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squirtle would be like devo devo devo if he comes 2nd again. and more astronomical than mkp's multiple 2nd place finishes
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MVP the first legit best player in the game ? I hope so...c'mon MVP I know its gonna cost another virgin sacrifice to Lee Young Ho but it doesn't matter win the finals.
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On May 12 2012 04:20 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote:
It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless. 1. The man has serious wrist issues. 2. lategame tvp is disgusting atm. And please, learn the defintion of cheese.
Hey hey stay cool buddy don't shoot the messenger haha xD
1. Yeah I know, I hope he gets better, point still stands though
2. MarineKing is able to win straight up TvP without relying on gimmicks nearly as much as MVP, why can't MVP?
And about cheese, technically what he did were more of "timing attacks" which is just an elaborate term for "big cheese" basically you know 
Personally I like timing attacks a lot it's entertaining to watch, but you can't deny that when players rely purely on it to win games it's not a very good sign. MVP hasn't won a single long tvp match in the entire season yet.
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On May 12 2012 22:59 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 04:20 Assirra wrote:On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote:
It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless. 1. The man has serious wrist issues. 2. lategame tvp is disgusting atm. And please, learn the defintion of cheese. Hey hey stay cool buddy don't shoot the messenger haha xD 1. Yeah I know, I hope he gets better, point still stands though 2. MarineKing is able to win straight up TvP without relying on gimmicks nearly as much as MVP, why can't MVP? And about cheese, technically what he did were more of "timing attacks" which is just an elaborate term for "big cheese" basically you know
Because Mvp's wrists are exploding and in order to play late-game TvP and even survive the deathball you need unbelievable unit control, something that Mvp lacks currently.
I don't mind him all-ining for his 4th championship, because he's playing extremely smartly and preparing early-game timings for his TvP games. Something that Marineking probably should have done to beat PartinG in the Ro8.
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I really hope Squirtle wins this but the confidence MVP shows now probably will grant him another trophy.
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On May 12 2012 23:04 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 22:59 Demorase wrote:On May 12 2012 04:20 Assirra wrote:On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote:
It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless. 1. The man has serious wrist issues. 2. lategame tvp is disgusting atm. And please, learn the defintion of cheese. Hey hey stay cool buddy don't shoot the messenger haha xD 1. Yeah I know, I hope he gets better, point still stands though 2. MarineKing is able to win straight up TvP without relying on gimmicks nearly as much as MVP, why can't MVP? And about cheese, technically what he did were more of "timing attacks" which is just an elaborate term for "big cheese" basically you know Because Mvp's wrists are exploding and in order to play late-game TvP and even survive the deathball you need unbelievable unit control, something that Mvp lacks currently. I don't mind him all-ining for his 4th championship, because he's playing extremely smartly and preparing early-game timings for his TvP games. Something that Marineking probably should have done to beat PartinG in the Ro8.
Yeah that's true, would be nice if he can win a longer tvp during the finals though, just to prove he can do it. I like to think champions should be more of the complete package than just one-trick poneys
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On May 12 2012 23:15 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 23:04 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 12 2012 22:59 Demorase wrote:On May 12 2012 04:20 Assirra wrote:On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote:
It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless. 1. The man has serious wrist issues. 2. lategame tvp is disgusting atm. And please, learn the defintion of cheese. Hey hey stay cool buddy don't shoot the messenger haha xD 1. Yeah I know, I hope he gets better, point still stands though 2. MarineKing is able to win straight up TvP without relying on gimmicks nearly as much as MVP, why can't MVP? And about cheese, technically what he did were more of "timing attacks" which is just an elaborate term for "big cheese" basically you know Because Mvp's wrists are exploding and in order to play late-game TvP and even survive the deathball you need unbelievable unit control, something that Mvp lacks currently. I don't mind him all-ining for his 4th championship, because he's playing extremely smartly and preparing early-game timings for his TvP games. Something that Marineking probably should have done to beat PartinG in the Ro8. Yeah that's true, would be nice if he can win a longer tvp during the finals though, just to prove he can do it. I like to think champions should be more of the complete package than just one-trick poneys
True, but I'm pretty sure Mvp doesn't need to prove he can play macro games, since in 2011 he only played macro games, he rarely ever did all-in or cheesy builds, (one of the reasons he lost to MMA was that he was predictably trying to enter the macro late-game.
If anything I think he's impressing me more by completely reversing his playstyle to counter the greedy Protoss players at the moment.
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Squirtle fighting! Rooting hard for the Protoss brethren! Plus, I want to taste the Terran tears of QQ after Squirtle crushes this legendary Terran player
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Rooting for Squirtle even if I am a terran player!
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Its funny how fast people start writing off a player if they do not win anything recently even though they were and probably are still a top player like mvp. I mean hes the most accomplished player in starcraft 2 still it was not just by luck. That being said we know TvP is in protoss favor late game after all the P buffs like upgrades being cheaper mvp knows its stacked against him balance wise late game.
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On May 12 2012 23:15 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 23:04 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 12 2012 22:59 Demorase wrote:On May 12 2012 04:20 Assirra wrote:On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote:
It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless. 1. The man has serious wrist issues. 2. lategame tvp is disgusting atm. And please, learn the defintion of cheese. Hey hey stay cool buddy don't shoot the messenger haha xD 1. Yeah I know, I hope he gets better, point still stands though 2. MarineKing is able to win straight up TvP without relying on gimmicks nearly as much as MVP, why can't MVP? And about cheese, technically what he did were more of "timing attacks" which is just an elaborate term for "big cheese" basically you know Because Mvp's wrists are exploding and in order to play late-game TvP and even survive the deathball you need unbelievable unit control, something that Mvp lacks currently. I don't mind him all-ining for his 4th championship, because he's playing extremely smartly and preparing early-game timings for his TvP games. Something that Marineking probably should have done to beat PartinG in the Ro8. Yeah that's true, would be nice if he can win a longer tvp during the finals though, just to prove he can do it. I like to think champions should be more of the complete package than just one-trick poneys
Did you just imply that a guy with 3 gsls going into his 4th final is a one trick pony? You must be trolling.
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Cheese or not, I don't care - I still remember when Boxer 3x consecutively bunker rushed yellOw! The excitement was phenomenal!
Im not bothered whether its a long game or a short game - I assume both players are currently the best in the world, and it should be a spectacle nonetheless.
Long drawn out macros are fun, but not always better than short, exciting games (Recent april 8th BW finals with Bisu vs Flash - 7th game was an EPIC game)
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On May 13 2012 02:47 crocodile wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 23:15 Demorase wrote:On May 12 2012 23:04 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 12 2012 22:59 Demorase wrote:On May 12 2012 04:20 Assirra wrote:On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote:
It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless. 1. The man has serious wrist issues. 2. lategame tvp is disgusting atm. And please, learn the defintion of cheese. Hey hey stay cool buddy don't shoot the messenger haha xD 1. Yeah I know, I hope he gets better, point still stands though 2. MarineKing is able to win straight up TvP without relying on gimmicks nearly as much as MVP, why can't MVP? And about cheese, technically what he did were more of "timing attacks" which is just an elaborate term for "big cheese" basically you know Because Mvp's wrists are exploding and in order to play late-game TvP and even survive the deathball you need unbelievable unit control, something that Mvp lacks currently. I don't mind him all-ining for his 4th championship, because he's playing extremely smartly and preparing early-game timings for his TvP games. Something that Marineking probably should have done to beat PartinG in the Ro8. Yeah that's true, would be nice if he can win a longer tvp during the finals though, just to prove he can do it. I like to think champions should be more of the complete package than just one-trick poneys Did you just imply that a guy with 3 gsls going into his 4th final is a one trick pony? You must be trolling.
In TvP yeah, 100% of his wins against P so far have been 1 or 2 base all-ins that ended the game at around the 10 min mark.
Like I said, personally I don't mind timing attacks, but when it's only thing the player can do then it shows he's limited in this match-up.
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On May 13 2012 05:43 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 02:47 crocodile wrote:On May 12 2012 23:15 Demorase wrote:On May 12 2012 23:04 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 12 2012 22:59 Demorase wrote:On May 12 2012 04:20 Assirra wrote:On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote:
It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless. 1. The man has serious wrist issues. 2. lategame tvp is disgusting atm. And please, learn the defintion of cheese. Hey hey stay cool buddy don't shoot the messenger haha xD 1. Yeah I know, I hope he gets better, point still stands though 2. MarineKing is able to win straight up TvP without relying on gimmicks nearly as much as MVP, why can't MVP? And about cheese, technically what he did were more of "timing attacks" which is just an elaborate term for "big cheese" basically you know Because Mvp's wrists are exploding and in order to play late-game TvP and even survive the deathball you need unbelievable unit control, something that Mvp lacks currently. I don't mind him all-ining for his 4th championship, because he's playing extremely smartly and preparing early-game timings for his TvP games. Something that Marineking probably should have done to beat PartinG in the Ro8. Yeah that's true, would be nice if he can win a longer tvp during the finals though, just to prove he can do it. I like to think champions should be more of the complete package than just one-trick poneys Did you just imply that a guy with 3 gsls going into his 4th final is a one trick pony? You must be trolling. In TvP yeah, 100% of his wins against P so far have been 1 or 2 base all-ins that ended the game at around the 10 min mark. Like I said, personally I don't mind timing attacks, but when it's only thing the player can do then it shows he's limited in this match-up.
Reasoning with you is like trying to talk to a wall.
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On May 11 2012 21:06 Louis8k8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 19:52 Xpace wrote:On May 11 2012 13:26 jarf1337 wrote:
I don't like the suggestion that Squirtle is on the way to the best run in GSL history. Nestea already won a GSL going completely undefeated. How can something be better than undefeated? Squirtle beat previous MLG champion Leenock 2-0 and previous GSL champion MMA 2-1 in group stages, both arguably in the top 5 for their respective races. Then he goes 3-0 against Taeja, the king of Korean Weekly, and 3-0 against HerO, who needs no intro. Again, both extremely good champion material. Then he's going to face Mvp in the finals, a player whose achievements don't need mentioning. Nestea, on the other hand, got a default win against Rain, and a win against July 1-0. Mind you, group stage games were best of 1 back then. He moves on to beat Ensnare 2-0, Coca 3-0, and HongUn 3-0. I don't remember the last tournament Ensnare got good results, in fact he performed the worst out of all Koreans in the recent NASL. Same goes with HongUn - other than being known to make Carriers and beating former Protoss champion MC convincingly I don't recall him actually winning any tournaments. He beats Losira 4-0 in the finals. So that's three Zergs (and we all know Nestea's Korea ZvZ record), and one relatively unsuccessful Terran and Protoss. The difference, when you look at the details, are enormous. Yeah this exactly. Squirtle had some ridiculously hard opponents as opposed to Nestea's run. I'm was not a fan of squirtle because of so much over-hyping and lack of GSL presence. But I really like him now that he lives up to his hype. I'll be rooting for closest 4-3 high-intensity finals rather than rooting for one of the two to win. Either of them winning says a lot about the player and will be breaking some sort of GSL record.
Winning two consecutive finals with a 4-0 score and not dropping a single map between the two is so incredibly awesome that I doubt anything will ever come close to it.
Claiming that a guy going 14-1 in a single GSL can potentially rival that is down right insulting imo.
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If Squirtle takes this, wont he be some kind of gsl code S royal roader? Isn't this one his first code S?
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On May 13 2012 05:43 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 02:47 crocodile wrote:On May 12 2012 23:15 Demorase wrote:On May 12 2012 23:04 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 12 2012 22:59 Demorase wrote:On May 12 2012 04:20 Assirra wrote:On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote:
It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless. 1. The man has serious wrist issues. 2. lategame tvp is disgusting atm. And please, learn the defintion of cheese. Hey hey stay cool buddy don't shoot the messenger haha xD 1. Yeah I know, I hope he gets better, point still stands though 2. MarineKing is able to win straight up TvP without relying on gimmicks nearly as much as MVP, why can't MVP? And about cheese, technically what he did were more of "timing attacks" which is just an elaborate term for "big cheese" basically you know Because Mvp's wrists are exploding and in order to play late-game TvP and even survive the deathball you need unbelievable unit control, something that Mvp lacks currently. I don't mind him all-ining for his 4th championship, because he's playing extremely smartly and preparing early-game timings for his TvP games. Something that Marineking probably should have done to beat PartinG in the Ro8. Yeah that's true, would be nice if he can win a longer tvp during the finals though, just to prove he can do it. I like to think champions should be more of the complete package than just one-trick poneys Did you just imply that a guy with 3 gsls going into his 4th final is a one trick pony? You must be trolling. In TvP yeah, 100% of his wins against P so far have been 1 or 2 base all-ins that ended the game at around the 10 min mark. Like I said, personally I don't mind timing attacks, but when it's only thing the player can do then it shows he's limited in this match-up.
You must be new to the sc2 scene and haven't been watching his games since he started playing. That or you have downs syndrome. I'll let you figure out which one.
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On May 12 2012 22:59 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 04:20 Assirra wrote:On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote:
It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless. 1. The man has serious wrist issues. 2. lategame tvp is disgusting atm. And please, learn the defintion of cheese. Hey hey stay cool buddy don't shoot the messenger haha xD 1. Yeah I know, I hope he gets better, point still stands though 2. MarineKing is able to win straight up TvP without relying on gimmicks nearly as much as MVP, why can't MVP? And about cheese, technically what he did were more of "timing attacks" which is just an elaborate term for "big cheese" basically you know Personally I like timing attacks a lot it's entertaining to watch, but you can't deny that when players rely purely on it to win games it's not a very good sign. MVP hasn't won a single long tvp match in the entire season yet.
Bro, you wouldn't understand the kind of physical pain he is experiencing while he is playing. I personally suffer from CTS at a minor extent which prevents me from playing over 1-2 hours of time but hell, when I feel even a little bit of pain, I rest for the entire day.
MVP is suffering from a much more serious degree of it and is still attempting to win the finals. But I don't blame the general mob mentality of no being understanding of a human being because until they experience the same pain or knows someone close that also has it, they most likely won't change their mind.
It's like trying to sympathize with a terminal cancer patient when you have never fought cancer yourself or know anyone else who has by saying "it's okay, you're going to be fine" It's like a slap in the face.
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On May 13 2012 02:04 snakeeyez wrote:
Its funny how fast people start writing off a player if they do not win anything recently even though they were and probably are still a top player like mvp. I mean hes the most accomplished player in starcraft 2 still it was not just by luck. That being said we know TvP is in protoss favor late game after all the P buffs like upgrades being cheaper mvp knows its stacked against him balance wise late game.
I love the ridiculous spin placed upon these finals. If MVP loses, it's not because squirtle is a very good protoss, or because MVP historically had a weaker TvP winning most of his championships on the back of his god-tier TvT/TvZ. It's none of that. It's because TvP is imbalanced. And of course, if MVP wins, well then he's just a god and theres simply no disputing it.
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