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On August 07 2011 11:17 Carlin wrote:
Wow, such a weak description of TL's status: "Teamkill"? You seem to enjoy using harsh words towards every other person on this planet, except for anyone involved with TL. That is a bit infuriating, imo. ;oo
Why don't you shed some light on how washed up Tyler, TLO, Jinro and Hayder has become? Amazing ignorance. Except for Sheth, TL needs some fresh, young, solid players. The fact that no one ever mentions this baffles me in these post-tourney articles.
Calling players like Tyler and TLO "washed up" just proves your ignorance regarding TL, when there are such obvious facts like how TLO's only recently returned from injury, and how this very article already mentioned how Tyler has shown that he can still perform with wins against players like Choya.
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great read. I'm still sad that my internet had to die on the first 2 days of MLG. I had to watch it at the library, but I couldn't watch it at night TT I hope the next mlg is even better
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Great write-up. Props to the writers and photographers, that's a lot of awesome content!
Thanks a bunch.
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Amazing read. Long like a TvT, exciting like ... not TvT.
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No mention of ToD and Alicia? What's up with that?
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nice writeup and i like that boxer vid!
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And this is why I dislike Liquid signing Sheth. He had a chance to really get into the Korean system but he bailed. Now I read stuff like "there is no western way about it".
Then again, apart from Huk and Jinro, all other TL players are too laid back to contribute anything significant.
It's quite sad really, the only thing westerners are really good at is delusion of self. This is not a sudden change but the culmination of a disease left unchecked. Look back at the many posts of the past and you will see many posts proclaiming that foreigners could at least give koreans a run for the money. Where are these posts now?
If you want to make it big, you better well commit like hell to it. Kudos to Huk, Nani, ThorZain, Sase for putting a lot on the line to go to korea and practice there. Same thing to the entire FXO team and FXO in general for making things happen. As far as Im concerned, all the other players who are not willing to commit fully to this can just fall to the wayside and lose. It's easy to be a good player but to be a pro? Much much harder.
I believe its time to separate the chaff from the wheat. There are many good players in the western scene but hardly any pro players. The only difference is that this definition and separation was not as obvious as it is now.
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did wbc really cannon rush almost every game?
against all races? or was it just an exaggeration
just curious, cuz i find that hilarious
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What? Rain not listed as a winner? Crush through open bracket and go 5-0 IN A GROUP WITH MMA AND RET? WUT? Then having probably the most epic TvT's ever? Rain is definitely a winner in this tournament after so many people put him down as a cheeser all those GSL's ago. Rain, IMO, is second only to Boxer in the stories of this tournament!
Anyway... besides that oversight, I ALWAYS love TL tournament writeups with all their humor and insight. WRITING TEAM HWAITING!!!
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On August 07 2011 13:26 Crissaegrim wrote:
And this is why I dislike Liquid signing Sheth. He had a chance to really get into the Korean system but he bailed. Now I read stuff like "there is no western way about it".
Then again, apart from Huk and Jinro, all other TL players are too laid back to contribute anything significant.
It's quite sad really, the only thing westerners are really good at is delusion of self. This is not a sudden change but the culmination of a disease left unchecked. Look back at the many posts of the past and you will see many posts proclaiming that foreigners could at least give koreans a run for the money. Where are these posts now?
If you want to make it big, you better well commit like hell to it. Kudos to Huk, Nani, ThorZain, Sase for putting a lot on the line to go to korea and practice there. Same thing to the entire FXO team and FXO in general for making things happen. As far as Im concerned, all the other players who are not willing to commit fully to this can just fall to the wayside and lose. It's easy to be a good player but to be a pro? Much much harder.
I believe its time to separate the chaff from the wheat. There are many good players in the western scene but hardly any pro players. The only difference is that this definition and separation was not as obvious as it is now.
... I love how quick you guys are to rail against TL... Ret nearly winning a group with MMA in it, and utterly destroying everyone else and putting up consistent results everywhere else? Haypro putting up a strong showing the group of death and making solid finishes in all tournaments he participates in? Just because there's been no recent wins, every player on TL is solid and determined. Some other teams? No, not nearly, but TL is one of the few NA teams with a powerful roster and a lot of determination
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I didnt like the us vs them concept but it was all good writing and the profiles of up and comings in the brackets plus the final photo gallery = <3333
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I still cringe from the memory of when I checked the pool and saw so many liquid players in the same pool.
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On August 07 2011 11:52 babylon wrote:ToD should definitely have been mentioned as a winner. Enjoyable read, though. 
This.
Great article but seriously needs more ToD, dudes a hero.
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On August 07 2011 13:41 ImmortalTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 13:26 Crissaegrim wrote:
And this is why I dislike Liquid signing Sheth. He had a chance to really get into the Korean system but he bailed. Now I read stuff like "there is no western way about it".
Then again, apart from Huk and Jinro, all other TL players are too laid back to contribute anything significant.
It's quite sad really, the only thing westerners are really good at is delusion of self. This is not a sudden change but the culmination of a disease left unchecked. Look back at the many posts of the past and you will see many posts proclaiming that foreigners could at least give koreans a run for the money. Where are these posts now?
If you want to make it big, you better well commit like hell to it. Kudos to Huk, Nani, ThorZain, Sase for putting a lot on the line to go to korea and practice there. Same thing to the entire FXO team and FXO in general for making things happen. As far as Im concerned, all the other players who are not willing to commit fully to this can just fall to the wayside and lose. It's easy to be a good player but to be a pro? Much much harder.
I believe its time to separate the chaff from the wheat. There are many good players in the western scene but hardly any pro players. The only difference is that this definition and separation was not as obvious as it is now. ... I love how quick you guys are to rail against TL... Ret nearly winning a group with MMA in it, and utterly destroying everyone else and putting up consistent results everywhere else? Haypro putting up a strong showing the group of death and making solid finishes in all tournaments he participates in? Just because there's been no recent wins, every player on TL is solid and determined. Some other teams? No, not nearly, but TL is one of the few NA teams with a powerful roster and a lot of determination
Fine, but I was trying to generalize. As good as TL is, they could and should be better. Why keep patting their backs if they are only going to get "solid finishes"? You make it sound like this is the best result they can achieve. These guys are 1st place competitors in every fiber of their being, everyone knows this, both you and I. That's why I dont think that "solid finishes" are meant for them. I want them to push on and push hard
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Awesome write up! MLG Anaheim was awesome, lots of epic games, favorite moment was Jinro's nuke on Choyas(?) colosi.
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cool write up, loved the ep.gimix interview :D
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On August 07 2011 11:17 Carlin wrote:
Wow, such a weak description of TL's status: "Teamkill"? You seem to enjoy using harsh words towards every other person on this planet, except for anyone involved with TL. That is a bit infuriating, imo. ;oo
Why don't you shed some light on how washed up Tyler, TLO, Jinro and Hayder has become? Amazing ignorance. Except for Sheth, TL needs some fresh, young, solid players. The fact that no one ever mentions this baffles me in these post-tourney articles.
There was a post-tourney article about TL at MLG. Look under "Liquid Team News." They may not be as harsh as you'd like, but then TL arguably had the best showing out of any foreign team. Jinro and Tyler getting far/through the open bracket is no mean achievement either.
Thanks for the recap. I thoroughly enjoyed the encouragement/warning that foreigners need to pick up the slack. I want to see more foreigner success, or my allegiance will continue to shift to Korean players, and I'm not sure how much the foreign scene would grow if foreign players become obsolete. My favorite players are already mostly Korean (MMA, MC e.g.), but I still find myself cheering for Ret, Jinro, Thorzain, and lately also Naniwa, QXC, and even Idra.
Also foreign players, take note that FXO's Korean players have been streaming, as well as SlayerS_Dragon, and they've been getting some good numbers. Streaming may not be a future source of income if enough people feel they can watch better games on a Korean's stream.
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On August 07 2011 10:25 Chocofluffy wrote:
In the winners and losers of MLG you skipped ToD ??....
Yeah... considering it was he that stopped the only Korean from getting into the championship bracket.
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On August 07 2011 14:25 RaiKageRyu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:25 Chocofluffy wrote:
In the winners and losers of MLG you skipped ToD ??.... Yeah... considering it was he that stopped the only Korean from getting into the championship bracket.
Maybe that ruined the narrative that all Koreans dominated all Foreigners.
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gimix you are now my favorite Terran. After I heard what you did on the stream, I was so happy and felt that you were a very mannered person.
gimix fighting!
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