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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
April 22 2009 18:20 GMT
#189
Not directly game related, and I've already told BC, but just to let you guys know, I would not have access to TL from Thursday to Sunday (Back on Sunday). Will be traveling and attending a company event.

Just in case people look at the "inactive" list.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
April 27 2009 18:31 GMT
#534
I skimmed through most of the pages after I got back last night.

Seems like there are 2 Mafia families and a lot of chaos (drama stirred up by Mafia parties) and lots of town confusion. This is going to be more tense than last game
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
April 28 2009 01:26 GMT
#556
On April 28 2009 10:17 Vivi57 wrote:
I got the feeling that everyone is just waiting for something to happen at night.

there's only so much discussion you can have with no new information


That's pretty much what I'm doing now.
I got back yesterday from a four day trip, read through a huge pile of shit chaotic posts today at work, and I decided to abstain my vote.
Just waiting to see what happens after tonight to "clear up" the picture a bit, since I'm technically still behind.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
April 30 2009 02:13 GMT
#644
L's argument seems a bit forced, but that is how the game is "played".
(I wonder how many would get the subtle meaning of my statement )

I saw BC on MSN today, but no reply
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
April 30 2009 12:27 GMT
#675
On April 30 2009 21:25 L wrote:
Well, fuck.

I was pretty sure that would not happen.


I concur
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
April 30 2009 13:42 GMT
#682
There are a few people's argument that, to me, seems really forced.
In my book, these people are either Mafia working their agenda to persuade town, or individuals that aren't really good with logical thinking.
I'm not saying L for example, is 100% Mafia, but I've mentioned briefly that his arguments just don't really fit right, and this was before Ver was lynched.
Let's see what happens next Day.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 01 2009 04:39 GMT
#712
I'm still curious about Tricode's post last page, regarding one of Ver's post.

On April 28 2009 12:00 Versatile wrote:
Let me explain about Ace.

He thinks he's a great mafia player. He kinda is. But I know his playing style, and I've already caught one of his tells; he's done in a few of the conversations we've had already. I'm not going to tell you all what it is because if I did.....well, would I still be special? (just a lil' sarcasm, folks).

The only reason I didn't raise the red flag before is because I didn't want to alarm him and cause my death even faster.

Secondly, I've been talking to Ace on and off for days. He is one person who can confirm I didn't even know the game started until more than 48hrs into it. He chose not to do that though. Instead, he chose to add to the suspicion of me, and didn't bother to tell you all that we've had other conversations, so it is definitely not unusually for me to be on another board and not this one. Hell, I only come here for mafia.

Either way, I'm perfectly content with dying. Hopefully though, someone pays attention to my posts afterward.


I left out the "Dell" part from Tricode's post, so no more dodging
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 01 2009 05:11 GMT
#725
Haha, TLDR.
Nice second dodge there
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 01 2009 05:42 GMT
#737
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 04 2009 07:36 GMT
#878
I knew it would end up something like this when Qatol spent his 3 votes, and people "switched" over.
Wonder how many times have this happened already
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 04 2009 13:11 GMT
#910
On May 04 2009 20:26 Camlito wrote:
Also i think we should think outside the box with the burning lungs feeling.

I personally believe HeavOnEarth may be mafia. His name can be stretched to Heaven On Earth, and to go along with burning lungs, if you were in heaven (allegedly in the clouds) the pressure would be immense on your lungs, no? The Earth part also indicates your on earth when it happens.

Just a thought.

Clue:

Show nested quote +
Nemy turned to the commotion and got up to save his friend, only to take a few steps and collapse, with a burning sensation in his lungs, he lay on the ground watching his friend die as the world slowly went black, all he could hear was footsteps walk past him, stop and snicker before continuing on, then he was dead.




I don't think BC would think that deep to make a clue
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 04 2009 13:19 GMT
#912
On May 04 2009 20:50 Ver wrote:
Fishball- I'll be honest: I have a very difficult time reading Fishball. Can't say anything special here other than he's not contributing anything and can easily fit the pattern but who knows.


I've been pretty much the same every game.
I'm never the guy that slaps up big posts with clue analysis. I do speculate on my own, but mostly I read through the clues you guys have on hand and judge what makes sense and what doesn't. I also randomly chat with other players on MSN and accusing all of them Mafia
The only time I become "very active" is when I actually have a job to do, (eg. last game, gathering roles and passing on information), or when I am accused and am on the verge of being lynched.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 06 2009 23:48 GMT
#995
I'm pretty sure a lot of people are going to "miss" Qatol's post if they just skim through it.
Sad but true.

Also, there has been a minor (major?) incident. I guess BC will announce it after the game.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 07 2009 00:32 GMT
#1004
Well the game has to end with one party winning, one way or another.
Even if the town is totally wiped out, the two families would still have to duke it out.
If they want to "hold hands" and call it a game after wiping town out, it would just be unfair as the total of killing power they posses is more than a normal game, and is against the original intent.
If that is the case, and BC somehow "allows" it, I'd say never again implement two or more mafia families into a game again.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 07 2009 00:39 GMT
#1007
IMO, the game should not be "thrown", at least not in this game based on the reason I posted above. If Town throws the game right now, there really is no winner, as the two mafia family are separate parties, and would make the game totally pointless.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 07 2009 00:41 GMT
#1009
Mikeymoo gets my point.

The Mafia can work together, but they cannot AND should not be able to win together, as it would totally defeat the original rule set.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 07 2009 01:07 GMT
#1012
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=92776

^
Start voting people.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 07 2009 18:10 GMT
#1051
On May 08 2009 03:00 mikeymoo wrote:
Oh by the way I would disregard Qatol's list of people to protect. To the people thinking on too low a level, they might suspect that his list has some mafia members on it. However, he posted that knowing that most the town thought he was mafia. There are probably a couple mafia members on it, but definitely not the majority.


Have you not notice yet that the medic list IS the hit list?
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 07 2009 18:28 GMT
#1052
Regardless, it is not a big factor.
After next Day, the Mafia should start focusing on each other, as 90% of active Townies are already dead.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 07 2009 21:21 GMT
#1065
I'm chatting with BC.
I know all the dirty little secrets!
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 08 2009 00:35 GMT
#1246
So my instincts were right regarding L's forced arguments.
Only a couple people saw the flaws of his posts
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 08 2009 02:11 GMT
#1298
On May 08 2009 10:23 Incognito wrote:
Oh and Fishball why did you prot me? I never even talked to you

and this. Please.

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On May 04 2009 17:04 Ace wrote:
After the game is over I'll write up a really long post with some basic tips for playing mafia. No more talking from me.



I've mentioned in the thread, I speculate on my own and act accordingly. All my instincts have all been right this game whether it be luck or not.

I'm not a game changer (write huge articles, clue analysis, lead town etc.) myself for many reasons, but at least I trust my own vision
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 08 2009 02:44 GMT
#1316
On May 08 2009 11:37 Incognito wrote:
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On May 08 2009 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote:
If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed.



I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia.


Um sure but the point is that if they don't know they have to kill each other till the end then they won't. Until you tell them. Telling them makes them nervous and makes them want to kill each other. Unless they want to be screwed/killed off first.


Absolutely. I've already brought up this argument on page 51
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91680&currentpage=51

I've also discussed this topic on MSN with BC.

Bottom line, Mafia parties can work together, but not win together.
Who the hell would join a FFA Starcraft match, when you know you opponents would just gang up on you then ally end?
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 08 2009 02:58 GMT
#1331
On May 08 2009 11:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Part of the issue is, most vets here are efriends now. No one wants to fuck over their buddies.


I have, and would again kill you in a heartbeat
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-08 03:07:01
May 08 2009 03:05 GMT
#1335
On May 08 2009 11:58 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2009 11:44 Fishball wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:37 Incognito wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote:
If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed.



I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia.


Um sure but the point is that if they don't know they have to kill each other till the end then they won't. Until you tell them. Telling them makes them nervous and makes them want to kill each other. Unless they want to be screwed/killed off first.


Absolutely. I've already brought up this argument on page 51
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91680&currentpage=51

I've also discussed this topic on MSN with BC.

Bottom line, Mafia parties can work together, but not win together.
Who the hell would join a FFA Starcraft match, when you know you opponents would just gang up on you then ally end?

If you read the mafia role, you will see that it says nothing about us killing other mafia. Besides, its totally infeasible when you consider our numbers. We HAD to unite. If we hadn't, we would have lost badly.


I know, I never mentioned it was an original rule.

It just HAS to be done this way, or else, the game itself would be pointless.
When BC told me, "One of the Mafia families would just forfeit.", "Town has no chance, etc.", I said it doesn't matter, even if town is totally wiped out.

Even if it is just "symbolic" for the two families to kill each other, the game has to be carried out till the end, or else all would deem pointless.

This is also why I said on page 51, the town should not be able to throw the game.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 08 2009 03:11 GMT
#1338
All of a sudden, randomly, I have an idea for a new role.

A role that can, and must kill someone every night.
If he kills a Mafia, he gets to live on.
If he kills a Townie, he dies as well.
Awards people with good clue/behavioral analysis.
Saves Mafia two kills if they are idiots.

This role should be named Jebus.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 08 2009 03:18 GMT
#1339
On May 08 2009 12:10 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2009 12:05 Fishball wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:58 Qatol wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:44 Fishball wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:37 Incognito wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote:
If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed.



I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia.


Um sure but the point is that if they don't know they have to kill each other till the end then they won't. Until you tell them. Telling them makes them nervous and makes them want to kill each other. Unless they want to be screwed/killed off first.


Absolutely. I've already brought up this argument on page 51
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91680&currentpage=51

I've also discussed this topic on MSN with BC.

Bottom line, Mafia parties can work together, but not win together.
Who the hell would join a FFA Starcraft match, when you know you opponents would just gang up on you then ally end?

If you read the mafia role, you will see that it says nothing about us killing other mafia. Besides, its totally infeasible when you consider our numbers. We HAD to unite. If we hadn't, we would have lost badly.


I know, I never mentioned it was an original rule.

It just HAS to be done this way, or else, the game itself would be pointless.
When BC told me, "One of the Mafia families would just forfeit.", "Town has no chance, etc.", I said it doesn't matter, even if town is totally wiped out.

Even if it is just "symbolic" for the two families to kill each other, the game has to be carried out till the end, or else all would deem pointless.

This is also why I said on page 51, the town should not be able to throw the game.

I just saw the multiple families as a way to make the mafia weaker early on. Mentioning to the town that we did not have to kill each other would have been nice, but we obviously weren't going to reveal that. You guys were depending on it and it actually turned hitting Bockit into the best hit of the game for us.


I can't speak for others, but I definitely was not
After I got back from my business trip, it was already Day 2? I think... Lazy to check.
A day or two later when you swayed the votes to avoid lynching, I checked the history of votes, and thought to myself that town would be done for, as a chunk of town was obviously inactive.

At that point, when BC brought up the option to throw the game, it wasn't even about the Town winning or not anymore, it is for the game's sake that we actually did something "meaningful".
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 10 2009 03:40 GMT
#1458
On May 10 2009 06:13 Qatol wrote:
Fishball was a 50/50 of dying at all.


Why would you guys even consider me, a worthless townie as a target at all

Thread now.

People need to calm down a bit.
Everyone wants a good game here.
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