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d6Mesh
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands445 Posts
October 13 2011 12:13 GMT
#61
Going to be a busy weekend, looking forward to it.
The interview with Carmac is quite interesting, well worth listening.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
October 13 2011 12:19 GMT
#62
On October 13 2011 21:03 HappyChris wrote:
I really feel alot of TL staff writers lives in the year 2000 still and are used to complet korean domination from the BW era.

So in IPL there wasnt top koreans there? ok.........nutz

MaNa is one of the best protoss in EU and he is the only terran I seen beat puma offline and online.
Im so sure that Top will not beat MaNa.

Also MaNa had one of the worst PvZ in EU for a very long time until he meet Stephano and trained with him. So now Mana got a really good PvZ.

Dont be supriced if it ends in a MaNa vs DRG final and MaNa wins it.

PS. Starcraft 2 isnt broodwar alot has changed. I feel like whatever a foreign player does its a no win situation.

You beat a korean? well he was proberly jetlagged. So Stephano you won a 100k dollars tournament full of koreans? Not good enough they wasnt the best korean.

So Dimga you beat Nestea and MVP once and JYP at IEM. Not good enough you were just lucky

So Idra you won IEM while beating Puma and revival. Not good enough idra it was proberly a match fix and revival isnt that good anyway

its really starting to look like some unconcience racisme towards the foreigner players. No matter what they do there is alllways a but or some other excuse

Plz TL writers stop living in the BW era and wake up


- the following Code S players were at IPL3: HuK
- MaNa has the best foreign PvT, PuMa has a foreign event schedule and wasn't a super top tier Korean player anyway
- Stephano won 30k, and it's they weren't the best Koreans.
- Dimaga beat NesTea in ZvZ, something unheard of. Awesome. An occurrence.
- Revival not a top player, already talked about PuMa

It's not racism, and it's certainly not BW elitism either. It has been proven that the best foreigners can compete with the best Koreans. Without a significant foreign presence in Code S, you cannot possibly hope to deny that Koreans are outright better. Stephano's win? Amazing. He played brilliantly. Did you watch NesTea vs MVP? Do you think Stephano can stand up to that? You might, I don't, but what's important in this is that we don't know.

Koreans are the best. It's not racism or BW elitism, it's fact. You don't think every foreign fan, including TL's writers, wants foreigners to win? Of course they do! What matters is that the Koreans at this tournament are significantly better than the majority of foreign players, and this tournament has less talent than the upcoming MLG.

Korean players live in their team house and practice more than foreign players, within a group of people all living for this game. It is not blood or talent that makes them better, it is the work ethic. No matter what glimpses of brilliance we see from foreign players, they will always be behind the Koreans if they're not fully dedicating their entire lives to this game, which many are not. Look at iNcontroL for example, he is a progamer however he dedicates a lot of time he could be practicing to doing things for the community, being on shows, casting, coaching etc.

You don't think Stephano being as good as he is with 2 hours a day could be up there with the best of the Koreans if he was living there? You think GoOdy, the panzer general with low APM that fully queues his factories, regarded as one of the best mech players in the world, wouldn't slay everyone if he trained constantly to improve his mechanics? The problem is that once again, we don't know. What matters is the facts, Koreans are better and that's that.

cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
October 13 2011 12:22 GMT
#63
Carmac always seems so cool. Nice writeup and interviews. Thanks^^
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 13 2011 12:25 GMT
#64
On October 13 2011 17:10 chocopaw wrote:
TOP > Puma? No fucking way. When I looked at the NY groups I thought it was definitely less stacked then Ghuangzou.

Hahaha, oh you... fanboy much?

As I kind of like the whole korea vs the world thing and not korean terrans vs korean terrans, I think this is the tournament to watch, at least for the majority of the matches.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 13 2011 12:36 GMT
#65
Wait Guangzhou just barely ended and it's already time for New York? Not that I'm complaining or anything. DRG should take this but because of his ZvP Mana is the biggest threat to beat him, assuming Mana gets far enough to face DRG. TOP is good but I don't think his playstyle is dynamic enough to be upset-proof. I love Killer but as we saw Cologne there isn't anything special about him at all. Fruitdealer is just bad, but he also got the weakest group.
thragar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada450 Posts
October 13 2011 13:02 GMT
#66
I don't get the obsession with separating the non-Korean trained foreigners. Chinese national curling teams train in Canada because that's where they can play against better teams, get the best coaches, and have the best facilities. When they win, do Chinese people say "oh, but we're waiting for a non-Canadian trained Chinese team to win". ??
Blixy213
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States360 Posts
October 13 2011 13:11 GMT
#67
Pokebunny is our hometown hero, Fighting!
#1 sKyHigh and MorroW fan. "Should have stayed in the bush, bush reaper."
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
October 13 2011 13:13 GMT
#68
Pokebunny has a good head on those shoulders. Hope nothing but the best for you Poke!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
October 13 2011 13:19 GMT
#69
While I agree that Koreans are probably going to win the event, I don't really understand why there needs to be all these qualifiers regarding tournament results. I think it's sufficient to say that foreigners can beat Koreans, but statistically you're still likely to see the Koreans take up the entire podium. The way it's being stated now just makes it seem like you're grasping at straws to keep this facade that Koreans are significantly better than foreigners.

Pokebunny, though, is awesome. I don't know much about him, but from this interview it seems like he has the proper mindset to lead this dual life. I hope he puts up a good showing in the tournament!
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
October 13 2011 13:19 GMT
#70
On October 13 2011 21:03 HappyChris wrote:
I really feel alot of TL staff writers lives in the year 2000 still and are used to complet korean domination from the BW era.

So in IPL there wasnt top koreans there? ok.........nutz

MaNa is one of the best protoss in EU and he is the only terran I seen beat puma offline and online.
Im so sure that Top will not beat MaNa.

Also MaNa had one of the worst PvZ in EU for a very long time until he meet Stephano and trained with him. So now Mana got a really good PvZ.

Dont be supriced if it ends in a MaNa vs DRG final and MaNa wins it.

PS. Starcraft 2 isnt broodwar alot has changed. I feel like whatever a foreign player does its a no win situation.

You beat a korean? well he was proberly jetlagged. So Stephano you won a 100k dollars tournament full of koreans? Not good enough they wasnt the best korean.

So Dimaga you beat Nestea and MVP once and JYP at IEM. Not good enough you were just lucky

So Idra you won IEM while beating Puma and revival. Not good enough idra it was proberly a match fix and revival isnt that good anyway

its really starting to look like some unconcience racisme towards the foreigner players. No matter what they do there is alllways a but or some other excuse

Plz TL writers stop living in the BW era and wake up



Top doesn't have a chance of beating MaNa? What?

Your argument would have been more plausible if you say that FD will go 0-3 in his group. Even then I would suppose he won't.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 13:20:49
October 13 2011 13:19 GMT
#71
On October 13 2011 21:19 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 21:03 HappyChris wrote:
I really feel alot of TL staff writers lives in the year 2000 still and are used to complet korean domination from the BW era.

So in IPL there wasnt top koreans there? ok.........nutz

MaNa is one of the best protoss in EU and he is the only terran I seen beat puma offline and online.
Im so sure that Top will not beat MaNa.

Also MaNa had one of the worst PvZ in EU for a very long time until he meet Stephano and trained with him. So now Mana got a really good PvZ.

Dont be supriced if it ends in a MaNa vs DRG final and MaNa wins it.

PS. Starcraft 2 isnt broodwar alot has changed. I feel like whatever a foreign player does its a no win situation.

You beat a korean? well he was proberly jetlagged. So Stephano you won a 100k dollars tournament full of koreans? Not good enough they wasnt the best korean.

So Dimga you beat Nestea and MVP once and JYP at IEM. Not good enough you were just lucky

So Idra you won IEM while beating Puma and revival. Not good enough idra it was proberly a match fix and revival isnt that good anyway

its really starting to look like some unconcience racisme towards the foreigner players. No matter what they do there is alllways a but or some other excuse

Plz TL writers stop living in the BW era and wake up


- the following Code S players were at IPL3: HuK
- MaNa has the best foreign PvT, PuMa has a foreign event schedule and wasn't a super top tier Korean player anyway
- Stephano won 30k, and it's they weren't the best Koreans.
- Dimaga beat NesTea in ZvZ, something unheard of. Awesome. An occurrence.
- Revival not a top player, already talked about PuMa

It's not racism, and it's certainly not BW elitism either. It has been proven that the best foreigners can compete with the best Koreans. Without a significant foreign presence in Code S, you cannot possibly hope to deny that Koreans are outright better. Stephano's win? Amazing. He played brilliantly. Did you watch NesTea vs MVP? Do you think Stephano can stand up to that? You might, I don't, but what's important in this is that we don't know.



Thx for proving my point.

Btw at IPL3: You had MMA,Alive,Huk,Ryung all Code S. I find it quite funny you speak so highly about the skill difference between the koreans and the foreigners but you dont even know who is in Code S

And Lucky proberly gonna be Code S soon


Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
October 13 2011 13:25 GMT
#72
On October 13 2011 21:19 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 21:03 HappyChris wrote:
I really feel alot of TL staff writers lives in the year 2000 still and are used to complet korean domination from the BW era.

So in IPL there wasnt top koreans there? ok.........nutz

MaNa is one of the best protoss in EU and he is the only terran I seen beat puma offline and online.
Im so sure that Top will not beat MaNa.

Also MaNa had one of the worst PvZ in EU for a very long time until he meet Stephano and trained with him. So now Mana got a really good PvZ.

Dont be supriced if it ends in a MaNa vs DRG final and MaNa wins it.

PS. Starcraft 2 isnt broodwar alot has changed. I feel like whatever a foreign player does its a no win situation.

You beat a korean? well he was proberly jetlagged. So Stephano you won a 100k dollars tournament full of koreans? Not good enough they wasnt the best korean.

So Dimga you beat Nestea and MVP once and JYP at IEM. Not good enough you were just lucky

So Idra you won IEM while beating Puma and revival. Not good enough idra it was proberly a match fix and revival isnt that good anyway

its really starting to look like some unconcience racisme towards the foreigner players. No matter what they do there is alllways a but or some other excuse

Plz TL writers stop living in the BW era and wake up


- the following Code S players were at IPL3: HuK
- MaNa has the best foreign PvT, PuMa has a foreign event schedule and wasn't a super top tier Korean player anyway
- Stephano won 30k, and it's they weren't the best Koreans.
- Dimaga beat NesTea in ZvZ, something unheard of. Awesome. An occurrence.
- Revival not a top player, already talked about PuMa

It's not racism, and it's certainly not BW elitism either. It has been proven that the best foreigners can compete with the best Koreans. Without a significant foreign presence in Code S, you cannot possibly hope to deny that Koreans are outright better. Stephano's win? Amazing. He played brilliantly. Did you watch NesTea vs MVP? Do you think Stephano can stand up to that? You might, I don't, but what's important in this is that we don't know.

Koreans are the best. It's not racism or BW elitism, it's fact. You don't think every foreign fan, including TL's writers, wants foreigners to win? Of course they do! What matters is that the Koreans at this tournament are significantly better than the majority of foreign players, and this tournament has less talent than the upcoming MLG.

Korean players live in their team house and practice more than foreign players, within a group of people all living for this game. It is not blood or talent that makes them better, it is the work ethic. No matter what glimpses of brilliance we see from foreign players, they will always be behind the Koreans if they're not fully dedicating their entire lives to this game, which many are not. Look at iNcontroL for example, he is a progamer however he dedicates a lot of time he could be practicing to doing things for the community, being on shows, casting, coaching etc.

You don't think Stephano being as good as he is with 2 hours a day could be up there with the best of the Koreans if he was living there? You think GoOdy, the panzer general with low APM that fully queues his factories, regarded as one of the best mech players in the world, wouldn't slay everyone if he trained constantly to improve his mechanics? The problem is that once again, we don't know. What matters is the facts, Koreans are better and that's that.



So MMA, aLive and Ryung aren't Code S players? They were at IPL you know?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 13 2011 13:33 GMT
#73
Cool interview with Pokebunny!

Srry guys, Darkcell has this one tho :/
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4729 Posts
October 13 2011 13:40 GMT
#74
Great and interestng interview with Carmac.
Pathetic Greta hater.
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
October 13 2011 13:40 GMT
#75
Really like Carmac interviews, it's good to know someone like him is in charge of IEM.
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 13:48:57
October 13 2011 13:42 GMT
#76
A lot of these articles are almost trollish in the manner in which they're worded to be sensational and discussion provoking; but they get special graphics and a front page nod so they can't possibly be massive trollfests, right?

What happens when DRG and TOP finally lose to non-Koreans? Do you come back and edit the article with 'my bad lol j/k'?

On October 13 2011 19:30 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 17:14 Grettin wrote:
On October 13 2011 17:04 tOTOM wrote:
Just for information, Stephano already beat MarineKing, Puzzle, Revival and MMA for the IPL 3 qualification...


"Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals."

Great write-up Wax! Carmac interview was amazing! Have a good time in IEM!

TSL3?


Oh god, you're just asking to get pounced upon with this. The only LAN component was the finals. If everything from the RO16 on was live, that would've easily been a couple of Koreans vying for the cash. Though I'm somewhat critical of the article itself, TSL3 soooooo wasn't an example of 'top Koreans losing to legit westerners'.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
October 13 2011 13:45 GMT
#77
Dodge on the dumplings!
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
Escape
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada306 Posts
October 13 2011 13:51 GMT
#78
wow. I am surprised at pokebunny's mental maturity level. Earned a fan today.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
October 13 2011 14:00 GMT
#79
"Obviously, Fruitdealer's grandmother will be better than the top 15 from the U.S."

I really enjoyed that Carmac interview lol
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 14:03:08
October 13 2011 14:02 GMT
#80
Why do these fracking threads never have the date of the actual tournament!?!? The OP is a very logical place to put the time and date of the tournament being discussed, why make me go elsewhere to find it -_-
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