EPTDamn you Blizzard. They have to make running a tournament the size of this magnitude that much harder.
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StarStruck
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Damn you Blizzard. They have to make running a tournament the size of this magnitude that much harder. -_- | ||
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Tyrran
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 02 2011 06:28 RyanRushia wrote: checked the OP but didn't wade through 37 pages of responses... if we have both EU and NA accounts can our points from tem be accumulated into one score? or since imf rom NA will only my NA scores count? Your ladder score will be taken from both your EU and NA results. | ||
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StarStruck
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Plaaguu
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mindspike
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On January 02 2011 05:55 travis wrote: I have no clue who is going to be invited, but I think odds are at least a couple of them will be liquid players, and i am sure idra will be invited because he is one of the most consistent top players and has performed well in other TSLs. Jinro clearly deserves to be invited, and I suspect ret would be invited as he made code A and also has a history of good performances in TSLs. Now guess what, if haypro, or huk, or idra or one of the other liquid players isn't invited then THEY HAVE NO WAY TO QUALIFY. so it's not like there is no downside for them. which sucks because im sure all of them aree good enough to qualify. I for sure think Idra, Huk, Jinro and Ret should be invited and I will be very disappointed if they are not since they are some of the best EU/US have to offer. Its just with TL running both the tournament and the team most of these guys are on, it can make it look suspicious that these guy ends of haveing an easier time getting into the tournament should they be invited. I do however think that were these guys not on the TL team they would still be invite since they are the best EU/US.(Well if they get invite) | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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datscilly
United States528 Posts
On January 02 2011 05:34 travis wrote: wtf does it matter if they are asian or not. the issue is where they are based. jesus christ this isn't the olympics where nationality matters this is an e-sport where you log on the freakin internet and play the game dude, what does it matter if they are citizens of the country not wtf does that have to do with ANYTHING what does it matter if they speak english obviously most asians will not have secondary accounts to play on EU with ..... or are you actually just saying that ONLY the white guys in korea should have to log onto EU at weird times to spend hours upon hours trying to qualify with only half the qualifiers as opportunities despite there being numerous koreans(some of them in the house with them) that could easily be doing the same thing? StarStruck is speaking from the information given in the TSL3 General FAQ: Why don't you allow everyone including Chinese/Koreans to join the TL Opens on US/EU? We would have preferred doing something for everyone, but we have to be realistic. We are not ready and capable to deal with a hundred progamers playing our US-EU Open tournaments on borrowed accounts without us having a clue who is who. Such a tournament would be a logistical nightmare, with many players not able to communicate with their opponents or admins. From our standpoint it is a choice between an invite system for Korea / Asia or no players from there at all, so we chose invites. The FAQ states that the reason Chinese/Koreans are excluded from TL Opens, is because of a serious logistical and communication problem. Since English speaking progamers in Korea do not have this problem, it makes sense that they would be allowed to compete in TL Opens. Your last paragraph brings up a good point. There is no completely fair way to do this (how to handle such players), while having Asian players in the TSL. + Show Spoiler [Different point here] + Invitation may be too powerful a mechanism. It's like winning a tournament (well, a qualifying tournament) for free. If it's possible, better would be a smaller tournament that TL manpower can handle. That way, players would have to play for their spot. I'm sure there's enough TL translators / other Korean speakers to be able to run a smaller tournament. To be explicit, this is still an invite, or to better call it, a half-invite, compared to the current system. An open would be too big to handle. | ||
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SweetNJoshSauce
United States468 Posts
I'd figure at the very least Idra and Jinro would be invited | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On January 02 2011 07:03 SweetNJoshSauce wrote: Sorry if this has been asked, but this topic is 37 pages long: When it says 13 Korean players will be invited does that mean people of Korean descent, or 13 people playing on the Korean server? I'd figure at the very least Idra and Jinro would be invited I'm fairly sure it was KR server. | ||
Myles
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Liquid`Nazgul
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In the end Bnet has given us so many complications that for every decision we make there are like a thousand factors we need to deal with. One of the factors is that you cannot play at EU if you are in Asia. Then you may argue well just allow EU players in the EU TL Opens and US plus the guys from the Korean server in the TL Open US tournaments, but then you put the US players heavily at a disadvantage because they suddenly get met with a huge increase in skill level for their qualifiers, while the TL Open EU ones remain the same. Then you may argue well only host TL Open US then, but then it puts the US players at an advantage over the Europeans. As you can see it is very complicated to deal with all the server problems, and we are confident that considering all factors the system we have come up with is the most reasonable. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On January 02 2011 07:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: A piece of the puzzle that made us decide not to have Chinese/Koreans/Taiwanese in our US/EU TL Opens is the fact that Korea-EU is completely unplayable, and that these players would not be able to play the EU qualifiers at all. This is a minor reason considering logistics being the prime reason, before lag even becomes a consideration. When you talk about the English speaking progamers having to play the TL Opens a major reason for not doing it that way is because they don't have a shot in the EU TL Opens and thus would not have a fair shot at making it through. Hence they are up for consideration of our invites. In the end Bnet has given us so many complications that for every decision we make there are like a thousand factors we need to deal with. One of the factors is that you cannot play at EU if you are in Asia. i thought it was NA that u can't play so it's EU that has the major lag troubles? well either way i knew it was one of them lol | ||
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StarStruck
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On January 02 2011 07:01 travis wrote: yeah honestly i would love to have idra + all the liquid guys in it, but i also would understand people then complaining about favoritism One of the reasons they should still compete in the Opens if they have the time to do so. Insurance! Yeah, travis now I'm more confused too, lol. Either way, you never know what can happen because there is no consistency between the servers (MLG Dallas is a good example of this). That and every Open takes around 8+ hours to run. You never know what the latency can be like on any given day. Naz is there any word of how you plan on dividing seeds 4-32? Or are you guys still in the planning stages of that? | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
NA-EU is playable KR-EU is not playable The bracket will be randomly generated after placing the 3 seeds at opposite ends of the bracket. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
At least this way, in the RO32, Western pros only have to take out a few Koreans, not 10 each time they attempt to qualify. | ||
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Divine-Sneaker
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 02 2011 07:21 hmunkey wrote: The way I see it is this: They could create a new open in Korea, but that would be a logistical nightmare. So instead, they could allow the Koreans to compete in the NA/EU ones. Barring all lag issues, this would mean Koreans would be making up a huge number of players in the Western opens and having Western players win would be a huge stretch. Imagine if half the players in every TLOpen were from the top Korean teams. Even most of our pros wouldn't be able to take them all out. At least this way, in the RO32, Western pros only have to take out a few Koreans, not 10 each time they attempt to qualify. We have explained why we can't do this in the FAQ. Having 200 smurfing pros in the NA TLopen is a logistical nightmare. | ||
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annYeong(o11)
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