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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 01 2011 21:34 GMT
#721
That's another good question.

Damn you Blizzard. They have to make running a tournament the size of this magnitude that much harder.

-_-
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
January 01 2011 21:37 GMT
#722
I'm wondering, any chance of seeing custom maps used in the tournament ?
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 01 2011 21:38 GMT
#723
On January 02 2011 06:28 RyanRushia wrote:
checked the OP but didn't wade through 37 pages of responses... if we have both EU and NA accounts can our points from tem be accumulated into one score? or since imf rom NA will only my NA scores count?

Your ladder score will be taken from both your EU and NA results.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 01 2011 21:43 GMT
#724
Won't happen Tyrran. They already announced the map pool and I don't see it changing anytime soon until all other major tournaments use different maps.
Plaaguu
Profile Joined April 2009
United States406 Posts
January 01 2011 21:57 GMT
#725
YES! So excited to watch this!!
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
January 01 2011 21:58 GMT
#726
Isn't lag an issue playing across 3 continents?
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
January 01 2011 21:59 GMT
#727
On January 02 2011 05:55 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2011 05:48 TaKemE wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 02 2011 05:34 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2011 05:17 StarStruck wrote:
If they were able to play in the TL opens u know what? it'd be a hell of a lot more than 13 players from korea. there would be almost none of ur favorite europeans/north americans. so actually THINK about the merits of this format.


No, travis. There is a misunderstanding. We're talking about Chinese, Taiwanese and Korean players here. Not the pro's of other nationalities living in Korea. It's a thin line.


why? thats totally unfair

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I hope you realize how ridiculous this statement is. We know there aren't qualifiers for the Chinese and Koreans. That doesn't include players of other nationalities like I said before. HuK is still a Canadian citizen the same way IdrA is an American citizen. They have competed many times in many other foreign tournaments with minor problems. You can call it reverse racism all you want, but we're talking about equal opportunity here (no pun intended). The lat going from Europe to the Asia server really isn't that bad. Players like IdrA and ret for instance, should have no problem qualifying for the tournament. Yet, they are receiving the same treatment as players who earned their spots like Tyler and Mondi. Of the three players I mentioned only one of them qualified for the next GSL.


wtf does it matter if they are asian or not. the issue is where they are based. jesus christ
this isn't the olympics where nationality matters this is an e-sport where you log on the freakin internet and play the game

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I have no problem with inviting players from the Asia as long as they:

- citizens of their country
- don't speak English
- don't have access to the Europe Server(lat is ok)/ NA (lat is dreadful)
- other network problems not allowing them to compete

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. It's TL's tournament after all. I'm really interested to see how you guys go about selecting the actual Koreans/Chinese/Taiwanese/etc. players.


dude, what does it matter if they are citizens of the country not
wtf does that have to do with ANYTHING

what does it matter if they speak english
obviously most asians will not have secondary accounts to play on EU with

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



i can't believe ur actually suggesting that tl should somehow find out whether or not each individual KR server player is able to log onto EU and play in qualifers and then only invite OTHER players. how do you not see how incredibly unfeasable/stupid that is

or are you actually just saying that ONLY the white guys in korea should have to log onto EU at weird times to spend hours upon hours trying to qualify with only half the qualifiers as opportunities despite there being numerous koreans(some of them in the house with them) that could easily be doing the same thing?




edit: i went through and edited out all my caps. u successfully frustrated the hell out of me


"""""wtf does it matter if they are asian or not. the issue is where they are based""""

So are you saying the EU/NA players (Jinro, ret, huk, idra and haypro) in korea will not have a higher chance of being one of those 13 invited then other top koreans.


I have no clue who is going to be invited, but I think odds are at least a couple of them will be liquid players, and i am sure idra will be invited because he is one of the most consistent top players and has performed well in other TSLs. Jinro clearly deserves to be invited, and I suspect ret would be invited as he made code A and also has a history of good performances in TSLs.

Now guess what, if haypro, or huk, or idra or one of the other liquid players isn't invited then THEY HAVE NO WAY TO QUALIFY. so it's not like there is no downside for them. which sucks because im sure all of them aree good enough to qualify.


I for sure think Idra, Huk, Jinro and Ret should be invited and I will be very disappointed if they are not since they are some of the best EU/US have to offer.

Its just with TL running both the tournament and the team most of these guys are on, it can make it look suspicious that these guy ends of haveing an easier time getting into the tournament should they be invited. I do however think that were these guys not on the TL team they would still be invite since they are the best EU/US.(Well if they get invite)
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 01 2011 22:01 GMT
#728
yeah honestly i would love to have idra + all the liquid guys in it, but i also would understand people then complaining about favoritism
datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States528 Posts
January 01 2011 22:02 GMT
#729
On January 02 2011 05:34 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2011 05:17 StarStruck wrote:

I hope you realize how ridiculous this statement is. We know there aren't qualifiers for the Chinese and Koreans. That doesn't include players of other nationalities like I said before. HuK is still a Canadian citizen the same way IdrA is an American citizen. They have competed many times in many other foreign tournaments with minor problems. You can call it reverse racism all you want, but we're talking about equal opportunity here (no pun intended). The lat going from Europe to the Asia server really isn't that bad. Players like IdrA and ret for instance, should have no problem qualifying for the tournament. Yet, they are receiving the same treatment as players who earned their spots like Tyler and Mondi. Of the three players I mentioned only one of them qualified for the next GSL.


wtf does it matter if they are asian or not. the issue is where they are based. jesus christ
this isn't the olympics where nationality matters this is an e-sport where you log on the freakin internet and play the game

Show nested quote +

I have no problem with inviting players from the Asia as long as they:

- citizens of their country
- don't speak English
- don't have access to the Europe Server(lat is ok)/ NA (lat is dreadful)
- other network problems not allowing them to compete

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. It's TL's tournament after all. I'm really interested to see how you guys go about selecting the actual Koreans/Chinese/Taiwanese/etc. players.


dude, what does it matter if they are citizens of the country not
wtf does that have to do with ANYTHING

what does it matter if they speak english
obviously most asians will not have secondary accounts to play on EU with

.....

or are you actually just saying that ONLY the white guys in korea should have to log onto EU at weird times to spend hours upon hours trying to qualify with only half the qualifiers as opportunities despite there being numerous koreans(some of them in the house with them) that could easily be doing the same thing?


StarStruck is speaking from the information given in the TSL3 General FAQ:

Why don't you allow everyone including Chinese/Koreans to join the TL Opens on US/EU?

We would have preferred doing something for everyone, but we have to be realistic. We are not ready and capable to deal with a hundred progamers playing our US-EU Open tournaments on borrowed accounts without us having a clue who is who. Such a tournament would be a logistical nightmare, with many players not able to communicate with their opponents or admins.

From our standpoint it is a choice between an invite system for Korea / Asia or no players from there at all, so we chose invites.


The FAQ states that the reason Chinese/Koreans are excluded from TL Opens, is because of a serious logistical and communication problem. Since English speaking progamers in Korea do not have this problem, it makes sense that they would be allowed to compete in TL Opens. Your last paragraph brings up a good point. There is no completely fair way to do this (how to handle such players), while having Asian players in the TSL.

+ Show Spoiler [Different point here] +

Invitation may be too powerful a mechanism. It's like winning a tournament (well, a qualifying tournament) for free. If it's possible, better would be a smaller tournament that TL manpower can handle. That way, players would have to play for their spot. I'm sure there's enough TL translators / other Korean speakers to be able to run a smaller tournament. To be explicit, this is still an invite, or to better call it, a half-invite, compared to the current system. An open would be too big to handle.


SweetNJoshSauce
Profile Joined July 2010
United States468 Posts
January 01 2011 22:03 GMT
#730
Sorry if this has been asked, but this topic is 37 pages long: When it says 13 Korean players will be invited does that mean people of Korean descent, or 13 people playing on the Korean server?

I'd figure at the very least Idra and Jinro would be invited
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
January 01 2011 22:05 GMT
#731
On January 02 2011 07:03 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked, but this topic is 37 pages long: When it says 13 Korean players will be invited does that mean people of Korean descent, or 13 people playing on the Korean server?

I'd figure at the very least Idra and Jinro would be invited

I'm fairly sure it was KR server.
the farm ends here
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 22:09:33
January 01 2011 22:08 GMT
#732
If people are worried about favoritism and fairness then I think the best way to handle the invites is simply invite all the top GSL players and take the highest ranked of who accepts.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 22:36:25
January 01 2011 22:11 GMT
#733
A piece of the puzzle that made us decide not to have Chinese/Koreans/Taiwanese in our US/EU TL Opens is the fact that Korea-EU is completely unplayable, and that these players would not be able to play the EU qualifiers at all. This is a minor reason considering logistics being the prime reason, before lag even becomes a consideration. When you talk about the English speaking progamers having to play the TL Opens, a major reason for not doing it that way is because they don't have a shot in the EU TL Opens, and thus would not have a fair shot at making it through. Hence they are up for consideration of our invites.

In the end Bnet has given us so many complications that for every decision we make there are like a thousand factors we need to deal with. One of the factors is that you cannot play at EU if you are in Asia.

Then you may argue well just allow EU players in the EU TL Opens and US plus the guys from the Korean server in the TL Open US tournaments, but then you put the US players heavily at a disadvantage because they suddenly get met with a huge increase in skill level for their qualifiers, while the TL Open EU ones remain the same. Then you may argue well only host TL Open US then, but then it puts the US players at an advantage over the Europeans. As you can see it is very complicated to deal with all the server problems, and we are confident that considering all factors the system we have come up with is the most reasonable.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 01 2011 22:12 GMT
#734
On January 02 2011 07:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
A piece of the puzzle that made us decide not to have Chinese/Koreans/Taiwanese in our US/EU TL Opens is the fact that Korea-EU is completely unplayable, and that these players would not be able to play the EU qualifiers at all. This is a minor reason considering logistics being the prime reason, before lag even becomes a consideration. When you talk about the English speaking progamers having to play the TL Opens a major reason for not doing it that way is because they don't have a shot in the EU TL Opens and thus would not have a fair shot at making it through. Hence they are up for consideration of our invites.

In the end Bnet has given us so many complications that for every decision we make there are like a thousand factors we need to deal with. One of the factors is that you cannot play at EU if you are in Asia.


i thought it was NA that u can't play

so it's EU that has the major lag troubles?

well either way i knew it was one of them lol
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 22:22:34
January 01 2011 22:15 GMT
#735
On January 02 2011 07:01 travis wrote:
yeah honestly i would love to have idra + all the liquid guys in it, but i also would understand people then complaining about favoritism


One of the reasons they should still compete in the Opens if they have the time to do so. Insurance!

Yeah, travis now I'm more confused too, lol.

Either way, you never know what can happen because there is no consistency between the servers (MLG Dallas is a good example of this). That and every Open takes around 8+ hours to run. You never know what the latency can be like on any given day.

Naz is there any word of how you plan on dividing seeds 4-32? Or are you guys still in the planning stages of that?
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 22:22:15
January 01 2011 22:20 GMT
#736
KR-NA is playable
NA-EU is playable
KR-EU is not playable

The bracket will be randomly generated after placing the 3 seeds at opposite ends of the bracket.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
January 01 2011 22:21 GMT
#737
The way I see it is this: They could create a new open in Korea, but that would be a logistical nightmare. So instead, they could allow the Koreans to compete in the NA/EU ones. Barring all lag issues, this would mean Koreans would be making up a huge number of players in the Western opens and having Western players win would be a huge stretch. Imagine if half the players in every TLOpen were from the top Korean teams. Even most of our pros wouldn't be able to take them all out.

At least this way, in the RO32, Western pros only have to take out a few Koreans, not 10 each time they attempt to qualify.
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
January 01 2011 22:22 GMT
#738
This is fucking awesome. Looking forward to this shit.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 01 2011 22:23 GMT
#739
On January 02 2011 07:21 hmunkey wrote:
The way I see it is this: They could create a new open in Korea, but that would be a logistical nightmare. So instead, they could allow the Koreans to compete in the NA/EU ones. Barring all lag issues, this would mean Koreans would be making up a huge number of players in the Western opens and having Western players win would be a huge stretch. Imagine if half the players in every TLOpen were from the top Korean teams. Even most of our pros wouldn't be able to take them all out.

At least this way, in the RO32, Western pros only have to take out a few Koreans, not 10 each time they attempt to qualify.

We have explained why we can't do this in the FAQ. Having 200 smurfing pros in the NA TLopen is a logistical nightmare.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
annYeong(o11)
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada784 Posts
January 01 2011 22:24 GMT
#740
So happy, TSLs show the height to which Starcraft can reach when you have an amzing game, a community of admirers, and a site deticated to making that community the best it can be.

Founder of the KiWiKaKi Fanclub: teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188537 my keyboard is like half broken. like terran. please ignore typos, thanks
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