I'm even more of an MVP fan now, and he has become my all time favorite Terrran player. No matter the situation, in spite of his injury and even with his most recent performances, MVP still manages to find the strength to play to the best of his ability and win games even when some of us didn't even give him a second chance. Admirable, incredible.
You borrowed that from my reply yesterday in the LR thread, I'm glad you found it as inspirational as I found MVP's story to be both impressive and inspiring.
In my heart MVP is already a champion for this amazing run, which he achieved trough smart play and careful analysis, even with CTS gnawing at his wrists and young protosses hungry for his blood. I hope he can make the final push!
Oh I see, 1/1/1 isn't cheese anymore, that makes total sense, just like 4gate right? And at least 4gate actually got nerfed.
4gate is just an aggressive 1 base play... proxy gate/stargate or dt rush would be cheese 1/1/1 is technically just a one base opening, with the specific all-in usually being (but not always) the marine/tank/banshee. saying a 1/1/1 that goes into a one-base all in is cheese is like saying a 3gate/robo opening that went into an immortal bust all-in is also cheese (i don't know protoss well enough to know if that's the specific opening for immortal bust, but the analogy applies to any other opening that happens to go into a one-base all-in timing attack)
Yes, abusing terrans completely broken tech tree is totally not abusing game mechanics right?
lol?
in that specific game 2, PartinG scouted the marine/tank/banshee push when MVP moved out and he had all the elements to defend: gateway stuff, good number of immortals, even phoenixes! But Parting botched the defense (letting his immortals get picked off by marines) and there's nothing to blame other than Parting himself. During the broadcast, Artosis even outlined what parting needed to do in order to break the contain at the ramp. others have stated before in other matches that part of stopping such a timing push is to force the terran to seige prematurely so as to buy more warp-in time and better positioning. for someone with such a boasted high level of PvT, a marine/tank/banshee all-in defense should be standard fare.
here's a post from earlier in the thread that i think is very fitting for your argument:
On May 11 2012 12:39 wasabay wrote: I didn't think Mvp went for any cheese at all for all 4 games
He didn't.
Game 2? 1/1/1 all in? The other games weren't cheese but how is 1/1/1'ing without an expansion not cheese?
All-ins and cheese are two different things. 6 pool is cheese. Cannon rushing is cheese. 2rax with only 10 scvs is cheese. Having 70 supply worth of units with an attack beginning at the 10 minute mark is not cheese.
I'm not going to lie, I dont like very many protoss players in general but the few that I do like Squirtle is one of them. I also love MvP. MvP has shown sick ability even though hes having a rough year. It shows the type of character, willingness, and competitiveness of MvP. GL to them Both.
P.S.: Go MvP! 4-Time GSL Champ sounds really good. P.P.S: Squirtle make it go to the last match!
AAAHHHHH I dont know who to chose. The Terran inside of me wants MvP but apart of me also wants Squirtle
awww I got both wrong... I thought Squirtle might win, but MvP's victory was a shock. Congratulations to both, but I am rooting for Squirtle as Protoss needs a new President! (it's election time :-p)
Oh I see, 1/1/1 isn't cheese anymore, that makes total sense, just like 4gate right? And at least 4gate actually got nerfed.
4gate is just an aggressive 1 base play... proxy gate/stargate or dt rush would be cheese 1/1/1 is technically just a one base opening, with the specific all-in usually being (but not always) the marine/tank/banshee. saying a 1/1/1 that goes into a one-base all in is cheese is like saying a 3gate/robo opening that went into an immortal bust all-in is also cheese (i don't know protoss well enough to know if that's the specific opening for immortal bust, but the analogy applies to any other opening that happens to go into a one-base all-in timing attack)
Yes, abusing terrans completely broken tech tree is totally not abusing game mechanics right?
lol?
in that specific game 2, PartinG scouted the marine/tank/banshee push when MVP moved out and he had all the elements to defend: gateway stuff, good number of immortals, even phoenixes! But Parting botched the defense (letting his immortals get picked off by marines) and there's nothing to blame other than Parting himself. During the broadcast, Artosis even outlined what parting needed to do in order to break the contain at the ramp. others have stated before in other matches that part of stopping such a timing push is to force the terran to seige prematurely so as to buy more warp-in time and better positioning. for someone with such a boasted high level of PvT, a marine/tank/banshee all-in defense should be standard fare.
here's a post from earlier in the thread that i think is very fitting for your argument:
On May 11 2012 12:39 wasabay wrote: I didn't think Mvp went for any cheese at all for all 4 games
He didn't.
Game 2? 1/1/1 all in? The other games weren't cheese but how is 1/1/1'ing without an expansion not cheese?
All-ins and cheese are two different things. 6 pool is cheese. Cannon rushing is cheese. 2rax with only 10 scvs is cheese. Having 70 supply worth of units with an attack beginning at the 10 minute mark is not cheese.
No that's just your definition of cheese, most people (including casters) called 4 gate a cheese when it was actually still being used, even though that build was easier to expand from (earliest moment to expand is just after the push hits, which is a lot faster), not to mention that a toss usually won't pull a significant amount of probes for it, and never the amounts MVP chooses to go with.
A cheese is just another term for an all-in, or rather people like day9 who, for very understandable reasons, want to seem as impartial as possible, use it as a less charged word for cheese, not all all-ins have to be cheesy, but cheeses are always all-in.
well with squirtle and mvp in his current condition, it will most likely be a quick finals, as in games are short and full of early aggression. But they will be far away from scv marine rush finals still xD
I'm a little disappointed that MVP is relying so much on early all-ins, but with his current wrist condition I can hardly hold it against him. Both are worthy champions and I can't wait.
On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote: It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless.
Argg, I think it would be pretty epic if Squirtle wins...and honestly, he seems unstoppable at the moment! Then again, you can never really count MVP out of anything! Should be a fantastic series to watch, can't wait one bit!!!
On May 12 2012 00:04 Demorase wrote: It's funny because even though MVP could potentially win this season he doesn't really seem like a champion at all unlike the previous seasons when he won.
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do to win, but his run feels kind of cheap imo. You know how it feels, like when Rain reached the finals about a year ago only to get destroyed by MC because he got there by cheesing only and had no idea how to play a real TvP. Now MVP's cheeses are much more elaborate compared to Rain's of course, but they're cheeses nonetheless.
Blame the match-up, not the player trying to win.
It's kind of blatant why he's the only Terran still standing, and although that reason is also the reason behind him being raged at by a lot of people saying "cheeser" and such, he doesn't care, and he shouldn't.
Winners do what it takes to win, this season has been very Protoss dominated, and if he manages to win it while gimped it says everything about how strong as a player he is.
I hope Squirtle can take down MvP. I think he deserves it especially after TaeJa and HerO were hyped to win by tastosis during the casts...Regardless of the manner in which Squirtle won; he won, in decisive, sweeping fashion.
I'm an MvP fan and I hope Squirtle wins.
Squirtle had such an impressive run @ IPL 4; again sweeping almost every opponent upto the Finals where he took the first bo5...
EPT
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