EPTMaps in the Balance - Page 6
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
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Phelix
1931 Posts
I'm tired of seeing Metalopolis/XNC after ~2000 games on them because the players will use the optimal strategy on said maps as the map is figured out. The problem is that tournament organizers, especially small ones, wants to become the next big thing, and have to cater to the professional players that play in them. Thus, the organizers use the same map pool from the big tournaments to appease the players to generate content. This leads to the problem of too many small tournaments that uses the same maps over and over to generate content. On November 15 2011 08:48 TuElite wrote: Something I don't understand is why the f do leagues such as GSL and MLG still use watch towers ???! My opinion on watchtowers is that they are necessary because pushes happen much quicker in Starcraft 2, and watchtowers gives the defending player an option to see if the attack is coming or not. Also, it allows the attacking player to assert more map dominance, rather than just their standing army. Also, I think it's mostly for the Zerg to use because they can place a Zergling to see, and Zerg is more susceptible to big, multiple and well-timed attacks. I agree with your sentiment though, I dislike the Watchtower mechanic as maps get bigger and mapmakers figure out whether this mechanic is necessary. | ||
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BradenKuntz
Canada59 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
You think Brood War would have taken off like it did if everyone was forced to play on Blood Bath? ![[image loading]](http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080827024751/starcraft/images/thumb/0/01/Blood_Bath_SC1_Art1.jpg/672px-Blood_Bath_SC1_Art1.jpg) | ||
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HystericaLaughter
Australia720 Posts
TvZ goes from 57% to 47% Also I never thought steppes was worse than jungle basin. I personally always felt more comfortable on jb as a Zerg | ||
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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DIMAGA
Ukraine38 Posts
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On November 15 2011 08:55 Hinanawi wrote: It's pretty damn silly that Blizz has such a strangehold on maps right now. You think Brood War would have taken off like it did if everyone was forced to play on Blood Bath? Admittedly, Blood Bath was not intended to be a ladder map, but there are plenty of examples of terrible maps from Blizzard in BW that were intended for ladder play. I've never really understood why this notion has been so absent from discussions of Sc2 balance - BW was essentially balanced by professional map designers, not Blizzard. | ||
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imEnex
Canada500 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
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NekoFlandre
United States497 Posts
Destination....Python....Heartbreak Ridge........... Blue Storm.... Ride of the Valkyrie....... Fighting Spirit.....Katrina.....Gaia.......... Oh... We have. Yea. Not okay maps for SC2. If someone TRIES something new on them. The old standard most likely WILL end up winning. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
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vtbarrera
United States46 Posts
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SCbiff
110 Posts
Why we, who had the long history of Brood War to refer to, decided to use the default Blizzard maps for money tournaments with talented players, is unfathomable. It's not unfathomable at all. The game was (and still is) young, and there were (are) no other maps with the kind of wide-spread familiarity of the ladder maps. More important than the intricate balance of a map is the massive imbalance of using a map that one player knows better than another, or the lack of high level play on a map that neither player knows. Even when a map is eventually ruled as "bad," it often takes time to get there. XNC was, for a long time, the preferred map of a lot of players (including pro), and was considered the most balanced. Now look at it. There's a reason that it took a while to decide which BW maps were the best for tournaments, and it isn't because BW was the first time out. It's because it's an inherently hard goal which takes time to accomplish, and in the meantime, you're better sticking with the devil you know. | ||
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Skawuscha
Austria110 Posts
ESV Korean Weekly use custom maps. So go and watch those tournaments and give feedback!!! | ||
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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chiwawa
330 Posts
On November 15 2011 09:16 Skawuscha wrote: Some people here haven't noticed that NASL and IPL already testing custom maps and make small tournaments with them. ESV Korean Weekly use custom maps. So go and watch those tournaments and give feedback!!! Yeah, ESV deserves a lot of credit bringing in new western maps into the scene. Hopefully foreign tournaments can start to include these as well as the GSL maps one by one. As they did with Terminus and are about to do with Daybreak to name one map. It would be interesting to see if MLG replaced a map each tournament, they had Testbug way back and it was a nice addition. Because the people that actually had played on Testbug had quite an advantage because they took time and practiced the whole map pool. | ||
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