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Rooting for Mana, DRG and Top in that order.
Mana is an incredibly solid player and I feel like he has a good shot at taking this whole thing if he keeps himself focused. I wouldn't say he's a favorite vs Top but I'm not counting him out either. I actually expect Mana and Top to take their group with relatively little trouble ( no offense to tt1 and pokebunny)
DRG I like just because I find his personality charming. With him backing out of MLG to do IEM instead I'd like to see him do well and perhaps show off some new builds. With his TvZ being slowly figured out we may see DRG try something different. Mostly though I want to see DRG vs non terrans, his other two matchups tend to lead to quite interesting games.
Top is again a really solid player whom I found myself growing fond of as last season progressed and he became "the little Ogs-terran that could ". Moving past the gsl finalist curse that put him in the up/downs to win a big international event during the same season would be nice compensation for Top. He has the skills to win and likely the drive, whether or not he can put it together and pull out a victory remains to be seen though.
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Whatchu talkin' bout Pokebunny?! Artosis is the #1 player hailing from NY!
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On October 13 2011 22:42 AutomatonOmega wrote:
A lot of these articles are almost trollish in the manner in which they're worded to be sensational and discussion provoking; but they get special graphics and a front page nod so they can't possibly be massive trollfests, right?
What happens when DRG and TOP finally lose to non-Koreans? Do you come back and edit the article with 'my bad lol j/k'?
Yup i agree about the trollish article... Sadly the TL writters have no faith in western players. And even if they win its always that:
a) the korean wasn't a top player (LOL)
b) korean got jetlagged
c) it was online so it doesnt count.
Oh and about TOP losing...
 DreamHack Winter 2010
Yeah like losing to Naaama and Fenix doesnt count....
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Wow, that Carmac interview really impressed me. That guy is a boss.
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pretending there is a huge skill gap between top 10 koreans and top 20 (or even top 30) koreans is hilarious
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On October 13 2011 23:02 CaptainCrush wrote:
Why do these fracking threads never have the date of the actual tournament!?!? The OP is a very logical place to put the time and date of the tournament being discussed, why make me go elsewhere to find it -_-
If you sneek a pek on towards the right side of the site, you'll see that IEM NY is currently 1h 29m away. Cheers.
I'll try to watch as much IEM as I can, but MLG remains the top priority. TOP fighting!
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I'll be going and spectating - looking forward to it!
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did you look at the list of players stephano actually beat, before saying 'top 10 koreans' etc.
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well mana is pretty much a baller so id pick him top 3 definately
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Note to the author, London's the greatest city in the world!!!! 
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On October 14 2011 00:42 Mikey wrote:
did you look at the list of players stephano actually beat, before saying 'top 10 koreans' etc.
Are the players he beat top 10 in your opinion? I'm pretty sure he is still comparing them to this which has two players who he did actually beat.
Without commenting about how good the player list were or anything, am i really that blind or are you even reading the article he wrote at all?
I'm not ignoring IEM Guangzhou or IPL3, but we have to be objective about the situation here. Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals. The best foreigners have been able to beat Koreans for quite a while; it's just that the very best Koreans form a nigh impenetrable wall in front of the medal podium. The guys at Guangzhou and Atlantic City were pretty good, but they weren't exactly top ten players. (Though if Stephano had run into MMA on his path, then that would have been quite interesting...)
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thank you for the write-up!
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On October 14 2011 00:53 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 00:42 Mikey wrote:
did you look at the list of players stephano actually beat, before saying 'top 10 koreans' etc. Are the players he beat top 10 in your opinion? I'm pretty sure he is still comparing them to this which has two players who he did actually beat. Without commenting about how good the player list were or anything, am i really that blind or are you even reading the article he wrote at all? Show nested quote +I'm not ignoring IEM Guangzhou or IPL3, but we have to be objective about the situation here. Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals. The best foreigners have been able to beat Koreans for quite a while; it's just that the very best Koreans form a nigh impenetrable wall in front of the medal podium. The guys at Guangzhou and Atlantic City were pretty good, but they weren't exactly top ten players. (Though if Stephano had run into MMA on his path, then that would have been quite interesting...)
Stephano actually ran into MMA on his path to qualification and won...
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I don't like that article.
The text is really subjective and I get the impression that the author just wanted to downplay stephano's tournament win.
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On October 14 2011 01:05 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 00:53 Grettin wrote:On October 14 2011 00:42 Mikey wrote:
did you look at the list of players stephano actually beat, before saying 'top 10 koreans' etc. Are the players he beat top 10 in your opinion? I'm pretty sure he is still comparing them to this which has two players who he did actually beat. Without commenting about how good the player list were or anything, am i really that blind or are you even reading the article he wrote at all? I'm not ignoring IEM Guangzhou or IPL3, but we have to be objective about the situation here. Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals. The best foreigners have been able to beat Koreans for quite a while; it's just that the very best Koreans form a nigh impenetrable wall in front of the medal podium. The guys at Guangzhou and Atlantic City were pretty good, but they weren't exactly top ten players. (Though if Stephano had run into MMA on his path, then that would have been quite interesting...) Stephano actually ran into MMA on his path to qualification and won...
And i did mention it. If this is what WaxAngel thinks, let it be so? I'm by no means saying that it wasn't impressive or hard at all, in fact, i still think that he was or is the closest foreigner to win a tournament against top class Korean professional. The hardest opponent he could have faced in the tournament was MMA, but the players he beat wasn't top 10 at all or even near it, so Wax has a point.
E: actually now that i look at the matches Stephano played, he didn't play against MMA (or Ruyng) in the tournament at all, only in the qualifiers as you said.
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"Show Start is Delayed.
Venue is facing bandwidth problems on the internet connection.
We will keep you updated. Please stand by."
from the IEM stream
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Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals.
I was about to say "what about HuK?", then i saw this at the end:
*More specifically, "non-Korea trained foreigners," since a oGs-TL house residing HuK did win HSC3 and DH Summer. Anyway, HuK should just be considered a Korean.
It's really tiny, barely could see it. Maybe it's just me who's blind or use too small font on browser. Very well written article, nice job! =D
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On October 13 2011 17:11 KiNGxXx wrote:Thanks. Nice read! BUT I don't like that: Show nested quote +I'm not ignoring IEM Guangzhou or IPL3, but we have to be objective about the situation here. Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals. There are two top koreans: MVP and NesTea. All of the others are around the same level (Ryung, DRG, MMA ...). It's not Stephano's fault that MVP and NesTea weren't at IPL. Don't talk this victory down. There were a lot of awesome players from korea who didn't manage do win this tournament. I don't know why in almost every TL article the writer has to say something like "yeah, nice win BUT we all know it wasn't that hard..." I would like to see more: "Yeah, after the great success of the foreign world in IPL we will maybe have another tournament without a korean winner because Mana (or other players) is a boss and had already shown his skills vs korean!" Don't get me wrong, great article but I would love to see more positive vibe.
I agree, the two foreigner wins were legitimate and the writer seemed to just shrug them off. Otherwise good article!
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Pokebunny!!! You did a wonderful job representing our community in this interview. <3 The Smurf mention totally made me say "awww" hahaha. Can't wait to see you kick some butt this weekend, gl kid!
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