IEM Global Challenge New York - Day 0 Coverage - Page 4

On October 13 2011 21:03 HappyChris wrote:
I really feel alot of TL staff writers lives in the year 2000 still and are used to complet korean domination from the BW era.

So in IPL there wasnt top koreans there? ok.........nutz

MaNa is one of the best protoss in EU and he is the only terran I seen beat puma offline and online.
Im so sure that Top will not beat MaNa.

Also MaNa had one of the worst PvZ in EU for a very long time until he meet Stephano and trained with him. So now Mana got a really good PvZ.

Dont be supriced if it ends in a MaNa vs DRG final and MaNa wins it.

PS. Starcraft 2 isnt broodwar alot has changed. I feel like whatever a foreign player does its a no win situation.

You beat a korean? well he was proberly jetlagged. So Stephano you won a 100k dollars tournament full of koreans? Not good enough they wasnt the best korean.

So Dimga you beat Nestea and MVP once and JYP at IEM. Not good enough you were just lucky

So Idra you won IEM while beating Puma and revival. Not good enough idra it was proberly a match fix and revival isnt that good anyway

its really starting to look like some unconcience racisme towards the foreigner players. No matter what they do there is alllways a but or some other excuse

Plz TL writers stop living in the BW era and wake up

On October 13 2011 17:10 chocopaw wrote:
TOP > Puma? No fucking way. When I looked at the NY groups I thought it was definitely less stacked then Ghuangzou.

On October 13 2011 21:03 HappyChris wrote:
I really feel alot of TL staff writers lives in the year 2000 still and are used to complet korean domination from the BW era.

So in IPL there wasnt top koreans there? ok.........nutz

MaNa is one of the best protoss in EU and he is the only terran I seen beat puma offline and online.
Im so sure that Top will not beat MaNa.

Also MaNa had one of the worst PvZ in EU for a very long time until he meet Stephano and trained with him. So now Mana got a really good PvZ.

Dont be supriced if it ends in a MaNa vs DRG final and MaNa wins it.

PS. Starcraft 2 isnt broodwar alot has changed. I feel like whatever a foreign player does its a no win situation.

You beat a korean? well he was proberly jetlagged. So Stephano you won a 100k dollars tournament full of koreans? Not good enough they wasnt the best korean.

So Dimaga you beat Nestea and MVP once and JYP at IEM. Not good enough you were just lucky

So Idra you won IEM while beating Puma and revival. Not good enough idra it was proberly a match fix and revival isnt that good anyway

its really starting to look like some unconcience racisme towards the foreigner players. No matter what they do there is alllways a but or some other excuse

Plz TL writers stop living in the BW era and wake up

On October 13 2011 21:19 Ruscour wrote:

- the following Code S players were at IPL3: HuK
- MaNa has the best foreign PvT, PuMa has a foreign event schedule and wasn't a super top tier Korean player anyway
- Stephano won 30k, and it's they weren't the best Koreans.
- Dimaga beat NesTea in ZvZ, something unheard of. Awesome. An occurrence.
- Revival not a top player, already talked about PuMa

It's not racism, and it's certainly not BW elitism either. It has been proven that the best foreigners can compete with the best Koreans. Without a significant foreign presence in Code S, you cannot possibly hope to deny that Koreans are outright better. Stephano's win? Amazing. He played brilliantly. Did you watch NesTea vs MVP? Do you think Stephano can stand up to that? You might, I don't, but what's important in this is that we don't know.

On October 13 2011 21:19 Ruscour wrote:

- the following Code S players were at IPL3: HuK
- MaNa has the best foreign PvT, PuMa has a foreign event schedule and wasn't a super top tier Korean player anyway
- Stephano won 30k, and it's they weren't the best Koreans.
- Dimaga beat NesTea in ZvZ, something unheard of. Awesome. An occurrence.
- Revival not a top player, already talked about PuMa

It's not racism, and it's certainly not BW elitism either. It has been proven that the best foreigners can compete with the best Koreans. Without a significant foreign presence in Code S, you cannot possibly hope to deny that Koreans are outright better. Stephano's win? Amazing. He played brilliantly. Did you watch NesTea vs MVP? Do you think Stephano can stand up to that? You might, I don't, but what's important in this is that we don't know.

Koreans are the best. It's not racism or BW elitism, it's fact. You don't think every foreign fan, including TL's writers, wants foreigners to win? Of course they do! What matters is that the Koreans at this tournament are significantly better than the majority of foreign players, and this tournament has less talent than the upcoming MLG.

Korean players live in their team house and practice more than foreign players, within a group of people all living for this game. It is not blood or talent that makes them better, it is the work ethic. No matter what glimpses of brilliance we see from foreign players, they will always be behind the Koreans if they're not fully dedicating their entire lives to this game, which many are not. Look at iNcontroL for example, he is a progamer however he dedicates a lot of time he could be practicing to doing things for the community, being on shows, casting, coaching etc.

You don't think Stephano being as good as he is with 2 hours a day could be up there with the best of the Koreans if he was living there? You think GoOdy, the panzer general with low APM that fully queues his factories, regarded as one of the best mech players in the world, wouldn't slay everyone if he trained constantly to improve his mechanics? The problem is that once again, we don't know. What matters is the facts, Koreans are better and that's that.

On October 13 2011 19:30 Paladia wrote:

TSL3?