 2012 11:35 GMT
#75
On September 28 2012 19:09 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 23:10 HaXXspetten wrote:
Really sad HerO won the last series, but oh well ;_;


Ro8 predictions:

Rain 3-0 HerO
Mvp 3-2 Symbol
TaeJa 3-1 Leenock
Life 3-0 MarineKing

Rain 3-1 Mvp
Life 3-2 TaeJa

Rain 4-2 Life



Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 19:11 Fragile51 wrote:
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote:
I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!


His recent performance definitely hasn't been as dominant as before, but that was bound to happen. Players simply don't stay dominant that long. Some people see that as a bad thing but to me it's just a good indication of the high level of competition that exists.

ever heard of a group of people called Bonjwas?

Yea I heard how there's 0 in sc2
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Xenogears
Profile Joined July 2011
France87 Posts
September 28 2012 12:24 GMT
#76
Life - Mvp in the finals.

You heard it here first.
MVP :)
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 28 2012 12:27 GMT
#77
On September 28 2012 20:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 19:09 HaXXspetten wrote:
On September 27 2012 23:10 HaXXspetten wrote:
Really sad HerO won the last series, but oh well ;_;


Ro8 predictions:

Rain 3-0 HerO
Mvp 3-2 Symbol
TaeJa 3-1 Leenock
Life 3-0 MarineKing

Rain 3-1 Mvp
Life 3-2 TaeJa

Rain 4-2 Life



On September 28 2012 19:11 Fragile51 wrote:
On September 28 2012 18:29 Incomplet wrote:
I feel as if Taeja is getting figured out in Korea. He plays very greedy with usually some kind of small early push, and players are learning to put pressure on after deflecting his first push to punish his greediness. Then later in the game, Taeja is very weak to harassment such as ling run bys and warp prism. I feel he will make the finals, but Sun will be crowned the champion of both Gsl and Osl achieving the Royal Road!


His recent performance definitely hasn't been as dominant as before, but that was bound to happen. Players simply don't stay dominant that long. Some people see that as a bad thing but to me it's just a good indication of the high level of competition that exists.

ever heard of a group of people called Bonjwas?

Yea I heard how there's 0 in sc2

mind blown
zerosc2 is the first sc2 bonjwa
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 28 2012 12:31 GMT
#78
Well, thats not a huge surprise to any of us in the know.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
September 28 2012 13:13 GMT
#79
I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
September 28 2012 13:35 GMT
#80
On September 28 2012 22:13 Ragnarork wrote:
I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)

what if he isn't the best player in the world?
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
September 28 2012 15:46 GMT
#81
On September 28 2012 22:35 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 22:13 Ragnarork wrote:
I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)

what if he isn't the best player in the world?

at the moment, in sc2, he pretty much is
mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
September 28 2012 15:52 GMT
#82
Ro of 8 is:
Rain > Hero
MVP > Symbol
Leenock > Taeja
Life > MKP

Ro of 4 is:
Rain > MVP (as sad as I am to say it b/c MVP is my favorite player, with Rain becoming my favorite protoss - he is hands down the best stormer on the planet)
Life > Leenock

Finals:
Life > Rain (I hope Rain beats Life - however - with the slow moving ball of death with spines, infestor and brood lord - what can beat that? I cannot yet think how a toss can overcome that and break it. Toss air is SO weak its embarrassing to even built carriers or void rays. Even with a perfect unit composition the fungals, neural on mother ship, infested terran and brood lords raining hell down - that combo is, as of right now, impossible for protoss to beat. You can play well all game like Hero did vs Leenock and still lose to that combo in the end. As I said, I'll be rooting for Rain or MVP the whole way.
Aando
Profile Joined August 2011
1304 Posts
September 28 2012 15:54 GMT
#83
On September 29 2012 00:46 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 22:35 HaXXspetten wrote:
On September 28 2012 22:13 Ragnarork wrote:
I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)

what if he isn't the best player in the world?

at the moment, in sc2, he pretty much is

Not really. It's still to early tell since we havent seen enough of him but still, I think by.Rain very well could be that. From what I've seen from Taeja he seems to be very weak against mid/late-game harass in TvP. I'm not sure if it's the multitasking or something else, but it is something.

Anyway... imo there is no clear contender for the title of the best sc2 player atm.
Sacrilege
Profile Joined December 2011
United States199 Posts
September 28 2012 16:03 GMT
#84
I think Life will defenitly roll right over MKP. As for HerO vs. Rain, I can't really say. I'm cheering for HerO though! Great write up.
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AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 16:13:22
September 28 2012 16:11 GMT
#85
Sad to see Heart fallout, it's so refreshing to see his ultra aggressive style. With him playing you know you don't need to wait 10 minutes before things heat up.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
September 28 2012 16:29 GMT
#86
I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
September 28 2012 17:27 GMT
#87
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote:
I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too

I wish Zergs couldn't lose an entire game based on vortex.
PvZ is lategame is quite frankly broken from both sides.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
September 28 2012 19:51 GMT
#88
On September 29 2012 00:54 Aando wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 00:46 Tanzklaue wrote:
On September 28 2012 22:35 HaXXspetten wrote:
On September 28 2012 22:13 Ragnarork wrote:
I just want Taeja to win this, and finally get the "Best player in the world" title. (I feel having a GSL title gives a lot of credit to this title, and this season's especially....)

what if he isn't the best player in the world?

at the moment, in sc2, he pretty much is

Not really.


Taeja is really good, and certainly among the current top line with Squirtle, Seed, Symbol, Leenock, Byun et cetera, I don't think he's the best.

Yes, he crushed a lot of mostly foreign tournaments lately, and his all-kills against e.g. IM was impressive, but the competition for the "best player" title is just too ridiculous, especially with the godly Rain descending from the heavens of BW to stomp some SC2. Let him win at least one GSL before deciding, okay?
maru G5L pls
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
September 28 2012 19:52 GMT
#89
On September 29 2012 00:52 mhael wrote:
Ro of 8 is:
Rain > Hero
MVP > Symbol
Leenock > Taeja
Life > MKP

Ro of 4 is:
Rain > MVP (as sad as I am to say it b/c MVP is my favorite player, with Rain becoming my favorite protoss - he is hands down the best stormer on the planet)
Life > Leenock

Finals:
Life > Rain (I hope Rain beats Life - however - with the slow moving ball of death with spines, infestor and brood lord - what can beat that? I cannot yet think how a toss can overcome that and break it. Toss air is SO weak its embarrassing to even built carriers or void rays. Even with a perfect unit composition the fungals, neural on mother ship, infested terran and brood lords raining hell down - that combo is, as of right now, impossible for protoss to beat. You can play well all game like Hero did vs Leenock and still lose to that combo in the end. As I said, I'll be rooting for Rain or MVP the whole way.

Look at the Korean win rate in ZvP then say that again -_-
Life: The New Champion!!
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
September 28 2012 19:56 GMT
#90
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote:
I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too

These posts make me laugh. For the longest time Zergs complained the same thing about vortex (to no recognition from toss players) and now that it is happening to toss players it is quite funny ^^.
Life: The New Champion!!
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
September 28 2012 20:14 GMT
#91
On September 29 2012 04:56 Doubting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote:
I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too

These posts make me laugh. For the longest time Zergs complained the same thing about vortex (to no recognition from toss players) and now that it is happening to toss players it is quite funny ^^.


I can't but agree. The mothership is not a fun unit. I think it's bad to make one unit so very important - it's the same with colossus, I think. They should be smaller, do less damage and be cheaper.
maru G5L pls
Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
September 28 2012 20:51 GMT
#92
If Taeja wins this GSL he should definitely be considered one, if not, the best SC2 player of 2012. With so many great top level players floating around, he's definitely been the most consistent. Then again with players like Mvp, Life, Leenock and now Rain, it will be hard to take this GSL.
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Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
September 28 2012 21:47 GMT
#93
It's funny how Mvp is still not making these "best SC2 players in the world lists" dispite being by far the most consistant player at winning absolutely everything dispite his wrist injuries. He won season 2, got RO16, and is now in RO8 and he is still the underdog against absolutely everyone for whatever reason I'll never understand.

I think Mvp could win the next 2 GSLs and people still wouldn't predict him to advance.

I personally think it's between Mvp, Rain, and Life

Taeja doesn't have a chance in hell of beating Mvp or Rain in a BO7 in the finals IMO, and he'll be lucky to even advance pass Life (I think that's a possibility, but again I don't think he has a chance of doing that + winning the finals, just won't happen period)
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erdemcan
Profile Joined August 2012
Turkey8 Posts
September 28 2012 22:09 GMT
#94
stephano to win it
Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
September 29 2012 00:37 GMT
#95
I think people disregard MVP as "the best" because he's in a class all by himself. No one else holds 4 GSL titles as well as multiple 1st place finishes across many tournaments. Maybe we should say "best SC2 player (besides the IM GSL champs)". Better.
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LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 01:39:05
September 29 2012 01:38 GMT
#96
Nice article! ^^

Predictions...

Rain 3-1 HerO
Symbol 3-2 Mvp
Leenock 3-2 TaeJa
Life 3-0 MKP

Rain 3-1 Symbol
Life 3-0 Leenock

Life 4-3 Rain

Gogo! : )
hmm... let's think about it
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
September 29 2012 02:54 GMT
#97
On September 29 2012 02:27 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote:
I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too

I wish Zergs couldn't lose an entire game based on vortex.
PvZ is lategame is quite frankly broken from both sides.

meh for a Pro it is easier to hit a neural than it is to split broods up a bit and not lose a whole army to a vortex but I do think it is dumb on both sides. I just have a Protoss bias
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
September 29 2012 04:12 GMT
#98
On September 29 2012 11:54 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 02:27 Assirra wrote:
On September 29 2012 01:29 mrtomjones wrote:
I really wish a Protoss couldn't lose an entire game based on neural parasite.. I can't wait for HOTS to fix that... It seems like Zergs are getting better at focusing on that too

I wish Zergs couldn't lose an entire game based on vortex.
PvZ is lategame is quite frankly broken from both sides.

meh for a Pro it is easier to hit a neural than it is to split broods up a bit and not lose a whole army to a vortex but I do think it is dumb on both sides. I just have a Protoss bias

as a terran player i never knew why zergs don't just split up their brood lords more. for kespa zergs my guess is that late game zerg in ZvP is nothing like late game zerg in BW, but as for non-kespa zergs i'm not sure. I think part of it may be that if u spread them out too much then they become less effective and can be picked off, which is true to some extent, but when they just don't split them at all when a mothership is near im just comfused
hmm... let's think about it
Frostlone
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia75 Posts
September 29 2012 10:02 GMT
#99
Here are my hopes for Finals...
HerO v Taeja (Oh come on what did you expect... gogo Team Liquid finals)
Rain v Life (Royal Roaders FTW!!! Plus these two are the ones going in with the most hype)
MKP v MVP (I would only like this if MKP wins 4-3 in one of the most epic finals imaginable
Leenock v Taeja (epicness producing epicness to create epicness!!!)

Although these are my top picks in terms of games any finals this season would be epic!
gogo Liquid! gogo HerO!
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
September 29 2012 17:10 GMT
#100
I'm so worried for leenock, i think if he can slip by taeja that he will make it to the finals! Go leenocktopus!
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Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
September 29 2012 22:41 GMT
#101
On September 28 2012 10:33 Hall0wed wrote:
Squirtle didn't really get outplayed by Leenock... game 1 Leenock had a good BO and game 2 Squirtle owned Leenock and then got one bad engagement due to terrible game design.

Life gonna 3-0 MKP


You seem to be a bit butt hurt.

Hero contained leenock on 3 bases still managed to loose. Squirtle allowed Leenock to have 5 for the majority of game 2. and still got his MS neuraled. Leenock clearly out played Squirtle.

I'll agree he arguably didn't out play Hero, though.
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Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
September 29 2012 22:54 GMT
#102
On September 28 2012 11:07 peragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote:
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.


MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.


IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 30 2012 01:28 GMT
#103
On September 30 2012 07:54 Random_Guy09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 11:07 peragon wrote:
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote:
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.


MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.


IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now

taeja was already doing quite well 3 months ago. if anything, taeja has been a bit sloppy of late
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rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
September 30 2012 06:12 GMT
#104
loving the random facts!
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niiir
Profile Joined August 2012
Poland22 Posts
September 30 2012 07:31 GMT
#105
What is imba in europe? - Zerg.
What is imba in Asia? - Korean's People
Kraków
Qnfauf
Profile Joined November 2011
United States17 Posts
September 30 2012 20:49 GMT
#106
[image loading]

Liquid vs Liquid here we go!
Qnfauf
Profile Joined November 2011
United States17 Posts
September 30 2012 20:53 GMT
#107
On September 30 2012 10:28 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 07:54 Random_Guy09 wrote:
On September 28 2012 11:07 peragon wrote:
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote:
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.


MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.


IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now

taeja was already doing quite well 3 months ago. if anything, taeja has been a bit sloppy of late


I can't believe you actually think that one week after winning DH and 3 days after getting into Code S ro8 (matching his best previous result).
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 30 2012 22:02 GMT
#108
On October 01 2012 05:53 Qnfauf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 10:28 opterown wrote:
On September 30 2012 07:54 Random_Guy09 wrote:
On September 28 2012 11:07 peragon wrote:
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote:
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.


MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.


IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now

taeja was already doing quite well 3 months ago. if anything, taeja has been a bit sloppy of late


I can't believe you actually think that one week after winning DH and 3 days after getting into Code S ro8 (matching his best previous result).

look at the actual quality of his games; yes he did win DH and get into code S, but he got stomped by rain, beaten by nightend, and taken to 5 games by forgg, etc. he shouldn't be this sloppy
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
September 30 2012 22:18 GMT
#109
On October 01 2012 07:02 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 05:53 Qnfauf wrote:
On September 30 2012 10:28 opterown wrote:
On September 30 2012 07:54 Random_Guy09 wrote:
On September 28 2012 11:07 peragon wrote:
On September 28 2012 09:59 Popkiller wrote:
Has MKP ever beaten Taeja? Also I hate to be a pessimist but I smell a ZvZ finals. Hope I'm wrong, through.


MKP beat Taeja 5-0 in the IPL fight club about 3 months ago.


IPL fight club =/= GSL at all.... not a very smart comparison and plus it was 3 months ago. Taeja is on fire now

taeja was already doing quite well 3 months ago. if anything, taeja has been a bit sloppy of late


I can't believe you actually think that one week after winning DH and 3 days after getting into Code S ro8 (matching his best previous result).

look at the actual quality of his games; yes he did win DH and get into code S, but he got stomped by rain, beaten by nightend, and taken to 5 games by forgg, etc. he shouldn't be this sloppy


To be fair, as the pure amount of games played goes higher in a short period of time, the more likely you are to see higher variance in quality of play. Taeja has been one of the most active SC2 professionals these last three months, him playing at or close to his peak would be very improbable.

I do agree that MKP might be the only Terran that would go into a matchup with Taeja as a favorite based on style and history though. But I think that the objections to Taeja could easily be made of MKP too, perhaps even to a larger degree. In the end, they have both done incredibly well to make it to the round of eight in the toughest Code S season to date. If they were to meet in the semi-finals that means they have dispatched of one more formidable opponent, and one would imagine that both would look to be on good form.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 22:42:22
September 30 2012 22:41 GMT
#110
On October 01 2012 05:49 Qnfauf wrote:
[image loading]

Liquid vs Liquid here we go!



Except that Rain will beat Hero 7-0 in their bo5.

Edit: And Leenock will probably beat Taeja, too.
maru G5L pls
mRpolite
Profile Joined March 2012
189 Posts
October 01 2012 01:24 GMT
#111
i am cheering for rain on 1 side and lifeuuu on the other
i want ''a surprise'' to win this one
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
October 01 2012 09:42 GMT
#112
On October 01 2012 05:49 Qnfauf wrote:
[image loading]

Liquid vs Liquid here we go!

My thoughts (hopes) exactly!

But I wanted to ask, if there really is a TL vs TL GSL Code S finals, how will we react? (Someone tell me how I should react!)
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Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
October 01 2012 13:25 GMT
#113
On September 28 2012 10:12 Doubting wrote:
if MKP beats Life I will eat my phone, delete my TL account and never watch SC2 again

Life looks great, but MKP is no pushover for anyone(save MVP). So ill give it a good 50/50 chance for you to delete your account and stop exicting for us.
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Profile Joined September 2012
56 Posts
October 01 2012 14:06 GMT
#114

You guys realize that Mvp will beat symbol, because its GSL ?
bLecK
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia625 Posts
October 02 2012 02:28 GMT
#115
On October 01 2012 10:24 mRpolite wrote:
i am cheering for rain on 1 side and lifeuuu on the other
i want ''a surprise'' to win this one

Rain winning the GSL isn't "a surprise". The guy is solid across the board.
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