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On October 13 2011 18:07 BigLighthouse wrote:
That interview with carmac was satisfying like always. He has a very well thought out opinion of the way competative gaming needs to progress and how tournaments should conduct themselves
I have to agree. I find that every time Carmac answers a topic, he does so while being very aware of how deep/less deep his knowledge of said subject is. The fact that he has held many interviews surely helps a great deal as well.
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On October 13 2011 18:29 Malaz wrote:Show nested quote +Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals. The best foreigners have been able to beat Koreans for quite a while; it's just that the very best Koreans form a nigh impenetrable wall in front of the medal podium. The guys at Guangzhou and Atlantic City were pretty good, but they weren't exactly top ten players. (Though if Stephano had run into MMA on his path, then that would have been quite interesting...) So MMA was defeated by a Korean player that later got defeated by Stephano... For me that makes him the winner of an tournament with one of the best Korean player around. Other than that great article.
Way too volatile to judge 'the gap' based on a couple of sets. It's incredibly frustrating arguing on both sides, and ultimately it doesn't really matter. Unless Stephano et al. gets into Code S and actually gets a chance against the top players in a longer tournament, there's no conclusive evidence either way and it's not worth talking about, especially in this thread.
In any case, Axslav is in super hot form and I see him doing really well, don't forget Killer is literally the best Protoss in Korea, and hence the world! You're only as good as your last tournament 
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i have searched the whole forum and looked on google quite a bit too but there is NO information ANYWHERE WHEN (time) the event is going to start. does anyone know this?
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"IEM Let DRG and TOP flip a coin for $6,000." -OP
I think this assumption is wrong because some of the Europeans might break into the Finals but we will have to wait and see.
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Carmac has a point there, we need all the event we can get and it's ok if IEM as some lesser knowned players since they qualified fair and square!
And yes Fruitdealear won more the boxer.. !
gj waxangel
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On October 13 2011 18:49 Spitmode wrote:
i have searched the whole forum and looked on google quite a bit too but there is NO information ANYWHERE WHEN (time) the event is going to start. does anyone know this?
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/newyork/schedule/
The same place it always is...
Amazing interview with Carmac, he really seems to have a clear vision for how to provide for sustainable development of esl and esports.
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On October 13 2011 18:51 archonOOid wrote:
"IEM Let DRG and TOP flip a coin for $6,000." -OP
I think this assumption is wrong because some of the Europeans might break into the Finals but we will have to wait and see.
They are the two favorites to win the whole thing but your right a player like Mana can take games from them.
Also looking at the groups, an all Korean/EU quarterfinal wouldn't be that big of an suprise, because I don't think the NA players that attend IEM are on the same level. TT1 and Pokebunny could have a chance but they have a really hard group with TOP and Mana. Maybe KilleR can go through.
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On October 13 2011 17:14 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 17:04 tOTOM wrote:
Just for information, Stephano already beat MarineKing, Puzzle, Revival and MMA for the IPL 3 qualification... "Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals." Great write-up Wax! Carmac interview was amazing! Have a good time in IEM!
TSL3?
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According to readmore.de, a german esports newssite, the games start at 18:15(6:15pm) CEST, which is GMT+2 i think!
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TOP will win IEM and MC will win MLG
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Nice write up, love seeing Carmac's interviews. Also great interview with Pokebunny.... ill definetly be rooting for him in every match.
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Great Interview with Carmac. I second every word of him and deeply respect his approach to eSports. gl to IEM, I will definitly watch both events this weekend, as I am sure that IEM will be much more exciting than most people think.
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I have to agree that Carmac did really well in his interview. He's been involved in esports for a very long time (originally from Unreal Tournament and then on to Quake) and obviously knows what he is doing and talking about.
He is definitely one of the best people you can get in the position he has now.
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On October 13 2011 17:04 blackmanjoe wrote:
I agree with Carmac , I really like his thought process for esports and tournaments
Me too. I like the idea behind the IEM tournaments and the qualifiers giving chance to everybody.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2011 18:32 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 18:29 Malaz wrote:Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals. The best foreigners have been able to beat Koreans for quite a while; it's just that the very best Koreans form a nigh impenetrable wall in front of the medal podium. The guys at Guangzhou and Atlantic City were pretty good, but they weren't exactly top ten players. (Though if Stephano had run into MMA on his path, then that would have been quite interesting...) So MMA was defeated by a Korean player that later got defeated by Stephano... For me that makes him the winner of an tournament with one of the best Korean player around. Other than that great article. Way too volatile to judge 'the gap' based on a couple of sets. It's incredibly frustrating arguing on both sides, and ultimately it doesn't really matter. Unless Stephano et al. gets into Code S and actually gets a chance against the top players in a longer tournament, there's no conclusive evidence either way and it's not worth talking about, especially in this thread. In any case, Axslav is in super hot form and I see him doing really well, don't forget Killer is literally the best Protoss in Korea, and hence the world! You're only as good as your last tournament
The article is as always eminently readable, and the two interviews are awesome.
However, I actually think this article is the poorest pre-event article I've read on TL, because of the blatantly wrong statement. The link to a Power Rank where two of the players present at IPL is on (at number 4 and number 8), prefaced with the statement "The guys at Guangzhou and Atlantic City were pretty good, but they weren't exactly top ten players" is mindboggling for me. It just seems poorly researched.
I also find that statement "(Though if Stephano had run into MMA on his path, then that would have been quite interesting...)" odd. Does the author mean that just because Stephano didn't play MMA means we can't know if he's better or worse? I think that if you look at the games and actual gameplay, it seems that the best ZvT:ers at IPL3 were Stephano and IdrA. Lucky is a Z, and he beat MMA, with play that I personally don't think looked as polished as the two foreigners, although it was very, very good (as all Koreans going abroad are). Stephano then beat Lucky 4-0 in the final. It wasn't really close between them, 4-0 is 4-0. And considering he was on fire at IPL 3 with probably better at ZvT than Lucky, I can't really see how he would not win vs MMA in a best of 5 or 7.
It just reeks of some kind of rationalization; "yes, he won, but the best koreans weren't there... Oh, #4 and #8 on TL powerreank were there? Well they didn't play him, he only played players who beat them...."
That said, the two interviews does in my opinion save the article, making it ok, instead of outright bad. But kind of disappointing considering all the previous, excellent writeups.
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Wohoo! Go Pokebunny! Show those Koreans who's boss!
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I really feel alot of TL staff writers lives in the year 2000 still and are used to complet korean domination from the BW era.
So in IPL there wasnt top koreans there? ok.........nutz
MaNa is one of the best protoss in EU and he is the only terran I seen beat puma offline and online.
Im so sure that Top will not beat MaNa.
Also MaNa had one of the worst PvZ in EU for a very long time until he meet Stephano and trained with him. So now Mana got a really good PvZ.
Dont be supriced if it ends in a MaNa vs DRG final and MaNa wins it.
PS. Starcraft 2 isnt broodwar alot has changed. I feel like whatever a foreign player does its a no win situation.
You beat a korean? well he was proberly jetlagged. So Stephano you won a 100k dollars tournament full of koreans? Not good enough they wasnt the best korean.
So Dimaga you beat Nestea and MVP once and JYP at IEM. Not good enough you were just lucky
So Idra you won IEM while beating Puma and revival. Not good enough idra it was proberly a match fix and revival isnt that good anyway
its really starting to look like some unconcience racisme towards the foreigner players. No matter what they do there is alllways a but or some other excuse
Plz TL writers stop living in the BW era and wake up
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