ForGG's quest for redemption begins with a fairly easy test. We last saw cOre in the GSL one year ago in Code A January, where he dropped out 0-2 against Vanvanth. To qualify for this GSL, he went through the virtually unknown NSH_Fairy and run of the mill Code B player ZeNEXMushroom, not the most challenging opponents.
Even though ForGG has been massively disappointing by any measure – whether it be the enormous amount of hype given by Brood War fans or his own declaration that he would win Code S – he is still a formidable player. He made his Code A opponents look absolutely out-classed in the previous GSL, and did very well against the crème de la crème of Code S in his stacked RO32 group including Leenock, MC, and Supernova. At the very least, ForGG is a Code S class player, and cOre is unlikely to get in the way of his return.
Through merit or necessity, Jjun has earned a place on ZeNEX's starting line up as their main Terran player. Unfortunately, he has not been very successful thus far. Like many of his ZeNEX teammates, we want to infer that his presence on a Korean pro-gaming team means something – but whatever it is, it probably doesn't suggest he has the ability to make it to Code S.
As for July, he's akin to fellow Golden Mouse winner oGsNada, in that he seems content to chill in the GSL while reminding people about a certain Elephant. Although July dropped out of Code S last season, it was only by narrowest of margins as JYP advanced past him due to a head to head tie-break rule. Though Code A will be tougher come the later rounds, the first match should be a cake walk for the God of War.
As a result of so many good players competing in Code A, a clash between two seemingly sure-fire Code S players is an unfortunate side effect. In the case of TheStC, it's doubly unfortunate as he faces a top class Zerg oppponent in the first round for the second tournament in a row. A former Code A winner (Curious), followed by a Code S finalist (Losira)? That's just life in the new GSL.
Statistically, it's a battle of worst match-up versus worst match-up (TheStC 56% vs Zerg, Losira 46% vs Terran), although I would like to say the stats are a bit misleading. In the last few months, TheStC hasn't really lost to anyone in TvZ in various online cups (where he spends most of his time as he contemplates why he can't get his Code S break). He lost 2 – 4 to Leenock, but every Terran who's name isn't MMA loses to Leenock as well, so all I can really say is he's outside the top 0.07th percentile of Terran players. As for Losira, his relatively poor record also stems from losses earlier in his career, while he has a pretty good ZvT record since November (11 – 5).
It's an even battle on paper, but I'll give the benefit of doubt to Losira. TheStC looked alright in last week's GSTL games, but he's going to have to live with the GSL choker tag until he proves it wrong at least once. Losira's been on a variety of big stages, and he's performed very well under all sorts of pressure.
The temptation is great to throw Clide under the bus once and for all, and say that the new GSL system has finally worked out and that mediocre players such as Clide have been weeded out of Code S for good. However, each time people have given up and Clide and declared that his long stay in Code S was only because he was lucky, he has always found a way to surge back and prove all those haters wrong.
Now that he's faced with elimination from Code A, I'm getting those vibes again. Yeah, he played bad in his Up-Down groups. Yeah, he played bad in GSTL. But good lord, SlayerS decided to play him instead of Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi, or Boxer - all players that we think are better than him? Not to mention the fact that they picked him up at all, considering their already deep Terran line. The only way I can explain it is to presume that Clide must be a god in practice. He's doing something behind the scenes that we're not seeing, and he just occasionally lets it shine through in GSL games as well. Sure, you can bet that this hidden Clide won't show up on the day of the games, but if he does...
In any case, it's hard to believe he'll lose to Sniper, whose most notable achievement so far has been to remind us of why we'd rather see Sase play PvT, not PvZ. Even with such an unpredictable veteran like Clide playing, it's hard not to take him over a player we've barely seen, and has been in disappointing in those appearances.
Wow, it's been a long time since we've seen Huk. For the first time in what seems like forever, Huk hasn't been flying to a new city every weekend, playing in a new tournament and then having to make a jet lagged trip back to Korea to participate in the GSL. Some might think that the lack of tournaments lately for Huk might be a bad thing, giving off a rust effect in his all important first round Code A match, but I'm positive about his chances to get past the first round.
Even though he's had a long break, can you really say a little rust is so much worse than his previous schedule where he spent half of his time in airports and airplanes? Let's say this fresh, non-exhausted HuK practiced for half a week before this match. That would be the best conditions he's had going into a GSL match since summer of 2011.
Looking at his opponent, Terious is no slouch, definitely showing the potential of a player who could be one of the best Zerg prospects we've seen come through Code A in quite a while. The only problem for Terious is that he has shown nerves in the booth before, and if he wants to get past Huk, he will need to put those fears behind him and play his best games.
In the end, Huk should be the favorite. It was not too long ago that Huk was considered one of, if not the best, Protoss in the world, had gotten to the quarterfinals of a Code S and won MLG Orlando over MC. With the rest that he has gotten over the past month, he should be ready to take on the Zerg from Prime and give a good show for his fans in his 2012 season opener.
From recent interviews, Idra continues to take the stance that Zerg cannot beat Protoss. Luckily(?) for him, he gets to prove this theory correct against ZeNex's Avenge in a match to see who will live on in the GSL. This match has huge importance for Idra, who was given a sponsored seed into Code S and was quickly bounced, ending up 4th in his group after losing to Nestea and Lucky. If he loses here, he will be out of the GSL entirely and have to qualify the hard way to get back in.
Not only did Idra say that Protoss cannot lose to Zerg, but he also commented that his opponent Avenge is nothing special. After his performance against Vines and TheStC in team league, Avenge didn't look like a world beater by any means, but he will be no pushover for Idra. A lot of people are looking forward to Huk and Idra destroying their Korean counterparts in the first round and meeting in the second round in an epic clash of former rivals turned teammates, but if Idra isn't confident in his ZvP, Avenge isn't the type of player that can be looked down upon.
Sen, like his sponsored seed partner Idra, didn't have a good run in Code S. He landed in 4th while being unable to take a game against either Jjakji or Boxer. He had Boxer on the ropes on different occasions, but Sen would fall apart in the late game and not be able to find the right composition of units to end the game with. It always feels like that Sen can get into a good position in the mid game against tough Korean opponents, but when it edges toward the end, Sen ends up committing some fatal error. Whether it's investing too much into Brood Lords at the cost of supporting troops, or losing his infestors due to a misclick, there's always some way for his well laid plans to fall apart.
Even with that, you cannot say Sen isn't a very good player. He has the talent to beat people in Code A and even a few of the stragglers in Code S. I don't believe, at the moment, that he could be a force in the main league, but his ZvZ is top notch. IMTrue isn't the same as facing Nestea or even Losira. True is a ladder warrior, almost always showing up on other popular progamer streams in Korea, and from what I've seen, he's really good part of the time, but can also fall apart in the late game as well.
This should be a close game between two players trying to prove they belong in the GSL, but I have to give it to Sen in this one. He will be extra focused after falling out of Code S in embarrassing fashion, and he will be allowed to play his best match-up. Seeing as this is True's first time in GSL singles competition, the nerves could be a factor as well.
A year ago, in the first ever GSTL, Tasteless fell in love with a Protoss player. Tasteless believed that this Protoss player would go onto to do great things. He would follow in the footsteps of his teammates MVP and Nestea, becoming the power house Protoss that Incredible Miracle needed to become an unstoppable force. With such an impressive showing in the team league, this player looked like he had an amazingly bright future.
Now, almost on the anniversary of his first appearance in the GOM Studios, Seed has arrived and he is ready to unleash a year's worth of pent up aggression on every nerd's ass in Code A. It took him a long time to finally get into Code A, but now that he is here, we will finally see if the Protoss that Tasteless (not Artosis) hyped can become the real deal against Monster from MVP.
Both players have great practice partners to work with. Seed obviously has Losira and Nestea while Monster can work with Genius from his squad. Monster's a good player, but the real player to watch out for in this series is Seed. How good is he? A year ago during GSTL, he was an absolute beast, but since then he hasn't appeared much in the team leagues and hasn't been able to qualify for Code A until now.
The seeds have been planted and it's now time to see if either a beautiful Protoss flower will emerge, or another over-hyped Protoss disappointment.
Prediction: Seed 2 - 0 Monster
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What I love the most about the new GSL format is that you get to see a lot of unfamiliar faces in Code A, so often times you never know what to expect in the Round 1 matchups. I hope that this season we get to see another breakout star much like Startale Parting.
I agree with all the predictions, but I think that TheSTC has what it takes to beat Losira 2-1.
Core is quite underrated and will be a strong code a player soon imo.
Forgg didn't take a game since he qualify fore code s iirc, including ksl and korean weekly, so he didn't have such a strong showing but pretty sure he performs better when he has time to train
Forgg should still be able to take it though
And wtf losira vs thestc, both deserve to stay in code a. Hope one of them will get an invitation for code a or s.
I quite agree with the predictions, especially IdrA, it's weird how people thought he was gonna advance from his Code S group... talk about foreigner bias -_______-
In fact it isn't even foreigner bias as if HuK got a hard as hell Code S group people wouldn't say that he is definitely going to advance.
Finally the pic on the homepage has changed I don't have to cum myself everytime I see Jaedong's sexy face!
Seriously though my Dad kept asking why I was looking at a picture of him...
On January 31 2012 07:56 Waxangel wrote: Hmmm, I think he foreigner predictions are on the optimistic side, but not unreasonable :o
Optimistic is a clear understatement. I want both Huk and Idra to win but I cant see Idra winning against (any) protoss with his attitude. He is basically down 0-1 from the start when he takes that stance.
Really excited to see how Seed does. From what I've seen of him in the various team leagues he's an absolute beast. Hopefully he can live up to the hype.
I think Idra and Huk have very good odds to get past this round. They are both training in the Slayers house so I'm hoping even with the language barrier they can get some good advice from the coaches on the matchups. I'm sure they have scouting reports on those 2 players they are up against.
As an Idra anti fan (well, not exactly, let's say as a non idra fan), I hope he'll win tomorrow. He has a real shot at it, and a single win is enough to go to the up and downs and to enter the GSL circuit, please do it.
On January 31 2012 07:48 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Even though ForGG has been massively disappointing by any measure – whether it be the enormous amount of hype given by Brood War fans or his own declaration that he would win Code S – he is still a formidable player. He made his Code A opponents look absolutely out-classed in the previous GSL, and did very well against the crème de la crème of Code S in his stacked RO32 group including Leenock, MC, and Supernova. At the very least, ForGG is a Code S class player, and cOre is unlikely to get in the way of his return.
Prediction: ForGG 2 - 0 Core
IMO "massively disappointing by any measure" is a massive overstatement. Two of those players in his groups are GSL champions. Supernova is a legit Code-S player too. Just because he's an ex-BW player it's a massive disappointment when he doesn't have a good result in a tournament of the top 32 players?
On January 31 2012 07:48 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Even though ForGG has been massively disappointing by any measure – whether it be the enormous amount of hype given by Brood War fans or his own declaration that he would win Code S – he is still a formidable player. He made his Code A opponents look absolutely out-classed in the previous GSL, and did very well against the crème de la crème of Code S in his stacked RO32 group including Leenock, MC, and Supernova. At the very least, ForGG is a Code S class player, and cOre is unlikely to get in the way of his return.
Prediction: ForGG 2 - 0 Core
IMO "massively disappointing by any measure" is a massive overstatement. Two of those players in his groups are GSL champions. Supernova is a legit Code-S player too. Just because he's an ex-BW player it's a massive disappointment when he doesn't have a good result in a tournament of the top 32 players?
I kind of agree, but with all the hype from the bw enthusiast, it's an accurate statement.
the predictions are... well predictable, incredibly so. My only surprise was that you didn't have idra 2-1 over avenge since we always favor foreigners on this website.
I'm thinking July might not make it out of this group. He seems like he's ready to go to the military. Wasn't there a rumor out there that his service window is closing?
I wonder when we protoss will finally get our MVP/Nestea? It's been too long since MC smashed nerd faces in, since a protoss made it at least to the GSL finals, since we tasted sweet, sweet Zerg tears. I sincerely hope Seed can do it, I sincerely do, but I think we'll just see him wilt, despite the fact the Artosis jinx isn't in effect here.
On January 31 2012 07:48 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Even though ForGG has been massively disappointing by any measure – whether it be the enormous amount of hype given by Brood War fans or his own declaration that he would win Code S – he is still a formidable player. He made his Code A opponents look absolutely out-classed in the previous GSL, and did very well against the crème de la crème of Code S in his stacked RO32 group including Leenock, MC, and Supernova. At the very least, ForGG is a Code S class player, and cOre is unlikely to get in the way of his return.
Prediction: ForGG 2 - 0 Core
IMO "massively disappointing by any measure" is a massive overstatement. Two of those players in his groups are GSL champions. Supernova is a legit Code-S player too. Just because he's an ex-BW player it's a massive disappointment when he doesn't have a good result in a tournament of the top 32 players?
Well, quite a lot of people were trying to call him a top-tier player already and a likely candidate to win the gsl on his first run in code S. He was supposed to be the harbinger of the BW apocalypse that would occur once the more successful BW pros began to switch. So given that hype it's reasonable to be harsh on him for losing, even though it was the group of death. Not only that, but since then ForGG has lost almost every match I've seen him in, especially against protoss.
He's the favorite over Core, but I'm not going to be too surprised if he loses either.
A fairly safe bet is that Idra will win if he wins the first game of the set and lose otherwise. If he and Sen both lose 0-2 does that mean that 2 foreign spots open up? If so I wouldn't be happy about their losses, although I'd be happy to see Nerchio get a shot in Code S and of course I'd love to see Stephano there but he's already nixed the idea. After Nerchio I'd probably like to see Kas get a shot; he's been playing really well. I think any of those players I just named has a better chance of advancing in Code S than either Sen or Idra.
Sadly, I've lost all faith in IdrA since he's always so eager to blame others instead of himself. Plenty of zergs are beating toss right now, but he refuses.
On January 31 2012 07:48 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Even though ForGG has been massively disappointing by any measure – whether it be the enormous amount of hype given by Brood War fans or his own declaration that he would win Code S – he is still a formidable player. He made his Code A opponents look absolutely out-classed in the previous GSL, and did very well against the crème de la crème of Code S in his stacked RO32 group including Leenock, MC, and Supernova. At the very least, ForGG is a Code S class player, and cOre is unlikely to get in the way of his return.
Prediction: ForGG 2 - 0 Core
IMO "massively disappointing by any measure" is a massive overstatement. Two of those players in his groups are GSL champions. Supernova is a legit Code-S player too. Just because he's an ex-BW player it's a massive disappointment when he doesn't have a good result in a tournament of the top 32 players?
You're correct, but it depends on whether you only look at his GSL results. Over the GSL, KSL, ESV Weekly and FXOpen Invitational, ForGG is now on a 10-game losing streak. He's managed to win 1 game out of his last 15. That's a very disappointing run for any player, let alone someone with the hypementum of ForGG. If it continues for much longer people might have to re-analyze his Code A games to try to figure out why everyone thought he looked so good there.
Although IdrA's PvZ is sub-par to the rest of his match ups, I really hope that he makes it through and same with HuK. Not only do we get to see HuK vs IdrA, but two of the world's favorite foreigners will have a chance in the Up and Downs. I just don't want to see them lose, as I think that Code B is probably going to be a hell of a trip to get through for both of them.
On January 31 2012 14:57 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote: Wax so optimistic. Predicting IdrA to go down 1:2 instead of 0:2!
Trolol. On a more serious note, I wonder how does the mental status of a player who frequents on TL is affected by the predictions made about him by official posts. Even if they publicly shrug it off, it must have some kind of psychological impact, especially if they have been a member of this community for many years. I'm not referring only to Idra and losing, but also Huk and winning. Both can be perceived as having positive and negative affects, depending what light you shine on the subject. Regardless, predictions should be made as unbiased as possible, it's just something I'm curious about.
I reckon Huk has the ability and mental fortitude to make it through. Idra may surprise us and I do hope he will, but his mentality towards Protoss still seems shaky at best.
TheSTC vs Losira should be a spectacular series, though. Also it'd be great if fOrGG can turn it on again like he did against Sage.
On January 31 2012 14:57 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote: Wax so optimistic. Predicting IdrA to go down 1:2 instead of 0:2!
Trolol. On a more serious note, I wonder how does the mental status of a player who frequents on TL is affected by the predictions made about him by official posts. Even if they publicly shrug it off, it must have some kind of psychological impact, especially if they have been a member of this community for many years. I'm not referring only to Idra and losing, but also Huk and winning. Both can be perceived as having positive and negative affects, depending what light you shine on the subject. Regardless, predictions should be made as unbiased as possible, it's just something I'm curious about.
don't think any professional athlete in any discipline thinks the media knows shit about their game
Yea, Im forced to agree with Dubznex ... It would seem that only HuK will advance, Idra and Sen are strong players and Idra has a huge fanbase... but I dont see them getting past the korean powerhouses. Where's HuK, now that his travel induced tilt is over, should have no problem whaitiiiing his way to the Top 4 of this Code A. Gl Hf to all! :D
Wow, sure brought out all the Taiwanese guys to the surface. Although I must say that due to nationality I am obligated to laugh hard at those that were predicting Sen's downfall... and then go home and cry because of Huk's loss. Sad day for toss...
On January 31 2012 14:57 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote: Wax so optimistic. Predicting IdrA to go down 1:2 instead of 0:2!
It's idiots like you that make pro's not wanna post on TL.
And he was actually right, oops :p
So? it's about the way people talk about pro's putting themself on the line here, not if he actually got the result right. So no, no oops, idiot.
The way you talk yourself is far more offensive than that harmless comment, it was more funny/sarcastic than full on talking down the player, so chill out
On January 31 2012 14:57 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote: Wax so optimistic. Predicting IdrA to go down 1:2 instead of 0:2!
Trolol. On a more serious note, I wonder how does the mental status of a player who frequents on TL is affected by the predictions made about him by official posts. Even if they publicly shrug it off, it must have some kind of psychological impact, especially if they have been a member of this community for many years. I'm not referring only to Idra and losing, but also Huk and winning. Both can be perceived as having positive and negative affects, depending what light you shine on the subject. Regardless, predictions should be made as unbiased as possible, it's just something I'm curious about.
don't think any professional athlete in any discipline thinks the media knows shit about their game
Very likely, but I'm thinking it in terms of morale more so than credibility. Sure I don't care what some random jerk on bnet says about me, but something my family says about me, regardless of how intelligent I think my family members are, would carry much more weight. My point being, to these guys TL is probably more than any random circle jerk website and a headline article would carry some emotional impact, regardless of how they feel about the intelligence/knowledge of the author.
I doubt even players themselves would be able to accurately discuss how they feel, because as professionals they really shouldn't be affected by this stuff. I still imagine though someone like Terrell Owens, even he eventually made public responses and cameo appearances on TV shows responding to comments about him. Point being it had an impact on him on some level. Question is how did it impact his performance and attitude.
On January 31 2012 14:57 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote: Wax so optimistic. Predicting IdrA to go down 1:2 instead of 0:2!
Trolol. On a more serious note, I wonder how does the mental status of a player who frequents on TL is affected by the predictions made about him by official posts. Even if they publicly shrug it off, it must have some kind of psychological impact, especially if they have been a member of this community for many years. I'm not referring only to Idra and losing, but also Huk and winning. Both can be perceived as having positive and negative affects, depending what light you shine on the subject. Regardless, predictions should be made as unbiased as possible, it's just something I'm curious about.
don't think any professional athlete in any discipline thinks the media knows shit about their game
That's what they say, and that's what they think. But many are affected, I'm sure. Your opinion is wishful thinking.
I saw this thread after Sen won and just lol at those saying True is really good. guess what, sen is better!
i think all sen need is some one good enough to practice against the fact he can always come out ahead in the mid game and lose in the late game clearly shows that he just hadn't have the chance to play enough late game he will most likely won already in the mid game against a lesser player it is not easy to find another player good enough to practice late game with on ladder or in his team
On January 31 2012 14:57 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote: Wax so optimistic. Predicting IdrA to go down 1:2 instead of 0:2!
Trolol. On a more serious note, I wonder how does the mental status of a player who frequents on TL is affected by the predictions made about him by official posts. Even if they publicly shrug it off, it must have some kind of psychological impact, especially if they have been a member of this community for many years. I'm not referring only to Idra and losing, but also Huk and winning. Both can be perceived as having positive and negative affects, depending what light you shine on the subject. Regardless, predictions should be made as unbiased as possible, it's just something I'm curious about.
don't think any professional athlete in any discipline thinks the media knows shit about their game
That's what they say, and that's what they think. But many are affected, I'm sure. Your opinion is wishful thinking.
cause you've evidences to support your thesis, oh.. wait. So you might stfu it'd be better.