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mikep
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden133 Posts
October 13 2011 09:31 GMT
#41
On October 13 2011 18:07 BigLighthouse wrote:
That interview with carmac was satisfying like always. He has a very well thought out opinion of the way competative gaming needs to progress and how tournaments should conduct themselves

I have to agree. I find that every time Carmac answers a topic, he does so while being very aware of how deep/less deep his knowledge of said subject is. The fact that he has held many interviews surely helps a great deal as well.
I don't play for fun.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
October 13 2011 09:32 GMT
#42
On October 13 2011 18:29 Malaz wrote:
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Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals. The best foreigners have been able to beat Koreans for quite a while; it's just that the very best Koreans form a nigh impenetrable wall in front of the medal podium. The guys at Guangzhou and Atlantic City were pretty good, but they weren't exactly top ten players. (Though if Stephano had run into MMA on his path, then that would have been quite interesting...)


So MMA was defeated by a Korean player that later got defeated by Stephano... For me that makes him the winner of an tournament with one of the best Korean player around.

Other than that great article.

Way too volatile to judge 'the gap' based on a couple of sets. It's incredibly frustrating arguing on both sides, and ultimately it doesn't really matter. Unless Stephano et al. gets into Code S and actually gets a chance against the top players in a longer tournament, there's no conclusive evidence either way and it's not worth talking about, especially in this thread.

In any case, Axslav is in super hot form and I see him doing really well, don't forget Killer is literally the best Protoss in Korea, and hence the world! You're only as good as your last tournament
Spitmode
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1510 Posts
October 13 2011 09:49 GMT
#43
i have searched the whole forum and looked on google quite a bit too but there is NO information ANYWHERE WHEN (time) the event is going to start. does anyone know this?
"Make house -> Robots come out of house -> Robots shoot lazers -> Someone wins"
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
October 13 2011 09:51 GMT
#44
"IEM Let DRG and TOP flip a coin for $6,000." -OP

I think this assumption is wrong because some of the Europeans might break into the Finals but we will have to wait and see.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 13 2011 09:56 GMT
#45
Carmac has a point there, we need all the event we can get and it's ok if IEM as some lesser knowned players since they qualified fair and square!

And yes Fruitdealear won more the boxer.. !

gj waxangel
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 09:58:51
October 13 2011 09:58 GMT
#46
On October 13 2011 18:49 Spitmode wrote:
i have searched the whole forum and looked on google quite a bit too but there is NO information ANYWHERE WHEN (time) the event is going to start. does anyone know this?


http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/newyork/schedule/

The same place it always is...

Amazing interview with Carmac, he really seems to have a clear vision for how to provide for sustainable development of esl and esports.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 10:02:31
October 13 2011 10:01 GMT
#47
On October 13 2011 18:51 archonOOid wrote:
"IEM Let DRG and TOP flip a coin for $6,000." -OP

I think this assumption is wrong because some of the Europeans might break into the Finals but we will have to wait and see.


They are the two favorites to win the whole thing but your right a player like Mana can take games from them.
Also looking at the groups, an all Korean/EU quarterfinal wouldn't be that big of an suprise, because I don't think the NA players that attend IEM are on the same level. TT1 and Pokebunny could have a chance but they have a really hard group with TOP and Mana. Maybe KilleR can go through.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
October 13 2011 10:30 GMT
#48
On October 13 2011 17:14 Grettin wrote:
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On October 13 2011 17:04 tOTOM wrote:
Just for information, Stephano already beat MarineKing, Puzzle, Revival and MMA for the IPL 3 qualification...


"Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals."

Great write-up Wax! Carmac interview was amazing! Have a good time in IEM!

TSL3?
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
October 13 2011 10:34 GMT
#49
hehe, go pokebonjwa
beep boop
mengsk83
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany519 Posts
October 13 2011 10:44 GMT
#50
According to readmore.de, a german esports newssite, the games start at 18:15(6:15pm) CEST, which is GMT+2 i think!
kusu
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden440 Posts
October 13 2011 10:46 GMT
#51
pokebunny phajjtiiing
Expa bör man annars dör man! A game withouth me, is a game not worth winning!
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
October 13 2011 10:46 GMT
#52
TOP will win IEM and MC will win MLG
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
October 13 2011 10:53 GMT
#53
Nice write up, love seeing Carmac's interviews. Also great interview with Pokebunny.... ill definetly be rooting for him in every match.
Jieun <3
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 13 2011 10:54 GMT
#54
Great Interview with Carmac. I second every word of him and deeply respect his approach to eSports. gl to IEM, I will definitly watch both events this weekend, as I am sure that IEM will be much more exciting than most people think.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
October 13 2011 10:55 GMT
#55
I have to agree that Carmac did really well in his interview. He's been involved in esports for a very long time (originally from Unreal Tournament and then on to Quake) and obviously knows what he is doing and talking about.

He is definitely one of the best people you can get in the position he has now.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
October 13 2011 11:39 GMT
#56
is carmac drunk?
bentnormal
Profile Joined December 2009
112 Posts
October 13 2011 11:41 GMT
#57
On October 13 2011 17:04 blackmanjoe wrote:
I agree with Carmac , I really like his thought process for esports and tournaments

Me too. I like the idea behind the IEM tournaments and the qualifiers giving chance to everybody.
Reivax
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden214 Posts
October 13 2011 11:54 GMT
#58
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 13 2011 18:32 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 18:29 Malaz wrote:
Foreigners* still haven't won a tournament against top class Korean professionals. The best foreigners have been able to beat Koreans for quite a while; it's just that the very best Koreans form a nigh impenetrable wall in front of the medal podium. The guys at Guangzhou and Atlantic City were pretty good, but they weren't exactly top ten players. (Though if Stephano had run into MMA on his path, then that would have been quite interesting...)


So MMA was defeated by a Korean player that later got defeated by Stephano... For me that makes him the winner of an tournament with one of the best Korean player around.

Other than that great article.

Way too volatile to judge 'the gap' based on a couple of sets. It's incredibly frustrating arguing on both sides, and ultimately it doesn't really matter. Unless Stephano et al. gets into Code S and actually gets a chance against the top players in a longer tournament, there's no conclusive evidence either way and it's not worth talking about, especially in this thread.

In any case, Axslav is in super hot form and I see him doing really well, don't forget Killer is literally the best Protoss in Korea, and hence the world! You're only as good as your last tournament


The article is as always eminently readable, and the two interviews are awesome.

However, I actually think this article is the poorest pre-event article I've read on TL, because of the blatantly wrong statement. The link to a Power Rank where two of the players present at IPL is on (at number 4 and number 8), prefaced with the statement "The guys at Guangzhou and Atlantic City were pretty good, but they weren't exactly top ten players" is mindboggling for me. It just seems poorly researched.

I also find that statement "(Though if Stephano had run into MMA on his path, then that would have been quite interesting...)" odd. Does the author mean that just because Stephano didn't play MMA means we can't know if he's better or worse? I think that if you look at the games and actual gameplay, it seems that the best ZvT:ers at IPL3 were Stephano and IdrA. Lucky is a Z, and he beat MMA, with play that I personally don't think looked as polished as the two foreigners, although it was very, very good (as all Koreans going abroad are). Stephano then beat Lucky 4-0 in the final. It wasn't really close between them, 4-0 is 4-0. And considering he was on fire at IPL 3 with probably better at ZvT than Lucky, I can't really see how he would not win vs MMA in a best of 5 or 7.

It just reeks of some kind of rationalization; "yes, he won, but the best koreans weren't there... Oh, #4 and #8 on TL powerreank were there? Well they didn't play him, he only played players who beat them...."

That said, the two interviews does in my opinion save the article, making it ok, instead of outright bad. But kind of disappointing considering all the previous, excellent writeups.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 13 2011 12:00 GMT
#59
Wohoo! Go Pokebunny! Show those Koreans who's boss!
Bora Pain minha porra!
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 12:09:11
October 13 2011 12:03 GMT
#60
I really feel alot of TL staff writers lives in the year 2000 still and are used to complet korean domination from the BW era.

So in IPL there wasnt top koreans there? ok.........nutz

MaNa is one of the best protoss in EU and he is the only terran I seen beat puma offline and online.
Im so sure that Top will not beat MaNa.

Also MaNa had one of the worst PvZ in EU for a very long time until he meet Stephano and trained with him. So now Mana got a really good PvZ.

Dont be supriced if it ends in a MaNa vs DRG final and MaNa wins it.

PS. Starcraft 2 isnt broodwar alot has changed. I feel like whatever a foreign player does its a no win situation.

You beat a korean? well he was proberly jetlagged. So Stephano you won a 100k dollars tournament full of koreans? Not good enough they wasnt the best korean.

So Dimaga you beat Nestea and MVP once and JYP at IEM. Not good enough you were just lucky

So Idra you won IEM while beating Puma and revival. Not good enough idra it was proberly a match fix and revival isnt that good anyway

its really starting to look like some unconcience racisme towards the foreigner players. No matter what they do there is alllways a but or some other excuse

Plz TL writers stop living in the BW era and wake up

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