Elephantopolis - With four wins on Thursday, KeSPA extends its winning streak to 10.
This. Means. War.
At the start of the WCS Korea, the storyline was light and fun: KeSPA was allowed to invite six of their best Proleague players into the tournament. With how terribly they did in the preliminaries, only Reality being able to get out of the sixteen qualifying groups, not much was expected from the KeSPA players in this tournament. It was a fun idea to think that they might make an impact, but the best you could see is maybe one or two of the players making it into the top sixteen before meeting their death at the hands of the real GomTV players.
Things went as expected in the first round of the tournament. The first five players tried their best, but were either not able to keep up in the late-game against their opponent or simply outmatched in skill. This was followed by some uplifting back-to-back victories by the KHAN players Reality and Roro, but most of their force was still on the chopping block in the loser's bracket. Those two would get into the second round of winner's bracket, where Reality narrowly lost to Puzzle, and Roro picked up the first gigantic major upset for his faction by upsetting Leenock who had beaten MC the night before.
From there, the elephants were off to the races. Be it black magic, the GOM players being scared of elimination at the hands of players with two years less experience, or the KeSPA players rapidly improving their in-game decision making and skills, but we can now mark down ten straight victories for KeSPA players over their GomTV rivals.
Now, with only twenty players left in the tournament, we are left with seven KeSPA players and thirteen GOM players. What appeared to be a clean sweep for GOM at the start of the tournament has now been flipped on its head, and the GOM players left can't take their games lightly any longer. With each loss, the community backlash for them and the players who have been playing the game for the past two years becomes larger and larger.
Now, let's check our handy dandy Elephant Meter and see how well the KeSPA players ranked last night.
herO[join] vs. Tails:
(1/5)
For his third straight match-up, we can't properly say how good KeSPA's Hero is. With two PvP's now under his belt and coming out of it with a 3-3 record overall and beating down a frightened YuGiOh, we can't say how well he matches up with his peers and the GOM players. He looked good for a second time in PvP, but all three games were cheeses by Tails who seemed to try and break BitByBit's record for most games in a row with all-ins. Tails, for the second series in a row, was able to pull out a victory in the second set, but couldn't make his all-in attempt in third gain him a victory.
Tails proved that he either has been too busy playing with the MVP League of Legends squad, or he really thought that going all-in game after game would get him to Shanghai. Up next for not-liquid Hero will be a match with his teammate Effort who looked atrocious in the ZvP match-up earlier in the tournament against Liquid`Hero. With a victory over his teammate, he will have at least clinched a spot in the consolation matches for a chance to get to the Asian finals.
Effort vs. Gumiho:
(4.5/5)
He might ride low in his chair and look three feet tall when playing, but Effort is the scariest KeSPA player still left in this tournament. No offense to Roro who still hasn't lost and is playing Squirtle in the winner's bracket on Monday, but Effort has now beaten two of the best players GomTV hard to offer in consecutive series. His win against DongRaeGu with an electrifying third set was already enough to earn him praise, but he followed it up with an even more impressive 2-0 win against Gumiho, a player who was on a roll coming into the tournament.
For the second straight match in a row, Effort hits a strong 4.5 on the Elephant Meter. He not only showed that he had strong defense in the first game, stopping Gumiho's proxy two rax, but also that he had steel nerves going for a 10 pool on Daybreak to take the series. Effort has now provided us proof that his ZvZ and ZvT are at a level that could make him one of the top Zergs in the world, but we still have to wonder about his ZvP. He hasn't been good in Proleague in the match-up, and he looked the worst of the KeSPA Seven in the first round when Liquid's Hero embarrassed him. He gets a chance for a bit of redemption next round, thought against a different kind of Hero in his teammate hero[join].
Reality vs. Happy:
(3/5)
Happy is still a mystery. It's not like he played a terrible series against Reality, but his TvT and overall presence lately has been that of a fringe Code A player. He first came into the GSL with the momentum of something with a lot of momentum, and reached the semifinals in his first Code S season. After that, he's only been a disappointment, never coming close to that achievement ever again.
Reality kept on trucking. His win against Happy is solid without being particularly notable, and he continues as the most decorated player statistically when it comes to beating GOM players so far. Now with a hit list of Shine, Symbol, Heart, YuGiOh and Happy, he has beaten four players who have gotten into Code S and one who is in the Up-and-Down matches for next season in Shine. He won't be getting the same talking up from the fans that Jaedong or Effort will, but he continues to roll with only loss being a close one to Puzzle.
You could say he got lucky that Mvp forfeited and didn't have to face the greatest player in SC2 history, but after getting through so many top tier players in a row, you can say he deserved a bit of a break before possibly facing Liquid's Hero in the next round in another TvP.
Jaedong vs. Genius:
(4.5/5)
Genius was supposed to be the savior. No one should ever bet on Tails, Gumiho has a streak of inconsistency, and Happy's stock is going down fast. But Genius was supposed to be the guy the GOM side could rely on. Yeah, he's lazy and doesn't practice as much as his counterparts, but when motivated, he is one of the most dangerous players in the world. He was in a final only a few months ago, and he was going up against a player who has only faced KeSPA Protosses so far in his career.
The first game went as you would think. Genius went for one of his all-ins, broke down Jaedong, and brought the world back into order. The best GOM players were still the best, and Jaedong, even as great as he is, would not be able to breakdown a player who is one of the best PvZ'ers in the world and one of the main faces when it comes to the GSL. Yeah, they beat DongRaeGu, but he's slumping heavily and GOM can get a pass on that. Genius was here to save the day and bring order back to the world.
Then he lost the next two games. Jaedong did a fake third into an aggressive ling attack that effectively ended the second set when Genius had no defense to stop the oncoming onslaught. The third game was Genius either being too confident against a player with less experience, or he got simply outplayed by a guy who is one of the hardest workers in e-sports. With a gigantic crowd of fan girls cheering him on, Jaedong secured the sweep for his brethren on the night and gained his second straight win in a row.
The same as Effort, this ranks as a 4.5/5 on the Elephant Meter. Genius is a great player and a victory over him is nothing but outstanding for a player with the experience Jaedong has in Starcraft 2, but to reach a 5/5 one of the KeSPA players will have to get deep into the tournament and pull an upset in the late stages. For example, if Roro can defeat Squirtle on Monday, we might feel the whole earth shake as the elephants stomp on.
"It's a trap!" yells my internal Admiral Ackbar. Surely, Leenock's loss to RorO last week was a ZvZ fluke, and the Code S class, former MLG Providence champion MUST crush this KeSPA upstart?
But when you look closer, Rain comes in with a 7 – 2 record against KeSPA Zergs, and Leenock enters with reputation for poor ZvP that has yet to be fully cleared. He has one victory over a great player in recent games, as he beat MC in an earlier round of this tournament. But for fairness' sake, if we're saying that Effort's win over Gumiho was highly improbably, underdog win, shouldn't we apply the same criteria to Leenock's win as well? His ZvP may yet be susceptible.
Against KeSPA players so far, Rain lost 0 – 2 to Curious and beat Horror 2 – 1. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell us too much about his level. Curious is one of the best ZvP players around right now, with series wins against Puzzle, Creator, and Squirtle in the last few weeks, and he was a massive favorite to beat Rain. On the other hand, Horror was the worst player in all of WCS, so stomping on him didn't prove much of a point for Rain, either.
Overall, we'll give Leenock the edge here. His victory against MC was a definite upset, but he showed much better all-in defense and a general feel for ZvP than he did before. It was a small sample, but we have enough faith in the former champion, and hugely talented young player to think that it was real progress and not just a flash in the pan.
Jaedong > Genius wasn't a huge surprise, given that Genius is a bit of an oddball player with strange motivations. But Effort's 2 – 0 hit on Gumiho was a big deal – not a game changer but something that makes us wonder if we seriously need to reassess KeSPA player chances against Code S opposition in non-mirrors. Originally, we thought that HerO's insane multi-tasking and micro would overwhelm Soulkey if the game went to the later phases, but Effort's win over the chaotic Gumiho gives us room for pause.
...but then again, it's silly to lump all KeSPA players into one group, since the only blanket quality they really possess across the board is putting a little extra pressure on the Gom players. Maybe Effort handled Gumiho soundly, fending him off in an impressive comeback win, but the Soulkey we've seen so far is a player who had trouble dealing with drops and multi-prong attacks once he became weighed down with lumbering brood lords. While those games were all against Terran (MMA, Gumiho, TaeJa), the principles apply to some degree in late game PvZ. With HerO being a player who really loves to warp prism harass in the late game, Soulkey could have some serious problems.
We can keep an open mind to KeSPA players being better than originally expected, but for now, we'll just chalk up Effort's win as a nice victory for the underdog player, and say that the Code S class GomTV players are still favored in these match-ups.
After peaking somewhere in GSL Season One this year, aLive's TvT has ceased being super-impressive. He played some of the best mech TvT games we ever saw, and then reverted to being a fairly run of the mill, Code S TvT player. That should be enough to take care of Dreamertt, though, whose biggest impact on this tournament so far was convincing us to never say anything nice about BBoongBBoong ever again.
After showing us poor ZvZ in his first two WCS showings, Miya will finally get a chance to play his supposedly 'godly' match-up in ZvT. However, since Miya has built a reputation for being more of a huge choker than anything else so far, wehave fairly low expectations. The last time Miya got to play his best match-up in a high pressure situation, it was against aLive in the GSTL, where he got crushed in a game where he didn't look good at all.
Hack isn't the best pressure situation player either, and on top of that his TvZ takes a backseat to his strong TvP ability. But he doesn't take as bad a hit from playing in the studio as Miya does, who still only has one single win in the GomTV studio, while Hack has a nearly break-even record over a few dozen games. If Miya suddenly gets over the hump and shows those ZvT skills his teammates keep hyping up, then maybe we'll have an upset on our hands, but if things go as they have so far, Hack should take this easily.
I want Miya to win so he gets his own TLPD picture Prolly won't happen though. Cute elephant scale, I'm going to steal that for the bottom of LR pages ♥
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He might ride low in his chair and look three feet tall when playing, but Effort is the scariest KeSPA player still left in this tournament. No offense to Roro who still hasn't lost and is playing Squirtle in the winner's bracket on Monday, but Effort has now beaten two of the best players GomTV had to offer in consecutive series.
On August 17 2012 11:20 BrokenMirage wrote: Either Rain or Soulkey is probably going to pull an upset. The question is... which one?
I want to say rain has the better chance, but...Soulkey is Soulkey...the guy does the impossible when I least expect it, by either impressing or disappointing.
I remember when I told everyone (with other people doing it too, but we seemed like the minority) that when that elephant comes into the room, it won't be like the kinda burnt out ForGG or nearly retired Boxer/Nada/July but when the actual A Team KeSPA players come over, motherfuckers watch out because they're here to rape everyone.
Damn, the BW players are wrecking shit up. Their world torn from them by the greed of OGN, MBC, and Kespa, and here they are in a brave new world and taking command. *manly tear*
I thought the Elephant was about total domination if/once the bw pros switch over. May still happen, but "oh, some of Kespa are better than some of GOM" doesn´t have any impact on me. Looks like a pretty even playing field right now to me.
But yeah, it´s pretty exciting how things will look once the bag has been shaken and the dust settles.
On August 17 2012 11:20 BrokenMirage wrote: Either Rain or Soulkey is probably going to pull an upset. The question is... which one?
I want to say rain has the better chance, but...Soulkey is Soulkey...the guy does the impossible when I least expect it, by either impressing or disappointing.
Rain definitely has the worst chance. He didn't look terribly impressive in the PvZ against horror and horror was in fact in an advantageous position a number of times in game 3 but never did anything about it.
I think Soulkey has more of a chance. It may be Hero PvZ, but it's soulkey. If it's going to go 1-1 I think it will be double zerg as opposed to double toss.
On August 17 2012 11:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote: I remember when I told everyone (with other people doing it too, but we seemed like the minority) that when that elephant comes into the room, it won't be like the kinda burnt out ForGG or nearly retired Boxer/Nada/July but when the actual A Team KeSPA players come over, motherfuckers watch out because they're here to rape everyone.
Exactly what I was thinking and seeing everyone doubt me was funny.
Please stop denying these events mean something. The Elephant article was talking about immediate switching. Also, GOM SC2 players are almost all former Kespa b-teamers. So it's basically the better elephants coming up to speed and passing the lesser elephants. But they're all elephants.
everyone looks at things in a different way... elephant stomping around.. I dont think so :S
Effort beating was an upset I agree, but Gumiho has never really been mr consistent. One series he can be brilliant, next series... not so much. His win over DongRaeGu was a bigger deal, yes drg is in a slump etc etc, but overall he is a much more consistent player.
Jaedong is a brilliant player, and him beating Genius is wonderful for him. But... you have one of the best BW progamers of all time beating perhaps the laziest player in the GSL in a single best of 3 series.
I myself can't wait to see what they can do in the future of sc2 and the expansions. It certainly has me a little excited to say the least.
But there is no elephant in the room, they haven't even made it through the front door. In the winners bracket with the exception of Roro and Reality they got their asses handed to them, they got rolled. Lets not forget that lol.
GSL prelims should be interesting though, if some of the Kespa players can get through will be interesting to see how they go in Code A. We will be able to see then, how much they have progressed.
On August 17 2012 13:29 6BiT wrote: everyone looks at things in a different way... elephant stomping around.. I dont think so :S
Effort beating was an upset I agree, but Gumiho has never really been mr consistent. One series he can be brilliant, next series... not so much. His win over DongRaeGu was a bigger deal, yes drg is in a slump etc etc, but overall he is a much more consistent player.
Jaedong is a brilliant player, and him beating Genius is wonderful for him. But... you have one of the best BW progamers of all time beating perhaps the laziest player in the GSL in a single best of 3 series.
I myself can't wait to see what they can do in the future of sc2 and the expansions. It certainly has me a little excited to say the least.
But there is no elephant in the room, they haven't even made it through the front door. In the winners bracket with the exception of Roro and Reality they got their asses handed to them, they got rolled. Lets not forget that lol.
GSL prelims should be interesting though, if some of the Kespa players can get through will be interesting to see how they go in Code A. We will be able to see then, how much they have progressed.
If any GSL player is inconsistent, its his problem. I don't think that, in competitions, inconsistency could be used as an excuse to deny that a player isn't worse than, let's say, another player who posts better results. In my opinion, whatever reason causing GSL palyers' losses right now is exactly their weakness. If they keep losing like this, than they are inferior players in comparison to KESPA players, nothing else.
On August 17 2012 12:27 Mataza wrote: I thought the Elephant was about total domination if/once the bw pros switch over. May still happen, but "oh, some of Kespa are better than some of GOM" doesn´t have any impact on me. Looks like a pretty even playing field right now to me.
But yeah, it´s pretty exciting how things will look once the bag has been shaken and the dust settles.
i thought the elephant was about the lack of dedicated training on the gom side, one that rivals kespa style training regime. so when the kespa players switch over with their hardwork and talent, the laxed training regime of the gom will get stomped. not kespa > gom period.
one also has to remember kespa team have huge sponsors, which means huge money. and in every professional sport ive looked at. the team with the most money tend to do pretty well to say the least. i wouldnt be supprised if skt1 absorbs slayers when the trading freeze is over. and i wouldnt be supprised if some of the weaker team disappear because of it.
On August 17 2012 13:29 6BiT wrote: everyone looks at things in a different way... elephant stomping around.. I dont think so :S
Effort beating was an upset I agree, but Gumiho has never really been mr consistent. One series he can be brilliant, next series... not so much. His win over DongRaeGu was a bigger deal, yes drg is in a slump etc etc, but overall he is a much more consistent player.
Jaedong is a brilliant player, and him beating Genius is wonderful for him. But... you have one of the best BW progamers of all time beating perhaps the laziest player in the GSL in a single best of 3 series.
I myself can't wait to see what they can do in the future of sc2 and the expansions. It certainly has me a little excited to say the least.
But there is no elephant in the room, they haven't even made it through the front door. In the winners bracket with the exception of Roro and Reality they got their asses handed to them, they got rolled. Lets not forget that lol.
GSL prelims should be interesting though, if some of the Kespa players can get through will be interesting to see how they go in Code A. We will be able to see then, how much they have progressed.
Why should I give a fuck about elephant, when I already see the the progress of the BW guys made recently? Is the elephant theory is more important than actual results? So why do such posts keep appearing and what do they prove? Don't embarrass yourself please.
On August 17 2012 13:29 6BiT wrote: everyone looks at things in a different way... elephant stomping around.. I dont think so :S
Effort beating was an upset I agree, but Gumiho has never really been mr consistent. One series he can be brilliant, next series... not so much. His win over DongRaeGu was a bigger deal, yes drg is in a slump etc etc, but overall he is a much more consistent player.
Jaedong is a brilliant player, and him beating Genius is wonderful for him. But... you have one of the best BW progamers of all time beating perhaps the laziest player in the GSL in a single best of 3 series.
I myself can't wait to see what they can do in the future of sc2 and the expansions. It certainly has me a little excited to say the least.
But there is no elephant in the room, they haven't even made it through the front door. In the winners bracket with the exception of Roro and Reality they got their asses handed to them, they got rolled. Lets not forget that lol.
GSL prelims should be interesting though, if some of the Kespa players can get through will be interesting to see how they go in Code A. We will be able to see then, how much they have progressed.
Why should I give a fuck about elephant, when I already see the the progress of the BW guys made recently? Is the elephant theory is more important than actual results? So why do such posts keep appearing and what do they prove? Don't embarrass yourself please.
Yeah, this. At first it was that they can't beat GSL players, then they did. Then it was they can't beat good GSL players, then they did. Then the real test was to be facing guys like DRG, Leenock and Gumiho, then they lost too. But now suddenly that wasn't the test either, now it's how well they'll do in code A qualifiers. I'm guessing the only way for Kespa to win over this guys is to absolutely trash GSL. If they don't, then I guarantee you the next Kespa player to lose, will get comments like "I told you so".
And that is all missing the entire point.
Kespa is already very competetive with GSL. Not better, just competetive. And considering the time-frame and that they still play some BW, it is highly, highly impressive.
Maybe it's just me, but KeSPA players look more fit overall?? I mean, TBH, a good number of GSL pros look like fat nerds with stubby noses holding their handkerchiefs for their sweaty palms...
Does KeSPA have a better fitness regimen? Sound body sound mind sort of thing?
On August 17 2012 21:21 sinigang wrote: Maybe it's just me, but KeSPA players look more fit overall?? I mean, TBH, a good number of GSL pros look like fat nerds with stubby noses holding their handkerchiefs for their sweaty palms...
Does KeSPA have a better fitness regimen? Sound body sound mind sort of thing?
They do team building exercises like football and other sports and they go to the gym from time to time . Kespa does indeed take importance in the players's health . Better health > better and longer practise regime .
On August 17 2012 21:21 sinigang wrote: Maybe it's just me, but KeSPA players look more fit overall?? I mean, TBH, a good number of GSL pros look like fat nerds with stubby noses holding their handkerchiefs for their sweaty palms...
Does KeSPA have a better fitness regimen? Sound body sound mind sort of thing?
They do team building exercises like football and other sports and they go to the gym from time to time . Kespa does indeed take importance in the players's health . Better health > better and longer practise regime .
GSL players don't have this that's why they're generally chubbier / less fit?
On August 17 2012 21:21 sinigang wrote: Maybe it's just me, but KeSPA players look more fit overall?? I mean, TBH, a good number of GSL pros look like fat nerds with stubby noses holding their handkerchiefs for their sweaty palms...
Does KeSPA have a better fitness regimen? Sound body sound mind sort of thing?
That's why many KeSPA players have fangirls. GOM has been a sausagefest so far.
On August 17 2012 21:21 sinigang wrote: Maybe it's just me, but KeSPA players look more fit overall?? I mean, TBH, a good number of GSL pros look like fat nerds with stubby noses holding their handkerchiefs for their sweaty palms...
Does KeSPA have a better fitness regimen? Sound body sound mind sort of thing?
That's why many KeSPA players have fangirls. GOM has been a sausagefest so far.
No, KeSPA players have fangirls for the same reason Justin Bieber has fangirls, they are way more famous, they were on primetime TV for a long time, and the very best are also in commercials and so on (Jaedong shoes commercial for example), the only GOM player who has fangirls is MKP, and that's not because of his gameplay right now, but because of the character he's showing.
On August 17 2012 21:21 sinigang wrote: Maybe it's just me, but KeSPA players look more fit overall?? I mean, TBH, a good number of GSL pros look like fat nerds with stubby noses holding their handkerchiefs for their sweaty palms...
Does KeSPA have a better fitness regimen? Sound body sound mind sort of thing?
That's why many KeSPA players have fangirls. GOM has been a sausagefest so far.
No, KeSPA players have fangirls for the same reason Justin Bieber has fangirls, they are way more famous, they were on primetime TV for a long time, and the very best are also in commercials and so on (Jaedong shoes commercial for example), the only GOM player who has fangirls is MKP, and that's not because of his gameplay right now, but because of the character he's showing.
Yea this, I donno why everyone is so mean in this thread lol Gumiho uses a handkerchief/towel because he has overly sweaty palms, its a medical condition not based on his weight. The elephantometer is making me feel ill, I thought players like Gumiho and Genius would be able to hold down the GOM fort but their losses show that kespa players are no joke. Dont get me wrong I like a lot of kespa players and want them to become mainstays in sc2 (please, fantasy, please) but I dont want them to do so at the expense of the GOM players ive come to love. Hopefully they can coexist at the top level of sc2.
On August 17 2012 13:29 6BiT wrote: everyone looks at things in a different way... elephant stomping around.. I dont think so :S
Effort beating was an upset I agree, but Gumiho has never really been mr consistent. One series he can be brilliant, next series... not so much. His win over DongRaeGu was a bigger deal, yes drg is in a slump etc etc, but overall he is a much more consistent player.
Jaedong is a brilliant player, and him beating Genius is wonderful for him. But... you have one of the best BW progamers of all time beating perhaps the laziest player in the GSL in a single best of 3 series.
I myself can't wait to see what they can do in the future of sc2 and the expansions. It certainly has me a little excited to say the least.
But there is no elephant in the room, they haven't even made it through the front door. In the winners bracket with the exception of Roro and Reality they got their asses handed to them, they got rolled. Lets not forget that lol.
GSL prelims should be interesting though, if some of the Kespa players can get through will be interesting to see how they go in Code A. We will be able to see then, how much they have progressed.
Why should I give a fuck about elephant, when I already see the the progress of the BW guys made recently? Is the elephant theory is more important than actual results? So why do such posts keep appearing and what do they prove? Don't embarrass yourself please.
Yeah, this. At first it was that they can't beat GSL players, then they did. Then it was they can't beat good GSL players, then they did. Then the real test was to be facing guys like DRG, Leenock and Gumiho, then they lost too. But now suddenly that wasn't the test either, now it's how well they'll do in code A qualifiers. I'm guessing the only way for Kespa to win over this guys is to absolutely trash GSL. If they don't, then I guarantee you the next Kespa player to lose, will get comments like "I told you so".
And that is all missing the entire point.
Kespa is already very competetive with GSL. Not better, just competetive. And considering the time-frame and that they still play some BW, it is highly, highly impressive.
This... Thank you o-0. the fact that kespa players are even competing with GSL players after only a few months is incredible by itself, yet somehow the bar of people's kespa expectations keeps getting higher with ever kespa victory. The fact that any kespa players remain at all is impressive, let alone beating the likes of DRG and Genius.
On August 17 2012 21:21 sinigang wrote: Maybe it's just me, but KeSPA players look more fit overall?? I mean, TBH, a good number of GSL pros look like fat nerds with stubby noses holding their handkerchiefs for their sweaty palms...
Does KeSPA have a better fitness regimen? Sound body sound mind sort of thing?
That's why many KeSPA players have fangirls. GOM has been a sausagefest so far.
No, KeSPA players have fangirls for the same reason Justin Bieber has fangirls, they are way more famous, they were on primetime TV for a long time, and the very best are also in commercials and so on (Jaedong shoes commercial for example), the only GOM player who has fangirls is MKP, and that's not because of his gameplay right now, but because of the character he's showing.
Back when TOP was in GSL there used to be a decent sized group of fan girls who came to see him (I believe they were from his high school). It's not really the same, but yeah I think it's just the extra exposure that players like Jaedong have that really makes them more popular.
On August 17 2012 21:21 sinigang wrote: Maybe it's just me, but KeSPA players look more fit overall?? I mean, TBH, a good number of GSL pros look like fat nerds with stubby noses holding their handkerchiefs for their sweaty palms...
Does KeSPA have a better fitness regimen? Sound body sound mind sort of thing?
That's why many KeSPA players have fangirls. GOM has been a sausagefest so far.
No, KeSPA players have fangirls for the same reason Justin Bieber has fangirls, they are way more famous, they were on primetime TV for a long time, and the very best are also in commercials and so on (Jaedong shoes commercial for example), the only GOM player who has fangirls is MKP, and that's not because of his gameplay right now, but because of the character he's showing.
Yea this, I donno why everyone is so mean in this thread lol Gumiho uses a handkerchief/towel because he has overly sweaty palms, its a medical condition not based on his weight. The elephantometer is making me feel ill, I thought players like Gumiho and Genius would be able to hold down the GOM fort but their losses show that kespa players are no joke. Dont get me wrong I like a lot of kespa players and want them to become mainstays in sc2 (please, fantasy, please) but I dont want them to do so at the expense of the GOM players ive come to love. Hopefully they can coexist at the top level of sc2.
I understand such medical condition can usually be solved by psychological and physical fitness, so I guess KeSPA is indeed managing those things better. Anyway that's just my observation.
On August 17 2012 12:27 Mataza wrote: I thought the Elephant was about total domination if/once the bw pros switch over. May still happen, but "oh, some of Kespa are better than some of GOM" doesn´t have any impact on me. Looks like a pretty even playing field right now to me.
But yeah, it´s pretty exciting how things will look once the bag has been shaken and the dust settles.
Then your understanding is severely misconstrued. How would that make any sense when most of the Kespa players have only been at sc2 full time for about a month(depending on their placing in pro league as a team)?
On August 17 2012 12:27 Mataza wrote: I thought the Elephant was about total domination if/once the bw pros switch over. May still happen, but "oh, some of Kespa are better than some of GOM" doesn´t have any impact on me. Looks like a pretty even playing field right now to me.
But yeah, it´s pretty exciting how things will look once the bag has been shaken and the dust settles.
Then your understanding is severely misconstrued. How would that make any sense when most of the Kespa players have only been at sc2 full time for about a month(depending on their placing in pro league as a team)?
A lot of my kind are in denial, bro. I used to be a hardcore GSL supporter but I am a believer in the Elephant given the recent results. I pretty much stopped watching pure GSL games because I *personally* believe that they really are a farce. The level is just different. Started catching up to KeSPA ProLeague as well... Here's hoping for some KeSPA / BW community love
On August 17 2012 12:27 Mataza wrote: I thought the Elephant was about total domination if/once the bw pros switch over. May still happen, but "oh, some of Kespa are better than some of GOM" doesn´t have any impact on me. Looks like a pretty even playing field right now to me.
But yeah, it´s pretty exciting how things will look once the bag has been shaken and the dust settles.
Then your understanding is severely misconstrued. How would that make any sense when most of the Kespa players have only been at sc2 full time for about a month(depending on their placing in pro league as a team)?
i agree with diesel, those guys have been playing for a dozen of weeks only, still have to play their main game bw and they are compettiive amongst GSL players already? dafuq? after 6months, i tell you almost all GSL players can go home. Come HotS, even more. The article with the elephant in the room was at the VERY begining of sc2. yes if tehy switched over after some months that SC2 was relased, they woulda destroy everybody. can't expect that after 2 fucking years man -.-
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Prolly won't happen though. Cute elephant scale, I'm going to steal that for the bottom of LR pages ♥
