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IPL3 - To the Bank

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IPL3 - To the Bank

Text byWaxangel
Graphics bySilverskY
October 20th, 2011 05:36 GMT

Table of Contents

Schedule, Results and Standings at Liquipedia

VODs at Twitch.TV

Articles:

Keys to Victory: Stephano

Loser's Lament: FXOLucky

Living up to it: IPL3


Before we begin, I'd like to highlight the multitude of amazing blogs written by the many people who made IPL3 possible. Whether they were there as players, staff, or fans, many people ended up making some unforgettable memories at IPL3. Ulfsark was kind enough to compile these blogs in the following post:

IPL 3 Experiences

With that piece of business done, we present a eulogy for the champion.





Keys to Victory: Stephano

By: tree.hugger

When Milkis was translating Korean netizen reactions to Stephano's IPL3 victory, I joked to him that European netizen reactions would be more along the lines of "Yeah duh, that's what we've been saying for months." Indeed, the French Zerg's triumph in Atlantic City brought out the hipster in many of us who had been watching Stephano grow from an unknown who almost qualified for TSL3, to arguably the best Zerg outside of Korea. But no matter how highly regarded he was, there's no denying that the fact that he won the entire tournament was a true surprise. Coming in a month of unparalleled foreigner success, Stephano's victory stands out because of both the toughness of the competition and because Stephano won without Korean training or even Korean-esque training. We'll inevitably have to talk about recalculating the Korea-Foreigner gap, but for the moment, it's worthwhile just to admire Stephano's play, and what he does to put himself above his competitors.

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Stephano contemplates his contract strategy

The first key to Stephano's victory is that his basic mechanics are extremely strong. Around, and well past the time where many Zergs begin to float over 1000 minerals, Stephano usually keeps his around 400-600, an amount that allows him to both keep an army on the field, yet also gives him some flexibility to react to unforeseen circumstances. For a while Zergs believed that stockpiling larva and minerals was a wise late game decision, but Stephano's play demonstrates the relative value of spending money immediately, as long as you make the right choices and use your army effectively. Stephanos' map vision is also superlative, certainly the first foreign SC2 player who really resembles BW players in spotting small instant blips on the mini-map. Stephano's multi-task and micro are also strengths, although they are at a level that is equaled by several other Zergs.

These are the basic mechanics for any Zerg. But Stephano also has an excellent understanding of the game, and is especially strong against the random timing attacks the dictate much of SC2 play. Part of this is surprisingly less of an even keel, and more of a series of overreactions. A typical Stephano win comes from scouting an attack; overproducing on defense, crushing the attack through numbers, and then counter-attacking, while going on a greedy droning spree behind it. But the unpredictability of Stephano's drone and army cycles makes it difficult to be 'cute' against him. At the same time it's necessary to put some kind of pressure on Stephano, as he is more than comfortable to take a free economic victory. This is the dilemma that a skilled Zerg can put on an opponent, yet few people take advantage of the explosive nature of larva inject. Stephano makes strong commitments to units or to economy, doesn't hedge, and then in the case that he's wrong, he's quite good at finding some use for his investment.

Finally, more than any Zerg in the world, Stephano does all the little things right. That doesn't make him the best, but it gives him little edges here and there that become wins in the long run. Consider the following points and how they become wins:

  • Stephano's overlord spreading is superb, he almost never accumulates a cloud of useless overlords sitting over his natural, but instead has them dropping creep all over future expansions, floating over common drop paths, and most crucially ringing his entire base. This aids his map vision, decision making, and macro considerably, as it gives him an extremely accurate idea of how the gaming is going.

  • Stephano also usually overproduces queens early, which allows him to be safe, but also allows him to spread creep better, to quickly cover a macro hatch, or to supplement troops in the field. It's a no-brainer that is not often repeated, but queens (especially) with transfusion are a powerful addition to early, mid, and late game armies. Stephano is never irrationally afraid to make more than he might need at the moment.

  • Another small thing is Stephano's famous building placement. In the heyday of the blue-flame hellions, Stephano was notorious on the EU ladder for making absurd walls around his bases to prevent hellions from killing him. While the recent BFH nerf has tempered his walling habit somewhat, the lessons of building placement have not been lost on him, and he is still quite good at making his buildings count.

  • Last of the obvious and most interesting traits, Stephano reliably sinks late game minerals into mass spine crawlers; at fringe bases against Terran, and in the middle of the map against Protoss. This is a great investment that Stephano incorporated into his game well before most. Spines are similar to lurkers and siege tanks, not in their destructive capability, but because of their power to delay the enemy and control space. Because Zerg can make so many of them for so little, they're an obvious choice in the late game, and Stephano always chooses correctly.


Stephano isn't the perfect Zerg, but it's remarkable how his wins look ripped from the pages of a Zerg textbook. His embrace of cheap massed units, simple little strategies to prevent unexpected early death, and simple genuine skill are what helped him get to where he is in his career, and led him to his brilliant IPL3 victory.

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Loser's Lament: FXOLucky

By: WaxAngel

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As I worked as a translator at IPL3, I was asked an interesting question.

"Could you answer honestly? How many of the IPL staff backstage were cheering for Lucky, and how many for MMA?"

- Anonymous Korean player, after the Lucky vs. MMA semi-final.


In truth, I didn't know because I had been sitting around in the player lounge where there were only a handful players and maybe one or two staff members. But the implication of the question struck me hard, and it gave me pause. What happens when unknown players make runs?

At best, they have the potential to be underdog darlings or the love-to-hate villains of the tournament. Whether they bring a fairy tale "no one believed in us" spirit or blustering “haters gonna hate” attitude, they can become a rallying point for the fans as they eagerly await the outcome of each of their games.

At worst, they are league-breakers, villains in the non-narrative sense. As much as I hate to say it about Lucky, one of the most soft-spoken and astonishingly humble pro-gamers I’ve met, I imagine that no, not many of the staff from IPL were cheering for him backstage. With neither colorful personality or play style, there was little to be interested in. IPL was fortunate that the all-powerful Korea vs World story line was there to save their finals.

Of course, Lucky shouldn’t really care about any of this. He had a legitimately strong run to the finals, showing some very good, clever play that more than earned him his $12,000.

Yet, I can’t help but feel bad, because, well, Lucky probably did feel bad. My actual response to the player's question came off as an awkward dodge, and he nodded with grim understanding to an imaginary and implicit ‘Everyone wanted MMA to get to the finals.’

Korean players can be little too aware of meta-ESPORTS, much like some of the best (and worst) hardcore fans are. It’s not enough to just enjoy the games; things like stream numbers, media portrayal, and general issues of what’s ‘good’ for the industry become an abnormal obsession.

There were a few demonstrations at IPL3. Before the match Lucky’s match against MMA, I was surprised to see how casually some of the Korean players were making jokes about Lucky having to lose for the sake of the tournament's success, and that was with Lucky in the same room. While he didn’t quite go to the extreme of oGsTheStC, who straight up apologized to the audience for knocking Idra out of the tournament, Lucky seemed to be a little bit embarrassed about making it to the finals, realizing that he was tournament’s primary killjoy.

Maybe it's because they're from Korea, where e-Sports has been in a precarious position for over a decade. I was reminded of one of legendary player-turned-coach iloveoov’s infamous comments before a playoff match between star studded SK T1 (where he was the Terran coach) and plucky underdog Hwaseung Oz, where he stated that “Hwaseung winning will not help the development of e-Sports.” Though iloveoov took a significant amount of flak for his remarkably cruel comment, it felt like some of it was undeserved; most fans knew that were was at least a little bit of harsh truth to his words.

The player's question, I imagine, was asked on behalf of himself, Inori, Lucky, Violet, Artist and the other Korean unknowns at IPL who were used to living iloveoov’s world, where players have the added burden of being industry builders on top being competitors. Maybe it’s a necessary responsibility in a growing industry that’s still so fragile in many ways, but when it gets to the point where winning doesn’t mean winning anymore... Well, that really sucks. It’s already becoming a very star-centric industry, so I would hope that when a dog finally has his day, he shouldn't have to be thinking about whether or not he's biting the hand that feeds.

For all of his "Happy just to be here" attitude and humility that made him endearing, I just wish Lucky had shown us the smallest hint of “F*** ya’ll, I deserve this” in his step. People can joke about his name, but there wasn't anything lucky about his run. He showed us a lot of skill and ability, and hopefully we'll become a community that appreciates it in the future.


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Living up to it: IPL3

By: shindigs

Since the debut of IPL, discussion has centered around the sponsorship from IGN and the huge ambitions they appeared to bring to the Western e-Sports scene. Going into IPL 3, I carried a decent amount of reservations following what seemed like a never-ending stream of hype. Ultimately, the event boiled down to one question: would IPL, an organization that had never ran a live StarCraft 2 event, succeed at its goal of immediately placing itself among established international events, and furthermore elevate the standard for a competitive gaming event?

The answer appears at first – mixed.

The live audience was a letdown. During the first two days, they gave a very bleak first impression of the event. So few people were present in the gigantic Circus Maximus theater, that using the word “crowd” truly felt like a stretch. Missing the implications of the "must be 21 years of age or older and available on a Thursday morning” requirement seemed like quite the oversight from an organization that was seeking significant live attendance. Even though the turnout improved over the weekend, there were still many available seats in theater, making the tiered seating policy largely pointless.

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It got better, but this was a typical mid-day crowd during the first two days.
photo by R1CH

IPL’s idea of combining the excitement of e-Sports and the glitz of casinos may have been mistake. As poor student, being encouraged to gamble or partake in the many luxuries of Caesar’s Palace to pass the time between games was just as awkward as the “VISINE FIGHTING” shout-outs. Perhaps it was because I personally was only attending for the games, but the focus on the competition would sometimes feel diluted by the inescapable casino setting. Unlike other competitive gaming events, you were not surrounded by like minded fans wherever you went, or even just good old fashioned geeks. You were trapped in a labyrinth of slot machines and cigarette smelling carpets, and it was possible to go days without seeing daylight. Though IPL managed to get the games shown on the various TV screens throughout Caesar's Palace, it's doubtful that any of the regular casino-goers ever cared.

Another criticism about the choice of venue was the long distances between the two primary stages of the tournament. The games were actually split between two separate casinos, with a good ten minutes or more of walking distance between them. Some individuals opted to simply watch the Caesar's Palace stream from qualifier area at Bally's. Though it was a clever solution, it ultimately defeated the purpose of coming to a live event. If IPL had the same bounty of games, panels, and events in a standard convention center, everything would have felt much more organic. Whatever benefits IPL gained from the casino setting (and I am guessing some are significant, though not obvious to the ordinary fan), I feel that changing the venue to allow a wider audience to participate in the IPL experience would be worth it.

For all the qualms about the venue, the experience while actually watching the games on the main stage at Circus Maximus was stellar. IPL's booths provided some of the best player visibility of any live tournament so far, and the dual 'first-person' (they had planned these to be true first person, but were unable to implement it in time for this event) views made the games so much more enjoyable to watch. Even little details such as changing the lighting scheme during a huge engagement managed to add distinction to what could have been a very cut and dry stage performance.

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WaxAngel actually laughed the first time they put on the red lights.
photo by R1CH

And while there were annoying details about the event, there were nice little touches at the venue as well. Technical difficulties aside, there were always games to be found, and when one needed to scratch their own gaming itch, multiple demo booths from AMD, Playhem, and Samsung provided a useful distraction. Also, the complementary daily happy hours were very well received.

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It would have been wrong not to mention the free bar.
photo by Kaila

Another positive factor fans may have overlooked was the player experience. From a staff member's point of view, IPL may have best distinguished itself from other events with its lavish treatment of players, while still providing regular fan-player interactions. Progamers were allowed to retreat to an exclusive player lounge to practice and relax, or practice freely in the open tournament area among amateur competitors and spectators. This proved to be an elegant remedy to the problem of balancing player-fan interactions with player accommodation, as players could modify their own public availability by moving to a nearly player lounge.

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Diamond on call next to MC. His job all weekend, literally, was to camp out players, bus them from location to location, and take care of whatever they needed. Just part of the IPL VIP treatment.
photo by R1CH

The player-fan interactions were surprisingly intimate for such a high profile event. Though it was partially an unexpected benefit of the relatively low turnout, the layout of the qualifier area provided much more walking and breathing room compared to say, the Open Bracket areas of MLG. Fans were able to comfortably watch their favorite players without causing too much disturbance, and could easily strike up conversations or ask for autographs from players who had chosen to hang out in the public areas.

One event that captured this atmosphere very well. During the Saturday downtime, progamers such as Haypro, Ret, Demuslim, IdrA, and Puma passed the time by playing card games with their fans. It seemed that players were much more relaxed knowing that they could escape the crowd if they so chose to.

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Starcraft II progamers aren't necessarily good at other games.
photo by R1CH

Also, while I wasn't as reliant on the streaming experience as those watching from home, it’s safe to say that IPL managed to deliver on the hype surrounding its streaming and production quality. Six streams delivered non-stop competitive gaming sustenance, while the presentation took a big step toward having production value that rivals the intensity of the vaunted OSL/MSL. Little details such as the audio of a player’s rapid keyboard presses added a legitimate “oh snap” factor to the show, and high quality in-booth shots of the players showed us new ways to enhance presentation.

Despite my nitpicks about the venue, I would argue that IPL3 was a success. Ultimately, tournaments are at the whim of game quality, and the games ended up being wonderful. The crowd (when they finally got there) was electrifying, and the live event-only experiences were just as good as at any other. IPL3 lived up to the hype, and proved that IPL can indeed compete with the best live events, and many could argue that it provided the best total package to date. As long as they retain their amazing staff (my hat is off to all of you) and ambitious drive going forward, we should see only improvement.



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AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
October 20 2011 05:40 GMT
#2
Freakin awesome write-up Wax.

I absolutely loved this IPL. I had only heard of Stephano a couple of times and I knew people loved him but I never really had an opinion of him. For me, he absolutely came out of nowhere and within the first 10 minutes of watching him, I thought "holy shit this guy is legit and a bit". So awesome!

And best of all for me at IPL was the player panel interviews they did. That shit was boss.
Oh no
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
October 20 2011 05:41 GMT
#3
That last picture of Hayder... LOL
I'm an old man now
vitonga
Profile Joined February 2011
United States45 Posts
October 20 2011 05:43 GMT
#4
great write up.
SC2 and TL fighting!
"...but korean imba"-MC
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
October 20 2011 05:45 GMT
#5
Loser's Lament is seriously one my favorite SC2 articles to date...and I'm not just sucking up to Wax! (this time)
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
October 20 2011 05:46 GMT
#6
great write up. excellently done.
Acidosis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States172 Posts
October 20 2011 05:47 GMT
#7
I feel bad for lucky =(
“The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win.” -BK
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
October 20 2011 05:48 GMT
#8
Awesome writeup.
wichenks
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada153 Posts
October 20 2011 05:50 GMT
#9
Waxangel:

You make the best threads in the history of the internet. All of them are an absolute delight to read, and more often then not make me laugh in the middle of class/home/wherever.
Sometimes Artosis and I like to have Hot 6ix with each other - Tasteless
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
October 20 2011 05:53 GMT
#10
Agree to all of the points.
Stephano is good all around plus a unique player in his own style.
Lucky's style was pretty much low-risk, high reward strategies. I don't know if koreans players consider fan base as much as the foreigners. Some, obvi MC and MKP, recognize the importance of audience in their career, but still we see that korea seem to be isolated as some of them got shipped over :S
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
October 20 2011 05:53 GMT
#11
Good write-up, but nothing about Lani saving E-sports... Really?

haha, but seriously good job like always. I'm surprised there are no translator plugs since you are one of them.
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
October 20 2011 05:54 GMT
#12
Oh Haypro

your face is so funny

:3
Jaedong plz
harhar!
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany190 Posts
October 20 2011 06:01 GMT
#13
the text under haypro should have been:

Starcraft II progamers aren't necessarily good at Starcraft II.

User was banned for this post.
iS.zemotion
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States246 Posts
October 20 2011 06:04 GMT
#14
hayderrrr i love youuuu
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hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2195 Posts
October 20 2011 06:05 GMT
#15
Great write-up. Glad you brought up the potentially growing problem of SC2 tournaments no longer being about winning, but... performance o.o? A different kind of performance than simply skill, at any rate.
Zerg | life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery | www.cstarleague.com <3
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 20 2011 06:09 GMT
#16
Shit I tried so hard to avoid the cameras all weekend and R1CH got me !

Cool write up, IPL was mad fun and I had such a good time, the games were amazing, and Stephano kicked ass! So glad I went ^^!
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
October 20 2011 06:11 GMT
#17
Lucky got almost NO credit for his incredible run. FXO had faith to send a B-teamer to the US and he slayed nerds left and right. Mad props to him.
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
October 20 2011 06:11 GMT
#18
lol contemplates his contract
Artosis: Yeah I was gonna probe rush but someone did that yesterday
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
October 20 2011 06:12 GMT
#19
On October 20 2011 15:11 Ruscour wrote:
Lucky got almost NO credit for his incredible run. FXO had faith to send a B-teamer to the US and he slayed nerds left and right. Mad props to him.


not a b-teamer, he does quite well internally from what I hear, and proved it by making it to the up-downs of GSL this season
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
October 20 2011 06:15 GMT
#20
Awesome write up Wax. underdogs making their names in big events is the best thing for the development of esport.
Z: SEn P: White-Ra T: Polt
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
October 20 2011 06:16 GMT
#21
I love the way that IPL knew how to treat the players. I'm sure it really made them feel more at ease, and able to perform better. I have a feeling that they're going to fix the little things for next year, and it's going to be awesome. (maybe not quite MLG awesome, but I'm thinking very close.)

I'm so jealous of anyone who got to play cards with IdrA. >.<
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
October 20 2011 06:25 GMT
#22
Awesome write up. IPL3 has certainly lived up to its hype, despite the technical difficulties it suffered early on (who would have guessed that a truck would ruin E-sports?). I am absolutely stoked for IPL4.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
October 20 2011 06:27 GMT
#23
Someone seems to have activated Haypro's trap card.

nice writeup!
first we make expand, then we defense it.
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 06:36:11
October 20 2011 06:29 GMT
#24
The production, players, games and content was great and matched or surpassed MLG in some ways. Lani and the beast crew were awesome to watch during downtime. The lack of crowd was kind of disappointing as MLG's big loud crowds really add flavor and hype to the event. Hopefully next ipl is not 21+.

I agree that the booths and some of the player shots were nice but... definitely not all of them. Often they would cut to the player for too long in the middle of fights. Also, this will sound like a weird critique but sometimes they would zooom in really close with bright/harsh lighting and HD quality picture on player's faces/skin, which wasn't always that pleasant to stare at. Not trying to hate or be shallow or anything but gamers don't always have the best skin or prettiest faces, myself included, just seemed a bit awkward really zooming in close on their faces with such bright lighting and leaving it there for extended periods of time.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 20 2011 06:30 GMT
#25
Haypro so happy! Thanks for the write up.
Lucky fully deserved to be in the finals, the other Korean cannons should have played better.
I had a good night of sleep.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 20 2011 06:30 GMT
#26
Someone should introduce Haypro to Hiya

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EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
October 20 2011 06:30 GMT
#27
Hayder :DD
Dear Sixsmith...
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
October 20 2011 06:38 GMT
#28
I'm actually a big fan of Lucky, especially from the GSL--his IPL run was incredible to say the least!

Is there some way we can email him or contact him via twitter that we know of?

Also, incredible article, Wax!!!
♥
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 20 2011 06:52 GMT
#29
Good for haypro, well played :3
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Dirtysocks
Profile Joined August 2011
Czech Republic68 Posts
October 20 2011 06:54 GMT
#30
I feel for lucky, same as I do for StC. After IPL and now MLG there was no single thread about him. He went though open bracket, 5-0 his group, killed bomber and lost to Huk and MC. His play was so smart, yet no recognition.
Lesser
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada33 Posts
October 20 2011 06:55 GMT
#31
A lot of typos.
"I just know that if I would be casting with him, I wouldn't say anything. I would just want to listen to the music of this voice." -Grubby on NightEnD's casting
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 20 2011 07:00 GMT
#32
No mention of the TeamLiquid Mafia games?

Also, a picture that was left out from our early morning GSTL Viewing Party with Mr. Chae:

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WaxAngel lets us know what he truly thinks about balance, sign courtesy of yours truly
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
goaga
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania36 Posts
October 20 2011 07:00 GMT
#33
I loved the streamed IPL. It was the best tournament stream . Short breaks, content in between games, in day 1 I watched for 3 hours without getting up the chair Very nice job IGN, I like your work a lot.
iNViCiOUZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany364 Posts
October 20 2011 07:04 GMT
#34
Never then less, IPL was way better then any other tournament outside Korea. Especially the production and the camera men did a great job. Just compare the player cams from IPL (great crisp full HD) and MLG (240p cams lets player look like tank drivers)

Soo hyped for their next tournaments!
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10704 Posts
October 20 2011 07:06 GMT
#35
Am I the only one that is missing stuff about the actual tourney/games in this newspost?

It's really good for what it is, i just feel like the actually important stuff is missing?
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
October 20 2011 07:32 GMT
#36
On October 20 2011 16:06 Velr wrote:
Am I the only one that is missing stuff about the actual tourney/games in this newspost?

It's really good for what it is, i just feel like the actually important stuff is missing?


Perhaps the overloading amount of content that needs to be covered recently (IPL, MLG, IEM and now Blizzcon/GSL finals) left the actual game analysis out, stretching their writers thin. I recall the finals being pretty anti-climatic.
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa975 Posts
October 20 2011 07:37 GMT
#37
Thanks Wax for the Write-Up...appreciate your view on the Lucky-Situation! Hopefully this will change in the future...
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
October 20 2011 07:42 GMT
#38
On October 20 2011 16:00 VirgilSC2 wrote:
No mention of the TeamLiquid Mafia games?

Also, a picture that was left out from our early morning GSTL Viewing Party with Mr. Chae:

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nt-rAven
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 07:45:44
October 20 2011 07:43 GMT
#39
well done stephano is beast
get owned
Gurofo
Profile Joined October 2010
Chile10 Posts
October 20 2011 07:46 GMT
#40
nice write-up... i hope stephano keep practice and doing well!!
Ciraxis
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia400 Posts
October 20 2011 07:55 GMT
#41
IPL3 was great and so happy to see Stephano win. Great review TL!
ProxyResearch
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Poland16 Posts
October 20 2011 08:02 GMT
#42
Very good article, especially the part about Lucky. Thank you for your work sir.
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mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
October 20 2011 08:06 GMT
#43
Awesome writeup on Stephano's play especially! TL recaps never disappoint!
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ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 08:10:13
October 20 2011 08:07 GMT
#44
Great read and coverage as always Wax, thank u for providing us with this type of content! U make e-sports a little bit better with each article u add xD
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kanadiasteve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States313 Posts
October 20 2011 08:19 GMT
#45
Weird that at a 21+ event, you were still carded at concessions and could only buy a round of beers if you had the same number of ID's on your person. That's my only complaint as an audience spectator! About not enjoying the theater's surroundings... well, that's Atlantic City for ya.

Literally had to avoid a stabbing at the nearby Hooters, but I suppose that's unrelated
"I wonder what this game would be like if Protoss units cost money" - IdrA
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
October 20 2011 08:28 GMT
#46
Well Seems like it was a fantastic event!!! Well played both Lucky and Stephano!!!
Live and Let Die!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 20 2011 08:37 GMT
#47
nice writeup and an amazing event <3
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 08:43:43
October 20 2011 08:42 GMT
#48
Wow I didn't know they changed the lighting for battles that seems kick-ass. If nothing else IPL is certainly ambitious, maybe the surrounding of the venue didn't quite fit the tournament but the stagecraft and choice to go for a venue with theater seating certainly seems like the right one going forward. And the lighting on the players seem gorgeous I really wish we'd got more high quality photos coming from the venue.
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
October 20 2011 08:46 GMT
#49
Nice writeup, must have been great there. Btw i thought a real gamer is also good in cardgames
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
October 20 2011 08:51 GMT
#50
Good writeup, I enjoyed all the articles, but Wax's one on Lucky really struck a chord. Maybe it's the difference in culture, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one who let TheSTC's apology go right past me. At the time I thought he just knew IdrA is a popular player, but after reading the article I'm not so sure.

In the future I think every player at a live event should be made to feel welcome and wanted. Cheer for both players and just cheer loudest for your favourite. A lot of ESPORTS fans are used to other spectator sports, where you cheer for your team and boo the other and some translate that over into SC2, one example being DRG at Dreamhack. In that case it probably didn't affect DRG too much, because he knows he's popular, but I don't think that crowd would have differentiated between DRG and Lucky.

We need at least 2 players to give us a great game or storyline, so they all deserve support for helping provide the entertainment.
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
October 20 2011 08:59 GMT
#51
Nice article. That last picture is good
Liquipedia
Order
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Lithuania231 Posts
October 20 2011 09:08 GMT
#52
This article seems to agree with my point:

Going to IPL < Going to other events
Watching IPL at home > Watching other events
Common Sense - so rare that it's a super power
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
October 20 2011 09:29 GMT
#53
It was a really nice read, thank you.
Stephano with his play made me watch him just because of the way he plays, though I don't need to learn something from him or anything, I don't play myself, but his play is just so damn impressive.
Shame on us for not cheering on Lucky. But he god some $, which is good.
And yeah, Hayder's photo is just amuzing.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 20 2011 09:56 GMT
#54
Nice write up. I'll freely admit, I missed the IPL streams, but something you mentioned caught my eye. Entertaining play, rather than winning, does seem to be important. Best of all (of course) is entertaining winning, but when I read that I thought about some of the matches I saw in Orlando at MLG. In particular, the crowd seemed to really enjoy MarineKing's whimsical play and Huk's probe hearts. And the Huk vs MC 4-gate dueling got some good reaction. (Of course, as always Huk's chat with his opponent was well received in the live venue.)
I think the entertainment value of matches, and the showmanship of presenting matches, will be important to the success of esports as spectator events. But the underlying truth (to me) is that eSports should not go the path of professional wrestling (entertainment) over true competition (aka, football (both kinds), baseball, cricket, etc). There are dull matchups in all competitions, but they help to make the amazing games really stand out.
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WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
October 20 2011 10:32 GMT
#55
Interesting about Lucky and how the other Korean guys treated him, he just manhandled them completely all weekend. Wax hit the nail on the head, he deserved all the success at the end of the tournament.

Lucky fighting!!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 20 2011 11:01 GMT
#56
The part about Lucky is so sad. :s
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 11:30:39
October 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#57
Eh, I have to say that the article about Lucky is way off the mark. First of, I'm not sure what the point is in sugarcoating a player's performance so much. To say that there wasn't anything lucky about his run is simply factually incorrect.

Secondly, It really has nothing to do with personalities, entertainment and star power factor. Plenty of unknown and unpopular players have made deep tournament runs and earned instant admiration and respect of the audience because of how impressive they've played.

Even at IPL3 alone, there is a reason why Inori was better "received" by fans than Lucky. His run was nowhere as deep, but he absolutely dominated HuK and MC by sticking to a macro based PvP style every single game. He took out two of the best and most popular Protoss players in the world that everyone wanted to progress in the tournament, yet I'd say there were fewer negative comments about him than about Lucky and he gained quite a few fans for the play he showed.

"I want to show good games" is probably the most common sentence heard in Korean players' interviews. It's not so much because they want to be entertainers and become popular that way. It's because they're aware that being dominant and having clear displays of skill and superiority is what makes a difference between a champion that everyone will remember and a fluke winner that people will either resent or forget about (probably both). This is especially the case in SC2, which still has far too much volatility in gameplay and variance in results.

Oh by the way, when he said that he didn't do well in Brood War because he was unlucky... that's just asking for it.

Speaking of BW, in recent OSL, how many people wanted Soo to beat JangBi, or even how many were happy about him beating Killer? Very, very few. I was one of them, and even that was all T1 bias and wanting a compensation for losing SPL than anything related to Soo specifically. It's nothing new and nothing unnatural. A lot of people can be winners, but not everyone can be a recognized champion.
Shuray
Profile Joined July 2008
Brazil642 Posts
October 20 2011 11:36 GMT
#58
Damn, that must suck when almost no one is cheering for you, I'm glad that Lucky showed us that he can do very well among the star players. I specificaly really like when underdogs like him and Stephano wins tournaments like this, I enjoy that suprise factor in it.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
October 20 2011 11:55 GMT
#59
Poor Lucky. Sure, he might not have the mechanics that a player like MMA does, but he sure proved that he had some good notions of strategy- knowing MMA's style he clearly picked that roach build. Whats astonishing is that MMA did something weak against roaches and Lucky, wisely, punished it every time. Why not? He must not of known much about Stephano though, xD

Great write up. I really enjoyed IPL. From a viewer perspective it was the best event I had seen, but I think MLG topped them right after. But come on, MLG has SO much experience. If you compare the first live MLG to the first live IPL...they did a wonderful job. Hopefully they just plan a more central/accessible venue for the next one. Though it doesn't really encourage live views, I think that starting a tournament on thursday is a good idea and works well overall, and MLG could learn something from it if only to make the Open bracket less horrible.
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BirdKiller
Profile Joined January 2011
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 12:09:20
October 20 2011 12:07 GMT
#60
Commenting on the 3rd article, it felt like this tournament was catered toward the 30+ year old types with solid jobs who can afford to stay in the Hotel / Casino for a few days and play some slots during downtime, unlike for the 18+ year old types who maybe can't spend more than $50 for an event each day. Overall, the tournament seemed very sophisticated for those who never followed SC2 / E-sports, but not so for those who are familiar to the scene.

I still believe MLG > IPL for right now, but I'm now a fan/follower of IPL and hope it continues to improve. In fact, I hope IPL overtakes MLG considering that the former has solid financial backing from IGN and therefore have huge potential to become THE SC2 live tournament in United States.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
October 20 2011 12:54 GMT
#61
On October 20 2011 20:23 Talin wrote:
Eh, I have to say that the article about Lucky is way off the mark. First of, I'm not sure what the point is in sugarcoating a player's performance so much. To say that there wasn't anything lucky about his run is simply factually incorrect.

Secondly, It really has nothing to do with personalities, entertainment and star power factor. Plenty of unknown and unpopular players have made deep tournament runs and earned instant admiration and respect of the audience because of how impressive they've played.

Even at IPL3 alone, there is a reason why Inori was better "received" by fans than Lucky. His run was nowhere as deep, but he absolutely dominated HuK and MC by sticking to a macro based PvP style every single game. He took out two of the best and most popular Protoss players in the world that everyone wanted to progress in the tournament, yet I'd say there were fewer negative comments about him than about Lucky and he gained quite a few fans for the play he showed.

This is really ironic. SlayerS Terrans built their fame and notoriety for their economy-devastating abusive TvZ strategies. We seem to have a very short memory if we've already forgiven MMA for his endgame plan of endless marine drops off of two bases, with one marine/tank push up the gut from MLG Columbus or the whole team for hellion/marine/medivac style that utterly dominated MLG Anaheim.

If Lucky hard-counters their strategy, and they keep trying it, shouldn't we be willing to praise him for being smarter than his opponents? Of course it's fine to have a favorite team, but in a situation like this, any ill-feeling against Lucky should be recognized as stemming solely from the fact that he beat a favorite player, not that his strategies were lesser.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 13:21:09
October 20 2011 13:00 GMT
#62
On October 20 2011 21:54 Wren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 20:23 Talin wrote:
Eh, I have to say that the article about Lucky is way off the mark. First of, I'm not sure what the point is in sugarcoating a player's performance so much. To say that there wasn't anything lucky about his run is simply factually incorrect.

Secondly, It really has nothing to do with personalities, entertainment and star power factor. Plenty of unknown and unpopular players have made deep tournament runs and earned instant admiration and respect of the audience because of how impressive they've played.

Even at IPL3 alone, there is a reason why Inori was better "received" by fans than Lucky. His run was nowhere as deep, but he absolutely dominated HuK and MC by sticking to a macro based PvP style every single game. He took out two of the best and most popular Protoss players in the world that everyone wanted to progress in the tournament, yet I'd say there were fewer negative comments about him than about Lucky and he gained quite a few fans for the play he showed.


This is really ironic. SlayerS Terrans built their fame and notoriety for their economy-devastating abusive TvZ strategies. We seem to have a very short memory if we've already forgiven MMA for his endgame plan of endless marine drops off of two bases, with one marine/tank push up the gut from MLG Columbus or the whole team for hellion/marine/medivac style that utterly dominated MLG Anaheim.


What MMA did requires intense multitasking and late game mechanics that not a lot of Terrans right now can do as well even if they try. What's there to forgive? His display of skill was apparent - hence people fell in love with him very early into his career (even when he was just an upstart GSTL Terran with no notable fame or success).

Equivalent to Baneling bombs and straightforward BO wins? Not really.

On October 20 2011 21:54 Wren wrote:
If Lucky hard-counters their strategy, and they keep trying it, shouldn't we be willing to praise him for being smarter than his opponents? Of course it's fine to have a favorite team, but in a situation like this, any ill-feeling against Lucky should be recognized as stemming solely from the fact that he beat a favorite player, not that his strategies were lesser.


I'm willing to give him praise for being smarter than his opponents. I just don't think the quality of being "smarter" (in that specific sneaky/tricky sense of being smarter) is something that can translate to consistent success and produce dominant and skillful play that is expected of high ranking players.

Inori was also smart, but he was also radiating confidence and showed extremely good unit control to take out MC and Huk, winning with strategies that were considered inferior in PvP since forever against top PvPers in the world. His victories had some weight, and they were rewarded by praise.
Pawn_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17 Posts
October 20 2011 13:01 GMT
#63
I disagree with the criticism of the event being held in a casino. 4 straight days of Starcraft is too much-- crammed in a convention center with nothing else to do would have been terrible. Staying in a hotel/casino where you can go up to your room to take a break, go gamble and grab food, or stop by the bar for a drink was perfect to break up the monotony of watching an entire Starcraft tournament.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
October 20 2011 13:19 GMT
#64
On October 20 2011 22:00 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 21:54 Wren wrote:
On October 20 2011 20:23 Talin wrote:
Eh, I have to say that the article about Lucky is way off the mark. First of, I'm not sure what the point is in sugarcoating a player's performance so much. To say that there wasn't anything lucky about his run is simply factually incorrect.

Secondly, It really has nothing to do with personalities, entertainment and star power factor. Plenty of unknown and unpopular players have made deep tournament runs and earned instant admiration and respect of the audience because of how impressive they've played.

Even at IPL3 alone, there is a reason why Inori was better "received" by fans than Lucky. His run was nowhere as deep, but he absolutely dominated HuK and MC by sticking to a macro based PvP style every single game. He took out two of the best and most popular Protoss players in the world that everyone wanted to progress in the tournament, yet I'd say there were fewer negative comments about him than about Lucky and he gained quite a few fans for the play he showed.


This is really ironic. SlayerS Terrans built their fame and notoriety for their economy-devastating abusive TvZ strategies. We seem to have a very short memory if we've already forgiven MMA for his endgame plan of endless marine drops off of two bases, with one marine/tank push up the gut from MLG Columbus or the whole team for hellion/marine/medivac style that utterly dominated MLG Anaheim.


What MMA did requires intense multitasking and late game mechanics that not a lot of Terrans right now can do as well even if they try. What's there to forgive? His display of skill was apparent - hence people fell in love with him very early into his career (even when he was just an upstart GSTL Terran with no notable fame or success).

Equivalent to Baneling bombs and straightforward BO wins? Not really.

The drop play was impressive, absolutely. The same defense does not apply to the Anaheim strategy.

However, we're still talking about bashing a guy for using the SlayerS Terran mindset against SlayerS Terrans, namely beating a strategy by making the game shorter. The roach play Lucky used in almost every game is like a bunker rush, it only kills you if you're playing unsafely.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 13:36:13
October 20 2011 13:23 GMT
#65
On October 20 2011 22:19 Wren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:00 Talin wrote:
On October 20 2011 21:54 Wren wrote:
On October 20 2011 20:23 Talin wrote:
Eh, I have to say that the article about Lucky is way off the mark. First of, I'm not sure what the point is in sugarcoating a player's performance so much. To say that there wasn't anything lucky about his run is simply factually incorrect.

Secondly, It really has nothing to do with personalities, entertainment and star power factor. Plenty of unknown and unpopular players have made deep tournament runs and earned instant admiration and respect of the audience because of how impressive they've played.

Even at IPL3 alone, there is a reason why Inori was better "received" by fans than Lucky. His run was nowhere as deep, but he absolutely dominated HuK and MC by sticking to a macro based PvP style every single game. He took out two of the best and most popular Protoss players in the world that everyone wanted to progress in the tournament, yet I'd say there were fewer negative comments about him than about Lucky and he gained quite a few fans for the play he showed.


This is really ironic. SlayerS Terrans built their fame and notoriety for their economy-devastating abusive TvZ strategies. We seem to have a very short memory if we've already forgiven MMA for his endgame plan of endless marine drops off of two bases, with one marine/tank push up the gut from MLG Columbus or the whole team for hellion/marine/medivac style that utterly dominated MLG Anaheim.


What MMA did requires intense multitasking and late game mechanics that not a lot of Terrans right now can do as well even if they try. What's there to forgive? His display of skill was apparent - hence people fell in love with him very early into his career (even when he was just an upstart GSTL Terran with no notable fame or success).

Equivalent to Baneling bombs and straightforward BO wins? Not really.

The drop play was impressive, absolutely. The same defense does not apply to the Anaheim strategy.

However, we're still talking about bashing a guy for using the SlayerS Terran mindset against SlayerS Terrans, namely beating a strategy by making the game shorter. The roach play Lucky used in almost every game is like a bunker rush, it only kills you if you're playing unsafely.


You're right for that specific case, but Anaheim isn't the only thing MMA has to show for himself. In Lucky's case... well, IPL is pretty much it. His Code S run today ended as expected, and I can't see him making any bubbles in the future either.

Besides, he isn't being "bashed". Nobody is saying he did anything wrong or whatever. People just aren't impressed enough to actively cheer for him, which makes perfect sense imo. Obviously if a player has a way to win, he will take it. However, to get people to really appreciate you as a player, you need to go an extra mile and show high quality games and high level mechanics.

I was personally more impresed by FruitDealer's IEM run, even though he used some of the wackiest builds imaginable, but they were done in style and with confidence and brutal execution.
turnip
Profile Joined May 2010
United States193 Posts
October 20 2011 13:32 GMT
#66
Hey IGN, IPL3 was my favorite tournament so far. I wasn't able to go but I loved the games, appreciated the awesome production, and approve of the difficult-but-fair qualifiers. I believe this was the reason the games were so good.

Don't be discouraged by the relatively low live turnouts. Just don't have it in a casino next time. The audience intersections for casino-style hospitality and competitive SC2 seem small to me.
n00beLeT
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States16 Posts
October 20 2011 13:36 GMT
#67
As a spectator of the event. I spent most of the first two days in the open bracket area, as there were many great players in the open bracket. Since I was able to be much closer and communicate with many of the pros there I felt this was a good environment to be in rather than in Circus for the pool play since pool play was only for seeding. If pool play mattered as much as MLG did, then I likely would have been at Circus Maximus more. Do not get me wrong though, being in Circus Maximus during the weekend to watch the championship bracket was definitely an awesome experience. Considering it was a Thursday and the attendance, next time maybe you could have just had just open bracket games that day [equivalent Bally's broadcast area], and begin pool play the following day [IMO make sure it matters more].

I personally liked that the event was in a casino. I am biased since I am over 21, but it gave you the opportunity to do much more during off hours. There were many places to eat in the casino and boardwalk. Also, the 24 hour bar in Caesars was great. I was able to meet many pros and personalities there and they had some great specials. IPL and sponsors treated everyone great as well; may I remind you that Twitch TV party Sunday night where Twitch opened a ~ $3000+ tab so everyone can get drinks? Awesome.

And last but not least, to whoever played. TL Mafia! I remember you coming in a few times on Friday night Waxangel and was like "WTF are you guys doing". lol
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 20 2011 13:37 GMT
#68
As far as I can tell, IPL3 was amazing in most ways except for the enormous blunder of holding it in a casino, which seem to be the cause of most of the gripes.

IPL have an extremely strong record of delivering on stuff, so I can only imagine IPL4 to be mindblowing :>
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
October 20 2011 13:49 GMT
#69
Excellent write up as always, guys! I especially love the Stephano reference in the title. Hopefully next time, IPL won't be limited by the choice of venue.
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Order
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Lithuania231 Posts
October 20 2011 13:59 GMT
#70
On October 20 2011 22:37 marvellosity wrote:
As far as I can tell, IPL3 was amazing in most ways except for the enormous blunder of holding it in a casino, which seem to be the cause of most of the gripes.

IPL have an extremely strong record of delivering on stuff, so I can only imagine IPL4 to be mindblowing :>


YEA! There's so little for IPL to make better that I am almost sure they will listen to all of this.
Common Sense - so rare that it's a super power
TheUnderking
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada202 Posts
October 20 2011 14:08 GMT
#71
I've got to agree with most of the comments. IPL did a great job. This article was great as well, except for not mentioning Lani and the Beast Crew!
THE PACT IS SEALED!
venom0us
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60 Posts
October 20 2011 14:11 GMT
#72
My review of IPL3

So I went down there extremely excited with 2 other friends and for some reason we decided to stay at Harrah's instead of Caesar's/Ballys. We left Saturday morning and got there around 12:30, 1pm. We went straight to the theater after wandering around aimlessly for about 30 to 45 minutes trying to follow the signs on the ground to the theater. When we finally found it we found out that my printed tickets needed to be exchanged for physical passes, so they sent us to Bally's. We get there and realize that we were at the wrong table. We get our swag bag and then finally find our way to the 6th floor of Bally's and we get our passes. We rush back down to the theater and when we got in we were kind of surprised of the turnout, the auditorium was pretty filled at the front part of the theater but the back end was very sparsely populated. We sat down and watched some games and then we went back to Harrah's to check in etc... We go back to Caesars and watch the rest of Saturday's games and I must admit people were playing ruthlessly, KiWiKaKi's game vs. Stephano was utterly insane and had the whole crowd giving him a standing ovation. I must say that the production value of the event was top notch. We go back to Harrah's to start gambling and i lose $100 in blackjack almost instantly. We then played a poker tourney which I lost pretty early, went to play more blackjack and won 10 bucks, then went to go play at the poker tables. Was up 100 bucks but lost it all at 5am. Went to sleep then woke up the next day and checked out. Then we went back to Caesars and watched the rest of Sunday's games. We were able to move to the front section with ease. We had silver passes but no one said anything to us. We watched the rest of the day but left early to get home to NYC in time for the finals.

All in all, aside from losing all my money gambling, I had a great time. I got to meet a few pro players and talk to them for a little bit which was cool and got a bunch of free stuff from IGN. The venue was a great choice i think, but there would have definitely been a bigger turnout if there was no 21+ age restriction. As I said before the production quality was superb. Hoping for more events at AC! Thanks IGN for an awesome weekend!
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 20 2011 14:26 GMT
#73
I think the turnout was pretty huge considering over 21 + weekday. You can guarantee that it definately raised the eyebrows of many potential investors/sponsors. Stream numbers were also pretty huge getting over 100k concurrent and maybe even up to 140.
monkeycid
Profile Joined May 2006
Sweden44 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 14:38:35
October 20 2011 14:37 GMT
#74
Excellent writeups. I always look forward to reading these after an event; they always add some nice perspective. Well done.
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TurbineBlade
Profile Joined July 2011
United States117 Posts
October 20 2011 14:48 GMT
#75
The part about Lucky was really sad, mostly because its true..I am happier rooting for the underdog I'm sure other people feel the same way.
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LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 15:19:46
October 20 2011 15:18 GMT
#76
Excellent Write-up now I feel bad for Lucky, reading that made me kind of sad but its the Industry. ESports is certainly a Business and stuff like that comes with that.

Still IPL3 for me was a Great Experience on the Streams.
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
NyxRose
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States105 Posts
October 20 2011 15:33 GMT
#77
Amazing, amazing write-up.
Adventurekid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden505 Posts
October 20 2011 15:36 GMT
#78
Thanks for the writeup! :D!
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Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 16:03:21
October 20 2011 16:03 GMT
#79
On October 20 2011 22:23 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:19 Wren wrote:
On October 20 2011 22:00 Talin wrote:
On October 20 2011 21:54 Wren wrote:
On October 20 2011 20:23 Talin wrote:
Eh, I have to say that the article about Lucky is way off the mark. First of, I'm not sure what the point is in sugarcoating a player's performance so much. To say that there wasn't anything lucky about his run is simply factually incorrect.

Secondly, It really has nothing to do with personalities, entertainment and star power factor. Plenty of unknown and unpopular players have made deep tournament runs and earned instant admiration and respect of the audience because of how impressive they've played.

Even at IPL3 alone, there is a reason why Inori was better "received" by fans than Lucky. His run was nowhere as deep, but he absolutely dominated HuK and MC by sticking to a macro based PvP style every single game. He took out two of the best and most popular Protoss players in the world that everyone wanted to progress in the tournament, yet I'd say there were fewer negative comments about him than about Lucky and he gained quite a few fans for the play he showed.


This is really ironic. SlayerS Terrans built their fame and notoriety for their economy-devastating abusive TvZ strategies. We seem to have a very short memory if we've already forgiven MMA for his endgame plan of endless marine drops off of two bases, with one marine/tank push up the gut from MLG Columbus or the whole team for hellion/marine/medivac style that utterly dominated MLG Anaheim.


What MMA did requires intense multitasking and late game mechanics that not a lot of Terrans right now can do as well even if they try. What's there to forgive? His display of skill was apparent - hence people fell in love with him very early into his career (even when he was just an upstart GSTL Terran with no notable fame or success).

Equivalent to Baneling bombs and straightforward BO wins? Not really.

The drop play was impressive, absolutely. The same defense does not apply to the Anaheim strategy.

However, we're still talking about bashing a guy for using the SlayerS Terran mindset against SlayerS Terrans, namely beating a strategy by making the game shorter. The roach play Lucky used in almost every game is like a bunker rush, it only kills you if you're playing unsafely.


You're right for that specific case, but Anaheim isn't the only thing MMA has to show for himself. In Lucky's case... well, IPL is pretty much it. His Code S run today ended as expected, and I can't see him making any bubbles in the future either.

Besides, he isn't being "bashed". Nobody is saying he did anything wrong or whatever. People just aren't impressed enough to actively cheer for him, which makes perfect sense imo. Obviously if a player has a way to win, he will take it. However, to get people to really appreciate you as a player, you need to go an extra mile and show high quality games and high level mechanics.

I was personally more impresed by FruitDealer's IEM run, even though he used some of the wackiest builds imaginable, but they were done in style and with confidence and brutal execution.

An opinion and reasoning that I can absolutely support!

My point is, primarily, that Lucky has nothing to apologize for. His play was smart and effective. We will see with time how clever and durable a player he is. Nobody's ever required to be someone's fan, but it pains me to hear that Lucky was embarrassed for beating the snot out of a lineup of popular players.
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price
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 16:08:46
October 20 2011 16:06 GMT
#80
nice article. i am glad the crowd issue was addressed because i was pretty disappointed at this, having gone to MLG columbus (which is a smaller event than IPL3 in a lot of ways) and being part of that very excited crowd.

i am assuming this means haypro is terrible at card games or that he is a shark and waxangel or shindigs is taking a cut
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aNDRoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States637 Posts
October 20 2011 16:12 GMT
#81
Great writeup. Waxangel, the link to Ulfsark's blog post kinda looks like a section header (albeit a small one) rather than a hyperlink. I missed it the first read-through and was expecting the link to be further down in the article or in a follow-up comment.
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n0btozz
Profile Joined January 2011
Iceland115 Posts
October 20 2011 16:13 GMT
#82
Nice article like all the ones from Wax, keep em coming :D
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StarMega
Profile Joined October 2011
United States34 Posts
October 20 2011 16:24 GMT
#83
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User was temp banned for this post.
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Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 16:32:45
October 20 2011 16:32 GMT
#84
Nice coverage man. Had no idea about the whole nasty casino vibe and dual stages 10 minutes apart while watching the stream. Sounds like from the live spectator perspective, things could have been much better (though from the guy sitting in his basement perspective, it was a thoroughly watchable tourney)
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
October 20 2011 16:49 GMT
#85
nice writeup
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
October 20 2011 17:35 GMT
#86
Great article. I watched it from home and it was very well done. As for the live venue experience, at least they tried it and obviously got some things right and some things wrong. It should only get better in the future.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
October 20 2011 17:49 GMT
#87
hahahaha haypro so cute
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keiraknightlee
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States301 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 19:03:59
October 20 2011 18:44 GMT
#88
Well written, nice to read, great work
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blamekilly
Profile Joined April 2011
466 Posts
October 20 2011 19:13 GMT
#89
Lucky had a good run but I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. He roach all-in and lucky banelinged his way to the finals. He couldn't all-in his way to victory against Stephano and that was the end for him. He was an inferior player who beat better players all the way to the finals. I don't think he should apologize or feel bad about it though. This reminds me of Rain 2raxing his way to the finals against zerg and getting crushed by Nestea. same thing here.
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 20 2011 20:11 GMT
#90
Pretty cool stuff, I have to agree that the 21 or older thing really pissed me off. Im only 19 : ( and wanted to go so bad!! It was kinda a shame that more people didnt showed up. Thanks for the write up kind sir. : )
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Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
October 20 2011 20:57 GMT
#91
Great write-up as usual. I wish Lucky had gotten more recognition, he played well.

Also, that picture of Haypro at the end is great.
Perfect
Profile Joined August 2010
United States322 Posts
October 20 2011 22:20 GMT
#92
Great read
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
October 20 2011 22:48 GMT
#93
Nice write-up guys!
kemosobie
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States19 Posts
October 20 2011 22:55 GMT
#94
IPL was incredible to watch from home, great write up
JusticeSC
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada18 Posts
October 20 2011 23:17 GMT
#95
Very nice writeup and good posts. I'm new to the Team Liquid forums and I have to say they are a breath of fresh air. There's a lot of positive and mature posts. I'll be coming back for more.

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aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
October 20 2011 23:22 GMT
#96
Cool write up but no mentioning the LoL finals? ... I thought this was IPL coverage, where is the damn esports support!
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DiamondTear
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 23:25:19
October 20 2011 23:24 GMT
#97
I thought the keyboard sounds were retarded. Not a big deal, but retarded still. It was similar to the visine ads but they weren't funny. There were other fails with sounds (explosions) as well. I wish events would put more effort into the sound quality overall (not in terms of bitrate, but normalization etc)
Seven11
Profile Joined August 2011
3 Posts
October 20 2011 23:56 GMT
#98


Huk has always been a crowd favorite, and we all Know MC and Huk are great friends.

Following waxangels, it makes me think... WHat do you guys think of MLG Olando?
GreyMasta
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada197 Posts
October 21 2011 00:33 GMT
#99
From a streaming spectator's pov it was clearly IPL3 > MLG. Hands down.
The production value of this show was insanely PRO.

Plus the tournament's format was much more exciting:
MLG definitely has to fix their loser bracket system and give us beefy climatic BO5 and BO7 final matches.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
October 21 2011 01:44 GMT
#100
Cool article! And I really loved the picture of Hayder playing cards <3
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Hayawatha
Profile Joined March 2011
10 Posts
October 21 2011 03:27 GMT
#101
Ryan from Playhem here --

Glad you all enjoyed our open bar as much as we did! Cheers to everyone I met, and see you at IPL 4.
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
October 21 2011 14:13 GMT
#102
Well written articles as usual but especially the Loser's Lament. I appreciated Lucky's run and always love good play even if its a name Ive not heard much of. Of course I cheer for my favorites but I never get mad or turned off from an event because some random nerd managed crush my hopes of a White-ra finals. Still I think you bring up interesting points and I hope Lucky didn't feel bad for his run, I enjoyed his games even as I was pulling a typical GSL face when stuff like this happens of "who is this kid thats so good?"

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Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
October 21 2011 15:06 GMT
#103
Loved the write up, thought it was a little bit unfortunate that you didn't mention Stephano's incredibly early upgrades where he will upgrade to hive tech much earlier then pretty much all zergs only to get 3-3 cracklings before terrans hit 3-3 marines. Other then that I thought you were spot on with Stephano's play.

Also I don't think Stephano's win does in anyway disprove the importance of going to Korea or putting in solid 8+ hours a day, its simply a statement to just how good Stephano could become. Personally I believe Stephano to be of equal talent as Mvp and above that of Nestea. That doesn't mean I am saying his is better then Nestea right now but simply talking about potential. When Stephano is at his most brilliant it really just feels like I'm watching Mvp play zerg.
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
October 21 2011 15:08 GMT
#104
As for IPL3 it is still my favorite sc2 tournament even after the latest MLG, MLG has A LOT of catching up to do.
LXR
Profile Joined June 2011
357 Posts
October 21 2011 16:44 GMT
#105
Great recap! I wonder if anyone viewed lucky and stephano on the same plane because they were both relatively uknown.
starstorm
Profile Joined March 2011
64 Posts
October 21 2011 22:13 GMT
#106
Feel sorry for Lucky and TheStC. Nobody deserves to be shamed for winning games. That's the sort of attitude that will actually hurt esports.
Phokus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States31 Posts
October 22 2011 02:01 GMT
#107
Great write up! However, I disagree on the venue issues. I had work friday/sat so i got down there Sat night. Cir Max was an amazing venue! i watched mlg orlando a week later and saw all the terrible seating and lighting and was like "damn, so glad IPL3 was my first event". The whole " not everyone around is a nerd " is a terrible comment. That was the whole point of an AC venue. To bring other people into a sport! Mix with people outside your kind. I can not tell you how many people stopped and asked me "whats with all the lanyards (sp?)" and went on to having double digit minute convos with them about sc2. No you werent stuck in a GIANT box of nerds and it was fan-freakin-tastic!! Long live the spread of esports! great risk IPL with a great pay off!!
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Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
October 22 2011 17:49 GMT
#108
Sick play by Stephano. All in all a great tournament and even though the finales weren't the epitome of skill it showed pretty well why Stephano took the entire tournament by storm.
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SpideyCU
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5 Posts
October 23 2011 20:27 GMT
#109
I will echo with Phokus in that I thought the whole "not everyone around is a nerd" aspect was refreshing rather than a change of pace. If you wanted to sit around and talk with people about the games, you obviously knew where to go. But it was also nice not to completely isolate yourself in nothing BUT that.

I had at least two to three conversations a day with random people throughout both casinos over the course of my 4 days there. Everyone from security guards to elderly gamblers wanted to know what the fuss was about. It felt awesome to, in some small way, be representing esports and growing familiarity with the event by answering people's questions about what kind of game it was, where else this was going on, how much money was at stake, how many people were playing, etc.

This is something that I think is absolutely key. If we limit these events to the MLG-style venues, it seems to reinforce the isolation that is stereotyped onto this type of activity. When they see a group of people super-excited and amped over a recent match, spilling out of the theater into other areas and what-not, it represents the image that we have in our heads of what makes esports awesome. And let me tell you, following Stephano out of the CM theater and across to Balley's in the small group we had, with everyone staring at his oversized check and trophy - that was pretty damn cool.

The venue itself was very comfortable and it almost makes me lament going to MLG Providence next month because I'll be spoiled. This isn't to criticize the write-up; it's very well done and much of rings home with my own observations from attending the event.
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
October 24 2011 10:00 GMT
#110
well written articles. insightful one by waxangel.
I actually missed IPL3 in it's entirety. There's only so much I can keep up with, MLG, GSL, and IPL (and actually playing the game). I lost my job this month trying to keep up with everything, so i'm really trying!
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
October 24 2011 15:46 GMT
#111
Great write up! Loved watching Stephano's play. IPL was the best tournament I've ever watched online to date. The production quality was amazing, and really set the standard for future tournaments.


lol @ the haypro picture btw .. I thought SC players were supposed to be GOOD at poker!!!
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
October 25 2011 02:15 GMT
#112
Very incredible tournament, even more so considering this was IPL's LAN debut. Well done.
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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
October 25 2011 03:03 GMT
#113
On October 22 2011 11:01 Phokus wrote:
Great write up! However, I disagree on the venue issues. I had work friday/sat so i got down there Sat night. Cir Max was an amazing venue! i watched mlg orlando a week later and saw all the terrible seating and lighting and was like "damn, so glad IPL3 was my first event". The whole " not everyone around is a nerd " is a terrible comment. That was the whole point of an AC venue. To bring other people into a sport! Mix with people outside your kind. I can not tell you how many people stopped and asked me "whats with all the lanyards (sp?)" and went on to having double digit minute convos with them about sc2. No you werent stuck in a GIANT box of nerds and it was fan-freakin-tastic!! Long live the spread of esports! great risk IPL with a great pay off!!


1. You are absolutely right about people asking about the lanyards and the event. I had at least 20 conversations with people asking about it... especially at the bars (easy icebreaker there haha).

2. The venue was awesome. Having been to multiple MLGs... the venue blew the typical scene from MLG out of the water.

The reasoning is kind of simple... the venues at MLGs generally shutdown for the night after the event is off the air. And, since, MLGs aren't in a venue such as a casino, the community generally fractures to groups of people going to hotel rooms with others to lan and such. Which, of course, isn't a bad thing.

However, having your event at a venue where throughout the entire day and night tons of things are going on, you create much more interaction within the community beyond just playing some games all night. You could go to the bar together, gamble, and whatever else you wanted to do all at the venue where you were staying.

Thus, you are letting people interact more readily in an atmosphere other than just playing games. Plus, it provides a ton more possibilities to hang out with the professionals as a spectator. This continued interaction is what made IPL so amazing to be a part of.

3. The only thing I think I would maybe suggest in the future is for IPL to try and not split the tournament up into separate parts like they did at AC (Balley's and C-Max). Or at the very least have the separate parts (open and main bracket) in much closer areas to one another. There was a lot of going back and forth from stage to stage... and in the process many matches were missed due to not having a unified stage. You couldn't really know when a match was starting in the other area unless you got lucky and it ended up exactly as scheduled.




The event was awesome though. I suggest everyone save up some money now and come out to IPL4! You will have a blast!
Voldron
Profile Joined February 2011
Greece91 Posts
October 25 2011 23:09 GMT
#114
On October 20 2011 15:01 harhar! wrote:
the text under haypro should have been:

Starcraft II progamers aren't necessarily good at Starcraft II.

User was banned for this post.

LoL i kinda thought of that in my head for a mom didnt expect some1 would write it in comments heh
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