Only a few minutes in but Tyler's chest hair is erupting from the top of his shirt. and it aint even a V-neck. dats some manly shit
edit: halfway through and really diggin it. don't agree with the naysayers; yeah it could be more. it could be different. everyone posting in this thread would've made a different liquid documentary from the next, but that doesn't mean the version we got wasn't something to treasure. some good insights into the players (tlo, jinro so far for most personality) and satellite interviews (huk and mc especially).
edit: i liked the tyler portion as well. interesting to know he struggles with depression
I have to say I found this a little disappointing and rather boring. The term "documentary" is not an apt fit for whatever this was. I did not end up paying anything for it in the end.
I don't think it was anything to do with hype, either, as while I've heard about this documentary, I wasn't really interested in it nor anticipate it's release. I just did not think it good, at all.
Scripting it to follow tournament progress of players cut with small interviews and comments regarding each others play, and players' own play would have been better, I think. Adding in a dash of the rivalry of EG within a tournament (barely touched on in this set of interviews) would also have helped a ton.
A nice attempt, I guess. But I'll be hoping for something better next time.
Edit/ Also, if Nazgul is looking at a team cap, then 8 players is the number. :D
While the video was fun to watch and provided some entertainment and a little insight, there was almost nothing going on for the entire hour and a half. Interviews of players saying "I'm - and I joined TL in -" should only supplement stories that the documentary is already covering instead of being the only substance of the entire film. For something that took so long to shoot, most of the content could have all been provided at one event. The editing, other than the music volume, was great. I liked the bits with Nazgul and think that the documentary could have been a lot more meaningful if it was about HIS team and how he wants to manage it. A lot of this idea exists already in the film. When discussing something like Ret's motivation or Tyler's depression, I want to hear how the team's owner and manager handles the situation instead of hearing every player say "he would be winning championships if this wasn't the case." Almost every player has issues in life that he faces, but this documentary makes it seem like Liquid players are the only ones with personal limitations.
There's a lot of criticism, but I still enjoyed watching the movie and appreciate the amount of effort put into it.
Well I think it's clear from reading this thread and many others that the TL community has VERY high standards for ANY content that is created in this space. For example this documentary has been picked apart many times in this thread. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Many organizations in this space have gotten very harsh feedback on the forums and responded well to it and created a better product as a result. I would just encourage people to be careful in their choice of words and tone when providing feedback. It may be more fun to take full advantage of internet anonymity and say whatever first comes to mind, but keep in mind that the individuals you're providing feedback to will in many cases actually read your post. And you can't deny that if you had put great effort into creating some content for the community, and got shit on in your thread, you would react defensively and could very well be hurt by it. So, have a little empathy before saying things like "this document was really, really, really bad" and "the director has no creativity". Those are exaggerations that you probably wouldn't use if you were trying to communicate effectively in real life.
If you want content creators to be more receptive to your feedback, you will need to communicate more effectively - otherwise, just admit in your post that you're just trying to make the content creator feel bad about it. For Michael Krukar, the significant amount of feedback regarding creating more of a "story" in his documentary will help him greatly to grow as a director. I just hope he hasn't gotten the defensive or hurt reaction that might be common for someone who's new to public spotlight and gets harshly criticized for his first appearance.
EDIT: But what am I saying, obviously a lot of people appreciate his work since the film has over $40k in donations, so maybe it's just the vocal minority in this thread .
Twas good, got some good perspective on the team. For some reason, the Nony part was easily my favorite. Though the music was wayy too loud compared to the interview.
Finished watching it... I'm on the fence, I really loved the interviews but wished it actually talked less about Starcraft (odd right?) and more about how they got where they are (at least for a segment of 20 or so minutes on all the players) NOTE: day9 daily 100 was kinda wat i was expecting, shortened.
All in all, i'd give it a 7/10 leaving it as it is and comparing it to say "inside job" narrated by Matt Damon but as something coming from eSports which is a rising community (3 years of actual booming foreigner content) I would rate it a 8.5/10 in comparative quality.
I love Team Liquid but I'm also a bit disappointed. If the documentary had followed the team for a certain period of time and showed us the behind the scenes goings on of the organization and the progress of the team through various tournaments I would have been thrilled and would have gladly paid 40$ for it. In its current state it's just a presentation of the team, bummer
This was more just a series of interviews than a documentary? To bad... It didn't even feel like a "documentary" about TL but about the individual players.
Pretty good doco, would've loved to have seen more from Victor and how the team started. I do echo the other statements here that it seemed like a bunch of interviews rather than a fully fledged documentary. It was pretty awesome to hear the background of all the players though, GJ liquid.
I think everyone expected different things from it, for example, some people wanted more coverage from one person on a particular topic than others who wanted less talk about SC and more about what it means to be a pro-gamer. I honestly think it impossible to make a documentary that would suit everyone, because everyone has different questions for people in the Professional Starcraft 2 scene. I know there are questions I would love to ask particular people in Liquid, but I still thought the documentary was something special and I really enjoyed learning more about the people behind the handles we all know and support.
Anyway, not yet paid for the documentary (need paycheck!) but it definately deserves great credit in my opinion, and it will be getting a fair share from me (soon!) <3.
Edit: Love TL and I can honestly say there isn't one forum/community on the internet that I have found that does a better job of it that Liquid does, which is why I particularly enjoyed Nazgul talking about the team, and learning more about the person who created and helped build up this community. /Fanboy
Also, I think the fact that so many people are saying which part they liked best and everyone else having a different favourite part really shows how it would be truly impossible to create that perfect documentary everyone was waiting for, because everyone favors different parts of the community for different reasons.
On June 25 2012 07:59 Mackin wrote: I think everyone expected different things from it, for example, some people wanted more coverage from one person on a particular topic than others who wanted less talk about SC and more about what it means to be a pro-gamer. I honestly think it impossible to make a documentary that would suit everyone, because everyone has different questions for people in the Professional Starcraft 2 scene. I know there are questions I would love to ask particular people in Liquid, but I still thought the documentary was something special and I really enjoyed learning more about the people behind the handles we all know and support.
Anyway, not yet paid for the documentary (need paycheck!) but it definately deserves great credit in my opinion, and it will be getting a fair share from me (soon!) <3.
Edit: Love TL and I can honestly say there isn't one forum/community on the internet that I have found that does a better job of it that Liquid does, which is why I particularly enjoyed Nazgul talking about the team, and learning more about the person who created and helped build up this community. /Fanboy
Also, I think the fact that so many people are saying which part they liked best and everyone else having a different favourite part really shows how it would be truly impossible to create that perfect documentary everyone was waiting for, because everyone favors different parts of the community for different reasons.
I dunno, the major consensus is it felt like a lot of interviews and most peoples "favorites" are interviews (nony/sheth etc), I kinda think adding "documentary" hurt them because it gave the impression it would really go in and behind the scenes have have a good plot flow. I agree with the general public it seemed like one giant montage of interviews (which were great) but compared to actual documentaries it was subpar...
Love the interviews though, and I already rated 7.5/10 in my books : D 8.5/10 (comparative to eSports related content usually brought out)
I think it's a good piece of work, but I expected something more... while it's awesome in presenting the team to someone new many people were not getting anything insightful from this.
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