On May 11 2012 13:26 jarf1337 wrote: I don't like the suggestion that Squirtle is on the way to the best run in GSL history. Nestea already won a GSL going completely undefeated. How can something be better than undefeated?
There are more games in Code-S then there were when Nestea went undefeated, the starting group stages were best of 1, they're now best of 3, hence he's gone on a larger streak then Nestea did in terms of games as long as he wins his first game against MVP.
Nestea did come off a 4-0 final the month before his undefeated run which I guess could be counted into the streak.
Either way, Squirtle has lost more this season than infinitly times the amount Nestea lost in GSL July 2011 Going undefeated should be a more impressive run than going X-1.
Squirtle gets too little acknowledgment for what he accomplished so far. The most impressive run 2012 and yet, everybody is talking about how incredibly good MVP is, who constantly 1/2 bases in the last two rounds (just look at the MC comments: everytime he does an all in, it's because he can't play macro games. everytime a terran does that, he obviously read his opponents..). I really wish squirtle to win, so everybody realises who good he actually is
"But recently, I've read a lot of articles on SC2 transition and the hybrid Proleague, a format where if you play in one game, you have to play the other game the next time you're up. That, honestly, I think from the perspective of an SC1 pro-gamer, it will be extremely hard. When I first started SC2, I sometimes played a few games of SC1. But really, the interface, hotkeys, etc. are so different. So my skill level really fell a lot in SC1. But the current SC1 players will have to practice for both games, so it will be really hard, so I'm disappointed about that. I think it was too much of a selfish, top-down decision without thinking about the players, so I think it's a bad idea."
Exactly what I think, so sad. :<
Mvp is a good boy, I hope he will win this Championship.
On May 11 2012 18:55 ooozer wrote: Squirtle gets too little acknowledgment for what he accomplished so far. The most impressive run 2012 and yet, everybody is talking about how incredibly good MVP is, who constantly 1/2 bases in the last two rounds (just look at the MC comments: everytime he does an all in, it's because he can't play macro games. everytime a terran does that, he obviously read his opponents..). I really wish squirtle to win, so everybody realises who good he actually is
Ah it's the same thing MC/MVP, smell the weakness and go for it, though I can't help feeling that 4 medivac drop shouldn't have worked... and I still hate seeing a 1/1/1 all-in work (that's even when its me doing them). I'm backing squirtle too, he's got more style (and startale fighting!), but he's going to have to be sharp vs MVP's bottled game sense. Mostly I hope the final brings better games.
On May 11 2012 13:26 jarf1337 wrote: I don't like the suggestion that Squirtle is on the way to the best run in GSL history. Nestea already won a GSL going completely undefeated. How can something be better than undefeated?
Squirtle beat previous MLG champion Leenock 2-0 and previous GSL champion MMA 2-1 in group stages, both arguably in the top 5 for their respective races. Then he goes 3-0 against Taeja, the king of Korean Weekly, and 3-0 against HerO, who needs no intro. Again, both extremely good champion material. Then he's going to face Mvp in the finals, a player whose achievements don't need mentioning.
Nestea, on the other hand, got a default win against Rain, and a win against July 1-0. Mind you, group stage games were best of 1 back then. He moves on to beat Ensnare 2-0, Coca 3-0, and HongUn 3-0. I don't remember the last tournament Ensnare got good results, in fact he performed the worst out of all Koreans in the recent NASL. Same goes with HongUn - other than being known to make Carriers and beating former Protoss champion MC convincingly I don't recall him actually winning any tournaments. He beats Losira 4-0 in the finals. So that's three Zergs (and we all know Nestea's Korea ZvZ record), and one relatively unsuccessful Terran and Protoss.
The difference, when you look at the details, are enormous.
Squirtle also improved his GSL PvP record to 13 – 1, suggesting that he is the only one who actually understands the match-up, while the rest of us claiming that luck plays a significant role could stand to play a few thousand more games.
On May 11 2012 13:26 jarf1337 wrote: I don't like the suggestion that Squirtle is on the way to the best run in GSL history. Nestea already won a GSL going completely undefeated. How can something be better than undefeated?
Squirtle beat previous MLG champion Leenock 2-0 and previous GSL champion MMA 2-1 in group stages, both arguably in the top 5 for their respective races. Then he goes 3-0 against Taeja, the king of Korean Weekly, and 3-0 against HerO, who needs no intro. Again, both extremely good champion material. Then he's going to face Mvp in the finals, a player whose achievements don't need mentioning.
Nestea, on the other hand, got a default win against Rain, and a win against July 1-0. Mind you, group stage games were best of 1 back then. He moves on to beat Ensnare 2-0, Coca 3-0, and HongUn 3-0. I don't remember the last tournament Ensnare got good results, in fact he performed the worst out of all Koreans in the recent NASL. Same goes with HongUn - other than being known to make Carriers and beating former Protoss champion MC convincingly I don't recall him actually winning any tournaments. He beats Losira 4-0 in the finals. So that's three Zergs (and we all know Nestea's Korea ZvZ record), and one relatively unsuccessful Terran and Protoss.
The difference, when you look at the details, are enormous.
Yeah this exactly. Squirtle had some ridiculously hard opponents as opposed to Nestea's run.
I'm was not a fan of squirtle because of so much over-hyping and lack of GSL presence. But I really like him now that he lives up to his hype. I'll be rooting for closest 4-3 high-intensity finals rather than rooting for one of the two to win. Either of them winning says a lot about the player and will be breaking some sort of GSL record.
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