As a zerg fan, I pray that I see no more Ultralisks! Its painful to see DRG and Stephano throw away games over Ultras. Whatever happened to baneling drops?!
On June 08 2012 12:52 pariahGT wrote: Seriously, why do people call DRG or MKP the best/potential best player in the world when MVP is still around? The two of them are no more dominant now then he was at his height last year - they're less dominant if anything - and he is still winning championships. MVP has consistently crushed MKP on the biggest stage in GSL (going 8-2 in finals games), and to my recollection, he's positive against DRG in meaningful series/games as well. (Don't quote me there) Starcraft II isn't in its infancy anymore and people need to start looking at the big picture, rather than the last two-three wins when determining the top player rankings. (Obviously, MVP isn't attending this MLG, and I'm speaking to the comments about MKP being the best player in the world; as well as the guy who called him a bonjwa) (lol)
Lets compare MVP's major accomplishments to MKP's. MVP: Seven major championships, including a record four GSL's. MKP: Two major championships, including zero GSL's, and a 2-8 record against MVP in GSL finals. (Relevant to point out because we're comparing the two of them)
How many times have we seen an elite player drop off for months at a time - or all together - after tearing up a tournament or two? MVP has been winning tournaments for a year and a half now, and what are his low points? Once or twice (tops) falling to code A? Playing through injury, and mostly against protoss - his worst matchup - he still took down the most recent GSL. People need to stop calling MKP the best player in the world based on his two tourney wins, and consistent play alone. He might be nearly as consistent as MVP over starcraft two, but for the longest time he was known as the guy who was a guarantee to choke in the finals. MVP has never had any sort of negative stigma associated with his name aside from morons calling him out for not macroing in 100% of the games he plays. During MVP's aleged 'slump' towards the later part of 2011, he still came second at a GSL, and got to the round of 4 the next time around.
This isn't an MVP fan party, it's simply reality. He has won more tournaments, made more money, and has been more consistent than anyone else in starcraft two, period. It's not debatable.
Also, going back to my point about him throwing in cheeses and all-ins nowadays: Remember last year when he was known as the hands down best macro player in the world? Yeah, it's still the same guy.
I agree with you to an extent. Obviously MVP has a much more distinguished record, BUT I believe recent form (Results in 2012) would favour MKP somewhat. As you said last year MVP was the best macro player in the world, well... that was last year when he didn't have an injury. Would MVP have far more distinctive results had he not been overcome with injury? Possibly. We'll have to wait till he recovers won't we? But as it is, I believe MKP in their current state, is a far better player.
if he was a far better player he would have won the gsl
at his current condition, I can't see MVP winning any tournament other than the GSL
I was surprised at how well foreigners did at RB and IEM actually. I want to say that a foreigner will win, but this is looking a liiiiittle too stacked.
On June 08 2012 12:52 pariahGT wrote: Seriously, why do people call DRG or MKP the best/potential best player in the world when MVP is still around? The two of them are no more dominant now then he was at his height last year - they're less dominant if anything - and he is still winning championships. MVP has consistently crushed MKP on the biggest stage in GSL (going 8-2 in finals games), and to my recollection, he's positive against DRG in meaningful series/games as well. (Don't quote me there) Starcraft II isn't in its infancy anymore and people need to start looking at the big picture, rather than the last two-three wins when determining the top player rankings. (Obviously, MVP isn't attending this MLG, and I'm speaking to the comments about MKP being the best player in the world; as well as the guy who called him a bonjwa) (lol)
Lets compare MVP's major accomplishments to MKP's. MVP: Seven major championships, including a record four GSL's. MKP: Two major championships, including zero GSL's, and a 2-8 record against MVP in GSL finals. (Relevant to point out because we're comparing the two of them)
How many times have we seen an elite player drop off for months at a time - or all together - after tearing up a tournament or two? MVP has been winning tournaments for a year and a half now, and what are his low points? Once or twice (tops) falling to code A? Playing through injury, and mostly against protoss - his worst matchup - he still took down the most recent GSL. People need to stop calling MKP the best player in the world based on his two tourney wins, and consistent play alone. He might be nearly as consistent as MVP over starcraft two, but for the longest time he was known as the guy who was a guarantee to choke in the finals. MVP has never had any sort of negative stigma associated with his name aside from morons calling him out for not macroing in 100% of the games he plays. During MVP's aleged 'slump' towards the later part of 2011, he still came second at a GSL, and got to the round of 4 the next time around.
This isn't an MVP fan party, it's simply reality. He has won more tournaments, made more money, and has been more consistent than anyone else in starcraft two, period. It's not debatable.
Also, going back to my point about him throwing in cheeses and all-ins nowadays: Remember last year when he was known as the hands down best macro player in the world? Yeah, it's still the same guy.
I agree with you to an extent. Obviously MVP has a much more distinguished record, BUT I believe recent form (Results in 2012) would favour MKP somewhat. As you said last year MVP was the best macro player in the world, well... that was last year when he didn't have an injury. Would MVP have far more distinctive results had he not been overcome with injury? Possibly. We'll have to wait till he recovers won't we? But as it is, I believe MKP in their current state, is a far better player.
if he was a far better player he would have won the gsl
at his current condition, I can't see MVP winning any tournament other than the GSL
also, GO ON DRGGGGGGGGGGGG
I agree with you, but still if MKP was far better than the guy who just won the last GSL then he would have won it instead.
I'm attending, I live in Anaheim, and if MARINEKING wins I'm going to flip the fuck out. I will definitely be happy as hell if a non-Korean wins (especially iNcontroL), but MKP all the way! I'm really looking forward to chanting M-K-P! M-K-P! M-K-P! M-K-P! M-K-P!
DRG would be a safe choice for second in our power rankings. In the last four MLGs, DRG has placed in the top 2 in three of them. He has recently won a GSL. And he has shown he can devastate entire GSTL teams by himself, a feat that no player has yet matched. Until now.
Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time, TSL was a struggling team with a huge Zerg lineup filled with players that were, for the most part, indistinguishable. But one day, rather abruptly, Symbol decided he had had enough of it, got up, separated himself from the pack, and became one of the best Zergs in the world. No one has more momentum going into this MLG as much as Symbol, as in the last few months, he’s taken 2nd place at Iron Squid, 2nd place at MLG Spring Arena II Korean qualifier, and 2nd place at MLG Spring Arena II in addition to qualifying for code S.
But more recently, Symbol achieved something even more legendary, something only DRG had achieved before him. He became a “True Ace” for his team, a player with the ability to single handedly carry his entire team on his back, regardless of how much his teammates faltered, failed, and conspired to lose the series. He is the hero that TSL needs, and if he's the one they deserve, then they must have rescued a burning bus full of orphans in their past lives. And on his way to leading TSL to GSTL glory, Symbol has taken out a total of nine players in two matches, including Moon, Oz, Byul, Alive, Losira, Nestea, and MVP, an incredible run for anyone. In fact, in just these last 3 months alone, Symbol’s record versus champions include 3-0 vs MKP, 4-1 vs Nestea, 2-2 vs MVP, 2-0 vs Jjakji, 2-2 vs MC, 2-0 vs Stephano, 4-4 vs Polt, and 4-4 vs MMA.
The only notable GSL champion Symbol has not yet butt heads with is DRG, the player with whom he now contends for the title of best Zerg in the world. This MLG will be a test for both players. We will have an opportunity to see which is stronger, DRG’s consistency or Symbol’s seemingly unstoppable momentum. And whoever comes out the other end will have a very good claim to the throne of the swarm.
</p> </div> </div>Writers: NrGmonk, tree.hugger and Waxangel. Graphics: Meko Editors: Waxangel and Antoine.
Even DRG didn't pull off that reverse all-kill lol I do have to say, as much as Symbol really worked hard and made a name for himself, Coach Lee is amazing too. People can hate him or love him for the rumors that go around about him, but one things for sure; he really knows how to train and make players. He told fellow teamliquid TSL fan Dragonborn to watch out for Symbol 6 months ago, and now here he is. I think Symbol can easily take this MLG home for sure I personally think Polt is still the best when it comes to a terran player standing a chance against the swarm though. He's not the only one pointing at the buff towards the ever increasing uphill battle for Terran players. He also has a knack for keeping the team together. After seeing how hard the players worked, TSL definitely deserves to be on the top. + Show Spoiler +
no bias at all
Just checked your Twitter.
Wow, you are actually a girl.
Cheers for Coach Lee, he keeps pulling out new Talents that become Top players
On June 08 2012 12:52 pariahGT wrote: Seriously, why do people call DRG or MKP the best/potential best player in the world when MVP is still around? The two of them are no more dominant now then he was at his height last year - they're less dominant if anything - and he is still winning championships. MVP has consistently crushed MKP on the biggest stage in GSL (going 8-2 in finals games), and to my recollection, he's positive against DRG in meaningful series/games as well. (Don't quote me there) Starcraft II isn't in its infancy anymore and people need to start looking at the big picture, rather than the last two-three wins when determining the top player rankings. (Obviously, MVP isn't attending this MLG, and I'm speaking to the comments about MKP being the best player in the world; as well as the guy who called him a bonjwa) (lol)
Lets compare MVP's major accomplishments to MKP's. MVP: Seven major championships, including a record four GSL's. MKP: Two major championships, including zero GSL's, and a 2-8 record against MVP in GSL finals. (Relevant to point out because we're comparing the two of them)
How many times have we seen an elite player drop off for months at a time - or all together - after tearing up a tournament or two? MVP has been winning tournaments for a year and a half now, and what are his low points? Once or twice (tops) falling to code A? Playing through injury, and mostly against protoss - his worst matchup - he still took down the most recent GSL. People need to stop calling MKP the best player in the world based on his two tourney wins, and consistent play alone. He might be nearly as consistent as MVP over starcraft two, but for the longest time he was known as the guy who was a guarantee to choke in the finals. MVP has never had any sort of negative stigma associated with his name aside from morons calling him out for not macroing in 100% of the games he plays. During MVP's aleged 'slump' towards the later part of 2011, he still came second at a GSL, and got to the round of 4 the next time around.
This isn't an MVP fan party, it's simply reality. He has won more tournaments, made more money, and has been more consistent than anyone else in starcraft two, period. It's not debatable.
Also, going back to my point about him throwing in cheeses and all-ins nowadays: Remember last year when he was known as the hands down best macro player in the world? Yeah, it's still the same guy.
I agree with you to an extent. Obviously MVP has a much more distinguished record, BUT I believe recent form (Results in 2012) would favour MKP somewhat. As you said last year MVP was the best macro player in the world, well... that was last year when he didn't have an injury. Would MVP have far more distinctive results had he not been overcome with injury? Possibly. We'll have to wait till he recovers won't we? But as it is, I believe MKP in their current state, is a far better player.
if he was a far better player he would have won the gsl
at his current condition, I can't see MVP winning any tournament other than the GSL
also, GO ON DRGGGGGGGGGGGG
Other than the most prestigious tournament in the world? What is that based off of anyways? He rarely travels abroad to play in tournaments, when he does, he wins like 50% of the time. People seem to be forgetting that he has had these wrist issues for ages now. They were common knowledge back when he won MLG Anaheim last year; which was like 11 months ago. Also, the games we've seen from him recently have all been TVPs. Granted, he's won those series, but he has ALWAYS looked like a much more dominant player in the other two matchups.
On June 08 2012 13:59 striderxxx wrote: MMA is waaay overated, he is no where near his peak any more.
Neither was Mvp, or MC. The writer's point is that these people who manage to win several huge championships don't really just fall off.
In addition, the guy just won the Iron Squid like a month ago...I mean, does losing two games to Goody REALLY affect people's perception of MMA that much? Alright, he also went 1-3 in his Up/Downs, but come on, the sample size is way too small to start calling MMA 'way overrated.'
Gogo LosirA ! Kick ass this MLG Hoping to see a good Ret aswell, but like the OP says we never know wich Ret we get And poor Grubby in an insane group, hope you will suprise us bro and kick ass in it.
EPT
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