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gamapg
Profile Joined January 2010
Philippines189 Posts
May 16 2010 07:12 GMT
#261
The Emperor is going to be pissed...LIM YO HWAN WILL DESTROY...
Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
May 16 2010 07:13 GMT
#262
A dark day. Life bans for anyone involved, in my view.
We are vigilant.
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
May 16 2010 07:15 GMT
#263
It can't be July. Jesus, it can't be July. He could save more money by dieting for a couple days than he could by accepting the bribes that are described
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
Triik
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada51 Posts
May 16 2010 07:22 GMT
#264
On May 16 2010 13:52 Redmark wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 16 2010 13:44 Lucid90 wrote:
Personally I don't understand why anyone is disappointed in these players. They just wanted some additional income so they decided to resort to illegal gambling. Starcraft players practice like 15 hours a day and make close to nothing. It's not like they were using hacks or cheating in the game, they were just losing on purpose to make more money.

Obviously this isn't really healthy for the industry as a whole, but still on a personal level I don't see anything wrong with it.

Maybe they shouldn't have chosen to become progamers then.
If you want to play games for a living, you'd better like playing games for a living. There is a contract between you and your employer to perform, and they just failed it (also dealt with gangsters apparently lol). It's basically theft, you're taking money while deliberately not doing what you're supposed to get that money for.
Do you not see why betraying your sponsor thousands of fans is not a moral thing to do? Or, to get back to the money, do random immigrants working 10 hours a day washing dishes get to throw games?


No one starts off being a progamer with the plan of throwing games, you become a progamer because you love the game (or that you are good at it), then realize that it doesn't make you as much money as you wanted (whether that is because you aren't good enough to win titles for money, or that your peak is over and might as well make some money while you can), that is where you start throwing games. It is not tough to realize that the career span of a sc progamer isn't long and your peak is usually even shorter (a year or 2 maybe?). Being an sc progamer leaves these kids with virtually nothing when they retire, they are far behind in school, studies and trust me when I say majority of sc progamers will not have made enough money during their sc career to support 5 years of living expenses after they retire.

As a fan yes, certainly fixing games is unethical but I think this speaks more to the state of progaming as a career more than anything, now if similar things happened to top division soccer leagues in Europe (like premiership in england or seria A in italy), where players make millions (euro/us) a year yes I would be infuriated. But people need to be more forgiving to sc progamers.

Of course all this is based on my understanding that an average sc progamer (those who dont win OSLs/MSLs) makes around $10,000ish or less a year, but their living expenses are covered. This is really not a lot of money for a career that has like a 5 year lifespan.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
May 16 2010 07:25 GMT
#265
On May 16 2010 12:35 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Really really hurts me to say this as he's my favorite player, but isn't July a 25-year-old Mr. Park?

NO! B to the A to the NANA-CRAP if that turns out to be the case!
I would literally just bring out the whiskey at 9am and start drowning my sorrows.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
pyr0ma5ta
Profile Joined May 2010
United States458 Posts
May 16 2010 07:25 GMT
#266
D:

Savior: Son, I am disappoint.
"I made you a zergling, but I eated it." - Defiler
bbq
Profile Joined January 2010
United States49 Posts
May 16 2010 07:26 GMT
#267
Flash threw the games against CJ today, you heard it here first...
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
May 16 2010 07:28 GMT
#268
^ spoiler it for fuck's sake
POGGERS
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
May 16 2010 07:31 GMT
#269
I'm ashamed Hwasin With your looks you could've gotten DONATIONS on that scale. Sigh.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
May 16 2010 07:32 GMT
#270
I'm sorry to see Hwasin (almost) confirmed. The only real question left is, who the fuck would pay 3 million wons for Justin to lose?:-p
BW fighting!
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
May 16 2010 07:40 GMT
#271
If I had known that making one of those loose game was that cheap... hello bets.
Where is my ACE flair
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-16 07:43:06
May 16 2010 07:40 GMT
#272
On May 16 2010 12:35 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Really really hurts me to say this as he's my favorite player, but isn't July a 25-year-old Mr. Park?


Hes my favorite player as well and It hurts to even think this but I have heard he wasnt practicing as much for a period as he was addicted to online poker which is a form of gambling, a logical transition
OMG you nasty gurl
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
May 16 2010 07:42 GMT
#273
On May 16 2010 16:40 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2010 12:35 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Really really hurts me to say this as he's my favorite player, but isn't July a 25-year-old Mr. Park?


Hes my favorite player as well and It hurts to even think this but I have heard he wasnt practicing as much for a period as he was addicted to online poker which is a form of gambling, a logical transition (((((


Hes also Hwasins teammate. But on an uplifting notes having read his interviews I seriously doubt his character would allow something like this.
OMG you nasty gurl
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
May 16 2010 07:42 GMT
#274
People try to destroy mr Lim´s empire

Shame on you
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 16 2010 07:43 GMT
#275
On May 16 2010 16:40 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2010 12:35 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Really really hurts me to say this as he's my favorite player, but isn't July a 25-year-old Mr. Park?


Hes my favorite player as well and It hurts to even think this but I have heard he wasnt practicing as much for a period as he was addicted to online poker which is a form of gambling, a logical transition (((((


Gambling your own money on another game and taking bribes to throw matches are kinda diff you know.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-16 07:44:04
May 16 2010 07:43 GMT
#276
On May 16 2010 16:43 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2010 16:40 Kuja900 wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:35 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Really really hurts me to say this as he's my favorite player, but isn't July a 25-year-old Mr. Park?


Hes my favorite player as well and It hurts to even think this but I have heard he wasnt practicing as much for a period as he was addicted to online poker which is a form of gambling, a logical transition (((((


Gambling your own money on another game and taking bribes to throw matches are kinda diff you know.


Yes but it shows an interest in gambling, risk for wealth. Hes my favorite player and I will probably cry if hes guilty, I'm just speculating.
OMG you nasty gurl
SultanVinegar
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States372 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-16 07:47:43
May 16 2010 07:46 GMT
#277
I'm fairly certain that the 25 year old mr park is supposed to be the one broker, the gaming academy guy or whatever.
I'm a Flash man.
malathion
Profile Joined March 2009
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-16 07:47:24
May 16 2010 07:47 GMT
#278
On May 16 2010 16:26 bbq wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Flash threw the games against CJ today, you heard it here first...

Your joke is not funny and you spoiled these results.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
May 16 2010 07:47 GMT
#279
On May 16 2010 16:13 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
A dark day. Life bans for anyone involved, in my view.


enough people have told me that savior is 100% completely fucked and done with anything related to the e-sports industry

they aren't gunna let him back, not for sc1, not for sc2

guys life is over lol
why so 진지해?
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
May 16 2010 07:48 GMT
#280
Once this investigation is over, go to Boxer, NaDa, oov and YellOw, kneel down and beg for forgiveness from them.


True.
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