I allmost hope Lux is slumping and July is behind it... He said the coaches told him that he would get som PL playtime in an interview in the MSL I think... God, but it would make so much sense that he was inconsistent, if Lux played that good in Season 1 this year "on purpose" where KT actually had 2 aces. Maybe he just did it to let him get more airtime to lose on ? I have no idea honestly.
God, I hope go.go isn't a part of scandal, then I'd lose faith in the funny, bm, bad terran player ;(

dukethegold

Canada5645 Posts

May 16 2010 08:54 GMT

#303

The amount of money involved in this scandal is surprisingly low...Seriously, it's just not worth the trouble. Are your average progamers are being paid so low as to resort to this?

So this is why Hwasin has not been fielded by STX...DAMN IT! I had him on my FPL since day one and still has not dropped him yet.

bobhund

Sweden364 Posts

May 16 2010 08:54 GMT

#304

This is really sad, people destroying something so fun and entertaining as SC just to earn some money.
Bastards.

Samurai-

Slovenia2035 Posts

May 16 2010 08:55 GMT

#305

cheater.savior .. he should be removed from everything ? bonjwa ? mwahah my ass.. cheater for sure... cheating loosers..

Biff The Understudy

France7802 Posts

May 16 2010 08:58 GMT

#306

What is not very funny is that if it's actually true, theses guys will end up in jail. I feel a bit sorry for them, somehow. If it happens, I don't know what they are gonna do with themselves when they get out... They screwed their life for a couple thousand dollars.

Ryo

8787 Posts

May 16 2010 08:58 GMT

#307

On May 16 2010 17:53 Iplaythings wrote:
I allmost hope Lux is slumping and July is behind it... He said the coaches told him that he would get som PL playtime in an interview in the MSL I think... God, but it would make so much sense that he was inconsistent, if Lux played that good in Season 1 this year "on purpose" where KT actually had 2 aces. Maybe he just did it to let him get more airtime to lose on ? I have no idea honestly.
God, I hope go.go isn't a part of scandal, then I'd lose faith in the funny, bm, bad terran player ;(

Mr Park is supposed to be an academy owner and Mr Kim is supposed to be a gangster/mafia member so I doubt July or go.go are involved.

CynanMachae

Canada1459 Posts

May 16 2010 08:59 GMT

#308

Finally some news about this...

I'm kinda sad to see go.go's name there, I really liked him in Old Boy

dukethegold

Canada5645 Posts

May 16 2010 08:59 GMT

#309

Let's not forget that Savior cheated to LOSE. Not to win.

Hence, his skills were real and so was his dominance.

s.a.y

Croatia3840 Posts

May 16 2010 09:03 GMT

#310

a big hit on korean e-sports. Where money is, corruption grows.

I don't feel a bit sad for Savior, he had the money, just was greedy.

They better end up in jail or something.

SuperArc

Austria7781 Posts

May 16 2010 09:05 GMT

#311

On May 16 2010 17:58 Ryo wrote:

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Mr Park is supposed to be an academy owner and Mr Kim is supposed to be a gangster/mafia member so I doubt July or go.go are involved.

MBC news confirmed Lux, go.go, yarnc and Hwasin.

LordLastDay

34 Posts

May 16 2010 09:07 GMT

#312

Starcraft: Prison match series.
Hah!

M-buster

Honduras8 Posts

May 16 2010 09:08 GMT

#313

it certainly is terrible for something like this to happen in any sport, but not illogical or unexpected. a combination of factors provided the necessary environment for this to happen, and it's a shame, but i don't think the league will die, if that was the case whenever cases of corruption presented themselves there would be no proffesional sporting leagues of any sport, since they all are or have been corrupt in some way. for example in football, what some of you might call soccer, but it is football, the name itself is self explanatory, one of the greatest players ever, diego maradona was found guilty of doping, and was expelled from the world cup (USA 94). years later when he retired he said that he had made one of his biggest mistakes and that he was justly punished, but that the sport itself is so beautiful that his own mistakes could not stain it, and it is true. i feel the same way about this situation, if it hadn't been savior and those other kids it would have probably been someone else, but it was them and they knew what they were doing was wrong so they have to be punished, but starcraft is a beautiful game and so is the league, and ten more scandals won't change that, it's simply a reflection of some men's nature.
it's difficult to judge someone, especially when they are very young and a lot of money is involved, they probably have been doing it for years and it involves many more than those listed here. just think of al capone for example, he got caught for tax evasion, not for any of the other crimes he committed. i think saviour f*cked up, many of us could have succumbed to the temptation of easy money, i don't justify him but he's only human and prone to make mistakes, so let him be punished, but the shame alone must be tearing him inside.

kenhennen

29 Posts

May 16 2010 09:10 GMT

#314

the amount of money seems ridiculously low. i thought it's about Korean middle salary being low, but that's not so

http://www.worldsalaries.org/korea.shtml

not sure police found the real amounts.

also, there may be additional money behind the curtain - like, placing $10000 bet on own loss and losing. but with this option, you don't need a broker with his pitiful $2K

moopie

12605 Posts

May 16 2010 09:15 GMT

#315

On May 16 2010 18:10 kenhennen wrote:
the amount of money seems ridiculously low. i thought it's about Korean middle salary being low, but that's not so

http://www.worldsalaries.org/korea.shtml

not sure police found the real amounts.

also, there may be additional money behind the curtain - like, placing $10000 bet on own loss and losing. but with this option, you don't need a broker with his pitiful $2K

If one were to purposely lose, that would be the way to do it (theoretically), since it leaves you less 'at risk' (especially if you get someone else to lay the bet). While it's still illegal, there is no 'broker' at the other end who you communicate with directly and make arrangements (and who can later implicate you or blackmail you to continue).

The only reason I could see one would go through a personal interaction with someone to do something like that would be if an arrangement was made that the player would receive a large chunk of money (or a percentage of the total bets), which he couldn't front for himself.

pyrogenetix

United Arab Emirates5090 Posts

May 16 2010 09:16 GMT

#316

Olorin.SVK

Slovakia136 Posts

May 16 2010 09:21 GMT

#317

This is outrage! I want my lost Liquibet points back!

Ryo

8787 Posts

May 16 2010 09:23 GMT

#318

On May 16 2010 11:23 konadora wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Info from MBC's news program] +

Captured and analyzed by Hypocrite.12414 on pgr21.com

List of last name initials + game dates for fixed matches. Essentially confirms Luxury, Yarnc, Hwasin, and Go.go.

Why go.go? Is it because YTN used footage of his match against Light? There were two matches played on that date, and two Kims lost on that date (Nov 22nd '09). One is go.go but his team still eventually went down 1-3 to MBC.
+ Show Spoiler +

The other Kim who lost is Kal. STX lost in the end cos Hwasin lost the ace match.

Ryo

8787 Posts

May 16 2010 09:28 GMT

#319

On May 16 2010 18:05 SuperArc wrote:

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MBC news confirmed Lux, go.go, yarnc and Hwasin.

They did not confirm the full names. They showed a list of surnames and dates of matches thrown. Hwasin is almost 100% certain because he's the only "J" surname who played on those dates/starleague. Luxury is almost certain too cos of the date of the survivor match and his "K" starting surname.