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On December 14 2010 01:42 KissBlade wrote:
I think I've found less biased write ups on youtube videos. Sigh teamliquid ... I've been following you since you detached from broodwar.com and blossomed into your own. I've been following starcraft before battlereports.com was killed by the advent of replays. Now my new browsers don't even have you among the favorite tabs anymore because people get bitched out/banned for telling it how it is. That this site has degraded to a bunch of nonsense whiners and a team that caters to these no skill whiners.
Only the ratings of games are biased, the recaps are just an account of what happened in the game. It's not like the author is calling TSL_rain a cheesy faggot in every sentence.
Ok, maybe player ratings are biased as well, but overall it's a pretty accurate of what happened in that set.
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I haven't seen the games, but did Jinro deserve a B?
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Good reviews. Sure they are somewhat biased but cmon..atleast they have a reason for it.
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On December 13 2010 17:52 andrewwiggin wrote:
Im sorry but.. you gave Rain, the winner in his matches against NesTea... a lower ranking than NesTea? =/
Undeserved I think.
And Jinro's play was pretty horrible imo. I stayed up all night to watch those games... and yes MC was extremely good. But Jinro was also extremely..baad.
2c.
NesTea basically outplayed the guy. It's just no zerg, not even god almighty, really knows hwo to deal with all scvs + marines without banelings rofl.
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On December 13 2010 22:55 Xxio wrote:
Guys, the ratings are meant to be biased. They are ratings, how could they not be? If you want objectivity read the recaps themselves. Please tell me if you find those biased. If they are, then we have a problem I need to fix.
That said, I see I ranked some games based on entertainment value not the star system, so I'll change some 0 stars to 2 stars and whatever else needs tweaking.
Glad you guys uh, enjoyed it.
I personally agreed with most of the ratings you gave, but since people like to bitch about it I would just stop giving ratings for individual games.
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Normally I would never comment on your ratings since i usually find them great! But I find it kind of bad form to give the loser of a series a higher rating than the winner. Although Nestea did show he was more competent in late game situations, the early game matters equally as much, if not more since the early game always takes place. Can't be ignored. Even though zerg might be in a bad place against the situation, it still affects the gameplay and how zerg should react.
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Nestea got to the dumbest player I have seen in pros...He kept going the same strategy when being cheesed. he gets a higher grade than Rain, is stupid. Rain beat him fair and square cheese or no cheese. Rain is good and probably will keep on beating Nestea the next time they play. He can't change his play in mid swing and that is why he will lose every time.
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I think Jinro deserved C for his semi, not B.
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On December 13 2010 21:15 goldfishs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 17:44 Danjoh wrote:I love Jinro just as much as the next guy... but giving him a B for that performance seems a bit biased. + Show Spoiler +He got taken out so damn fast it's hard to judge his performance, and every single game MC seemed to know exactly what he was doing and conjure up the perfect counter strategy. Even the last game, but Jinro managed to get that into a basetrade match...
And bringing up his rating based on that his opponent was of much higher caliber just seems wrong. But that's just another mans opinion! + Show Spoiler +If you take other factions in your calculations then the gametime elapsed you'll see that he played very solid up till the moment he lost to perfect timing push's. Doing exellent moves and Jinro's builds were executed flawlessly, just that they got hardcountered most of the time before he could reap.(He played B- imo but come'n it's not like the they gave him a A+)
His openings weren't solid at all, otherwise they'd have been able to hold off FE's and have better timings worked out...? If your opening build isn't safe vs hyperaggression, and more than 50% of Toss opens with hyperaggression, then adjust your goddamn build.
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On December 14 2010 04:05 Coolness53 wrote:
Nestea got to the dumbest player I have seen in pros...He kept going the same strategy when being cheesed. he gets a higher grade than Rain, is stupid. Rain beat him fair and square cheese or no cheese. Rain is good and probably will keep on beating Nestea the next time they play. He can't change his play in mid swing and that is why he will lose every time.
What do you do if you expect a 2rax push? You do the best possible counter to 2rax push - which is a 14 hatch. It's just that a properly executed 2rax beats 14 hatch.
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On December 14 2010 06:58 fdsdfg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 04:05 Coolness53 wrote:
Nestea got to the dumbest player I have seen in pros...He kept going the same strategy when being cheesed. he gets a higher grade than Rain, is stupid. Rain beat him fair and square cheese or no cheese. Rain is good and probably will keep on beating Nestea the next time they play. He can't change his play in mid swing and that is why he will lose every time. What do you do if you expect a 2rax push? You do the best possible counter to 2rax push - which is a 14 hatch. It's just that a properly executed 2rax beats 14 hatch.
He still could have made more spines. Which is irrelevant to the opening build. I feel as if IdrA is overexaggerating the effect of making a second spine crawler putting you "way behind." This is for a different timing of course than the "hit after the hatchery finishes."
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TSL RAIN FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!
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wierd how clide vs leenock was probably the best series, by far better than the finals will be and it was in ro 64
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This series shows that NesTea is clearly better than Rain in decision making
Wait, so going 14 Hatch every single game against a "cheeser" is a good decision? We can all agree that NesTea is better in macro, timings, and mechanics, but not decision making, at least not in that game.
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Biased much? That was a terrible report, I usually like the ones for BW but this was basically saying what the majority was thinking and I think the majority is drunk on rage against cheese and foreigner love.
On December 14 2010 08:12 Kazzabiss wrote:Show nested quote +This series shows that NesTea is clearly better than Rain in decision making Wait, so going 14 Hatch every single game against a "cheeser" is a good decision? We can all agree that NesTea is better in macro, timings, and mechanics, but not decision making, at least not in that game.
Someone's going to quote ret or IdrA and make you believe that their word is god and 14 hatch is the safest build everrrrrrrrr.
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In my opinion, the semifinal match between Jinro and Iron is a bit biased. Jinro did not display his B performance early in his games. His performance should be a C+
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Sorry, but the ratings for the games and the players are very biased. I expected better :\
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I agree with the others. This whole thing reeks of something that should be an Op-Ed article, not a news article for archive. Defeating the reigning GSL champion by using the tools of your disposal is C-? lmao. And 3 stars for a 4-0 shutout where Jinro had no chance of winning at any moment whatsoever?? lol
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I think the OP had just watched idra's recent interview and decided that rain and hongUn were bad. I still don't like rain. I don't know about the ratings as it seems kinda biased to give a player a worse rating for winning, but scv all inning shows that your a douche.
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On December 13 2010 22:55 Xxio wrote:
Guys, the ratings are meant to be biased. They are ratings, how could they not be? If you want objectivity read the recaps themselves. Please tell me if you find those biased. If they are, then we have a problem I need to fix.
That said, I see I ranked some games based on entertainment value not the star system, so I'll change some 0 stars to 2 stars and whatever else needs tweaking.
Glad you guys uh, enjoyed it.
Hey, still appreciate it man. Don't want to come off as complaining. The ratings were just, uh, eye-brow raising. Even if Rain played very cheesy, it's hard to give NesTea a higher rating if NesTeas wasn't even able to hold off the cheese. And I love Jinro and all, but you got to admit, if it wasn't Jinro playing those games you definately wouldn't have given that sort of play a "B".
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