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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
June 22 2012 23:47 GMT
#621
TLO MAH MAN LOL
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
June 22 2012 23:49 GMT
#622
Was the first interview with Nazgul shot at the EG Lair ?
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
June 22 2012 23:50 GMT
#623
SO. FUCKING. GOOD. I love you Krukar, I love you TL, I love you eSports. :')

This should totally be on TV btw.
@nowSimon
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
June 22 2012 23:52 GMT
#624
i frankly didnt want to pay any money for it. Not Because it´s a bad movie, but because i think you really shouldnt make money out of self promotion, which this documentary is. Either you do a nice documentary that bolsters up the TL fame for the sake of running advertisement, or leave it. To me it´s offensive even offering a payment model.
Broodwar for life!
aEroo
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway15 Posts
June 22 2012 23:52 GMT
#625
Amazing, soo proud of TL!
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JImmyTadeski
Profile Joined December 2011
United States4 Posts
June 22 2012 23:53 GMT
#626
i made the donation anyone know how we're supposed to get our posters?
Zerg:14hatch14pool? 15 hatch 14 pool? 14pool 16 hatch? 15hatch14pool? 13gas14pool23hatch? fuuuuuuuu switching to Protoss
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
June 22 2012 23:53 GMT
#627
On June 23 2012 06:53 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 05:58 [17]Purple wrote:

It is supposed to be a documentary about the players not a movie with a climax.


I disagree, there have been many documentaries that make for amazing movies. A few examples are: Dear Zachary, Hearts of Darkness, or Bus 174. You have to remember that documentaries are suppose to tell a story, Liquid Rising had none. These are fluff pieces that could be intertwined into any SC2 media.

Let's take a recent documentary, Exit Through the Gift Shop. The reason why this documentary is so critically acclaimed is that the story is very engrossing. The rise of an overnight street artist (Thierry Guetta) buying his way into fame and fortune from the misinterpreted advice that he received from his idol (Banksy). This is done through non traditional means of interview various street artists asking their opinions and experiences with Thierry while building upon the overall story, which the audience doesn't know of, until 2/3s of the way into the documentary. There is a high level of emotional attachment to the story and the payoff is worth watching the film.

Documentaries are not a series of interviews, that is a news segment. Documentaries are suppose to convey reality through the means of a story.

Liquid Rising is just a series of very specific interviews dealing about a very distinct subject. While there is nothing wrong with this if it is done in small segments, this type of format fails to draw in the audience after a set amount of time.

A good example of this is during the Huk segment where at 1:14:50 they talk about the EG-Liquid rivalry. As someone who has only been following the scene for a few months, I don't know anything of this. Why should I believe it? Or better, why should I care? There was nothing in the documentary that foreshadow this. Am I suppose to just accept it because some people say so? This medium is video, you're also suppose to show your audience what you want them to feel not explicitly state them through a series of basic interviews. It just wasn't done well.

There could of been so much that could of been done if you want to introduce an emotional element. Like Liquids dominance through the beta and first year of the game, but as SC2 became more developed they slowly slipped out of the spotlight as their players fell from the pillars where they once stood. It could of ended with Liquid players going to Korea to recapture their past glory.

Take Jinro, a player who has an amazing story line and the director/creator completely missed it. Here you have a player that WAS one of the best during the early years. He had the experience and results to prove it. He was the foreigner hope in the GSL. He had amazing games and captivated whole rooms of people. He has the dedication of a true Olympian athlete. Then he slowly started to not make top finishes as the new wave of professionals came. Yet he still practices, he still has the mind of a champion. I mean fuck, he is still in Korea giving everything he has at a game he loves. This is a classic story line of a past champion that is still trying to make it with the new wave of talent. You can go in many different directions. You can make it depressing and talk about how as a once accomplished professional, he should step down now before he further embarrasses himself. Or you could go in a different route and talk about a player who was at the top and still continues to strive for the top, despite of the current wave of the top contenders.

At the end of the film they are talking about how they foresee their futures, as someone who is into the scene I care about these people. I want them to succeed. But as a viewer of the film, I feel like I know none of them and aren't interesting in their storylines because the film failed to provide any. Contrast this with a film like Fistful of Quarters where the documentary sets clears good versus bad between the characters

There was just so much potential to make a great compelling story, but fails so hard. This is depressing to see, on Reddit the creator said he has 700 gigs of footage. That could either be 20-45 hours of footage depending on the quality. If this is the best attempt, a series of interviewers. Then most of the footage is b rolls at various tournaments failing to capture anything of interest. As someone who is trying to make it in new media production, I find it incredibly sad that someone was given the opportunity to do this and squandered it.


This exactly--I don't think there is any mainstream appeal, there isn't any real niche filled--its an ambitious project that I would say should be learned from as a high-profile mistake.
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
June 22 2012 23:54 GMT
#628
On June 23 2012 08:52 Cele wrote:
i frankly didnt want to pay any money for it. Not Because it´s a bad movie, but because i think you really shouldnt make money out of self promotion, which this documentary is. Either you do a nice documentary that bolsters up the TL fame for the sake of running advertisement, or leave it. To me it´s offensive even offering a payment model.


It costs money to make these things and more importantly it costs time. they aren't forcing you to pay, only offering you an option to donate money, you do get a poster for your troubles.... which is pretty damn cool
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
June 22 2012 23:55 GMT
#629
Waaaa! Gotta start watching more SC2 so I can cheer on TL!
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
vAtAZz
Profile Joined September 2011
France250 Posts
June 22 2012 23:55 GMT
#630
Gave 1$ I know it's not much, but I enjoyed the documentary much more that if I had stolen it watching it. I think if everyone who watch this should at least give 1$, as a tip, at least, it took time to realise this, a contribution, even a little, like mine is enough to support eSport. Loved it, thank you TL
Talent is nothing if you don't have the constant desire to stay at the top. SlayerSBoxeR
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
June 22 2012 23:56 GMT
#631
Ah that Jinro slap was golden.
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
June 22 2012 23:56 GMT
#632
Dude, it´s a giant ad. You dont pay money to watch coca colas new spot either. It costs money time and effort too.
Broodwar for life!
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
June 22 2012 23:58 GMT
#633
My only issue is that the sound levels between 1 on 1 interviews and stadium clips is really massive.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 00:03:07
June 22 2012 23:58 GMT
#634
Found it quite interesting. Though would have to criticise the emphasis on mostly just interviews, and the separation of each players section. Needed more emphasis on showing the great stories each player has taken, rather than them and others being just interviewed about them.. Less of a documentary, more a series of interviews.

Its something that won't really appeal past TL fans. I'm rather shocked there is no "a day in the life" type footage..
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
youbeatme
Profile Joined March 2012
United States65 Posts
June 23 2012 00:00 GMT
#635
On June 23 2012 04:17 YaTa wrote:
Hi,

Is it possible to have this on english subtitle?

YaTaFTW


I would appreciate this too for all the deaf people. I bet there's a lot of people with english as their second language who would like captions as well. Whoever subtitles this will receive enormous respect from me as well as cookies!
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
June 23 2012 00:01 GMT
#636
I would never pay for this. It's basically a big ad for TL.
deceptionx
Profile Joined June 2011
United States152 Posts
June 23 2012 00:03 GMT
#637
This isn't really a documentary at all. It's just interviews thrown together with loud music, as others have stated. I was really really excited for this, but it didn't turn out anything like I was expecting after seeing the trailer.
Josh111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 00:05:02
June 23 2012 00:04 GMT
#638
I really liked the documentary but was hoping for something I guess with more story i guess. I was planning on showing this to lots of people who don't really follow SC but this doesn't really seem to have any mainstream links that would keep someone interested who didn't already know or care about the liquid players.

Jinro is a perfect example, i was expecting so much more during his piece of the documentary.

That stuff being said I did really enjoy it! Just was expecting a different style documentary
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 00:08:14
June 23 2012 00:04 GMT
#639
I was personally hoping for a more chronological view of Team Liquid as a whole, with footage from tournaments and what have you. Though, I guess part of the problem with that is that they didn't have the footage for that. They only had the footage of since they started filming.

Take Jinro, for example. What a great story that could have been. He was top 4 in the GSL two seasons in a row, he was one of the best foreigners, if not the best, and what did we get to see? Not footage of Jinro dominating, or his popularity, we got Nazgul literally saying what I just said. And that was.. kinda it.

I still sort of enjoyed it, but it just wasn't.. quite what I had expected, or hoped for.
ATiBright
Profile Joined August 2011
59 Posts
June 23 2012 00:07 GMT
#640
Looking forward to watching this, thanks.
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