• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:26
CEST 20:26
KST 03:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Soulkey on ASL S20 A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 General Discussion Pros React To: SoulKey's 5-Peat Challenge
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1307 users

[IEM] Balance - Page 5

Forum Index > News
149 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 19:48:22
February 27 2011 19:47 GMT
#81
On February 28 2011 04:15 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 02:03 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Morrow vs Idra Finale would be epic indeed. Too bad my ESL.TV subscrition ran off this week so I only have semi-high quality on the stream

MorroW's ZvZ is really weak though, so it would probably suck. IdrA plays in a similar way to Ret, albeit stronger, and Ret dominated MorroW's Zerg a week ago.

Now put either of them in the finals against someone else and it'll be epic as hell.

And isn't Fenix from South America?


Morrow's ZvZ isn't weak, he is one of the strongest ZvZ player outside of Korea.

Let me summarize the ZvZ against ret: Morrow did his one-base all-in against a fast expansion because it worked in his practiced matches against the build order (I think he tried it in 3 games, because he didn't want to throw away his practiced strategy). Ret's fe build was too refined, so it didn't work out. Morrow said this in the Interview.

I doubt that he will try the same all-in build again. The only map both players did the same fast expansion BO (on Metalopolis) morrow won because of better unit control. If idra plays the same way ret did, morrow probably will be prepared.

Idra is probably stronger in ZvZ, though. So I think that he will win.
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
February 27 2011 20:11 GMT
#82
Already bought my HD pass for this! 6€ is totally worth of 5 days pure gaming.
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 20:18:30
February 27 2011 20:12 GMT
#83
There is no way that MorroW has a Code S ZvZ.


I predict the winner to be either IdrA, WhiteRa, or Squirtle. I don't think anybody other than WhiteRa or Squirtle can beat IdrA in a full set, and if they do they'll be finalists. Glade is great, but I don't think his ZvP is strong enough to win a full set against them.

A lot of it will come down to how good Squirtle performs. If IdrA beats WhiteRa and Squirtle turns out to have been slightly overhyped after GSTL then IdrA is in good shape to win.
Lanaia is love.
Influ
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany780 Posts
February 27 2011 20:56 GMT
#84
On February 28 2011 05:12 Zerokaiser wrote:
There is no way that MorroW has a Code S ZvZ.


Depends...Morrow has just no clue about the metagame and you can't really blame him for that, because EU is basicly a wasteland when it comes to good zergs and I don't think morrow can train with most of these few since afaik they mainly play ladder.

Anyway, his mechanics are scary like hell, seriously he has insane micro, creep spread and everything but he is still weak at adapting fast which made him look like a fool against Ret.
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
February 27 2011 21:00 GMT
#85
Day and TLO casting? YES PLEASE
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
February 27 2011 21:11 GMT
#86
I like the flavour of the tournament, some americans, europeans and a few koreans + 1 aussie innit mate?

Then 4 of each race, just a nice combo to make sure you get varied games with top talent and great casters to promote that talent

I just hope there will be only a few technical difficulties and we get a great tourney
★ Top Gun ★
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 21:23:13
February 27 2011 21:15 GMT
#87
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I think the some of the Euro players have caught up with Idra and have a very good chance of knocking him out of contention early. I'll take White-Ra, QXC, and Squirtle for the top three, with Idra, Sjow and Morrow at their heels..

And were the groups drawn randomly? Group A seems a LOT tougher than B..
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
February 27 2011 21:16 GMT
#88
Can't wait for this, should be a blast. Since Assembly I've been watching GSL so this should be a good change indeed.

Thanks for the writeup.
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
infey
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada64 Posts
February 27 2011 21:21 GMT
#89
Squirtle + IdrA hwaiting!
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
February 27 2011 21:23 GMT
#90
I'd kill to see a MorroW vs IdrA show down again! And TLO as a caster .. what more could you ask for?

The Koreans should also do pretty well; Squirtle and Ace showed some impressive skills in GSTL and Code A..

At the end of the day i see Sjow, White Ra or IdrA taking this one..

In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
February 27 2011 21:47 GMT
#91
My wild random bet is on White-Ra for group A (with Idra getting taken out by him or QXC) and SjoW for group B (taking it from Squirtle), with White-Ra for the win
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
PuercoPop
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Peru277 Posts
February 27 2011 21:50 GMT
#92
Fenix Hwaiting!
The Proof of the Pudding is in the eating!
iLuminar
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom42 Posts
February 27 2011 22:08 GMT
#93
If you buy the HD access, there are VODs posted yea? Just might not be able to watch many games live, so hoping they post the VODs onsite instead of just adding a replay etc
Mercadia
Profile Joined December 2010
United States257 Posts
February 27 2011 22:10 GMT
#94
I'm really looking forward to this^^ I'm a fan of Rotti's casting.

Also, I laughed my ass off at Three Koreans and an Aussie
robice
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Germany114 Posts
February 27 2011 22:25 GMT
#95
To the creator of the front page picture: Have a second look on the map, there is no Hanover in Germany
Sephimos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States144 Posts
February 27 2011 22:26 GMT
#96
Morrow doesn't stand a chance vs Idra, to be kind. Ret is worse than Idra and Ret dominated Morrow's face 2 weeks ago.
You see!! YOU SEEEEE!! -Sen
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
February 27 2011 22:43 GMT
#97
On February 28 2011 07:26 Sephimos wrote:
Morrow doesn't stand a chance vs Idra, to be kind. Ret is worse than Idra and Ret dominated Morrow's face 2 weeks ago.


The way i see it, Ret simply won because hes build was better. He only needed to get roaches out and that's it. There was not much of effort done for the wins. One game where Ret didn't open with the same build he lost. Morrow just microed better and won that game.

Clare
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States372 Posts
February 27 2011 22:44 GMT
#98
qxc, Fenix + IdrA going to crush Euro and KR face.
The dashboard melted but we still had the radio.
Sephimos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States144 Posts
February 27 2011 22:47 GMT
#99
On February 28 2011 07:43 Steamroller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 07:26 Sephimos wrote:
Morrow doesn't stand a chance vs Idra, to be kind. Ret is worse than Idra and Ret dominated Morrow's face 2 weeks ago.


The way i see it, Ret simply won because hes build was better. He only needed to get roaches out and that's it. There was not much of effort done for the wins. One game where Ret didn't open with the same build he lost. Morrow just microed better and won that game.



Ret was better. Morrow glided through the easier side of the bracket and hit a brick wall in the Finals. His ZvZ wasn't bad, it was awful. Ret was a quantum leap ahead of him in the metagame.

What kind of argument is that anyway? "It's just that his build was better"? This game is 90% having "a better build", adapting to your enemy and being solid like Ret is.

User was warned for this post
You see!! YOU SEEEEE!! -Sen
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
February 27 2011 22:50 GMT
#100
On February 28 2011 07:47 Sephimos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 07:43 Steamroller wrote:
On February 28 2011 07:26 Sephimos wrote:
Morrow doesn't stand a chance vs Idra, to be kind. Ret is worse than Idra and Ret dominated Morrow's face 2 weeks ago.


The way i see it, Ret simply won because hes build was better. He only needed to get roaches out and that's it. There was not much of effort done for the wins. One game where Ret didn't open with the same build he lost. Morrow just microed better and won that game.



Ret was better. Morrow glided through the easier side of the bracket and hit a brick wall in the Finals. His ZvZ wasn't bad, it was awful. Ret was a quantum leap ahead of him in the metagame.

What kind of argument is that anyway? "It's just that his build was better"? This game is 90% having "a better build", adapting to your enemy and being solid like Ret is.

lolz easier side of the bracket???
Kas, TLO, Tarson, Socke vs Sase, Naniwa, Pomi, Adelscott ???
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 34m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 157
JuggernautJason47
MindelVK 44
IndyStarCraft 42
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25605
Calm 2462
Rain 1780
Bisu 1327
Shuttle 614
Larva 368
BeSt 367
Dewaltoss 104
Rock 18
Hm[arnc] 10
Dota 2
qojqva4348
Dendi1820
Fuzer 265
XcaliburYe167
boxi9869
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1024
flusha165
fl0m127
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu212
Other Games
gofns27595
tarik_tv25268
Grubby2714
FrodaN1566
Beastyqt695
Hui .244
B2W.Neo228
ToD201
ArmadaUGS106
QueenE86
Trikslyr62
NeuroSwarm36
C9.Mang027
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 25 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 32
• poizon28 21
• Reevou 6
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix13
• 80smullet 8
• Pr0nogo 5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3924
• masondota21203
• lizZardDota258
League of Legends
• Nemesis5511
• TFBlade759
Other Games
• imaqtpie641
• WagamamaTV386
• Scarra219
• Shiphtur195
Upcoming Events
OSC
34m
Cure vs Iba
MaxPax vs Lemon
Gerald vs ArT
Solar vs goblin
Nicoract vs TBD
Spirit vs Percival
Cham vs TBD
ByuN vs Jumy
RSL Revival
15h 34m
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
Map Test Tournament
16h 34m
The PondCast
18h 34m
RSL Revival
1d 15h
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.