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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:30 Caller wrote: Couldn't we start by say ordering all current suspects to vote on x person and all others to vote on y person? All deviants could then be lynched, etc. Then we have a dt check x list (or all of them) and one of them posts DT says so-and-so? at which point we see if mafia kills him/her that night and if they don't then we get dt to role-check somebody (like me) and see if they confirm the role or not? And if they role-check mafia, well, free lynch lol. On the other hand if the DT is a fake they'll either reveal themselves really easily or end up sacrificing a mafia to keep the illusion alive for one more turn. On November 03 2008 01:10 Plexa wrote: I think lynching the DT is best.. but we do it like this Day 1 - person speaks up, orders people to vote in places; DT checks him but doesn't speak up Day 2 - person orders a second list of hits; DT checks a list an gets number of mafia Day 3 - DT speaks up, posts all his information and gets lynched Thus the DT has used his two most useful abilities already and is no longer a liability to the town. Knowing a DT is alive and having to protect him every night is a pain in the ass (see Empyrean from last game) especially seeing that the suicide bomber will likely get him. Thus we remove a liability from our side (keeping everything more secret in terms of medics) as well as verifying a leader - who is also a liability (can't have two liabilities am i right?). Also because the lynch lists were ordered, we can easily check lists and find out where the mafia are. Also, if we lynch the person instead of the DT then mafia can just fake-role claim DT and we lose a jack or a veteran. AND we have the possibility of the mafia confusing things when DTs are saying opposing things. Lynching the DT is the only way to be sure. The second part sounds interesting though | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:36 Amber[LighT] wrote: I'm still not following on why we are planning to lynch our own DT's after 3 days. It's not making too much sense at the moment. Why not just keep them alive as long as possible if they get sufficient information. If they get killed then so what, their information will be very helpful either way. I'm going to give your plan another read Ace and we can try it out for a couple of days, but I would rather not lynch someone who's helping us. whoa whoa whoa we only lynch our DTs (and only one of them) ONLY IF A MAFIA CLAIMS TO BE HIT. in other words, we only sacrifice a dt when mafia sacrifice a mafioso | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:36 Amber[LighT] wrote: Case 1: Person claiming vet is mafia I'm still not following on why we are planning to lynch our own DT's after 3 days. It's not making too much sense at the moment. Why not just keep them alive as long as possible if they get sufficient information. If they get killed then so what, their information will be very helpful either way. I'm going to give your plan another read Ace and we can try it out for a couple of days, but I would rather not lynch someone who's helping us. -> DT speaks up on day 3 with information that the person is mafia -> Kills a mafia for the town for the price of one DT (would have happened anyway when person role checks and speaks up if we dont have a leader) -> Get's more information than normally without leader for the life a DT -> Town +1 Mafia -1 DT = reasonably fair trade off Case 2: Person claiming vet is NOT mafia -> DT doesn't speak up -> No one is lynched, and we have a leader | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:40 fusionsdf wrote: basically the only way it doesnt work out is if every single DT is inactive speaking of that, how's the inactive list coming along | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:37 fusionsdf wrote: whoa whoa whoa we only lynch our DTs (and only one of them) ONLY IF A MAFIA CLAIMS TO BE HIT. in other words, we only sacrifice a dt when mafia sacrifice a mafioso Wouldn't we run out of DTs way too quickly then? There's still the remaining 7 mafia that we can't find without the DTs (Well, I guess we can interpret the clues, but it's easier to have the DTs with us) | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On November 03 2008 00:53 fusionsdf wrote: we wont be lynching right away based on inactive but if its like 4hours away from the deadline and you still havent posted anything useful to the town, you are useless, so why should we keep you? Again, for the decaf clues: [C:\Files\tl\Day 4.txt] Line 5 : [4,3]Empyrean got up from his desk, thirsty, went to the break room for a cup of coffee. Line 25 : [4,13]He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. this is from last game. He was innocent. One mention of coffee is just not enough to go on right now. For the people on the list, just try to do something in the next couple of days as long as you arent the most inactive person in the town, you are safe While i agree with said clues about coffee, but, why would chuiu be drinking coffee, and eating his last meal, moments before they were going to lynch him? Seems kind of weird doesn't it? The clues from last game cannot be directly cited for his clue making abilities. Last game, in both of those instances, it was when people were making late nights and needed a drink to keep them going, it just fit in what they were doing. Chuiu drinking coffee before he is about to be lynched, does not "fit" the scenario. The way you look for clues is some of them seemed to be forced, or put in to where a scenario doesn't call for it. Mostly people saying things, items out of place, or words that seem to implicate something other than what it looks like. First sentence with "a moment before he was going to die". A moment is a few seconds, from the sounds of it, it was a few minutes before he was going to be lynched when that sentence was made. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:37 fusionsdf wrote: whoa whoa whoa we only lynch our DTs (and only one of them) ONLY IF A MAFIA CLAIMS TO BE HIT. in other words, we only sacrifice a dt when mafia sacrifice a mafioso OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH okay!! I was reading it and I was not sure why it was even coming up. Okay okay forget it I got it now. With the way this is going I'm going to have 5 pgs of mafia stuff to read if I leave today | ||
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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
Well that's only my opinion | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:51 HeRoS)Pink wrote: If everyone is posting it hides blues equally as well as being inactiveI don't get why we are lynching an inactive townie on day 1, I mean most of the blues won't post much in order to stay alive and use their power at least one time. Since there's no mayor I don't think any DT will try analyzing clues risking to be killed by mafia on night 1, it would be a total waste of a DT. I can only imaging Vet or townies analyzing clues or even mafia. Well that's only my opinion | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:43 JeeJee wrote: speaking of that, how's the inactive list coming along I'll update and repost it probably tonight sometime I dont want to spam it on every page | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:33 Ace wrote: @caller: we cant do that yet. We dont know if the DT giving us the vote check is innocent. If the mafia leave the innocent DT alive how is that much better than the mafia DT living too? With 2 differing accounts or possibly even more we dont know. Even worse if the real DT LIVES we cant trust their list yet. On the contrary, if they let the DT live we order him/her to do a role check of somone and announce it. Then we see if that person confirms said role (unless its mafiaso) If they deny role, lynch the dt. On the other hand, if the person in question flips mafiaso, lynch that person and see how they flip: a positive mafiaso means we keep telling the "DT" to do role checks and list checks: if we get this "DT" and a real DT to do the same list check, even the implied threat (whether or not one will actually get done) will force the "DT" to reveal him/herself as a mafiaso, or to provide the real list (regardless of real identity) and voila, free information. This continues until the "DT" gets killed by mafia or he decides to flip mafia after immolating too many of his brethren in the process. We can do this through ordering people to vote for certain candidates. Now what if a fake DT gets lucky with the role and the other person confirms? Quite simple: if that person survives the next night, check the real dt's affiliation. See results below. What if the DT finds a special role? That's a risk we'll unfortunately have to take: however, during this time, if that person is legit (which we can prove by below) we can send that person all sorts of information and that person can organize it, etc. What if the DT and the person in question are both mafia and they collude to a role? A DT should at this point check affiliation of DT. If they are both mafia, voila 2 dead for a DT. If the 2nd DT is a fake, we lynch the other person and upon the flip green/blue the 2nd DT. If the mafia decide to get sneakier it'll be at the cost of two mafiaso to protect one temporarily, along with some junk information that they'll sprout anyways. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:51 Alventenie wrote: While i agree with said clues about coffee, but, why would chuiu be drinking coffee, and eating his last meal, moments before they were going to lynch him? Seems kind of weird doesn't it? The clues from last game cannot be directly cited for his clue making abilities. Last game, in both of those instances, it was when people were making late nights and needed a drink to keep them going, it just fit in what they were doing. Chuiu drinking coffee before he is about to be lynched, does not "fit" the scenario. The way you look for clues is some of them seemed to be forced, or put in to where a scenario doesn't call for it. Mostly people saying things, items out of place, or words that seem to implicate something other than what it looks like. First sentence with "a moment before he was going to die". A moment is a few seconds, from the sounds of it, it was a few minutes before he was going to be lynched when that sentence was made. well typically when you execute someone you offer them a last meal. The last meal didnt have to be meat and coffee, but mafia dont have to kick people all the time either | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On November 03 2008 01:08 Falcynn wrote: There's also the small chance that the mafia will false claim and get one of their own killed in order to gain the trust of the town. If the town believes that a mafia is detective, he can have a lot of sway over how the town votes. But if the next name comes up blue, then the fake DT gets lynched and you have lost 1 blue name and killed 2 mafia. I don't see why this is not plausible. I am not deviating too far from the strategy Ace mentioned: the DT will be lynched, but only if one of the people he names does NOT come up red. While the names keep coming up red, the DT stays alive. As soon as his information is faulty, we lynch him. How is this not more practical? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
On November 03 2008 00:33 fusionsdf wrote: for the decaf clue, just remember last game: [C:\Files\tl\Day 4.txt] Line 5 : [4,3]Empyrean got up from his desk, thirsty, went to the break room for a cup of coffee. Line 25 : [4,13]He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. and he was innocent. not really; decaf was a jack who acted as a vigilante and fragged someone. Clues left behind could very much be pointing to him. | ||
Empyrean
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