EPT[GG] Red Army Mafia - Page 42
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On August 03 2009 11:22 LucasWoJ wrote: Why was this day shortened? because im a dick | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
So then you can play Dota with us now, MIRITE? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On August 03 2009 11:28 Elemenope wrote: So then you can play Dota with us now, MIRITE? ur never on | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
wat More like You're in the wrong place. | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On August 03 2009 11:38 So no fek wrote: Hit a rebel, and have 4-5 deserters. In Soviet Russia, town kills you. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On August 03 2009 14:12 Ace wrote: ^_^ obviously scum | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
Everyone PM me your roles I understand that, aside from the veteran DT plan, which I am thankful at least one of the DTs have followed (because it's the optimal strategy), I haven't posted anything in the thread for a variety of reasons. Thus most of this post will give reasons for my plan, actions, and innocence. It will be quite long winded, but as I am attempting to get a mass roleclaim, I will need to give a good deal of evidence to convince people of my innocence. First of all, my thoughts and plans for this game. In the beginning it was clear that this game cannot be played as a normal game can. The mafia is extremely strong but isolated. Thus any proper plan must make use of their lack of knowledge against them while preventing them from learning key knowledge. This can be done in two ways: firstly, confusion, secondly, infiltration. While the latter is the most ideal, it's not something I can easily pull off. I am one of the most well known players here and thus most people are inherently going to be suspicious of anything I try to do. So I had to settle for the less optimal, but easier to pull off strategy of confusion. In doing so I had to remain quiet of who the mafia were to prevent them from doing anything. That is why I have 3 more mafia found right now but can't release their names. I want them dead but I need vigis to do so. And while I'm getting vigi info, why not get the whole kitchen sink and seal the game while I'm at it? Over the course of the day 1 and night 1 I sent this pm to about 40-45 people (I avoided certain people for various reasons). As you are aware, it's vital that people who have the same objectives know each other and coordinate a common strategy. I believe that our objectives are the same. It's not necessary to respond immediately. I trust my own analysis and there's no need for you to trust me right away. When the right time comes, I'll be here. Now my ultimate objective of this were to: a) get a number of responses and get some solid analysis from that information b) get the mafia to waste a rolecheck me I designed it so that it was ambigious enough to dissuade people from posting it in the thread and thus realizing that others received it, while making mafia curious enough to waste a rolecheck on me because again, they did not know anyone else received it. Yeah some DT checks would be wasted as well, but at least they would get in contact with me and I could coordinate them (luckily only 1 has so little wastage was made). I didn't want to post in the thread because I wanted to seem suspicious (as well as I could after posting that veteran/dt plan which made me look too obviously innocent lol) and milk this bait pm for as much as I could. Note that pm's should be read bottom up. + Show Spoiler [Catching Clazziquai] + I honestly did not try to catch Clazz this way, he just made a gigantic error. I got this response immediately after sending out my bait pm. (me) You already trusted me with your role by saying that . It's okay though, we're on the same side. Whether you trust me or not is up to you. If you don't, you can confirm it tonight. If you do, then we got to find 2 others to confirm. I have some ideas. ---------------------------------------------- (Clazz) What role are you? I can't trust you so easily. :/ Trust me? With what? The only reason he'd want to trust me is if I was mafia. Responding to that pm in the first place is already a pointer in the direction of mafia but his response is so blatant it just stares in the face. Furthermore I sent him a response after basically telling him we're both mafia, and then he never responds back though he is clearly active and responding to other pm's. The only explanation for this is that he is mafia and rolechecked me. I gave all the evidence to Ace several hours before the end of the election yet due to some strange mishaps Clazz didn't die. However, on that evidence and probably wanting to confirm my own alignment, Ace investigated Clazz in the night and confirmed it. I considered posting in the thread to support Ace's claim but the winds flowed in our favor and Clazz died without problems, so it was unnecessary. + Show Spoiler [Catching Kuja] + Kuja was frankly an obvious catch because Kuja only plays when he has a role. Thus from the moment that he started playing and responding to an early pm I knew he had a role and just had to find out what it was. Here were the pm's: (Me) Well here's the thing: I know you have a role, I'm just not sure which one. My guess is that because you didn't react much to my accusation of you as blue, you aren't a blue. A real blue would be more afraid or defensive. That leaves you as mafia, yes? Welcome to the club. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Kuja) why u say that? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Me) You're a blue role aren't you. Which one? Having gotten his response, I made stuff up and slanted my 'interpretation' of events to put pressure on him in an optimal way to judge his reaction (during the night I might add). So if he was blue, he would have responded with a defense. After all, a blue doesn't want to be falsely accused as mafia and would certainly not ignore someone who calls them out as mafia. They might even try to play along to infiltrate. Basically as a blue he has no reason not to reply to that pm. But if he was mafia, he would inherently be afraid in this situation. First thing he would've done is rolecheck me. And when that RC comes up as green, he'd realize what I was doing and see to benefit to talking with me. Him being mafia is the only explanation for not responding to that pm, for there was no way he was green (he posted in the thread several times and I had someone else PM him to confirm he's reading them). Clazz is dead and is proven to be mafia. Kuja admitted his role later to Scara for a double confirmation. Two down. This situation puts the mafia in quite a pickle. They must kill me tonight before I can get all the roles and coordinate everyone, for should I live to the next night I will certainly have a confirmed innocent to pass on the information to and will have coordinated all of the town power roles. Thus the mafia must kill me tonight. But because and I will surely get medics to protect me, they cannot afford to skimp on hits yet at the same cannot coordinate enough hits. So just as the night before I will waste the mafia's actions, or they will face a lost game for sure. Either way, we win. In a way this is an interesting experiment. I caught 2 mafia for certain and set them up to be killed through the appropriate channels. In addition, 3 more have already been found and will be killed once the vigi's get in touch with me. Will you trust me, having done all this? What more is necessary to gain that trust? This is a game winning move if you feel you can trust me, so read the evidence and make that choice. Summary: Everyone PM me your roles. Yes, even if you are a green. This is the game deciding move, because now the town will have more information and many more numbers than the mafia, who will have to waste another turn or lose to a town that knows and coordinates all the roles. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
 Unless ver is proven to be not mafia, townies should just keep the roles to themselves. | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On August 03 2009 21:47 Ace wrote: hmmm I think you should publicly release those mafia names before anyone does anything Ace aCe acE lololololscumshadesactivate? | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
If you're a townie, you can get names of red townies and coordinate us. That's good. If you're a rebel, you get names of red townies and post them publicly for all the other rebels to read freely before we lynch you. That would be disastrous. Your story is nice, but words are wind. Claiming credit for figuring out Clazz and Kuja is just that, claiming credit. It's an interesting plan, but if we go through with it and you turn out to be mafia, we're giving the blues exactly what they need to win. For now, I would suggest townies to keep their roles to themselves. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8091 Posts
 stolen thunder | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
i guess im not "that" good. | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
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