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TheRecliner
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden103 Posts
September 14 2009 16:15 GMT
#161
With the obvious eventual delay of SC 2 (hey its Blizzard) out of the way, this would be the worst possible SC (in any way) related news there could be.

GOM offered a package random vods in korean cannot even possibly hope to match. I got tournament trees presented to me, analysis of players and the games that i could actually understand and so I had a good grip about everything regarding the tournament. That GOM didnt have the highest status in Korea has always been irrelevant to me.

Yeah, you guys here on TL do write ups and what not regarding the other leagues, but it doesnt compare to having them served and explained as part of a cast.

RIP GOM. I hope Tasteless and SDM dont get caught up in other things before SC2, and that we will see them return in some capacity, hopefully having Artosis as a new member of the team.
Postaljester
Profile Joined December 2002
United States128 Posts
September 14 2009 16:18 GMT
#162
this is terrible, GOM was the BEST league. Pretty much the only one that gave a shit about non koreans watching. One good thing about SC2 Kespa will get kicked to the curb.
If you cant do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2111 Posts
September 14 2009 16:18 GMT
#163
This is a sad day, like many people, GOM was how I really got into watching pro SC, the broadcast time for me was good, and for a long time it was just about the only league I watched, and even then the only league I watched live, due to my incopetence of getting a working stream for proleague.

To those that say "all parties are just protecting their interests, you bunch of racists", until some losens the screws on whoever or OGN/MBC get english commentry, I will firmly remain a member of the fuck Kespa brigade.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
September 14 2009 16:27 GMT
#164
Wtf?
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
September 14 2009 16:31 GMT
#165
On September 15 2009 01:18 Postaljester wrote:
this is terrible, GOM was the BEST league. Pretty much the only one that gave a shit about non koreans watching. One good thing about SC2 Kespa will get kicked to the curb.


eh.... GOM was NOT the best league lol
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Postaljester
Profile Joined December 2002
United States128 Posts
September 14 2009 16:33 GMT
#166
On September 15 2009 01:31 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2009 01:18 Postaljester wrote:
this is terrible, GOM was the BEST league. Pretty much the only one that gave a shit about non koreans watching. One good thing about SC2 Kespa will get kicked to the curb.


eh.... GOM was NOT the best league lol

that's your opinion. I personally thought it was the best if not at least equal with any other league. and the fact that they provided English coverage showed that they at least cared about foreign fans.
If you cant do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 16:36:05
September 14 2009 16:35 GMT
#167
On September 14 2009 19:44 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
stuff

Haha, I really enjoyed your rageposts about France and Sweden, please don't get permabanned too quickly.
Solai
Profile Joined September 2009
204 Posts
September 14 2009 16:37 GMT
#168
That's really sad news. The GOM tourneys were always intersting to watch and actually I only started to follow SC because of the awesome casts of Tasteless/Lil Susie (I know many here complained about her, but she was a good Tasteless counterpart) and of course Superdanielman.

Damn Kespa!

TheRecliner
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden103 Posts
September 14 2009 16:39 GMT
#169
On September 15 2009 01:31 Ideas wrote:
eh.... GOM was NOT the best league lol

To me it kind of was.... the ONLY league. The MSL/OSL feels like a blur of disjointed series of games.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
September 14 2009 16:44 GMT
#170
Good move kespa, edge out the league that is targeting a market you have no interest in and was bringing in new viewers from a side of the world you didn't do shit with.

Well played! Solid way to keep your business expanding.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 16:47:40
September 14 2009 16:46 GMT
#171
GOM is not KeSPA-sanctioned, but is that really the reason teams are not interested in participating? I read SDM's second tweet as "most teams decided not to participate in GOM of their own volition". I agree KeSPA can be criticized for not sanctioning the league, but wasn't it ultimately the teams themselves, not KeSPA, that doomed GOM by refusing to participate? It could simply be that the teams didn't want to overload their schedules, and decided not to play GOM fairly independently of KeSPA's decision not to sanction it.

KeSPA-haters in this thread, please explain!
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1725 Posts
September 14 2009 16:46 GMT
#172
it's all about money as usual, then we'll have to say thanks, because without them there will be no starcraft blablabla

it's time to change i believe...
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
chas
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany18 Posts
September 14 2009 16:49 GMT
#173
On September 14 2009 17:14 SnowFantasy wrote:
Hmmm.

Comparing these two:
"as of now I can safely say there won't be any more gomtv leagues"
"as of now I can safely say there won't be any more gomtv leagues with progamers in it."

That is big I think. They might just be moving in a different direction.


Please tell me how much you enjoy foreigner/amateur games after getting used to the level Korean progamers play on. For me, I can barely watch it, which means a season 4 without progamers won't be very exciting.
volcane
Profile Joined September 2008
United Kingdom24 Posts
September 14 2009 16:53 GMT
#174
Clearly just positioning between KESPA and Blizzard who both want a monopoly on korean broadcasting (where most of the ESPORTS money is). It has to be close to impossible to judge which monopoly will do best for the viewing public but for blizzard to retain the broadcasting rights is for them to take a right from everyone who plays the game, probably we don't care about that right but I have no idea what the legality of livestreams will be.

It seems crazy for KESPA to move against Blizzard as Blizzard will almost certainly control the broadcasting rights, but if GOM isn't positioned to be able to broadcast at the time of SC2 release I guess its possible that Blizzard might look to deal with KESPA?
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
September 14 2009 16:56 GMT
#175
On September 15 2009 01:46 JWD wrote:
GOM is not KeSPA-sanctioned, but is that really the reason teams are not interested in participating? I read SDM's second tweet as "most teams decided not to participate in GOM of their own volition". I agree KeSPA can be criticized for not sanctioning the league, but wasn't it ultimately the teams themselves, not KeSPA, that doomed GOM by refusing to participate? It could simply be that the teams didn't want to overload their schedules, and decided not to play GOM fairly independently of KeSPA's decision not to sanction it.

KeSPA-haters in this thread, please explain!
happy birthday.

anyways, to answer your question it's fairly obvious that kespa pressured teams into not participating. there's no reasonable argument for teams (outside of mbc and ogn of course) to prevent their players from participating, especially when there's more benefits to letting players in GOM than preventing them. benefits include making players happy thanks to a third individual league in which to win prize and prestige, making fans happy due to more play-time of their favorite players/teams, making sponsors happy due to more screen-time of their logos and brand names. the only downfall i can think of is maybe less practice time for proleague. that isn't enough to justify a boycott of the league so the only remaining explanation is that kespa pressured teams into boycotting so that they could kill their rival (gom/blizzard).
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
September 14 2009 16:56 GMT
#176
On September 15 2009 01:46 JWD wrote:
GOM is not KeSPA-sanctioned, but is that really the reason teams are not interested in participating? I read SDM's second tweet as "most teams decided not to participate in GOM of their own volition". I agree KeSPA can be criticized for not sanctioning the league, but wasn't it ultimately the teams themselves, not KeSPA, that doomed GOM by refusing to participate? It could simply be that the teams didn't want to overload their schedules, and decided not to play GOM fairly independently of KeSPA's decision not to sanction it.

KeSPA-haters in this thread, please explain!




Every time this issue has come up in the past (like when a few teams didn't participate last season, or when they thought they had KeSPA sanctioning but didn't and kept trying to get it) Dan has always implied that pressure directly from KeSPA was the reason why. I can't think of anything offhand that he explicitly said so maybe you are right, in which case I still think they are absurdly stupid in not choosing together to make it easy for a company who is only expanding their market to exist alongside the Korean establishment.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
September 14 2009 16:59 GMT
#177
i say we start a ban kespa initiative
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
September 14 2009 17:02 GMT
#178
Alright, I follow.

Just to be clear, I think the most plausible explanation is that KeSPA did, either directly or indirectly by not sanctioning the league, doom GOM.

Does anyone know if the lack of KeSPA support somehow made GOM less attractive to teams (in obvious ways, like less prize money or something)? If there's no obvious association between lack of KeSPA sanction and a league's desirability for teams involved, we can assume with greater certainty that KeSPA in some way bullied teams out of GOM.
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ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
September 14 2009 17:02 GMT
#179
I can't belive this... I really enjoyed GOMTV and now this... why KESPA needs to hold everything??
TheRecliner
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden103 Posts
September 14 2009 17:03 GMT
#180
On September 15 2009 01:53 volcane wrote:
It seems crazy for KESPA to move against Blizzard as Blizzard will almost certainly control the broadcasting rights, but if GOM isn't positioned to be able to broadcast at the time of SC2 release I guess its possible that Blizzard might look to deal with KESPA?

Its not important what form of broadcasting is available at release. There will be a certain time to allow SC 1 leagues to finish off. Initial sales, which should be insane, will not be effected by it being on tv or not.

After the rounds of SC 1 being played at release have finished, there will be pressure to have it on tv, since everyone is playing it. As mentioned before, this is about money. Blizzard will strike a deal with whoever they need to partner with. If the only option is KESPA, then they will work with KESPA.
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