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oprandom
Profile Joined November 2010
United States33 Posts
December 15 2010 00:03 GMT
#101
Ret and Idra keep getting quoted when they have always gone hatch first regardless of what their opponent does. And they both lost hard against 2rax, so that blows up their theory. BTW Ret went 2W3L in the tiebreakers for code A, making him tied for last place in the top 64. I'd take July Zerg's opinion over Ret and Idra anyday and he has no trouble going pool first.

Finally, people keep misquoting Idra. Their conclusion was pool first is vulnerable to a completely different strat which is double bunker wall ins at the ramp, not that it was the only way to beat 2 rax. And the only reason players like Ret and Idra are vulnerable is they always blind hatch 1st without a scout and without a drone to spare. All it takes to defeat double bunker is *a single drone*. They won't even spare that.
I will random you
eddytlaw
Profile Joined November 2010
United States102 Posts
December 15 2010 00:22 GMT
#102
Yeah i have to agree with what the majority of you are saying...Jinro, by all means, a great fucking player..but he dropped those 4 games like fucking pennies.
I fantasized about this back in Chicago.
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 00:31:56
December 15 2010 00:31 GMT
#103
About Rain: I watch the entire Rain vs Hongun set, and neither player really impressed me much. Their mechanics didn't seem to be as solid as many other pros I'm used to watching. If Rain gets a lower rating than Nestea even for winning that set, I'm guessing that's fine (I didn't see that set so I can't say).

Jinro, on the other hand, in no way deserved that B rating.

From the Jinro interview:

How would you describe what happened today?

What Minchul always tells me: "You early game chobo, late game gosu." Also, I thought I'd need to take economic risks to get ahead macro wise, but it turns out vs what he had planned I'd been better off being super safe... oh well.

So there you have it: early game chobo. I think (I watched this set as well, and the Jinro vs Choya) the main problem was him taking "economic risks" when he should have been delaying his natural. Jinro is my favorite Terran player right now, but he should have gotten a D or F for that set, or at the very leas Xxio could have just declined to give a rating because that set was so hard to judge.

May Jinro learn from his mistakes! Go Jinro!!!
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
Liquid_Adun
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada205 Posts
December 15 2010 00:31 GMT
#104
Hatch first deserves to be risky just like cc or nex first. No race deserves to be handed the best economic opener without risk. Seeing idra rage QQ makes his games interesting.
I have returned.
SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
December 15 2010 12:23 GMT
#105
As much as I'd love to see a Terran win, MC looks so strong at all points in his game, I think if given the chance Rain could pull off a few close wins but otherwise MC is going to drop the hammer as usual.

That said I don't really know who I want to win so...

Gogo Rain and MC fightinggggg!! (each other)
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
December 15 2010 14:20 GMT
#106
Has NesTea not heard of the 11 pool opening? It is economically just marginally weaker then 14 hatch (150 mins at the 7min mark) but so much more flexible.
Noob.
Wir haben zuwenig Vespingas!
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
December 17 2010 11:14 GMT
#107
giving only a 2 star on HongUnPrime vs FruitDealer on game 4 @ Lost Temple is a bit strange, I thought that was one amazing defensive situation HongUnPrime was in and he managed to win! I was so pumped that game I had chills. I would personally have rated it a 4/5 but not a 2.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
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