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[LP] The Tale of Mysterion

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[LP] The Tale of Mysterion

Text byPholon
Graphics bydisciple
November 15th, 2010 20:35 GMT
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Liquipedia Weekly #11


The Tale of Mysterion
or Why You Need to Log In


Once upon a time in a land far far away an article was made. Its name was Worker Rush. There wasn't much to it. Giving the advice on how to best perform this strategy, it read:

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Even though Worker Rushes are a serious concern to many a Bronze lad, the article angered the LiquiGods. Their vengeful wrath descended on the luckless page, manifesting itself as a bulldozer icon, foretelling this modern Gomorrah of its imminent destruction.

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A discussion page was created, outlining the article's only hope for salvation.

The Liquipedia is a wiki for /competitive/ gaming. As such we'd like to offer strategies that are actually good and help you improve. A worker rush doesn't belong there as it's pretty terrible. Also "just go a hope" isn't really advise at all. I do know that it occurs so if you want to rewrite the page as a how-to-deal-with or how-to-counter than feel free to. I'll give you a couple of days else I'm deleting this. --Pholon 10:04, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


Mere days remained, a cruelly short time after which certain doom would come to Worker Rush. Yet, this is not a tale of despair - it is one of redemption.

On the 11th day, the people of Liquipedia looked to the east and saw some guy who hadn't logged in on the horizon, who spoke the epic words that rang through the valleys beneath: I'll take a go at saving this. it's a terrible idea but notable I guess thanks to Dark Voice.

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This is probably him


You see, among Liquipedia's goals are both to record and to educate. The minor historic event of people grinding through a 1000 wins by using the Worker Rush for that one ultimate portrait inspired our anonymous hero to take a second look at the article. As the build is inherently a bad one, Liquipedia would never recommend or teach it to people. However, since it does occur on the ladder still, our fondly nicked Mysterion took the time to explain why it is a terrible build and how to deal with it.


The problem with a worker rush is that if your opponent has built even one more worker, your attack force will surely be outnumbered.
-Mysterion


This is it kids. You put yourself at a terrible disadvantage by doing this, plus you lose mining time as you make your way to his base. Your hopes are basically to throw your opponent off or that's he's really bad - and that's never a good mindset when you're trying to improve.
Still though, people seem to struggle with this. Fear no more bronze brethren! Mysterion provides...

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These two key points, the Why and the How, are pivotal to a good, relevant article. We are proud of Mysterion, our anonymous contributor who stepped up and made the necessary changes: the bulldozer was removed and the article is there for all to see and improve. Check it out!

(Wiki)Worker Rush


As to the hero of today's story: We don't know who he is! So remember guys, when making please login so everyone knows who to be thankful of (you can use your TeamLiquid ID and Password!).

As to improving - the article may not seem like much yet - the basics are there but there's so much room for extra bits of info. Remember the a wiki is open source - everyone can add to it. Be it a bit historic relevance or a piece of conducted e-science (shoutout to ultilol!): you too can add something that others can learn from!


In other news: We reached a thousand pages. That's 1000. Three zeros. Fuck yeah.
And we hereby would like to congratulate Blueblister and Salle on their promotions to editor! Good work guys, keep it up


Cya on the wiki,


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NoobieOne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1183 Posts
November 15 2010 20:42 GMT
#2
but worker rush is soo much fun with terran auto repair (rush initial 6 and build 1 to mine)
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
November 15 2010 20:42 GMT
#3
Worker rush man.
I miss the 4 probe attack

1000 articles whoo!
Now go for 10x that.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
November 15 2010 20:42 GMT
#4
[image loading]



LOL, now that's effort
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
November 15 2010 20:43 GMT
#5
This is so high-level.
the courage to be a lazy bum
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 15 2010 20:48 GMT
#6
Very glad for this and the counter to a worker rush. Love the article pretty funny ^^
When I think of something else, something will go here
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
November 15 2010 20:50 GMT
#7
I remember when I made one correction on Liquipedia, I think it was like the number two -> three and I told everyone in #liquipedia of what I had done, I felt so proud ^^

good job on the 1000
Moderatorgold coin
QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-15 20:51:51
November 15 2010 20:50 GMT
#8
Don't know what's more entertaining/amazing, Mysterion or this Article about him.

If only I knew how Wikipedia actually worked instead of having to fight with it for 30 mins before I can make one decent edit. I blame laziness and lack of time.
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
November 15 2010 20:53 GMT
#9
Awesome, I finally know what to do against worker rushes!
TymerA
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands759 Posts
November 15 2010 20:53 GMT
#10
I have had some serious issues with this man. I always get a panic attack when i am rushed.
nice.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
November 15 2010 20:54 GMT
#11
I approve! Comprehensive knowledge INC! It includes pages like these!

Also epic mind games.
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 15 2010 21:01 GMT
#12
Yay 1000!!

Great work guys, keep it up :D
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Kokkan
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden83 Posts
November 15 2010 21:02 GMT
#13
We be awesome!

Now ppl, go contribute!
laste
Profile Joined November 2008
Bulgaria242 Posts
November 15 2010 21:02 GMT
#14
I've actually won with this twice in ladder during the beta, it took probably 40 games I think but I had a point to prove and I did.
Everybody will be in bronze soon, because Tasteless will have all our ladder points.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
November 15 2010 21:11 GMT
#15
I think this information is far too important to just blindly give away.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
November 15 2010 21:23 GMT
#16
Fuck Mysterion, Mintberry Crunch is our real saviour and salvation!
www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
November 15 2010 21:31 GMT
#17
Thats awesome.

Funny thing is, some people really do have trouble with this. This page does have good advice for them.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Vanimar
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
220 Posts
November 15 2010 21:35 GMT
#18
I actually won a game in Diamond doing that. Catching people off guard is always a good thing, especially if they NEVER expect it
I figured out the EG Curse. It was set in motion by Voodoo Shamans working for Millenium. Whenever EG aquires a player, Voodoo energies start slowly draining skill from the EG guy into an Millenium newcomer. Think about it!
SpiDaH
Profile Joined March 2010
France198 Posts
November 15 2010 21:38 GMT
#19
On November 16 2010 06:23 Luckbox wrote:
Fuck Mysterion, Mintberry Crunch is our real saviour and salvation!


The coon is disappointed with this.

Fun read TL, thanks, I had no idea there actually was a worker rush page
Lil.Sassy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States54 Posts
November 15 2010 21:52 GMT
#20
On November 16 2010 06:35 Vanimar wrote:
I actually won a game in Diamond doing that. Catching people off guard is always a good thing, especially if they NEVER expect it


I find it hard to believe you can still catch people that arent low diamond with this
Ughghghg
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
November 15 2010 22:11 GMT
#21
LOL did somebody really get the dark voice portrait doing this for 4000+ games?

This article made me laugh the entire time. Good read, I'm going to recommended it to every new player
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
Nonymus
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany6 Posts
November 15 2010 22:19 GMT
#22
And we hereby would like to congratulate Blueblister and Salle on their promotions to editor! Good work guys, keep it up

<irony>
Nice! Skipping me is a good way to tell me "go f.... yourself, we just don't like you. Your work just doesn't count."
</irony>
Thanks for nothing. Bye bye LP.
*ragequits*
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
November 15 2010 22:21 GMT
#23
Well, the most common worker rushes are the double extractor trick with 12 drones or double chronoboosting out 13-14 probes.

None of the 6 worker rushes actually work, unless you're so much better than your opponent.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
TrueIsAwesome
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland160 Posts
November 15 2010 22:47 GMT
#24
Thank you teamliquid, knowing how to counter this saved my marriage!
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
November 15 2010 23:11 GMT
#25
There is also that funny 4 worker rush that Catz did to harrass the scv that is building the barracks
Stosh
Profile Joined August 2010
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-15 23:31:37
November 15 2010 23:30 GMT
#26
On November 16 2010 06:52 Lil.Sassy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 06:35 Vanimar wrote:
I actually won a game in Diamond doing that. Catching people off guard is always a good thing, especially if they NEVER expect it


I find it hard to believe you can still catch people that arent low diamond with this


Cella did the double extractor, worker rush strategy a couple of weeks ago against a progamer (who bad mannered ragequit) who had games casted at the Dallas MLG. There's a replay on Cella's mediafire page. This is the link: http://www.mediafire.com/?zz19441rhaa8eb1
Noev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1105 Posts
November 15 2010 23:40 GMT
#27
Love the south park reference, when i have more time i will defiantly start helping filling out Liquidpedia
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
November 15 2010 23:50 GMT
#28
Yay for LP, 2000 is next . As for a worker rush... I'm feeling much more enlightened then before I read this.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
November 15 2010 23:59 GMT
#29
lol, i cant believe people lose to this ^^
ultilol
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan24 Posts
November 16 2010 00:07 GMT
#30
On November 16 2010 05:42 NoobieOne wrote:
but worker rush is soo much fun with terran auto repair (rush initial 6 and build 1 to mine)



that actually does wonders lol
Hai there
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
November 16 2010 00:42 GMT
#31
im glad it wasnt removed, cos theres always gonna be new casual players out there who want to just try some online games and see how they do and all of a sudden omgwtfbbq why r all his workers here in my face?

so this deffinitely is a good thing.

and grats on 1000 :D
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19203 Posts
November 16 2010 00:46 GMT
#32
On November 16 2010 07:19 Nonymus wrote:
Show nested quote +
And we hereby would like to congratulate Blueblister and Salle on their promotions to editor! Good work guys, keep it up


Nice! Skipping me is a good way to tell me "go f.... yourself, we just don't like you. Your work just doesn't count."

Thanks for nothing. Bye bye LP.
*ragequits*

How'd you know?
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
SplashbackFerret
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand846 Posts
November 16 2010 00:58 GMT
#33
On November 16 2010 08:30 Stosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 06:52 Lil.Sassy wrote:
On November 16 2010 06:35 Vanimar wrote:
I actually won a game in Diamond doing that. Catching people off guard is always a good thing, especially if they NEVER expect it


I find it hard to believe you can still catch people that arent low diamond with this


Cella did the double extractor, worker rush strategy a couple of weeks ago against a progamer (who bad mannered ragequit) who had games casted at the Dallas MLG. There's a replay on Cella's mediafire page. This is the link: http://www.mediafire.com/?zz19441rhaa8eb1


Looking closely at that, it was 12 workers vs 12 by the time his drones arrived, the advantage then comes from getting the first few hits in and INSANE MICRO.
Splashy the Splashback Awareness Ferret
Excalibur
Profile Joined September 2009
United States59 Posts
November 16 2010 01:44 GMT
#34
This reminds me of a high Diamond who 6pooled me. Now when you're that high up, you're not expecting a 6pool. I fended him off, and my 4gate rolled him despite constant ling harass and a failed baneling bust. Kid was pissed.
Whats a 4pool?
_creep
Profile Joined November 2010
United States17 Posts
November 16 2010 02:25 GMT
#35
hrmm
auto-repair does wonders,
is worker rush the hard counter to worker rush?
and is that the only BO (if it counts as that) whose counter is itself?
"Run Jaeling run!"
SOOPERCOOL
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria7 Posts
November 16 2010 03:53 GMT
#36
KENNY IS COOL
im rly cool and i play starcraft 34 hours a day
Traveler
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States451 Posts
November 16 2010 08:26 GMT
#37
On November 16 2010 10:44 Excalibur wrote:
This reminds me of a high Diamond who 6pooled me. Now when you're that high up, you're not expecting a 6pool. I fended him off, and my 4gate rolled him despite constant ling harass and a failed baneling bust. Kid was pissed.


You really wanted to tell someone about that didn't you? Even if it didn't relate too much to the topic.

Anyways, the rush Catz does with 3 drones is not to end the game... it is to steal mining time and slow down the other player initially. He makes sure he doesn't lose any drones, so that if he kills 1-2 scvs he has accomplished his mission.
Can you ever argue in favor of something without first proving it?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 16 2010 09:20 GMT
#38
Something I love about TL is how staff often refer to South Park. :')
maru lover forever
Romple
Profile Joined October 2010
United States57 Posts
November 16 2010 13:27 GMT
#39
If you throw one marine into your worker rush you have a GSL finalist strategy.... ;-)
_creep
Profile Joined November 2010
United States17 Posts
November 16 2010 17:36 GMT
#40
extra points if you manage to steal mineral chunks!
"Run Jaeling run!"
mDuo13
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States307 Posts
November 17 2010 00:45 GMT
#41
On November 16 2010 07:11 Jugan wrote:
LOL did somebody really get the dark voice portrait doing this for 4000+ games?

Yes, although it actually only took about 3000 games, since Random games count towards the randomly-selected race in addition to counting towards Random.

I added a couple minor notes to the page based on my experience being worker rushed by a Protoss on Steppes. Despite having read how to counter the worker rush beforehand, I had lost an SCV by the time I noticed it was happening, and he ran away and restored shields after about 20 damage had been done on either side. When I finally realized I should just load & lift, I only had 1 SCV to his 3 Probes, which he sent back to mine for a while before sending them & a buddy to attack my landed CC.

While I'm pretty ashamed to have lost like that, I do think people underestimate how effective a worker rush can be.
NoobieOne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 03:29:39
November 17 2010 03:27 GMT
#42
On November 16 2010 09:07 ultilol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 05:42 NoobieOne wrote:
but worker rush is soo much fun with terran auto repair (rush initial 6 and build 1 to mine)



that actually does wonders lol


I did it for lolz when loosing a few games. Won the 2 times i did it. (Even revealed it once "Where are my minerals? Are they on top right (his base))"

Edit: of course it was a set build since Terran is my off race, but i do know how to play it due to it being so god damn easy (i'm a protoss player)
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 05:27:59
November 17 2010 05:27 GMT
#43
Honestly, this is a pretty lackluster OP..
I am not compelled to visit or help improve Liquipedia by reading this.
RedHelix
Profile Joined August 2010
250 Posts
November 17 2010 06:20 GMT
#44
to me it looks like a mysterion to me, anyone who seen the mysterion say yeah :D
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
November 17 2010 08:02 GMT
#45
I think it should be corrected for accuracy. A friend of mine used to do a 4 worker rush in BW while rebuilding with 1 worker from his initial 50 minerals. I think protoss/zerg regeneration is more beneficial to someone who can micro then repair is since repair actually cost money.

Although auto repair does make it way easier to execute :/
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hedi01
Profile Joined November 2010
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 17:20:03
November 19 2010 03:48 GMT
#46
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