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[SPL] Proleague 2011 - 2012 Season Preview

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[SPL] Proleague 2011 - 2012 Season Preview

Text byKiante
Graphics byHawaiianPig
November 25th, 2011 09:25 GMT
With apologies to J. R. R. Tolkien.

It was now past midnight. The sky was utterly dark, and the stillness of the heavy air foreboded storm. Suddenly the forums were seared by a blinding flash. The Proleague team smote down upon IRC. For a staring moment, the idlers in the channel saw all the space between them lit with white light; it was boiling and crawling with ideas - some good, some bad, all Broodwar related. Writers were pouring into the channel, "Join" messages filling the evening sky. All caps yells resounded from wall to wall. The text came lashing down.

Posts as thick as the rain came whistling into the writers' forum, and fell clinking and glancing on the pages. Some found a mark. The planning for Proleague had begun.

In the distance, the cries of SC2 tournaments and tours filled the horizon. MLG fans screamed, waving youtube videos and screen caps, and posting about the drama that was taking place that weekend, their anger filling over into IRC as they ranted on; and the men of Proleague stood still, watching and waiting as #teamliquid was tossed by a tempest of war, and every ban glinted with barbed light.

Brazen trumpets sounded. There were rumours of war. In the midst of the mass qq surrounding a large North American SC2 tournament, war had begun.

There was unrest in Seoul.

The idiots surged forward, some getting banned from IRC and others martyring themselves in the LR threads. There, the biggest numbskulls were mustered, and the wild men of Live Report threads fell at the hands of the mods. The lightning flashed, and blazoned upon every helm and shield the ghastly Wings of Liberty logo was seen: They changed their netmasks and reached IRC once more, driving onwards as ISPs, even countries were banned.


Inside the citadel, the Proleague team gathered.














"Let this be the hour when we draw swords together."

Running like fire, PL hype charges through our veins. Soon, the new season begins, and we have much to discuss. This week we have eight articles for you. Many? Yes. Coincidental? Very Yes. We've got: Season Previews, New Team Previews, Map Previews, New Coach Previews and Much More.

Dig in and keep your weapons at the ready. The battle is about to begin.
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It was high time for a speech, a little oratory. For months after the great war, the continent of Proleagueia had been unusually quiet. That is, if you ignored the whispered rumours of troop movement near the borders of Kwanganri, but the Grand Marshal of the KT Protectorate dismissed these quickly as being revanchist hatespeech. Sure, the war was still fresh in everyone’s mind, the Protectorate had suffered immense losses, losses the people had still not forgiven the SKT Empire for, but now that Shanghai was theirs, the Protectorate seemed to enter a new golden age.

Consolidating their positions, recruiting new blood into the ranks, including a former FOX platoon, and not firing a single shot had seemed a dream in the few weeks of the final push, but they were there now. The future seemed bright as well – the instability of the MBC lands, the FOX confederacy and the OZ warhost seemed to have resolved itself, and the aggressive rhetoric of the Great Nations had reached an all-time low.

The Great Council of Rolster was less optimistic about the situation, of course, but they had been fixated on the Protectorate-dependent region of Kwanganri for a long time now, making them appear almost paranoid. The turbulence had begun with word that it might be induced to join the KT Protectorate for good, but civil unrest in different parts of the country had stifled that plan almost immediately.

President Dogspa of Kwanganri was no different any other politician; scheming, accruing power slowly, somehow failing to grasp how out of touch he actually was, but for now, he’d do, and KT would profit from the alliance with Kwanganri. The Council was still looking for ways to make the unification happen, but their efforts were in vain. The bribes, the sudden increase in espionage activities, the funded rallies – none of it had had any effect on the deeply divided nation.

Of course, more outspoken members of the Council saw it as a conspiracy to undermine KT’s supreme authority – what else could it possibly be? A few hours ago he had been speaking with a particularly irate member of the council; he had been gesticulating wildly and demanding that whoever was behind that "grievous offence" must be made pay. He still snickered at the thought of that fat man, jabbing the air with an outstretched finger, roaring and red with rage that, "This land will not be made into a laughing stock!"

He had isolated himself for hours to ensure that the two wouldn’t meet again until absolutely necessary. A weak looking soldier, identifiable as "B. Teemer" from his jacket, had tried to approach him several times, but he was summarily dismissed. Whatever it was, it would wait.

As he approached the podium, the crowd was thick with conversation. For the first time since the Military Academy of Y’ellow, he was forced to to start his speech twice… and then a third time. At no point in time was there total silence, but at least he could finish and try to go home.

Rather than taking him home, the chauffeur drove him straight to the Council house of KTF. Before he could voice his protests, he heard why he was needed:

President Dogspa is dead. Kwanganri is on the verge of Civil War. The Protectorate must intervene.

What they said was true, but what they hadn’t realized was that the real danger was that others would do the same. Still, he really didn’t have an option. The Grand Marshal took a second to savour, let it sink in, and said softly, "Let slip the dogs of war, then."

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You could not tell, and yet it looked as if
The shore was lucky in being backed by cliff,
The cliff in being backed by continent;
It looked as if a night of dark intent
Was coming, and not only a night, an age.
Someone had better be prepared for rage.
There would be more than ocean-water broken
Before God's last 'Put out the Light' was spoken.

-Robert Frost


While excitement for the imminent Proleague season has reached a fever pitch, it has also been coupled with an air of uncertainty. Three and a half months have passed since Flash and his teammates hoisted the trophy at Kwang-an-ri. For the Brood War faithful, it has been a long and painful off-season. Much has changed, and many beloved legacies have come to an end. One could be forgiven for wondering what all of this is likely to mean for the upcoming season. To me however, almost every single announcement - positive, negative, or otherwise - has pointed overwhelmingly towards one simple yet startling conclusion: we are on the eve of the highest level, most cut-throat Proleague season of all time.

Consider the distribution of players. CJ is absolutely stacked, consecutive PL champion KT looks stronger than ever, and SKT should be at least as strong as last season when they dominated everything and almost won the finals. The Dream Team is referred to as such for a reason. Khan’s line-up has been bolstered significantly, and Woongjin’s powerful three-player core of Zero and Soulkey is perfect for the new BO5 format. Even Ace got Kal and is helped immensely by the removal of Winner’s League. STX... well, to be honest it’s a tough time to be an STX fan right now. My point is that across the board, the teams of Proleague look stronger than ever before - half of them are nothing short of powerhouses. And it's no wonder: what used to be a twelve team circuit has dropped to eight, leaving three or four teams’ worth of A-teamers distributed among the rest. Just one strong player can make the difference between a weak line-up and a solid one. Three teams' worth of them is a big deal.

I also have to bring up one of the off-season's greatest tragedies: the loss of the MSL. With no more MSL, almost half of the top players who would have been busy preparing for an individual league in previous seasons will now have only Proleague to worry about. The very top players will never have two separate individual leagues to practice for. All of this means a great deal more practice time and priority to be devoted to the remaining leagues, especially for the strongest players in the scene. The impact of this on Proleague is difficult to overstate.

Just as significant is the change of format. Each team is down from two matches a week to one, and the matches themselves are down from BO7’s to BO5’s with no ace matches. Such a drastic reduction means a lot more practice time, especially for aces, and much higher stakes for every game. Throwaway matches are a thing of the past this season, and with each team fielding just 3-5 players a week, every line-up will be star-studded.

In short, the structure of professional Brood War has contracted much faster than the player pool, which will cause a dramatic spike in the ever-rising level of competition. Whatever happens next season, this is unsustainable. If the scene undergoes a revival and expands, the concentration of top level players will return to more normal levels. If it remains at its current scale, the player pool will naturally adjust as older players slump or retire with fewer new recruits to replace them. As for the worst case scenario, professional Brood War cannot lose much more infrastructure without either collapsing or losing a substantial part of its current player pool.

When all is said and done, I can’t tell you if this is going to be a grand finale or the dawn of a new age for Brood War. All I can say for sure is this: the upcoming season of Proleague will go down as the most ferociously competitive that professional Brood War will ever see. Make no doubt about it: there's a storm coming.

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Even though the news of 3 teams disbanding left a sour taste in our mouth, KeSPA has managed to remedy some of their wrongdoings in the past by forming a new team that is without doubt, a force to be reckoned with in the upcoming season of Proleague. Without a name, without a sponsor, but with a team spirit big enough to fill up the olympic sized stadium.

News of a new team forming were very much needed in this gloom times for StarCraft Brood War and it gives us all a spark of hope to cling on to. Every past, present or future fan of Brood War should take a special interest in the upcoming season of Proleague as it's forming to be the best one yet.

Team 8, or as it's also been called KeSPA Dream Team, is a strong contender for a high place finish in the new season. And once you see their roster, you will realize why.

So without further ado...

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Meet Team 8


(Z)Jaedong
2010-2011 Shinhan Bank Proleague record:
All - 29 wins - 14 losses (67.44%)
ZvP - 6 wins - 4 losses (60.00%)
ZvT - 10 wins - 4 losses (71.43%)
ZvZ - 13 wins - 6 losses (68.42%)

A player who needs no introduction, but I'll give him one anyways because he's that good. (Z)Jaedong is a member of renowned TBLS group and was an ace player for now disbanded, team Oz. I'm very excited to see how Jaedong preforms in his new team, because unlike in Oz, which was famous as a one-man team with Jaedong in charge, Team 8 has a lot more depth in its roster. That feeling you get when you can actually lean on your teammates and you don't have to carry the burden of the whole team on your shoulders, will do much good for Jaedong. Not to mention the new practice partners he gets in the likes of (T)Sea, (T)BaBy and (P)Jaehoon.

Even though his Z(12hatch)vZ seemed a bit shaky last season in individual leagues, in Proleague he was still one of the most dominant player, ending the season in 3rd place. There is virtually no reason not to expect great things from (Z)Jaedong in the upcoming season of Proleague with his new team.

(P)Jaehoon ([image loading])
2010-2011 Shinhan Bank Proleague record:
All - 23 wins - 12 losses (65.71%)
PvP - 8 wins - 5 losses (61.54%)
PvT - 10 wins - 1 losses (90.91%)
PvZ - 5 wins - 6 losses (45.45%)

A new captain of Team 8, (P)Jaehoon, was hands down the biggest surprise of last season with a solid 65% winrate placing him at 9th place. Once a laughing stock (albeit with a cool hair) and safe choice for everyone's anti-team in FPL, has turned into a PvT machine with godly 10-1 score in last season of Proleague. Granted, he didn't do so well in Winners league, but luckily for Jaehoon Winners league is no more!

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2 players responsible for ruining a lot of FPL teams last season.


This upcoming season will make-or-break (P)Jaehoon's image as a Brood War player. Either he'll be seen as a formidable player, worthy of his captaincy or he'll go back and find his place in my FPL anti-team. God, I hope it's the former.

(T)Sea
2010-2011 Shinhan Bank Proleague record:
All - 24 wins - 16 losses (60.00%)
TvP - 8 wins - 6 losses (57.14%)
TvT - 13 wins - 4 losses (76.47%)
TvZ - 3 wins - 6 losses (33.33%)

If you ask any Brood War player what can they tell you about (T)Sea, probably the first thing that they will think of is that he didn't win a single individual league. Despite this great injustice, Sea is seen as one of the most consistent players in Proleague. Indeed, if you take a look at all the Proleagues Sea participated in, he had over 50% winning rate in every single one of them. He's the kind of player who on a good day, can beat absolutely everyone. Besides (Z)Jaedong, I believe (T)Sea will be the main player of Team 8 in the upcoming season. There's simply no reason why wouldn't he be, as every team would be happy to have Sea as their player and you as a fan, how can you not like someone who posted on the TL?!

(T)BaBy
2010-2011 Shinhan Bank Proleague record:
All - 18 wins - 15 losses (54.55%)
TvP - 6 wins - 5 losses (54.55%)
TvT - 8 wins - 8 losses (50.00%)
TvZ - 4 wins - 2 losses (66.67%)

As his name suggests, (T)BaBy is young. What's even more remarkable is that in StarCraft years, he's not really that young. His first Proleague appearance was in 2007, at the ripe old age of 13! Fast forward four years and BaBy is now ancient greybeard with much more experience under his tiny belt. Last season was quite fortuitous for our favorite Korean high schooler, as he maintained a solid 54% winning rate.

BaBy has a lot of potential and this upcoming season will really be a test to his skills. He doesn't have much experience in individual leagues, but at his age, his career is only beginning. You should all expect great things from BaBy in his new team, where he will most likely play a role of a TvZ sniper.

(Z)Killer
2010-2011 Shinhan Bank Proleague record:
All - 17 wins - 18 losses (48.57%)
ZvP - 3 wins - 6 losses (33.33%)
ZvT - 5 wins - 5 losses (50.00%)
ZvZ - 9 wins - 7 losses (56.25%)

(Z)Killer is a player to keep an eye on in the upcoming season of Proleague. Even though his winning rate of 48% might suggest otherwise, there are some other factors that will make you excited to see how Killer performs. First, his winning rate in the Winners league was 64% and the second, which is more important, his Jin Air OSL run had a lot of potential of making him a Royal Roader. Following the footsteps of his teammate (Z)Jaedong, everyone was so excited watching (Z)Killer play in the last OSL where he qualified from his group with a clean 3-0 victory, even taking down the (P)JangBi who, as you all know, went to win the whole thing. In the quarter finals, Killer took a commanding lead on the first play day over (Z)n.Die_soO, but on a second play day when it was time to finish their bo3, something unforeseen happened. You see, Killer paused the game without typing 'ppp' beforehand and as per KeSPA rules, was awarded a forfeit. Things spiraled down from there as he lost the next game and was out of the tournament, effectively putting his royal road dreams to an end.

The reason I told you this little story is to make you not dismiss (Z)Killer as just another mediocre zerg, but in fact see him as a player with a lot of momentum. Oh, and did I mention he won the first in-house tournament at his new team? Yep, he did.

(P)Tyson
2010-2011 Shinhan Bank Proleague record:
All - 18 wins - 15 losses (54.55%)
PvP - 8 wins - 9 losses (47.06%)
PvT - 7 wins - 3 losses (70.00%)
PvZ - 3 wins - 3 losses (50.00%)

(P)Tyson is a former MBC player who didn't achieve much in his BW career, but showed a good form in last season of Proleague by having an impressive 54% winning rate. Even though he ended the season with a 5 loss streak, having a fairly consistent player will contribute a great deal to Team 8. I'm pretty sure he will fit well in his new team and will be a reliable player in the upcoming season of Proleague.

Rookies - (P)Sang, (T)Speed and (Z)Ryul2

Besides all the known players, Team 8 added three rookies under their wings and they will be there to provide practice for our star players. One of each race, they will further their skills by practicing with the best and perhaps one of them will be next bonjwa. You never know...

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It's safe to say Proleague '11-'12 has introduced a lot of changes - one of which being the maps. This season sports a brand new mappool of 6 brand new maps! Needless to say everyone is (or should be!) looking forward to seeing some games on these new playgrounds. Just glancing over the maps shows an impressive amount of doodads, backdoor entrances, main-overlooking cliffs, destructible rockstemples and uncanny similarities to Outsider. It's safe to say that we may have the wackiest overmappool on our hands here - a recipe for exciting games! How will these maps pan out though? Will we see any metagame shifts? Glaring imbalances? What race will QQ 24/7 and what map will suffer from mirrirmatch syndrome?

Last week I had the chance to sit down with Pro7ect, Ace and KidCanada Extraordinaire to discuss the maps. I asked them how they think their match-ups will play out on each map, any glaring imbalances and what map they look forward to most.

Project is one of Russian's best Terrans and one of the premier BroodWar streamers on TL.
Ace was the runner-up in the recent ISL2 and is currently beasting it up for Hungary in the Altitude NationWar
KidCanada, aka Astro, is a well know Protoss from, who'd have guessed, Canada. Streams on TL as draw.

NOTE: At the time of writing/interviewing, only the images of the maps were available. Any remarks are therefore highly speculative. Still, it should be enough to spark some discussion




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Pro7ect: Quite a balanced map. In TvZ, Terran has some advantages in the defense of his main and natural bases, because it’s very hard for Zerg to harass with Mutalisks. But all bases here have ramps, so Terran can face some troubles with preventing Zerg’s expos. In TvP, Protoss has various ways in openings like proxy series. So Terran players should explore the whole map properly. This map looks like very good for vulture harassing.

Ace: If there would be long match ZvP, I think it's difficult to defend 3-4 expos with zerg. I think on this map Zergs hava a little disadvantage, because it's hard to defend expands. In ZvT and ZvP too. You can't defend 2 expands on one place like on FS. I'd cry if I were to play on this map :D I think short distance isn't that big help for Mutas. Terrans are so good so I don't think it really matters. Maybe on main you can harass with Mutas because of the cliff, but I stilll think in long games T,P >Z, so i don't think we'll see zergs on this map:D

KidCanada: Well in all m.u. it depends how many mineral patches are in the back and how much hp in the destructable rocks. Like PvZ zerg can do standard BO and if they make 12~ lings after Lair they can tear down the backrock, which seems standard timing for zerg to make lings normally, but now P will have to delay their tech to put a pylon + cannon there or something like that. It seems easy to get expos after that for P though, since both of the next expos are on a ramp, but in late game its going to be hard since the expos are spreading away from eachother across the map. I think this map is bad lol, both players are gonna just try to camp the 3 mid bridges. It's going to be hard to attack into Zerg across bridges so if they have good apm they can burrow/unburrow and move along the bridge to deny protoss aggression. Like I don't know how to determine the outcome too many buildings to destroy to change the map layout. PvT is gonna be a lot of cheese openings, because the main is surrounded by highground and you can transfer goons via shuttle over the narrow ridge, but depends how big those bases are, but its like impossible to push or flank Terran on this map. Prolly lots of Carriers. I don't know how T will expo if they take both back yard expos cause that will spread them out quite a bit, I guess they will rely on the nexus neutrals. I think most of them wont attack those buildings until mid or late game cause it takes too long to kill. Also the problem with them is they dont open many opportunities since they are all along the ridge of the map, so to counter attack or build another attack point from those killed spots still require a lot of out of position manueovering. I think this map is bad because protoss requires position a lot and the pathing and structure of this map make it seem if you get out of position once you will die. And Terran can push 2 paths which both lead to behind your main. It's like a combination of Tau Cross and Pathfinder.



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Pro7ect: Obviously, this one is totally Terran map. If Terran can take control over the center (especially in TvP) opponents won’t have any chances to go out from the base. Zerg can use the third base behind his main and develop like in Triathlon. So Terran should beware of mass Mutalisks and/or fast Guardians from Zerg.

Ace: Really interesting map. Reminds a little bit of Outsider. The problem is if you kill 2 times those 2 buildings you can attack your opponet's main and I can't figure it out for which race will it help :D It's good map for mutas in ZvT. You can harass natural, there are mountains. And if you are Zerg on blue and Toss on red you can take 3rd base on right side of the map at 3 (the main's natural). Then you can take teal main, and 6 o'clock. That's 5 base. I think it's a little zerg favored map. I see the fantasy in this map for zergs:D Z>T,P I think

KidCanada: In PvZ it seems like Z is gonna take another natural but that base and original natural are equidistant from P natural so rush distance is very short. Also the paths are quite narrow, the mid could be large but still quite small so looks like 2 base pushes are quite easy. I think its very strong PvZ, especially if they do a strong 2 base BO, because they can just go around the map and kill those building to get to the z's main and they gonna have to put a lot of defence. If Z tries the same tactic they are still running down narrow paths which is easier for P to handle. PvT is not as bad as the other map but still would be hard to stop a push. If P is on blue and T is on red, third is gonna be the mid inner 6 or they will play it like reaver opening and take lower 6 and kill the temples later or sth like that. This map also not very symmetric, gonna have position imbalance.



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Pro7ect: This map is a copy of Medusa, but just for 4 players. So I think we will see a lot of macro games by Korean progamers.

Ace: My eyes are already hurt :D I see the Medusa thingy. It looks so big map, I'd be frustrated if I should play on this one. Good for mutas in ZvT cuz that big mountain thingy on the natural expo. And 3base, big distances. In ZvT it's Z>T again I think. In ZvP i think it's balanced. We'll see good ZvP macrogames on it I'm sure If u see this map on minimap it really stresses eye, don't know how could it be in game. But it's the third map which has buildings and minerals on the map :D Destrucible rocks and some minerals next to it. I don't know why they should put this shit into every map XD

KidCanada: This looks like medusa. This map looks huge. This looks like its gonna be pretty standard but since there are many paths you gonna have to be careful if you commit to engage cause you can get countered really easily. But it looks good all m.u., seems easy to get 4 base. I think it will be more balanced than Medusa cause there are a few easier T push paths, but i think P > T on this map cause they will have easy 3 base. Even tho T gets same easy 3 base, P will get them really quick. PvZ also seems quite easy cause the bases are all surrounding the main so you can turtle to those 4 adjacent bases and secure a quadrant.



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Pro7ect: This map is very similar to Grand Line, but you cannot build any buildings in the center. So all buildings should be built on the main base. If you lose your main base by mass drops or recalls, you will lose that game. So Terran should concentrate on defending his main base in the late game.

Ace: 4 main bases, 4natural expos, 2 side bases, and 4 easy bases. I like this map, cuz it's primitive. I think it's totally balanced map, like python or FS. One thing I see is, on the expands like top and bottom, 1, 5,7,11 o'clock that's really easy to defend. You build like one supply, or one pylon +2 cannons, and you got that. I think it could be good for toss in PvZ. Interesting map, but I like this one better than the last 3.

KidCanada: This one I think is retarded. Its like Neo Grandline with less expos. PvZ is gonna be hard, since the 3rd gas is far as hell. Oh wait... The middle bases have a ramp, I didn't see that. I think like PvT is not bad cause T only gets 2 gas, hard to get their third, but there aren't many expos so if they secure 4 bases they can go for map split without too much difficulty. Also natural has a raised platform behind it. I think its gonna be like 2 base arb BOs cause the map is spread out quite a bit with those few expos. I think if they spawn horizontally T will > P, but if they spawn vertically or across then P >T, cause the horizontal path is really easy to slow push and there are 2 bases on the way.



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Pro7ect: This map reminds be a little bit of Colosseum, but with reversed ramp at the main. Another macro-orientated map for 4 players, nothing special.

Ace: Nothing to say about this map I think, it looks balanced, but there are not many bases on it. If Toss can have 3bases up then maybe another base is really hard for Zerg. And easy to defend every expo cause they are on highground. Prolly its not that good a map for Zerg, cause easy 3 base for Toss and u cant really attack Toss cause every expo is good defendable. I think Z=T, but P>Z.

KidCanada: All these new bases got high ridge surrounding them, kind of a lame theme, lol. This map looks really annoying, but for P its not bad. Hard to defend for Z on their third, if they take the quadrant anyway. T is gonna camp for 3 base and they have that huge ramp which is gonna be impossible to break but I think P can get more bases easily and stop early pushes or delay with all the reverse ramps. Very few bases for a 4 P map tho. It will play almost identically to [Shades of Twilight]



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Pro7ect: This one is also macro-orientated map, but for me it looks like another imbalanced map for Terran. If you take control over the ridges, you will have a great chance to win the game. The third base seems to be a little bit further from the natural base, but ridges can be effectively used for defense (turrets, supply depots, mines).

Ace: This map reminds me to HBR :D These ridges on the map and the middle expo is almost like on HBR. In ZvT it's not that hard to get 3rd base with Mutas. I think ZvT is balanced. ZvP could be really bad for toss, if he gets Lurker walled on the highground he'll never break it. So this map Z>P I think. But I think every map is almost balanced.

KidCanada: Looks good PvT. Even though there are lots of ridges, the map is pretty open and manoeuvrable. Also the third is a little harder for T to take. PvZ seems not that bad, all bases have narrow chokes. In a longer game of PvT tho, T just gonna expo out like a grid and it will be hard for P. This map seems hardest to determine how it will play out. The expos go along the sides of the map, maybe P will do sair reaver or sair dt



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Pro7ect: I dont like complicated maps (with neutral buildings, minerals, etc), so I will pick Jade

Ace Prolly Outlier, but I dont really have favorite map from these :D

KidCanada: Maybe Outlier. I always do better on skewed balanced maps. And Electric Circuit looks good but its a macro map and I get bored to play on those.



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Pro7ect: I don't think so, because as you know, PL faced a lot of troubles after last season, so it was very important to save the existed fans and viewers, not to attract new ones. So I don't think that PL mapmakers tried to innovate something new with these maps. As you can see, all these maps have a lot of similarities with the previous maps of PL. There are not any new concepts here.

Ace: I'm sure there will be interesting games. They are really high skilled players, games would be interesting even they'd play every game on estrella :D Can't wait to watch Team 8 btw! About new tactics: prolly some crazy cheese

KidCanada: We're going to see a lot of cheese for sure, all the builds are going to be more map specific than being able to apply modified builds done on these to other maps. So I could see innovation, but it wont be applicable mostly to other maps. i.e the maps with narrow pathways you can get away with some double fast expos or something like that.


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Dear Proleague fan,

The purpose of previews and predictions is to generate hype and discussion, but because there hasn’t been any Korean Brood War for quite a while, I don’t really think I can improve upon it any more. Almost all teams have hype-posts for this season, and rabid fans have analyzed the last season to death. As for the predictions themselves, the last FPL season went pretty miserably for me, so I’m not even sure why I volunteered to be the one writing the predictions. On the other hand, it gives me a great excuse to ditch FPL this time and confront my fears with an even greater challenge. I’ll try to predict every score of every match, and face public ridicule if I’m wrong and faint (but sweet) praise if I’m right. If I’m lucky, I won’t end up as the second konadora. To help me with this undertaking, your friendly HawaiianPig will be kind enough to post my progress in as flashy of a way as possible.

What are the arbitrary rules of this challenge, you may ask?

If I predict the winner and the score correctly, 3 points
If I predict the winner correctly, and the score is off by 1, 1 point
If I predict the winner correctly and the score is off by 2, 0 points
If I predict the winner wrong, and the score is off by 1, -1 points
If I predict the winner wrong and the score is off by more than one, -2 points.


The goal will be to end up at least positive by the end of round 3 of this season.
But enough of this self-important dribble, on to the predictions!

Saturday, the 26th of November

[image loading]SK Telecom T1 vs Team 8


Since this is the first week, the maps are unplayed, and noone has played yet so that we can’t assess their condition, it’s especially hard to call the headliner match of this season. While only one team has a name that demands respect (or a proper name at all), the lineups of both teams are so formidable, certainty has to be done away with entirely. However, there have been some clues. Bisu went on record, claiming the maps are bad for Protoss, and SKT is very Protoss heavy, and the rest of their lineup is largely either snipers or Fantasy, who is pretty known to be unreliable. Snipers tend not to do well at the beginning of a season, since it’s hard to prepare for someone’s strategy that you haven’t seen in action yet, and on top of that, the coach of Team 8 hasn’t been active for years and has a certain unpredictability. On top of that, SKT’s 2 race coaches went to the army recently, and there has been no talk of replacements yet, which is a worrying sign for SKT1. But in the end of the day, I still expect Bunkie to take a happy bow, since newly formed teams tend to do badly at the beginning of the season. CJ-s performance at the beginning of the last season was pretty lacklustre, although after it merged with Sparkyz, it became an enormous powerhouse. All of Team 8 saw a change in their schedules and it will probably show in their play. Also, SKT’s coach is pretty good at picking his lineup, especially at the beginning of the season. When your team goes through the entirety of the first round undefeated, the coaches picks must have had some influence.
Predicted result: SKT 3-1 Team 8

[image loading]KT Rolster vs Air Force ACE[image loading]


Similar to Team 8, I think ACE will have difficulty utilizing it’s new players, especially since both Kal and Great had long slumps preceding their new haircuts. KT Rolster should probably comfortably win, but will likely drop one set to the maps. Weirdly enough, I’m actually less certain of this result than of the result of SKT vs. Team 8, since KT can really flunk at the beginning of the season, the new players have to find their place in the team, the KT coach seems pretty bad at sniping, and 2 of their mainstays recently must have had long breaks in their training schedule. Let’s say KT Rolster 3-2 Air Force ACE, but I feel like it might be giving the boys in blue a bit too much credit.


Sunday, the 27th of November

[image loading]CJ Entus vs STX SouL[image loading]


I don’t see CJ losing this match or even a set. 3-0 CJ Entus, no idea if they’ll be able to play Effort within that time.

[image loading]Samsung KHAN vs Woongjin Stars[image loading]


Woongjin Stars is the team that can either win big or flop entirely this season, thanks to generally inconsistent players that have a lot of promise. The chimera consisting of Light, ZerO and Neo.G_Soulkey is a huge threat to any team, and the lack of an Ace match promises good things for Woongjin, as their players just didn’t perform to the fullest of their abilities in set 7. There was even talk of a Woongjin "Ace match curse“, and free becoming worse and worse the moment he lost an Ace Match to then unappreciated Hydra shows there might have been some truth to it. Samsung KHAN benefits from a lack of Ace Match as well, as January really did have odd Ace Match choices last season. Samsung KHAN is a lot more rounded this year, and Jangbi’s new heights are as of yet unexplored. Will Jangbi usher in a new age of Protoss dominance with his brother Stork? What will become of the KHAN Terrans now that the Zerg line is no longer a joke? Will the cell-phone jokes ever stop? I think the answers are "No“, "will probably be used as snipers“ and "Sweet mercyful god, will they ever end “, but the edge the KHAN team now possesses should allow them to win. Samsung KHAN 3-2 Woongjin Stars.

Tuesday, the 29th of November

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Team 8 is sexy and they know it (please no wiggling, Leta in a jumpsuit was quite enough), but KT is still the reigning champion. This match will be very close, and on top of that, if we’re lucky, we might get a "Leessangrok" (a Jaedong vs. Flash game). Since fewer than 4 days will have passed from the first matches, the results might cause kneejerk reactions for both teams, but also open up sniping opportunities with greater degrees of success. I have to with my gut here, but I think Team 8 will be victorious by a slight margin. The KT coach tends to put a lot of trust in players that can break down mentally very quickly, and Team 8 consists of players that are comfortable with pressure thanks to serving as team Aces earlier. Still, it should be close. Team 8 3-2 KT Rolster

Wednesday, the 30th of November

[image loading]CJ Entus vs Air Force ACE[image loading]


If ACE had trouble with KT, they’ll probably dread CJ even more. CJ is terrifyingly good at sniping and ACE-s lineup is the most limited thanks to having such a small number of players. Filling that limited roster with players like Chavi and Canata doesn’t really help. The new recruits Kal and great were inspired by the Air Force resurrections of FBH and ggaemo, but it is hard to tell whether lightning can really strike more than twice. My gut says "probably not.“ CJ Entus is the favorite team by a long shot. Even if we exclude the sniping, CJ can field players with 60% winrates for all 5 sets, has 3 recent starleague finalists, 2 recent Starleague winners, and a lot more guys playtesting the maps with them. CJ should demolish ACE 3-0.

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SK Telecom T1: Bisu

Bisu is the obvious choice as SKT’s top player. He had an amazing season in the 10/11 SPL, with the only real blemishes on his name being his OSL and MSL performances. Bisu has shown strength in all matchups, with a particular resurgence in his PvT last season to complement his mastery PvZ. His PvP has looked a little shaky at points during the season, but this was probably most likely caused by not playing much of the matchup a lot over the season as opposed to a skill deficit.

Over the coming season expect Bisu to once again carry his team towards the playoffs. Having finished his slump in the middle of last season I see no reason why another would occur. Moreover, with the removal of the ace match, there is a good chance of Bisu seeing more games against experienced foes, where in past seasons these had been avoided because the SKT coach chose to use race snipers like Best instead of relying on his ace. This means we’ll get to see even more of Bisu’s potential unlocked by more challenging opponents.

THE GREATEST PLAYER EVER

Team 8: Jaedong


Picking a top player for Team 8 was a somewhat tough job with the aces of Fox, Oz and MBC being compiled into one team, but in the end Jaedong was the one that stood out. Jaedong had an excellent season in the 10/11 SPL, with over 50 wins tallied up against his name. The main drawback for him last season was his team. Even with Jaedong’s fantastic performance Oz failed to make the playoffs as a direct result of lack of support from most of his team and this added stress was shown on Jaedong’s face during his games.

With Jaedong in a new team, we can expect his performance this season to be even better now he can play without stress, and with less matches per week, Jaedong can finally shine as the true ace player that he is instead of the pack mule carrying along dead weight. The most obvious improvement that should come with the new season is Jaedong finding his form in the ZvZ matchup, which he started to struggle with last season. This will give him even greater confidence and should make him a real monster this season in Proleague.

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Samsung Khan: Stork


Picking the ace player for Samsung was a tough one as well. Both Stork and Jangbi could potentially claim this position within the team, so why Stork? Stork’s season in the 10/11 SPL was fairly mediocre, with a sub 60% win rate over the entire season and Jangbi finding exceptional form in Round 6 and winning an OSL why would Stork be the key player for Khan. The answer is reliability. Jangbi’s slump last season was immense. He was doing so badly that when he finally found form in round 6 he killed probably around a third of TL’s FPL teams without mercy. However come post season, Jangbi choked. He lost important matches when his team needed him and as a result Khan didn’t make it far into the playoffs.

Stork on the other hand, while having small loss streaks throughout the season managed to remain consistent and beat top players when he needed to, especially during the playoffs. In the upcoming season expect to see the Dinotoss put his WoW and Aion accounts on hold and come out guns blazing. Less games will mean that he will be able to prepare exceptional builds that we had come to expect and the opponents of Samsung Khan should be scared of what he may be able to accomplish.

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Woonjin Stars: Zero


This was another hard pick, but at the end of my deliberations Zero was the only ace here that really shone. While Soulkey and Light have shown excellent performances for their team, Zero has the X factor. It’s hard to describe, but when Zero comes out to play you know that something special can happen. It could be an epic long macro game, it could be a cute cheese or simply the use of some interesting tactics to bring the game in his favour, but you know the X factor is there. This makes him a player to be feared and by default the ace player for his team.

Zero’s season in the 10/11 PL season was reasonable but not as good as it could have been by his standards. His record during Winners league was almost 50%, something that he would not have wanted to happen. However, he performed well over the season in all his matchups, specifically fixing most of the issues he’s had with ZvZ bringing it up in line with the rest of his matchups around the 60% mark. Zero should be scary in the coming season assuming he can keep his ZvZ up to scratch and should provide some incredible games when he gets matched against one of the strong players from the other teams.

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STX Soul: Bogus


Bogus was the surprise of last season. Where Kal and Calm failed to deliver, Bogus stepped up and took the reins at STX to claim his spot as the undisputed ace of STX Soul. Bogus has come a long way since he lost to Hyuk in the STX masters in 2009. His improvement is even more amazing considering the hard time STX has had over the last season. By somewhat of a miracle they barely scraped into the playoffs, only to be dismissed by KT Rolster 2-1, with Bogus being the only stable contributor over the whole series for his team.

Despite the obvious disappointment for STX, they should be able to approach the upcoming season with some hope. All of Bogus’ matchups are looking in top form, especially his TvP which he demonstrated in the playoffs with two consecutive wins over Stats, who was on fire at the time. STX’s ability to keep up with the pack and make the playoffs next season will depend a lot on how Bogus manages to go against the Ace’s of other teams, and if last season is anything to go by, it’s only going to be up from here for Bogus and STX.

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KT Rolster: Flash


KT provided me with another easy selection of Ace player in the form of God Young Ho, or Flash for short. Having been playing with an injury last season he still managed to maintain an incredible win rate and bring his team SPL gold. Flash seemed to display almost no weaknesses last season. When people doubted his ability to beat Best and his practice hours were being cut in half he still managed to come out and 2-0 him in style. When people said his style was boring and standard Flash showed incredibly complex strategic builds even though he was often preparing for more than 4 matches a week.

Over the coming season, with the new format Flash is going to be even stronger, with more practice hours being afforded by his repaired arm and less matches to prepare for, the viewers are most likely going to be in for a treat as Flash shows us once again why he earned his title of God. Expect teams to send out waves upon waves of snipers and ace players to try and bring him down and watch Flash shrug them off and bring his team to another set of playoffs.

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CJ Entus: Hydra


Writing this article I found it interesting how often the top player of a team was so hard to identify, and CJ entus was no exception. Candidates for the honor included Movie, Leta, Hydra and Horang2, however Hydra was the candidate who stood out the most. After Effort retired Hydra really stepped up his game and after he won his MSL title over Great he cemented his place as the ace of his team. Boasting a record well over 60% last season, Hydra showed the remarkable ability to win consecutive games, with multiple 8+ streaks of wins just in Proleague matches.

Hydra would be one of the players that I would think is a risk of slumping next season. After such a great season but falling short, while also dropping out of the MSL and OSL to Flash and Fantasy respectively, it is possible that Hydra may lose his confidence against top players, who will most likely make up his opponents in the coming season. However the return of Effort and the continued support of his team should allow him to overcome this quickly in time to give CJ the best possible chances of making the playoffs.

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Airforce Ace: FireBatHero


Before FireBatHero moved to Ace it was no secret that he was struggling. His performances were lacklustre and it seemed like the fire that drove him to strip off at the Proleague finals in Busan and run into the ocean was gone. It’d anyone’s guess as to why, but Ace was the cure to this apathy. After his switch FireBatHero showed a real resurgence in form, beating exceptional players left and right and along with Ggaemo he made Ace relevant again.

In the coming season, with Kal joining the team as well, FireBatHero may just be able to give Ace its best season in years. All of his matchups have been looking solid since his inception into the Ace lineup and this should continue. FBH thrives when there is a lot of pressure, and his ability to rise up and overcome challenges coupled with his new found dedication and skill can only mean good things for ace.

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You may see one today, hunched over a monitor at Proleague or sitting nervously in the front row of an OSL final, watching with baited breath. You will spot them at interviews and fan meetings, standing behind their teams, always smiling, existing in the shadow between player and space.

Coaches are easy to forget. You can go through a week without ever once really noticing a coach. You may even go through an entire round, or even a season without acknowledging their presence. Then, at the end of a year, at the end of an era, you will look back and realise that in the end, it was all them, all the way.

If you're Hot_Bid, ITW or any other CJ loyalist, you will forever remember Coach Cho, the man who made the team what it is. If you like Samsung, you are no doubt grateful for what January has done for KHAN. Finally, if you're a true Bisu fanatic, you will revere Coach Park for moving from MBC to SKT T1 with his young protege and then using him to lead the dynasty to a Proleague Championship title in 2009-2010.

Let's face it. Coaches make or break teams. They are the forgotten heroes of the beautiful game, and today, we're going to look at one of their greatest.

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Ju Hoon was there.

Team 8 for the PL 2011-2012 season has been called the Dream Team, and rightly so, for at its helm it has the original dreamer, the man who in Broodwar's infancy saw distnant galaxies in the eyes of a bunch of young stars and set out for them, creating not only two of the game's greatest names, but also, what is without a doubt, its greatest team.

I am happy that Coach Ju Hoon is back. In fact, I'm even happy that he is not back to SKT T1. Don't get me wrong, I'm a SKT fan. I will always be a SKT fan, and as it has been said, every Starcraft fan is a fan of SKT T1 by extension. Above all, however, I'm a fan of Starcraft, and with Proleague significantly weakened by disbanding teams and a lack of sponsors, it is fitting, nay, necessary that someone of the likes of Coach Ju Hoon takes on Team 8.

Team 8, in many ways, is like the SKT T1 of old. Loads of potential, an uncertain future, and one star to lead them. Now, they have a Kingmaker. The Yo Hwan - Ju Hoon partnership begat The Emperor, created SKT, and in effect, created professional Broodwar as we know it. On a rainy August evening in 2003, Seoul's Olympic Park reverberated with the sound of applause as SKT, then Orion, lifted the 2003 OnGameNet KTF EVERCup ProLeague trophy as champions of the first professional Starcraft team league.

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And there.

On the 4th of March 2004, Boxer and Ju Hoon's team, formerly Orion, now 4U, signed South Korea Telecom as their main sponsor. They had lost Tongyang, their previous sponsor, in late 2003, but had fought on, egged on by their captain and coach. They stayed together, played together and it paid off. Nearly a decade later, we only know of them as SK Telecom T1, the godfathers of Starcraft Progaming.

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And there (like White_ra, Ju Hoon is everywhere).

Team 8 may not yet have a sponsor. They may not have history, a custom line of uniforms or a trophy cabinet. What they do have, however, is Lee Jaedong and Coach Ju Hoon. The Yo Hwan - Ju Hoon partnership changed the early 2000s. The Jaedong - Ju Hoon partnership just may shape the 2010s.

In fact, after a long, long time, I find myself rooting for a team other than SKT T1. No, I would never root against SKT if they faced Team 8, and I'm confident that Bisu's boys will dispatch them nice and easy in the season opener. In terms of the season itself though, I hope Team 8 places well. I hope they find a sponsor. I hope that Jaedong, now under the guidance of someone who can only be described as a legend, pushes his game to heights never seen before.

In the end, I just hope that Team 8 becomes something special, for if there's one thing I've learnt from nearly half a decade of watching Starcraft Progaming it's this - when talent meets dedication, direction and a little luck, anything can happen. 2011 has been kind to us. We had an exhilarating 2010-2011 Proleague final and what can only be described as a fairytale OSL.

Now, we have a team, a dream, and a coach that can bring those two together.

Coach Ju Hoon took an Emperor and through him, created a dynasty. Now, he has a Tyrant.

To war, I say. To war.

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This Proleague update was brought to you by Team Liquid's PL 2011-12 R1 coverage team - riptide, HawaiianPig, Kiante, Pholon, mustaju and contagi0n, with guest writer 2pacalypse. See you all next week. Good games, and good night!

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Kiante
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November 25 2011 09:26 GMT
#2
You have my sword
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November 25 2011 09:26 GMT
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and my bow
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November 25 2011 09:28 GMT
#4
Little fools.
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Heyoka
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November 25 2011 09:29 GMT
#5
my axe is scared I'm going home
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November 25 2011 09:32 GMT
#6
YOU SHALL NOT PASS
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
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Korea (South)2393 Posts
November 25 2011 09:34 GMT
#7
thanks for the write up!!
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
pathy
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Taiwan619 Posts
November 25 2011 09:35 GMT
#8
khan baby khan
Graphicscolosi suck
SoulTakerz
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November 25 2011 09:37 GMT
#9
oh em ef ge. HYPUUUU!@#BW!@$#!@#
Lee Jae fucking Dong Bitches
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November 25 2011 09:38 GMT
#10
Wonderful.
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November 25 2011 09:39 GMT
#11
puts the sc2 articles to shame, i dont even follow BW yet i enjoyed reading this
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France8631 Posts
November 25 2011 09:40 GMT
#12
I accept your apologies.
The legend of Darien lives on
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United States5582 Posts
November 25 2011 09:44 GMT
#13
On November 25 2011 18:40 mr_tolkien wrote:
I accept your apologies.

Too good lmfao

OMFG EYEGASM *Head explodes*

♥ PL writeup team~ Always delivering the good, classy shit.
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BROODWAR IS BACK!
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November 25 2011 09:46 GMT
#15
Bit worried about team 8 just because of their terran situation. Sea can tear it up on a good day, but on a normal day neither him nor Baby has really impressed me. Jaedong is scaring me a bit too. Didn't watch Oz much last season, but it feels like a while since he's been in top form.

Edit: Eh, maybe I'm being too hard on them, Baby especially.
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United States5582 Posts
November 25 2011 09:51 GMT
#16
On November 25 2011 18:44 riptide wrote:
BROODWAR IS BACK!

I approve of shoving in more SKT-related content

And of this title: "SK Telecom T1, the godfathers of Starcraft Progaming"
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
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United States890 Posts
November 25 2011 09:52 GMT
#17
SO PUMPED! I hope people are still in good form for the return of SPL. No ace match makes me sad though
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HonorZ
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France858 Posts
November 25 2011 09:54 GMT
#18
Great write-up . I really like BW articles write up (with God of the Battlefield being for me the ultimate reference) and I think they are so, so much better than SC2 articles atm :D.

SC2 articles are just describing what can happen. BW articles are giving me chills ! The last article was especially very good. Props to all the writers ! <3

Hyyyyyyyype !! Gogo team 8 !
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Kipsate
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Netherlands45349 Posts
November 25 2011 09:55 GMT
#19
Lol Firebathero

<3

Nice article

TEAM 8 HWAITING.
WriterXiao8~~
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Germany1816 Posts
November 25 2011 09:58 GMT
#20
woah amazing articles ... !
Ah I cant wait for the new PL Killer + Dong + Sea + Tyson in the same team weeeeeeeeeeh. !!!
Wheres my Team 8 Icon ?

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November 25 2011 09:59 GMT
#21
This will be the first time I get to see a full (current) Proleague all the way through.. so excited!
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November 25 2011 10:10 GMT
#22
Great write-up !

SKT all the way to the victory !
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November 25 2011 10:12 GMT
#23
TO (BROOD)WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Australia14568 Posts
November 25 2011 10:13 GMT
#24
On November 25 2011 18:51 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 18:44 riptide wrote:
BROODWAR IS BACK!

I approve of shoving in more SKT-related content

And of this title: "SK Telecom T1, the godfathers of Starcraft Progaming"

Where have you been? I haven't seen you post in the longest of time. Good to see your name again

Really loved reading this, I'm so glad we have PL write ups again. Amazing stuff. <3 Riptide, I share your sentiments completely, I hope T8 do well (just not against SKT haha).

Another season of great written and well presented articles :D
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Singapore66163 Posts
November 25 2011 10:15 GMT
#25
HEY

what second konadora

T___T
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November 25 2011 10:25 GMT
#26
YESSS bw is back baby!! Such a quality write-up, it seriously gave me goose bumps
Jaedong :D
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November 25 2011 10:27 GMT
#27
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?
Spica
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November 25 2011 10:42 GMT
#28
On November 25 2011 19:13 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 18:51 Spica wrote:
On November 25 2011 18:44 riptide wrote:
BROODWAR IS BACK!

I approve of shoving in more SKT-related content

And of this title: "SK Telecom T1, the godfathers of Starcraft Progaming"

Where have you been? I haven't seen you post in the longest of time. Good to see your name again

Really loved reading this, I'm so glad we have PL write ups again. Amazing stuff. <3 Riptide, I share your sentiments completely, I hope T8 do well (just not against SKT haha).

Another season of great written and well presented articles :D

I been busy! Otherwise, been occasionally lurking heh heh. I gotta show up again to show support for our team, especially for their 1st match of the season! Btw, I liked the thread you made on how T1 will kick everyone's asses this PL season :D

Oh yeah I forgot my obligatory Hpig fanscream comment

HAWAIIANPIG Y U SO GOOD AT MAKING SEXAY GRAPHIX ILU
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
November 25 2011 10:46 GMT
#29
Loved every article. It was a long wait this off-season, but well worth it if this article is anything to go by.

SKT hwaiting!!!
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
November 25 2011 10:46 GMT
#30
Holy crap. And so it begins...
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VioRem
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia14 Posts
November 25 2011 10:53 GMT
#31
These articles are awesome!!! Looking forward to the performance of Team 8. HWAITING! =D
Tumor
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria192 Posts
November 25 2011 11:00 GMT
#32
nice read
but this ridge map... the side changed Swastika jumped directly into my eye.

the tournamen will be insane
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 25 2011 11:15 GMT
#33
FOR GLORY.
The uruk-hai may outnumber us, but we shall PREVAIL.
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
November 25 2011 11:18 GMT
#34
HYPE IT UPPPP
I'm an old man now
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 25 2011 11:21 GMT
#35
"I don't know why they should put this shit into every map XD"

So true
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9505 Posts
November 25 2011 11:36 GMT
#36
FOR GLORY. FOR BROODWAR!
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 25 2011 11:36 GMT
#37
Excelent write up.
Loved the map preview from the players perspective of every race.
15 hours and 26 minutes to go!
Cackle™
Armlessjoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States6 Posts
November 25 2011 11:36 GMT
#38
This is the best thing that I ever could have read right now....
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 25 2011 11:44 GMT
#39
Sick write up with sick graphics (as usual)
Only 15 hours left before my favorite drug shoot !!

Even though it's a nickname coined by Korean netizens for a while, it was not very nice to use "dogspa". KeSPA are taking care of the team 8 and they found the new Proleague sponsor. Even if it was humorous in the LOTR context, KeSPA is the true hero now.
ॐ
KoBlades
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria248 Posts
November 25 2011 11:45 GMT
#40
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


I was about to write that, but yea, it guess this isnt on purpose, that would be kinda strange..
"What do you know about fear?" -"Everything."
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 25 2011 11:53 GMT
#41
On November 25 2011 20:45 KoBlades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


I was about to write that, but yea, it guess this isnt on purpose, that would be kinda strange..


It is on purpose, you don't draw a swastika by chance. It's just that swastikas have a different meaning in Asia.
ॐ
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
November 25 2011 11:58 GMT
#42
And still the ents (ACE) get underestimated ... they were awoken last season and now it is their time to show the true power of the first and second age. (you know, `cause they are old.)
Where is my ACE flair
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
November 25 2011 12:05 GMT
#43
Bisu HELL YEAH.
Dear Sixsmith...
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
November 25 2011 12:12 GMT
#44
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


The nazi swastika is a right facing diamond swastika, this is a left facing flat swastika, which is widely regarded as a symbol for Buddhism, its important to make the distinction
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
November 25 2011 12:16 GMT
#45
Epic!

EPIC!

EPIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCC!

I cannot wait!
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 25 2011 12:25 GMT
#46
Amazing article!
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Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
November 25 2011 12:27 GMT
#47
Great article!

I've felt empty for as long as BW has been absent.

WELCOME BACK TO MY LIFE BW!
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 25 2011 12:33 GMT
#48
BW. BW. BW.

TEAM 8 GO!
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
November 25 2011 12:43 GMT
#49
one of the best news write-ups, and its long and full of content <3
Stork[gm]
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
November 25 2011 12:52 GMT
#50
So much content... amazing write-up!

3-1 for SKT, huh? We'll see. We'll see.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
November 25 2011 12:55 GMT
#51
NYC Proleague Kickoff

If you are in the NYC area, come watch the historic opening match of SKT vs Team 8 and KT vs ACE with fellow NYC TLers!! Click the link for details.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 12:59:47
November 25 2011 12:59 GMT
#52
Love that picture of Flash, looks so godlike oO

Impressing article as well
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
November 25 2011 13:04 GMT
#53
Khan forever <3 We'll bring the heat this year boys!
GuMiho <3
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
November 25 2011 13:04 GMT
#54
I have no words. The best league in the world for the best game in the world is back.
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
November 25 2011 13:21 GMT
#55
BW is back! Great write up!
RIP MBC Game Hero
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
November 25 2011 13:22 GMT
#56
article went completely over my head.
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
November 25 2011 13:25 GMT
#57
Sick, sick write-up, you guys never fail to deliver.

It feels like every team has a solid chance to win, even the teams that failed last season look like dark horses.

Anyway, BW!!!!!!!!!
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 25 2011 13:39 GMT
#58
Just beautiful. Now if ACE manages to break out, my Starcraft life will be complete.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
November 25 2011 13:46 GMT
#59
Fell deeds awake. Now for wrath. Now for ruin. And a red dawn.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
November 25 2011 13:55 GMT
#60
Run you fools. BW is back :D
Yhamm is the god of predictions
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
November 25 2011 13:57 GMT
#61
great write up.

Can't wait for PL start again. Hype!!!!!
Learn,live and love it.
Nightrage
Profile Joined October 2010
Greece212 Posts
November 25 2011 13:57 GMT
#62
Amazing articles as usual.

COME ON CJ!
It ain't easy being cheesy
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 14:02:10
November 25 2011 14:01 GMT
#63
On November 25 2011 22:39 Hesmyrr wrote:
Just beautiful. Now if ACE manages to break out, my Starcraft life will be complete.

i just imagined new choerography for FBH dance at finals
Stork[gm]
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
November 25 2011 14:03 GMT
#64
wow, so many words, so many senteces, so many BW!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D

i thank you guys for this awsome awsome write up!
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
November 25 2011 14:11 GMT
#65
ready to roooooolll out
Liquipedia@jkursk
ciaiei
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland41 Posts
November 25 2011 14:38 GMT
#66
WTF Sniper ridge? doesn't anyone else see that the whole map is clearly a Swastika?

how can a map like that be in something like Proleague?
Is "I hope you all die a painful death" too strong? -Linus Torvalds
icclown
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Denmark270 Posts
November 25 2011 14:44 GMT
#67
neat. good reading
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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 14:48:03
November 25 2011 14:44 GMT
#68
On November 25 2011 23:38 ciaiei wrote:
WTF Sniper ridge? doesn't anyone else see that the whole map is clearly a Swastika?

how can a map like that be in something like Proleague?


...

On November 25 2011 21:12 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


The nazi swastika is a right facing diamond swastika, this is a left facing flat swastika, which is widely regarded as a symbol for Buddhism, its important to make the distinction


This question has popped up a couple dozen times across different threads. God forbid we have a culture that's not Western.
Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
November 25 2011 14:46 GMT
#69
impressive how many time took to make a so good article?
Hydralisk so fasts and dangerous :D
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
November 25 2011 14:47 GMT
#70
Great article!
subV
Profile Joined June 2011
United States93 Posts
November 25 2011 14:49 GMT
#71
Awesome writeup. I especially like the part about BROODWAR YES IT'S BACK WOO!
hoburame
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands48 Posts
November 25 2011 14:51 GMT
#72
On November 25 2011 18:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Little fools.



c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c combo breaker


I realy love all the work done on Sc-BW, write-ups are always interesting, even if I don't follow the scene closely.
You guys make me enthousiast just by reading it. Amazing work, as always.

thanks.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
November 25 2011 14:57 GMT
#73
TEAM 8 FIGHTINGG!!!

Beat write up eeeevvverrrrr. Yes, I know I've been saying this a lot of times. But you guys have really out done yourselves!!! Especially the little hype articles "the perfect storm" "king maker" "calm before the storm".

No reason to doubt this season will be the most kick ass season everr!!!!! <3 riptide, HawaiianPig, Kiante, Pholon, mustaju and contagi0n, with guest writer 2pacalypse!
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
November 25 2011 15:03 GMT
#74
What do we do with the time that is given to us?
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 25 2011 15:09 GMT
#75
WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO AMAZING. best articles ever <3

I was going to turn off my computer and sleep early so I'd be up in time tomorrow morning to head out to the stadium, but then my laptop turned itself back on. Probably just to make me read this. It was fate.

THE EXCITEMENT, IT BURNS. GO SKT!!!!!!!!!!!

Writer:o
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
November 25 2011 15:13 GMT
#76
I just read the whole thing. It blowed my mind. I'm so amazed that coach Ju Hoon is back... I didn't know... My god...
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Cejotas
Profile Joined March 2011
Spain88 Posts
November 25 2011 15:17 GMT
#77
Team 8 domination incoming!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 25 2011 15:22 GMT
#78
YYEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Proleague is back! :D

On November 25 2011 18:51 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 18:44 riptide wrote:
BROODWAR IS BACK!

I approve of shoving in more SKT-related content

And of this title: "SK Telecom T1, the godfathers of Starcraft Progaming"

There is never enough SKT Content!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Shuray
Profile Joined July 2008
Brazil642 Posts
November 25 2011 15:37 GMT
#79
Jaedong, Jaehoon and Sea is an awesome line-up
Terrorterran
Profile Joined January 2009
Peru256 Posts
November 25 2011 15:38 GMT
#80
GOGO PROLEAGUE... KT fighting!!!
GG
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
November 25 2011 15:54 GMT
#81
CCCCCJJJJJJJ.

So pumped. Can't effing wait.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Finskie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden412 Posts
November 25 2011 15:57 GMT
#82
dat content. i get impressed every time i read a bw-article

GO KHAN
Violet.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
November 25 2011 15:57 GMT
#83
Will there ever be a more epic photo of any progamer than that one of FBH?

I call unlikely.

That aside, kicking off a PL season with SKT vs 8. OH MY GOD YES!
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 25 2011 16:02 GMT
#84
Man, you are so wrong about Woongjin. They will rape everyone this season. The Tsunami is coming...
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
November 25 2011 16:18 GMT
#85
I love it! I can't wait until tonight.
Korean Air, please save Fox.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 25 2011 16:26 GMT
#86
On November 26 2011 00:22 MoonBear wrote:
YYEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Proleague is back! :D

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 18:51 Spica wrote:
On November 25 2011 18:44 riptide wrote:
BROODWAR IS BACK!

I approve of shoving in more SKT-related content

And of this title: "SK Telecom T1, the godfathers of Starcraft Progaming"

There is never enough SKT Content!

these men speak the truth!

let it be known that SK Telecom T1 is the best team ever in Progaming history!
POGGERS
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
November 25 2011 16:28 GMT
#87
This is so beautiful TT

long live broodwar.
1click
Profile Joined October 2011
Vietnam4 Posts
November 25 2011 16:33 GMT
#88
I plan to be there tomorrow. It says that the first match starts at 12:00 PM KST, but the opening ceremony starts at 11:00 AM KST?
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
November 25 2011 16:35 GMT
#89
Looking forward to this, will be my first proleague i'll follow from the start!!

Not sure who to cheer for yet, but i'll find someone!
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 25 2011 16:38 GMT
#90
The feeling I got when I saw the yellow "2" in the liquibet corner.
Reading the hype posts!
I love broodwar.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 17:58:56
November 25 2011 16:45 GMT
#91
Wowow sick nice write ups guys :D Thanks for your work, looks great.

edit: although to be honest the misuse of commas is really irritating after awhile.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Emperor_Earth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States824 Posts
November 25 2011 16:48 GMT
#92
On November 25 2011 18:44 riptide wrote:
BROODWAR IS BACK!


It never truly left.

I look forward to threepeating over SKT1. T8 can take bronze if they like
@Emperor_Earth ------- "Amat Victoria Curam."
Psyon67
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8 Posts
November 25 2011 16:48 GMT
#93
On November 25 2011 23:44 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:38 ciaiei wrote:
WTF Sniper ridge? doesn't anyone else see that the whole map is clearly a Swastika?

how can a map like that be in something like Proleague?


...

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 21:12 kdgns wrote:
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


The nazi swastika is a right facing diamond swastika, this is a left facing flat swastika, which is widely regarded as a symbol for Buddhism, its important to make the distinction


This question has popped up a couple dozen times across different threads. God forbid we have a culture that's not Western.


The issue here isn't Western culture vs. Eastern culture, it's an issue of sensitivity. I'm not saying anyone's racist or anti-semitic, the map maker probably meant it as a symbol for good luck, but that doesn't make it okay. Just because a symbol isn't insensitive to one culture does not mean it isn't insensitive to other cultures. There's a reason you don't wear a KGB shirt through the airport at Prague, or name a map "the Trail of Tears", it's insensitive to cultures and associated with terrible events. The swastika may be a symbol for good luck, but to many in the world its the symbol associated with the Holocaust. I think they should replace it with a different map.
Alex)
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Scotland263 Posts
November 25 2011 16:49 GMT
#94
sniper ridge looks german favoured
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
November 25 2011 16:55 GMT
#95
On November 26 2011 01:49 Alex) wrote:
sniper ridge looks german favoured


its Buddhist.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 25 2011 17:00 GMT
#96
What's incredible is that not only does this season look to be even better than those who preceded it (as you rightly pointed out), but that TL BW articles seem to be improving even faster in quality. Truly appreciated that you asked out some good foreign players for their opinion, hope to see that sort of thing again in the future. I think it is also a good publicity for the foreign scene which has been lots of fun to follow during those months hollow of pro-bw =)
Cheers, to the greatest season of proleague ever ! <3
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kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
November 25 2011 17:13 GMT
#97
On November 26 2011 01:48 Psyon67 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:44 bearbuddy wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:38 ciaiei wrote:
WTF Sniper ridge? doesn't anyone else see that the whole map is clearly a Swastika?

how can a map like that be in something like Proleague?


...

On November 25 2011 21:12 kdgns wrote:
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


The nazi swastika is a right facing diamond swastika, this is a left facing flat swastika, which is widely regarded as a symbol for Buddhism, its important to make the distinction


This question has popped up a couple dozen times across different threads. God forbid we have a culture that's not Western.


The issue here isn't Western culture vs. Eastern culture, it's an issue of sensitivity. I'm not saying anyone's racist or anti-semitic, the map maker probably meant it as a symbol for good luck, but that doesn't make it okay. Just because a symbol isn't insensitive to one culture does not mean it isn't insensitive to other cultures. There's a reason you don't wear a KGB shirt through the airport at Prague, or name a map "the Trail of Tears", it's insensitive to cultures and associated with terrible events. The swastika may be a symbol for good luck, but to many in the world its the symbol associated with the Holocaust. I think they should replace it with a different map.

Nazi Germany has nothing to do with South Korea. The buddhist symbol, aka a swastika, is waaaay more culturally relevant to South Korea than the Nazi hakenkreuz and they associate the swastika with buddhism. PL is exclusively aired in South Korea and we are illegally streaming it. There is no issue here.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 17:20:24
November 25 2011 17:15 GMT
#98
On November 26 2011 01:48 Psyon67 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:44 bearbuddy wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:38 ciaiei wrote:
WTF Sniper ridge? doesn't anyone else see that the whole map is clearly a Swastika?

how can a map like that be in something like Proleague?


...

On November 25 2011 21:12 kdgns wrote:
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


The nazi swastika is a right facing diamond swastika, this is a left facing flat swastika, which is widely regarded as a symbol for Buddhism, its important to make the distinction


This question has popped up a couple dozen times across different threads. God forbid we have a culture that's not Western.


The issue here isn't Western culture vs. Eastern culture, it's an issue of sensitivity. I'm not saying anyone's racist or anti-semitic, the map maker probably meant it as a symbol for good luck, but that doesn't make it okay. Just because a symbol isn't insensitive to one culture does not mean it isn't insensitive to other cultures. There's a reason you don't wear a KGB shirt through the airport at Prague, or name a map "the Trail of Tears", it's insensitive to cultures and associated with terrible events. The swastika may be a symbol for good luck, but to many in the world its the symbol associated with the Holocaust. I think they should replace it with a different map.


Except, as kdgns pointed out, it's a reverse swastika of the Nazi one. They are two distinctive things. Proleague is in Korea, all the way across the world, with a symbol that's been there for far longer than the reversed one that's been around for less than a hundred years.

Let me play the devil's advocate for a second: let's adorn buildings with crosses and other symbols that's true to their original and not a reversed cross. After all, it doesn't offend anyone persecuted due to religions reasons and it's okay.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 25 2011 17:16 GMT
#99
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG SO EXCITED FOR PROLEAGUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Translator
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
November 25 2011 17:21 GMT
#100
Samsung KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
kiss kiss fall in love
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
November 25 2011 17:33 GMT
#101
Super article!
Especially the "players talks about maps"-section, haven´t seen that before (but it probably has). Im super pumped, pl 11-12 writer team gogogogogogogogo!
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
November 25 2011 17:35 GMT
#102
FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUARK I WANT IT NOW
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 25 2011 18:05 GMT
#103
omg amazing writing again <3 thanks again for the pl review .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Vantastic
Profile Joined October 2009
United States112 Posts
November 25 2011 18:06 GMT
#104
Fucking Vantastic it write up and I am so pump for this Pro league
Winters: Captain Sobel... we salute the rank, not the man.
IrOnKaL
Profile Joined June 2011
United States340 Posts
November 25 2011 18:11 GMT
#105
My night is gone
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
November 25 2011 18:23 GMT
#106
Holy.....shit. This post actually sent chills down my back as I finished it up. Really good work.

Rooting for the Dream Team! LET US RISE, TO A NEW DAWN!
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
jonaada
Profile Joined June 2011
Iceland49 Posts
November 25 2011 18:26 GMT
#107
So pumped!
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
November 25 2011 18:30 GMT
#108
Sick read, sick graphics!

BROODWAR :D
Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
November 25 2011 18:31 GMT
#109
Flashhhhhhhhh pwn em all
Absurd Bunny
Profile Joined June 2011
168 Posts
November 25 2011 18:32 GMT
#110
Where can I watch the proleague in the US? Is there going to be a livestream?
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
November 25 2011 18:36 GMT
#111
On November 26 2011 03:32 Absurd Bunny wrote:
Where can I watch the proleague in the US? Is there going to be a livestream?


There will be streams.

On topic: Amazing article, I'm so hyped now :O
TheStonerer
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada278 Posts
November 25 2011 18:38 GMT
#112
In my opinion, Teamliquid writing at its finest. Gonna be a sick season :o
conTAgi0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States335 Posts
November 25 2011 18:40 GMT
#113
On November 25 2011 18:40 mr_tolkien wrote:
I accept your apologies.

Oh man, I laughed so hard when I read this. Well played, sir.
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
November 25 2011 18:46 GMT
#114
AWESOME! AND NEW WORLD SYMPHONY!

AM SO HYPE FOR TEAM 8 C'MON EXAMS END ALREADY
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 25 2011 19:02 GMT
#115
Get ready for the dongination!
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
November 25 2011 19:06 GMT
#116
Great article, very informative. Can't wait for this new season to start. This is going to be legendary.
o choro é livre
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
November 25 2011 19:19 GMT
#117
Nice article ahhh SO HYPED
My life will be fulfilling again ^_^
[TLMS] REBOOT
Fiel
Profile Joined March 2010
United States587 Posts
November 25 2011 19:20 GMT
#118
Could not agree with you more Kiante!

Keep up the good work guys. I'm really looking forward to some great PL matches.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
November 25 2011 19:23 GMT
#119
Proleague starts in just over 7 hours YAAAAAAAAYYY!!!!
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
November 25 2011 19:35 GMT
#120
--- Nuked ---
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
November 25 2011 19:35 GMT
#121
Awesome i cant wait!

Are we gonna get a team 8 icon? Do they even have a logo yet lol?
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
iSabeR
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden8 Posts
November 25 2011 19:40 GMT
#122
CANT WAIT!!!! only a few hours left!! :D :D:D:D:D:D.
Team 8 fighting!
HardMacro
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada361 Posts
November 25 2011 19:48 GMT
#123
CAN ANYBODY SAY............

HYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Thanks for the preview, amazing job as always.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ saving this here because I use it, don't know how to make it, and don't know it's name
theslayer922
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada304 Posts
November 25 2011 20:00 GMT
#124
GOGOGOGO JAEDONG FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the Donger I Trust
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
November 25 2011 20:04 GMT
#125
HYPED! Hopefully I can catch the first matches livestreamed. I can't wait to see team8 in action.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
StanzA
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada478 Posts
November 25 2011 20:14 GMT
#126
Still sad oz is gone, but from their ashes a new team is forged. I'll be rooting for team 8 tonight, what a statement it would be if they manage to beat skt in their first game.
oz fighting FOREVER! ~ hemlock.695 stanza.295~ root4root
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
November 25 2011 20:28 GMT
#127
First time watching BW, been watching sc2 for a while, but I'm soo excited. Will be rooting for Team 8 cause they're new, like me
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
November 25 2011 20:29 GMT
#128
Feels far too long since I've watched any BW matches, almost cried when I read these articles. BW is back!
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Flossy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States870 Posts
November 25 2011 20:32 GMT
#129
Stork in a dinosaur costume. LOL
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OSM.OneManArmy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States509 Posts
November 25 2011 20:36 GMT
#130
I'm shedding tears of joy reading this :')
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 25 2011 20:42 GMT
#131
holy gigantic writeup

wow
Translator:3
Gruv
Profile Joined October 2009
United Kingdom379 Posts
November 25 2011 20:51 GMT
#132
HYPE HYPE HYPE! Cannot actually wait for the new season to start!
Well butter my biscuit.
xlat
Profile Joined August 2010
176 Posts
November 25 2011 20:59 GMT
#133
Thank you thank you thank you!
BW-writeups are always so good (sorry wax, love your sc2 stuff but still )

With my favourite player (jd) and my shameful guilty pleasure (baby) on the same team i'm more hyped about pro league than I've been the last couple of years.

This will be fantastic.

Oz is dead, long live the king(s).
NEXUS6
Profile Joined July 2011
United States413 Posts
November 25 2011 21:20 GMT
#134
What can one do against such reckless hate?
NuclearWINtr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States125 Posts
November 25 2011 21:24 GMT
#135
I am so HYYYYYPED now.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 25 2011 21:25 GMT
#136
Woot, less than 6 hours left -.-

I guess it means all-nighter for me :D
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Guilty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada812 Posts
November 25 2011 21:32 GMT
#137
♥ I cant wait!
Woot for BW!! Fantastic write-up too!
"How hard could it be?" -J. Clarkson
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
November 25 2011 21:34 GMT
#138
*hand in copy of text
*go mia for 3 days cause of work
*come home to newspost being posted after having been completely riptitified and hawaiianpiginated
*blow mind

gonna read all of this when I have time. looks so amazing though. gj everyone!
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
brendaaan
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand77 Posts
November 25 2011 21:42 GMT
#139
i dont even play BW, but this was a good read xD!
gw guys!!!
Rubrix cube record: 36 seconds :D
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
November 25 2011 21:49 GMT
#140
get some fuckin HYPE

sick write-up! sick season!
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
November 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#141
Great write up, so pumped for tonight.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
November 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#142
team 8 fighting, great write up!
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#143
What a sick write up.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Canadium
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada171 Posts
November 25 2011 22:25 GMT
#144
AND MY AXE!
You better run Charles....
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
November 25 2011 22:32 GMT
#145
Very epic write-up!
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
November 25 2011 22:40 GMT
#146
The greatest competitive season of the greatest game on the greatest website with the greatest FPL! GO GO GO SC:BW!

One cannot simply micro into mordor!
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 25 2011 22:42 GMT
#147
<3 <3 <3 proleague and the writeup
Writer
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#148
holy fucking YES!@
jaedong imba
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
November 25 2011 22:46 GMT
#149
wooooooooooooooooooooooo PL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
November 25 2011 22:49 GMT
#150
Awesome writeup.

Surprised none of the panel members commented on the Nazi-map though:

[image loading]
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
November 25 2011 22:59 GMT
#151
fuck, i'm so pumped!

can barely wait...
BW is back
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
November 25 2011 23:00 GMT
#152
HYYYYPPPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jaedong.
crc
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia256 Posts
November 25 2011 23:14 GMT
#153
I'm super pumped now! Bring on BW! Hope my new workplace didn't block TL
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
November 25 2011 23:28 GMT
#154
I can only dream that the season be of the same quality as of this post, the TL Proleague team is beyond words.
Thank you guys very much! And Team 8 fighting!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
November 25 2011 23:36 GMT
#155
Great write up. SKT fighting. I have my LR thread preparations ready to go!
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 25 2011 23:43 GMT
#156
Lets get this party started!
tiaz
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden231 Posts
November 26 2011 00:02 GMT
#157
Gogogogogogogogogogogogo! Amazing write up, as always. BW articles NEVER fails. <3
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." - Iloveoov
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
November 26 2011 00:03 GMT
#158
IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING

BROOD WAR

I feel like a man about to die of dehydration in the desert, stumbling onto a fertile oasis. TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
kassi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States290 Posts
November 26 2011 00:04 GMT
#159
wow. just wow. <3 Broodwar and all the writers! Thank you for all the work you do and the fire you continue to light for proleague =)

I'm so psyched for the upcoming season! Hype!!!
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
November 26 2011 00:10 GMT
#160
God T - minus 3 hours for proleague!

“What Can Nerds Do Against Such Reckless Awesomeness?”
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
November 26 2011 00:19 GMT
#161
Amazing write up as usual!
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
November 26 2011 00:25 GMT
#162
I think I'm more excited for proleague than dreamhack finals.
Force staff is the best item in the game.
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
November 26 2011 00:29 GMT
#163
Sick write up. Love everything about it. Though really you failed to metion that CJ will take home Gold this year!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 26 2011 00:38 GMT
#164
SOON MY FRIENDS! Sick writeup.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
November 26 2011 00:41 GMT
#165
TO RUIN, AND A RED DAWN!

BW IS BACK, FUCK YEAH! :D
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 00:42:26
November 26 2011 00:42 GMT
#166
FOR ROHAN BROOD WAR!
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
November 26 2011 00:53 GMT
#167
Exceptional write up well done. I am hyped!
SEKO SEKO SEKO
RileyCyrus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States14 Posts
November 26 2011 00:59 GMT
#168
Reading these sort of proleague articles always inspires me to watch broodwar VODs even though I wasn't in tne to the starcraft community until sc2. Great read. WP
We make expand, then defense it. --White ra
Rizare
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada592 Posts
November 26 2011 01:22 GMT
#169
This quite an amazing writeup. It makes me wish that I discovered BW progaming 6 years ago instead of wasting all that time on UMS maps.
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
November 26 2011 01:27 GMT
#170
huge vegan pizza + tons of peach juice ready to be destroyed in about 1.5 hours
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
November 26 2011 01:36 GMT
#171
wanna see ktf do 3 in a row <3
eujjjjj
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 26 2011 01:42 GMT
#172
On November 26 2011 07:49 Thrill wrote:
Awesome writeup.

Surprised none of the panel members commented on the Nazi-map though:


We already had a lot of those ignorant comments, including in this thread ?


Just re-read the whole article again as it starts in 1 hour. Already theorycrafting on the maps in my head.
ॐ
Makenshi
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden2105 Posts
November 26 2011 01:43 GMT
#173
After reading this.. i've decided to start watching BW again.. man.. i've actually missed it :o
tjdlghkd
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1 Post
November 26 2011 01:46 GMT
#174
Great write up! Long live Brood War!! This seasons gonna be epic with all teams stronger than ever before... can't wait!
HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
November 26 2011 02:01 GMT
#175
Saw the title hours ago. Didn't expect much but the same old fanboyism predictions and analysis.

Just read the first 3 articles. A manly tear was shed. Beautifully written.

Welcome back, Broodwar!
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
November 26 2011 02:21 GMT
#176
So excited for tonight! 40 more minutes!
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
November 26 2011 02:35 GMT
#177
God I love this game.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
November 26 2011 03:00 GMT
#178
On November 26 2011 07:25 Canadium wrote:
AND MY AXE!


I went through 8 pages to find this lol

Can't wait for this, outstanding write-up
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
November 26 2011 03:02 GMT
#179
Nice article. Season has finally begun!

The games are almost about to start!!
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
November 26 2011 03:14 GMT
#180
woohoo! brood war! :D thank you for the awesomeness!
^^
_Depression
Profile Joined October 2011
United States251 Posts
November 26 2011 03:20 GMT
#181
Shockingly enough, this will be the first ever Broodwar tournament I'll be watching. I came into the world of Starcraft 2 when the game released, but never played Broodwar or even knew it existed until I bought SC2, so I need to make up for my 19 years of blasphemy.

=3
Censured
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1060 Posts
November 26 2011 03:31 GMT
#182
Am I the only one who see swastika on sniper ridge???
Occupation: Legend
Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 00:52:08
November 26 2011 03:45 GMT
#183
MOD edit: no spoilers!!!!!
JD fanboy. #FPPS
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
November 26 2011 04:21 GMT
#184
You guys kept your promise from last season's article, <3 you guys.

Never fails to inspire.

Lets go BW!

I really liked the map analysis, helps a lot when I'm trying to learn how to read the game while watching.
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
dudecrush
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada418 Posts
November 26 2011 04:23 GMT
#185
The new maps are gonna be lulzy... I'm gonna be watching a lot of Sayle this season.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 13:36:28
November 26 2011 05:30 GMT
#186
On November 26 2011 12:45 Zera wrote:


I'm curious as to why you would think that? =)

-mod edit-
Please don't quote spoilers!
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JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
November 26 2011 06:18 GMT
#187
Amazing read. Love all you article writers.
KT_Violet
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 26 2011 08:22 GMT
#188
Great great matches!

GReat write-up, I absolutely adore these!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Dakk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden572 Posts
November 26 2011 08:26 GMT
#189
Is it only me or does Sniper Ridge look an aweful lot like the "hak kors" as we call it in swedish. The symbol that the nazis used.
I will not fear, Fear is the mindkiller. Fear is the little death.
Latrommi
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States222 Posts
November 26 2011 08:40 GMT
#190
More crotchmaster action plz. LOL gogogo fbh
Possibly the best thread ever http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232912&currentpage=All
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 26 2011 09:27 GMT
#191
Wow such great matches to open up the PL season*_*
So glad it started I was in desperate need of some high quality starcraft.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
<3
Cackle™
TzaTzers
Profile Joined April 2009
United States589 Posts
November 26 2011 11:14 GMT
#192
I wait to see how Team 8 will do, but I will always be rooting for Khan.
"Why did the colossus fall over? because he was imbalanced..."
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
November 26 2011 12:08 GMT
#193
On November 26 2011 12:31 Censured wrote:
Am I the only one who see swastika on sniper ridge???


you are not.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
November 26 2011 14:50 GMT
#194
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?

yep, that`s awkward.
keep it deep! @zulison
smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
November 26 2011 14:55 GMT
#195
took me a bit tro read, but its very good. nice graphs also
thanks
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
November 26 2011 16:13 GMT
#196
On November 26 2011 23:50 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?

yep, that`s awkward.

awkward for you, not for them...
Stork[gm]
MeteorRise
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada611 Posts
November 26 2011 17:06 GMT
#197
And this is why I love team liquid. Oh baby, I'm so pumped for some proleague. A SKT - Team 8 Final would just be so exciting.
Elegance, in all things.
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
November 26 2011 18:23 GMT
#198
On November 26 2011 23:50 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?

yep, that`s awkward.


It's not a fucking "swastika", I mean it's not the bad one. It was already said OVER AND OVER AGAIN.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
November 26 2011 19:25 GMT
#199
On November 27 2011 03:23 mtn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:50 zul wrote:
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?

yep, that`s awkward.


It's not a fucking "swastika", I mean it's not the bad one. It was already said OVER AND OVER AGAIN.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika


Nah, let them showcase their ignorance.
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
November 26 2011 19:35 GMT
#200
This...

article...

is so...

damn...

BITCHIN AWESOME

LOVE BW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Kon-Tiki
Profile Joined February 2011
United States402 Posts
November 26 2011 19:46 GMT
#201
One does not simply 1-a into pro league
I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
November 26 2011 20:04 GMT
#202
Awesome article!
월요 날 재미있
laguu
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland278 Posts
November 27 2011 00:25 GMT
#203
Lot of love for the whole crew. Amazing!
Arguing with a fool proves there are two.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 00:26:54
November 27 2011 00:26 GMT
#204


I always thought of this as how the TL modding staff feel some days. And then Manifesto shows up and bans everyone.
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 27 2011 00:54 GMT
#205
wow. what an excellent set of articles. kudos to you all
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10343 Posts
November 27 2011 02:05 GMT
#206
lol at the first few posts about Lotr

Also, omg great write up! you're right the coaches should definitely get more attention!

Wow, looking back at that old SKT1 picture brings a tear to my eye. Boxer, and Rainbow, back when they were both at their primes
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
DeVx
Profile Joined September 2011
United States98 Posts
November 27 2011 02:05 GMT
#207
Awesome article! It was a great read

But does Sniper Ridge look like a giant swastika to anyone else?
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
November 27 2011 05:43 GMT
#208
Don't know why but this page starts lagging after a while and can't scroll, anyone know whats up?
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Aurorajp
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada43 Posts
November 27 2011 06:11 GMT
#209
nice writeup as usual gogo team 8
sup son
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
November 27 2011 07:38 GMT
#210
Was i the only one that watched LOTR after this thread?
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Manex
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia156 Posts
November 27 2011 08:15 GMT
#211
Whats with the swastika in sniper ridge?
My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is *not* a porn star!
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
November 27 2011 15:36 GMT
#212
The predictions turned out quite well!
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
November 27 2011 19:28 GMT
#213
most epic thread ever .__.
sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
November 27 2011 19:35 GMT
#214
Great article everyone

also...
+ Show Spoiler +
them orcs got flanked XD
"Dude, just don't listen to what I say; listen to what I mean." -Sean Plott
lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
November 27 2011 19:35 GMT
#215
On November 27 2011 17:15 Manex wrote:
Whats with the swastika in sniper ridge?
I believe its a buddhist symbol, and not an actual swastika. Goes in the opposite direction
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
November 27 2011 20:22 GMT
#216
I dont follow bw closely at all, but i love reading these articles!
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
November 27 2011 21:22 GMT
#217
On November 28 2011 04:35 lizzard_warish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 17:15 Manex wrote:
Whats with the swastika in sniper ridge?
I believe its a buddhist symbol, and not an actual swastika. Goes in the opposite direction


the actual symbol is called swastika, even the buddhist symbol
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
November 27 2011 22:17 GMT
#218
I am SO GLAD PL IS BACK

SO SO GLAD.
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TheBamf
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark366 Posts
November 27 2011 23:32 GMT
#219
Holy moly that was a great article, thanks a bunch!
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DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
November 28 2011 02:58 GMT
#220
Nice write up!
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
November 28 2011 03:47 GMT
#221
I'm very excited for this PL it is great because so far the match times have been early enough that I can watch them

Should be a great season can't wait for more games!!!!

CJ FIGHTING!!!
Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
November 28 2011 06:44 GMT
#222
On November 25 2011 21:52 kuroshiroi wrote:
So much content... amazing write-up!

3-1 for SKT, huh? We'll see. We'll see.


Yeah you saw.

Only on watching BW do you fully remember what you've been missing: the tension, the back-and-forth, the positional dancing. The opening round has been great so far, it's fantastic to watch the pros find their feet again and shake off the rust. I've really been enjoying the new maps, too, they've brought out some really interesting plays.

Awesome write-up. Welcome back BW
"Bisu is just too good." - Jaedong (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218995) "Bisu hyung's play is just too good" - Flash (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225861)
weedhydra
Profile Joined October 2011
28 Posts
November 28 2011 09:27 GMT
#223
Good read.
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
November 28 2011 16:50 GMT
#224
i just hope some guys move to SC2 to see if they are as good as advertised by the fans... i think that there is enough audience and money for them to try SC2..
ja foste
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 19:50:28
November 28 2011 19:48 GMT
#225
On November 29 2011 01:50 tapk69 wrote:
i just hope some guys move to SC2 to see if they are as good as advertised by the fans... i think that there is enough audience and money for them to try SC2..


+ Show Spoiler +
I hope your mom (insert explicit notion here) to see if she is as good as advertised. I think there's enough audience and money for her to try.


I don't usually flame people on TL cuz I have respect for this clean and tidy forum, but cmon man GTFO. Of course Flash won't be as good as MVP right as he starts, MVP has hundreds of hours of practice. Still, I see MVP on the top sc2 rank and laugh cuz his greatest accomplishment in BW was beating Flash once, making their record 1-4. And you can see my team tag, I was rooting for him since he was Woonjin's best terran! XD. Don't even know why I wasted my time with this post, I'm just sick of hearing sc2 people say that our coveted players should make the switch

EDIT: you wanna see if BW players are as good as we say they are? How about you play a few BW matches on Fish server, then watch the KT vs team8 match tonight
jaedong imba
Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 00:52:25
November 28 2011 22:05 GMT
#226
On November 26 2011 12:45 Zera wrote:
MOD edit: no spoilers!!!!!



Mod, it was not a spoiler, look at the time when it was written! It was before the matches started (or after the first game, can't remember now correctly). It was just a reaction to predictions! Please undo a warning.
JD fanboy. #FPPS
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 01:41:17
November 29 2011 01:40 GMT
#227
god, been waiting for SPL for what feels like forever. KT FIGHTING! and holy shit Mustaju,+ Show Spoiler +
pretty close/decent first week picks so far! ;x
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 12:43:07
November 29 2011 12:42 GMT
#228
On November 29 2011 04:48 slappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 01:50 tapk69 wrote:
i just hope some guys move to SC2 to see if they are as good as advertised by the fans... i think that there is enough audience and money for them to try SC2..


+ Show Spoiler +
I hope your mom (insert explicit notion here) to see if she is as good as advertised. I think there's enough audience and money for her to try.


I don't usually flame people on TL cuz I have respect for this clean and tidy forum, but cmon man GTFO. Of course Flash won't be as good as MVP right as he starts, MVP has hundreds of hours of practice. Still, I see MVP on the top sc2 rank and laugh cuz his greatest accomplishment in BW was beating Flash once, making their record 1-4. And you can see my team tag, I was rooting for him since he was Woonjin's best terran! XD. Don't even know why I wasted my time with this post, I'm just sick of hearing sc2 people say that our coveted players should make the switch

EDIT: you wanna see if BW players are as good as we say they are? How about you play a few BW matches on Fish server, then watch the KT vs team8 match tonight

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Credit to HotBid
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
November 29 2011 13:35 GMT
#229
sorry maybe i shouldnt have said it that way... im not saying to kill broodwar , i just wished to see a guy like flash switch and dedicate himself to SC2 .. Its like an evolution..
ja foste
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 29 2011 16:01 GMT
#230
On November 29 2011 22:35 tapk69 wrote:
sorry maybe i shouldnt have said it that way... im not saying to kill broodwar , i just wished to see a guy like flash switch and dedicate himself to SC2 .. Its like an evolution..


flash switching to sc2 would be like charizard evolving to charmander... sic
jaedong imba
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
November 29 2011 23:51 GMT
#231
On November 29 2011 10:40 Kazeyonoma wrote:
god, been waiting for SPL for what feels like forever. KT FIGHTING! and holy shit Mustaju,+ Show Spoiler +
pretty close/decent first week picks so far! ;x

+ Show Spoiler +
No kidding, man. If CJ takes out Ace 3-0 I'm asking Mustaju for LB predictions for the entire season


I just re-read a lot of this article, so goooood. BW has so many awesome writers!
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 30 2011 00:53 GMT
#232
On November 29 2011 07:05 Zera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 12:45 Zera wrote:
MOD edit: no spoilers!!!!!



Mod, it was not a spoiler, look at the time when it was written! It was before the matches started (or after the first game, can't remember now correctly). It was just a reaction to predictions! Please undo a warning.


I saw this was in mistake, so it was removed.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 30 2011 01:27 GMT
#233
On November 30 2011 01:01 slappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 22:35 tapk69 wrote:
sorry maybe i shouldnt have said it that way... im not saying to kill broodwar , i just wished to see a guy like flash switch and dedicate himself to SC2 .. Its like an evolution..


flash switching to sc2 would be like charizard evolving to charmander... sic

Yeah all the next in line, natural progression, evolution arguments never made much sense to me. It's like Federer moving to competitive bat tennis =P
MrNomad
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States53 Posts
November 30 2011 14:55 GMT
#234
been watching these, sadly my schedule doesn't match up with the live airing
Nerd
RedW4rr10r
Profile Joined January 2010
Switzerland746 Posts
November 30 2011 21:46 GMT
#235
Nice article!
The map "Sniper Ridge" looks somewhat... suspicious...
Rip & Tear until it is done!
icclown
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Denmark270 Posts
December 02 2011 12:17 GMT
#236
On November 29 2011 04:48 slappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 01:50 tapk69 wrote:
i just hope some guys move to SC2 to see if they are as good as advertised by the fans... i think that there is enough audience and money for them to try SC2..


+ Show Spoiler +
I hope your mom (insert explicit notion here) to see if she is as good as advertised. I think there's enough audience and money for her to try.


I don't usually flame people on TL cuz I have respect for this clean and tidy forum, but cmon man GTFO. Of course Flash won't be as good as MVP right as he starts, MVP has hundreds of hours of practice. Still, I see MVP on the top sc2 rank and laugh cuz his greatest accomplishment in BW was beating Flash once, making their record 1-4. And you can see my team tag, I was rooting for him since he was Woonjin's best terran! XD. Don't even know why I wasted my time with this post, I'm just sick of hearing sc2 people say that our coveted players should make the switch

EDIT: you wanna see if BW players are as good as we say they are? How about you play a few BW matches on Fish server, then watch the KT vs team8 match tonight



I so second this emotion... Reminds me of something Tasteless once said, something like: "The better you get, the more you realize how good these players really are..."... I'm only a D+/C- on iccup, so I have yet much to learn, but I still think these players are godly.

I play SC2 as well as highranked master, and still I'm not too impressed with the "pros" in this scene!

This season I think everyone should follow BW as it could potentially be the last season of PL (I sooooo hope not!!!) and it would be nice for all the new generation gamers/fans to have an insight in what BW is really about - not 1a vs. 1a -> to gg.

He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past. BUFFER INTO GG
ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
December 04 2011 09:17 GMT
#237
Thanks for that write-up. I'm excited to follow my first ever Proleague.
I just love video games, what's your excuse?
growl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States203 Posts
December 05 2011 06:29 GMT
#238
Amazing predictions for the first week. Holy cow those were accurate.
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