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[OSL] Jin Air OSL - Finals Preview - Page 7

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SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
September 17 2011 20:47 GMT
#121
The BW writing staff never fails to impress. Keep doing exactly what you are doing guys.
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
furerkip
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States439 Posts
September 17 2011 23:00 GMT
#122
Sickest write up I've ever read, and I don't even play BW...
Adventurekid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden505 Posts
September 17 2011 23:20 GMT
#123
So awesome!
You should build a turtle fence!
Svennedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium86 Posts
September 17 2011 23:59 GMT
#124
JANGBI JANGBI JANGBI JANGBI :p
cristo1122
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia505 Posts
September 18 2011 00:24 GMT
#125
i love u kwark but bro last time i checked u werent in the osl final ... chill the fuck out though bad mistakes were made considering the pressure of the occassion among other things it is understandable that players would not be performing at optimal ability.

I would like to add that i dont play toss so i cant rightly say wat is correct or incorrect so grain of salt grain of salt
ZvP imbalanced blizzards solution nerf terran
conTAgi0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States335 Posts
September 18 2011 03:56 GMT
#126
On September 17 2011 22:11 KwarK wrote:
I think the reason I keep getting invited back to write is because I am a genuine progaming fan who, broadly speaking, knows what's going on and shares that. When awesome shit happens and I'm incredibly hyped I try to share that emotion with you guys. Unfortunately I just didn't feel it for this tournament.

To give some background, the first OSL finals I ever watched was Anytime against Nada. Nada had been the best, a mechanical genius who destroyed all before him until his life was struck with a personal tragedy, the sudden death of his father. He stopped playing and practicing to take time with his family and disappeared off the face of progaming. A few weeks after the funeral he posted this poem.
+ Show Spoiler +
Letter to the Sky

hi this is nada~..
hows ur life goin'?
i am drunk today too~
i am living life with drinks nowdays
u know when u drink, u feel better?
i was walking in the rain after having drinks with friend in the cafe

like...

the rain that is...
father's tear..

my dad always wanted to do some business...
had many failures because of those tries...
but before all those failures
he wanted the happiness of our family...
but... he couldnt...
no... because of that 1 guy...

my dad was very healthy...
very healthy... my dad was very strong...
he wasnt skinny like me
he was big..
and strong..
he never lost vs people
and when we were living in the name of poor
my father fought with gansters only with his 2 hands...

oneday my mother came back home with all bruises over her face
my dad grabbed a metal pipe
and gone to the corporation ..
he leaped over the fence to revenge for my mom...
its like that...
thats how much he loved our family
and thats how strong he was...

but.....

the 1 guy .... drinking driving... and by illegial U-turn
dad is in the sky now...
this ...
this isnt a destiny.. its an error of destiny...
an error of the sky...
the error that never supposed to be happend...

ha.........i still feel empty...
but not a long ago... when i walked in the rain...
i felt it..
it was like...
my father's tear

i...nada...
think i have to get brave back...

i talked with my friends in Gumi(state of korea)... alot of talk...
everyone is living a hard life...
i felt it now...

i realized how happy life i am living while talking with my friends...
i realize it now... now... now i realize...

yes i have to wake up again...
having no practice now is killing me...

if i go back to seoul...
practice hard... so no one can beat me...

and for sure... i will dedicate all those winnings and honors to ..
my father...

i..
im going back ...

dont worry...

im going back to the real nada...

so








remember







i will take care of my family dad..


When you read those words, you become a Nada fan. When you read those words, you believe.

So the OSL comes around and Nada has lost his usual seed because of his break. He's got to come from the qualifiers (called the ODT in those days). He 3-0s his group. In the ro16 he drops a game. In the ro8 he 2-0s. In the semifinals he 3 fucking 0s his opponent in a one sided beatdown. And suddenly, seemingly with ease, Nada is back in the OSL finals, the most prestigious Starcraft tournament in the world, against all the odds, overcoming tragedy. He promised that he'd look after his family, that he'd become the best, that he'd win for his father and, to watch him play, you believe it.

On the other side of the stage you have Anytime, a returning champion riding the legend of the fall back when that still meant something. In the fall season one Protoss would rise above all others and smash everyone in truly inspirational style. In 2006, Anytime was that Protoss. Anytime had faced a tough road to the finals, denying Midas back when Midas was legitimately the second best Terran in the world in a fantastic 3-2 series. When Anytime stood in the booth that fall he was the embodiment of the OSL, the best the world had to offer with a tournament of victories and a list of crushed opponents to prove it.

Anytime was, logically speaking, the best in the world. He'd earned his place in the OSL finals against the toughest competition possible at the time and he already had a championship under his belt. He was experienced and he was really, really good. Also a joy to watch if that counts for anything. Furthermore Anytime had story. This was the fall and Anytime was the avatar of a tradition that stretched back to the dawn of progaming. But Nada... Nada was just indescribable. He was playing for something more than another win, more than a golden mouse (yeah, it was a golden mouse finals too), something more than a job. He was playing as a celebration of his dead father, he was playing to walk in that man's footsteps, to provide for his family like his father did, to be as strong as his father, to make him proud. When you first read a Letter to the Sky it's emotive but it's just aspirations. When you reread it a year later as Nada walks onto that stage having dropped just one game on his way to the OSL finals it's more than words. Gentlemen, this, is the OSL.

[emphasis added]When I think of the OSL I think of that. There have been other worthy OSL finals since then but I think you'd have a tough time arguing that this has anything like the story of the other.

My impression was that your primary complaint was the quality of play, since that was the focus of your criticism in this and previous posts.

Speaking of which, was the quality of play really worse in this OSL than it was back in 2005 when NaDa earned his golden mouse? I haven't been following since that far back, but my impression was that the average skill level in the pro scene has been steadily increasing since its inception (as is argued in the final edit On Waxen Wings for example). Obviously, that is at odds with the idea that the caliber of play in NaDa's 2005 OSL run would look so amazing under the same critical lens you applied to JangBi vs Flash or JangBi vs soO. I'm not trying to attack your views on the matter, I'm just curious about your thoughts on this.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 04:05:23
September 18 2011 04:04 GMT
#127
On September 17 2011 22:11 KwarK wrote:
I think the reason I keep getting invited back to write is because I am a genuine progaming fan who, broadly speaking, knows what's going on and shares that. When awesome shit happens and I'm incredibly hyped I try to share that emotion with you guys. Unfortunately I just didn't feel it for this tournament.

To give some background, the first OSL finals I ever watched was Anytime against Nada. Nada had been the best, a mechanical genius who destroyed all before him until his life was struck with a personal tragedy, the sudden death of his father. He stopped playing and practicing to take time with his family and disappeared off the face of progaming. A few weeks after the funeral he posted this poem.
+ Show Spoiler +
Letter to the Sky

hi this is nada~..
hows ur life goin'?
i am drunk today too~
i am living life with drinks nowdays
u know when u drink, u feel better?
i was walking in the rain after having drinks with friend in the cafe

like...

the rain that is...
father's tear..

my dad always wanted to do some business...
had many failures because of those tries...
but before all those failures
he wanted the happiness of our family...
but... he couldnt...
no... because of that 1 guy...

my dad was very healthy...
very healthy... my dad was very strong...
he wasnt skinny like me
he was big..
and strong..
he never lost vs people
and when we were living in the name of poor
my father fought with gansters only with his 2 hands...

oneday my mother came back home with all bruises over her face
my dad grabbed a metal pipe
and gone to the corporation ..
he leaped over the fence to revenge for my mom...
its like that...
thats how much he loved our family
and thats how strong he was...

but.....

the 1 guy .... drinking driving... and by illegial U-turn
dad is in the sky now...
this ...
this isnt a destiny.. its an error of destiny...
an error of the sky...
the error that never supposed to be happend...

ha.........i still feel empty...
but not a long ago... when i walked in the rain...
i felt it..
it was like...
my father's tear

i...nada...
think i have to get brave back...

i talked with my friends in Gumi(state of korea)... alot of talk...
everyone is living a hard life...
i felt it now...

i realized how happy life i am living while talking with my friends...
i realize it now... now... now i realize...

yes i have to wake up again...
having no practice now is killing me...

if i go back to seoul...
practice hard... so no one can beat me...

and for sure... i will dedicate all those winnings and honors to ..
my father...

i..
im going back ...

dont worry...

im going back to the real nada...

so








remember







i will take care of my family dad..


When you read those words, you become a Nada fan. When you read those words, you believe.

So the OSL comes around and Nada has lost his usual seed because of his break. He's got to come from the qualifiers (called the ODT in those days). He 3-0s his group. In the ro16 he drops a game. In the ro8 he 2-0s. In the semifinals he 3 fucking 0s his opponent in a one sided beatdown. And suddenly, seemingly with ease, Nada is back in the OSL finals, the most prestigious Starcraft tournament in the world, against all the odds, overcoming tragedy. He promised that he'd look after his family, that he'd become the best, that he'd win for his father and, to watch him play, you believe it.

On the other side of the stage you have Anytime, a returning champion riding the legend of the fall back when that still meant something. In the fall season one Protoss would rise above all others and smash everyone in truly inspirational style. In 2006, Anytime was that Protoss. Anytime had faced a tough road to the finals, denying Midas back when Midas was legitimately the second best Terran in the world in a fantastic 3-2 series. When Anytime stood in the booth that fall he was the embodiment of the OSL, the best the world had to offer with a tournament of victories and a list of crushed opponents to prove it.

Anytime was, logically speaking, the best in the world. He'd earned his place in the OSL finals against the toughest competition possible at the time and he already had a championship under his belt. He was experienced and he was really, really good. Also a joy to watch if that counts for anything. Furthermore Anytime had story. This was the fall and Anytime was the avatar of a tradition that stretched back to the dawn of progaming. But Nada... Nada was just indescribable. He was playing for something more than another win, more than a golden mouse (yeah, it was a golden mouse finals too), something more than a job. He was playing as a celebration of his dead father, he was playing to walk in that man's footsteps, to provide for his family like his father did, to be as strong as his father, to make him proud. When you first read a Letter to the Sky it's emotive but it's just aspirations. When you reread it a year later as Nada walks onto that stage having dropped just one game on his way to the OSL finals it's more than words. Gentlemen, this, is the OSL.

When I think of the OSL I think of that. There have been other worthy OSL finals since then but I think you'd have a tough time arguing that this has anything like the story of the other.

I understand where you're coming from and yes, there is probably none more moving an OSL than Nada's battle, but that's not what a news post is for.
But JangBi isn't cool and is therefore unfit to be Protoss. His current surge is just the latest fluctuation in his long career of mediocracy interspersed with sudden moments of brilliance.

It's like when right before a ZvZ finals all a news post had to say was how boring ZvZ is. A news post has one purpose: hype me for the mother fucking finals. Don't worry about your damn integrity and giving a fair opinion if your opinion is that it's gonna be crap (which obviously in retrospect it was pretty damn amazing). It's hard to live up to Nada's story, but there's still a responsibility to say every good thing you can think of if it's a news post... Otherwise it is really just a rant and I don't think that fits the spirit of what the news post is designed to do. Look at all those awesome pictures. They weren't mspaint cutouts because jangbi wasn't worthy of good hype (which is really your personal opinion, I think Jangbi has a lot of fans on this forum just from that one clip of storms).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't appreciate the time you put into your write-ups, I just want to give you my philosophy on what the spirit of a newspost is. I mean, imagine the commentators at the osl were like 'and now here comes a mediocre player, Jangbi... everyone give him a pity clap' lol. thx u really made this exciting! Luckily the finals spoke for themselves

+ Show Spoiler +
To be honest I almost never read news posts... maybe because the philosophy the writers of them here have are not in line with my own
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Kalent
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada253 Posts
September 18 2011 08:31 GMT
#128
On September 17 2011 23:30 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 17:29 nokz88 wrote:
Brillant article. I really enjoyed the semifinals reviews.

It seems to me that BW game reviews are much more detailed and shows much more strategical depth than SC2 ones. I wonder if SC2 foreign scene is still in need of in-depth game analysts.


It seems to me, at least from the English broadcasts of GSL(haven't watched any other leagues but I assume it's even more prevalent) that the tone is generally casual. None of that nitty-gritty stuff and more just broad info. The observer also doesn't try to be all over the place the way BW observers are at giving every tiny detail. It's definitely more catered to a broad audience. Whereas BW fans, even foreign BW fans, are generally into the details.

For example, I remember watching a particular TvZ in both English and Chinese. English for the high quality vods, Chinese because I can only get the Chinese stream where I live without huge buffering.
Forgot the players. But the commentary left an impression. The terran went for a 2 Rax bunker rush. And the Chinese commentators were screaming the entire time that the zerg cheated and built an extra drone or two which meant his pool would be too late to hold off the rush. While the English commentary barely mentioned the BOs until the bunker went down. To me this really shows that English commentary doesn't really care about details even when they see it easily. They just want to make it look smooth for casual viewers.


English commentators in general seem to have a lower understanding of the game than the Korean commentators IMO. Even Tastosis.

And Korean BW commentators are are just insane, their level of understanding and depth in commentating is crazy, especially commentators like Lee Seung Won of MBCGame. It's not just about small details, but it's about being able to see the flow of the game, and explaining the possible situations and scenarios. And the Korean casters are epic at hype (Like Caster Jun Yong Joon), their shouting being louder than any English cast I've heard.
Korean-Canadian who spends way too much time on Afreeca
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
September 18 2011 08:52 GMT
#129
I really want fantasy to win. He deserves it ;D
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 18 2011 13:12 GMT
#130
On September 18 2011 17:52 AudionovA wrote:
I really want fantasy to win. He deserves it ;D

So is this one of those sticking up your mid finger to Toss fan kind of thing?
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Aphasie
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway474 Posts
September 18 2011 15:50 GMT
#131
So great to finally see a toss win again! Im also really happy that jangbi got a trophy before BW shuts down.
Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
September 18 2011 17:17 GMT
#132
That was fucking BJUEJEULER!
There are three types of people in the universe: those who can count, and those who cant.
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 19:12:09
September 18 2011 18:06 GMT
#133
It felt good to learn about the game from your write up I read almost everything, it has great quality ^____^
edit: OH GOD I LOVE PVZ
wwww
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
September 20 2011 09:53 GMT
#134
I am really really dissapointed here..

When flash won his last MSL, did the most amazing thing anyone has ever done for sc-bw, there was no article at all ?And here Jangbi wins his first gold and puff, article is here..



One ring, to rule them all!
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 20 2011 10:03 GMT
#135
On September 20 2011 18:53 Samurai- wrote:
I am really really dissapointed here..

When flash won his last MSL, did the most amazing thing anyone has ever done for sc-bw, there was no article at all ?And here Jangbi wins his first gold and puff, article is here..




Wth are you biitchin about this is a finals preview...
icclown
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Denmark270 Posts
September 21 2011 13:10 GMT
#136
On September 17 2011 10:39 Mobius_1 wrote:
Dragons, rebirth, Kong lines, Royal Road, princes, crowns, dynasties and thrones.

This shit is better than A Song of Ice and Fire, and JangBi Stormborn, the First of His Name, is my one true King. Plus he's almost as cute as Daenerys, that's gotta to count for something!



I vote for JangBi Stormborn! kissed by fire
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