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glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
June 08 2012 03:44 GMT
#101
MKP is the YellOw of SC2...as much as he's a great player, he'll never win GSL...

I do agree he's up there in the PR though. Although I would switch Symbol and DRG
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
June 08 2012 03:45 GMT
#102
A lot of conflicting information about whether MMA will be there or not, hope he is though. Nothing makes me happier than seeing him win.
pariahGT
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada21 Posts
June 08 2012 03:52 GMT
#103
Seriously, why do people call DRG or MKP the best/potential best player in the world when MVP is still around? The two of them are no more dominant now then he was at his height last year - they're less dominant if anything - and he is still winning championships.
MVP has consistently crushed MKP on the biggest stage in GSL (going 8-2 in finals games), and to my recollection, he's positive against DRG in meaningful series/games as well. (Don't quote me there)
Starcraft II isn't in its infancy anymore and people need to start looking at the big picture, rather than the last two-three wins when determining the top player rankings. (Obviously, MVP isn't attending this MLG, and I'm speaking to the comments about MKP being the best player in the world; as well as the guy who called him a bonjwa) (lol)

Lets compare MVP's major accomplishments to MKP's.
MVP: Seven major championships, including a record four GSL's.
MKP: Two major championships, including zero GSL's, and a 2-8 record against MVP in GSL finals. (Relevant to point out because we're comparing the two of them)

How many times have we seen an elite player drop off for months at a time - or all together - after tearing up a tournament or two? MVP has been winning tournaments for a year and a half now, and what are his low points? Once or twice (tops) falling to code A? Playing through injury, and mostly against protoss - his worst matchup - he still took down the most recent GSL.
People need to stop calling MKP the best player in the world based on his two tourney wins, and consistent play alone. He might be nearly as consistent as MVP over starcraft two, but for the longest time he was known as the guy who was a guarantee to choke in the finals. MVP has never had any sort of negative stigma associated with his name aside from morons calling him out for not macroing in 100% of the games he plays.
During MVP's aleged 'slump' towards the later part of 2011, he still came second at a GSL, and got to the round of 4 the next time around.

This isn't an MVP fan party, it's simply reality. He has won more tournaments, made more money, and has been more consistent than anyone else in starcraft two, period. It's not debatable.

Also, going back to my point about him throwing in cheeses and all-ins nowadays: Remember last year when he was known as the hands down best macro player in the world? Yeah, it's still the same guy.
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
June 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#104
I do like my pokemon ^_^

Realistically speaking, I think (taking into account luck and whatnot), MKP, thorzain, and MMA will do very well :o
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 08 2012 04:07 GMT
#105
I wanna see DRG and Symbol play a zvz. I think it would be quite epic.
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xParadoxi
Profile Joined September 2011
United States78 Posts
June 08 2012 04:24 GMT
#106
GOGO MKP. I'm hoping that this tourney will be as good as I think it will be.
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
June 08 2012 04:27 GMT
#107
On June 08 2012 12:52 pariahGT wrote:
Seriously, why do people call DRG or MKP the best/potential best player in the world when MVP is still around? The two of them are no more dominant now then he was at his height last year - they're less dominant if anything - and he is still winning championships.
MVP has consistently crushed MKP on the biggest stage in GSL (going 8-2 in finals games), and to my recollection, he's positive against DRG in meaningful series/games as well. (Don't quote me there)
Starcraft II isn't in its infancy anymore and people need to start looking at the big picture, rather than the last two-three wins when determining the top player rankings. (Obviously, MVP isn't attending this MLG, and I'm speaking to the comments about MKP being the best player in the world; as well as the guy who called him a bonjwa) (lol)

Lets compare MVP's major accomplishments to MKP's.
MVP: Seven major championships, including a record four GSL's.
MKP: Two major championships, including zero GSL's, and a 2-8 record against MVP in GSL finals. (Relevant to point out because we're comparing the two of them)

How many times have we seen an elite player drop off for months at a time - or all together - after tearing up a tournament or two? MVP has been winning tournaments for a year and a half now, and what are his low points? Once or twice (tops) falling to code A? Playing through injury, and mostly against protoss - his worst matchup - he still took down the most recent GSL.
People need to stop calling MKP the best player in the world based on his two tourney wins, and consistent play alone. He might be nearly as consistent as MVP over starcraft two, but for the longest time he was known as the guy who was a guarantee to choke in the finals. MVP has never had any sort of negative stigma associated with his name aside from morons calling him out for not macroing in 100% of the games he plays.
During MVP's aleged 'slump' towards the later part of 2011, he still came second at a GSL, and got to the round of 4 the next time around.

This isn't an MVP fan party, it's simply reality. He has won more tournaments, made more money, and has been more consistent than anyone else in starcraft two, period. It's not debatable.

Also, going back to my point about him throwing in cheeses and all-ins nowadays: Remember last year when he was known as the hands down best macro player in the world? Yeah, it's still the same guy.

PR is all about who is the best player atm, and not about past acomplishments, or else savior and oov would be on BW ppower rank.

While Ii agree MVP is much more consistent than MKP, I don't think he is the indisputedbest player on the world. I stilll would bet on him on a Bo7 due to his mind games and such, but not on a Bo101 because I think MKP is just a better plaayer overall.
bLecK
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia625 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 04:28:57
June 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#108
On June 08 2012 12:52 pariahGT wrote:
Seriously, why do people call DRG or MKP the best/potential best player in the world when MVP is still around? The two of them are no more dominant now then he was at his height last year - they're less dominant if anything - and he is still winning championships.
MVP has consistently crushed MKP on the biggest stage in GSL (going 8-2 in finals games), and to my recollection, he's positive against DRG in meaningful series/games as well. (Don't quote me there)
Starcraft II isn't in its infancy anymore and people need to start looking at the big picture, rather than the last two-three wins when determining the top player rankings. (Obviously, MVP isn't attending this MLG, and I'm speaking to the comments about MKP being the best player in the world; as well as the guy who called him a bonjwa) (lol)

Lets compare MVP's major accomplishments to MKP's.
MVP: Seven major championships, including a record four GSL's.
MKP: Two major championships, including zero GSL's, and a 2-8 record against MVP in GSL finals. (Relevant to point out because we're comparing the two of them)

How many times have we seen an elite player drop off for months at a time - or all together - after tearing up a tournament or two? MVP has been winning tournaments for a year and a half now, and what are his low points? Once or twice (tops) falling to code A? Playing through injury, and mostly against protoss - his worst matchup - he still took down the most recent GSL.
People need to stop calling MKP the best player in the world based on his two tourney wins, and consistent play alone. He might be nearly as consistent as MVP over starcraft two, but for the longest time he was known as the guy who was a guarantee to choke in the finals. MVP has never had any sort of negative stigma associated with his name aside from morons calling him out for not macroing in 100% of the games he plays.
During MVP's aleged 'slump' towards the later part of 2011, he still came second at a GSL, and got to the round of 4 the next time around.

This isn't an MVP fan party, it's simply reality. He has won more tournaments, made more money, and has been more consistent than anyone else in starcraft two, period. It's not debatable.

Also, going back to my point about him throwing in cheeses and all-ins nowadays: Remember last year when he was known as the hands down best macro player in the world? Yeah, it's still the same guy.


I agree with you to an extent. Obviously MVP has a much more distinguished record, BUT I believe recent form (Results in 2012) would favour MKP somewhat. As you said last year MVP was the best macro player in the world, well... that was last year when he didn't have an injury. Would MVP have far more distinctive results had he not been overcome with injury? Possibly. We'll have to wait till he recovers won't we? But as it is, I believe MKP in their current state, is a far better player.
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0dem
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany129 Posts
June 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#109
Socke should have been higher... he recently defeated Hasu in a PvP in two Bo3s in a row at the german Blizzard WC qualifier!
ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
June 08 2012 04:30 GMT
#110
Incredibly foreigner-biased as usual, don't blame the writers though, like they said no one wants to go on reading about Code A Koreans.
Chrysalis.145
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
June 08 2012 04:33 GMT
#111
I just put Symbol first IMO simply because of the streak he has been on this week. Momentum is so important in SC2.
ZeroSC2
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)668 Posts
June 08 2012 04:34 GMT
#112
On June 08 2012 13:30 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Incredibly foreigner-biased as usual, don't blame the writers though, like they said no one wants to go on reading about Code A Koreans.


not really. I see only Stephano in Top 10, where is it Foreigner biased? Imo a few Foreigners are even ranked slightly lower than I would put them.

This ranking overall is pretty decent.

Flash
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
June 08 2012 04:34 GMT
#113
MKP gonna keep his crown.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
June 08 2012 04:37 GMT
#114
Nice write up, it was fun to read, especially the comment on Sheth. Overall I'd agree with the rankings, I'm personally hoping to see either a foreigner, Violet, or MKP take it, but there are so many other good players that I'm a fan of, so hopefully there will be great games this weekend.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 08 2012 04:38 GMT
#115
amazing, I love these power rank articles, great job.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
June 08 2012 04:39 GMT
#116
I just remembered while reading over it again that TLO isn't going to be there
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
June 08 2012 04:45 GMT
#117
IdrA should be on here somewhere.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 08 2012 04:45 GMT
#118
On June 08 2012 13:28 bLecK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2012 12:52 pariahGT wrote:
Seriously, why do people call DRG or MKP the best/potential best player in the world when MVP is still around? The two of them are no more dominant now then he was at his height last year - they're less dominant if anything - and he is still winning championships.
MVP has consistently crushed MKP on the biggest stage in GSL (going 8-2 in finals games), and to my recollection, he's positive against DRG in meaningful series/games as well. (Don't quote me there)
Starcraft II isn't in its infancy anymore and people need to start looking at the big picture, rather than the last two-three wins when determining the top player rankings. (Obviously, MVP isn't attending this MLG, and I'm speaking to the comments about MKP being the best player in the world; as well as the guy who called him a bonjwa) (lol)

Lets compare MVP's major accomplishments to MKP's.
MVP: Seven major championships, including a record four GSL's.
MKP: Two major championships, including zero GSL's, and a 2-8 record against MVP in GSL finals. (Relevant to point out because we're comparing the two of them)

How many times have we seen an elite player drop off for months at a time - or all together - after tearing up a tournament or two? MVP has been winning tournaments for a year and a half now, and what are his low points? Once or twice (tops) falling to code A? Playing through injury, and mostly against protoss - his worst matchup - he still took down the most recent GSL.
People need to stop calling MKP the best player in the world based on his two tourney wins, and consistent play alone. He might be nearly as consistent as MVP over starcraft two, but for the longest time he was known as the guy who was a guarantee to choke in the finals. MVP has never had any sort of negative stigma associated with his name aside from morons calling him out for not macroing in 100% of the games he plays.
During MVP's aleged 'slump' towards the later part of 2011, he still came second at a GSL, and got to the round of 4 the next time around.

This isn't an MVP fan party, it's simply reality. He has won more tournaments, made more money, and has been more consistent than anyone else in starcraft two, period. It's not debatable.

Also, going back to my point about him throwing in cheeses and all-ins nowadays: Remember last year when he was known as the hands down best macro player in the world? Yeah, it's still the same guy.


I agree with you to an extent. Obviously MVP has a much more distinguished record, BUT I believe recent form (Results in 2012) would favour MKP somewhat. As you said last year MVP was the best macro player in the world, well... that was last year when he didn't have an injury. Would MVP have far more distinctive results had he not been overcome with injury? Possibly. We'll have to wait till he recovers won't we? But as it is, I believe MKP in their current state, is a far better player.


if he was a far better player he would have won the gsl
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 08 2012 04:51 GMT
#119
Interesting that IdrA doesn't even get an honorable mention while HuK is at #19. Most of HuK's tournament success is due to lucky PvP brackets...if he can't hang in code A he definitely doesn't deserve to be above some of those other players.
dearyuna
Profile Joined December 2011
United States322 Posts
June 08 2012 04:55 GMT
#120
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2012 10:03 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:

#2: kr (Z)TSL_Symbol

DRG would be a safe choice for second in our power rankings. In the last four MLGs, DRG has placed in the top 2 in three of them. He has recently won a GSL. And he has shown he can devastate entire GSTL teams by himself, a feat that no player has yet matched. Until now.

Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time, TSL was a struggling team with a huge Zerg lineup filled with players that were, for the most part, indistinguishable. But one day, rather abruptly, Symbol decided he had had enough of it, got up, separated himself from the pack, and became one of the best Zergs in the world. No one has more momentum going into this MLG as much as Symbol, as in the last few months, he’s taken 2nd place at Iron Squid, 2nd place at MLG Spring Arena II Korean qualifier, and 2nd place at MLG Spring Arena II in addition to qualifying for code S.

But more recently, Symbol achieved something even more legendary, something only DRG had achieved before him. He became a “True Ace” for his team, a player with the ability to single handedly carry his entire team on his back, regardless of how much his teammates faltered, failed, and conspired to lose the series. He is the hero that TSL needs, and if he's the one they deserve, then they must have rescued a burning bus full of orphans in their past lives. And on his way to leading TSL to GSTL glory, Symbol has taken out a total of nine players in two matches, including Moon, Oz, Byul, Alive, Losira, Nestea, and MVP, an incredible run for anyone. In fact, in just these last 3 months alone, Symbol’s record versus champions include 3-0 vs MKP, 4-1 vs Nestea, 2-2 vs MVP, 2-0 vs Jjakji, 2-2 vs MC, 2-0 vs Stephano, 4-4 vs Polt, and 4-4 vs MMA.

The only notable GSL champion Symbol has not yet butt heads with is DRG, the player with whom he now contends for the title of best Zerg in the world. This MLG will be a test for both players. We will have an opportunity to see which is stronger, DRG’s consistency or Symbol’s seemingly unstoppable momentum. And whoever comes out the other end will have a very good claim to the throne of the swarm.

</p> </div> </div>
Writers: NrGmonk, tree.hugger and Waxangel.
Graphics: Meko
Editors: Waxangel and Antoine.



Even DRG didn't pull off that reverse all-kill lol
I do have to say, as much as Symbol really worked hard and made a name for himself, Coach Lee is amazing too. People can hate him or love him for the rumors that go around about him, but one things for sure; he really knows how to train and make players. He told fellow teamliquid TSL fan Dragonborn to watch out for Symbol 6 months ago, and now here he is. I think Symbol can easily take this MLG home for sure
I personally think Polt is still the best when it comes to a terran player standing a chance against the swarm though. He's not the only one pointing at the buff towards the ever increasing uphill battle for Terran players. He also has a knack for keeping the team together. After seeing how hard the players worked, TSL definitely deserves to be on the top.
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no bias at all
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