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On November 07 2008 03:15 fusionsdf wrote:
yes, but the overarching theme could point to one mafia, with small clues in each paragraph devoted to the other mafia.
Very much a possibility.
On November 07 2008 03:36 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 03:30 MTF wrote:
"inflated Caller into inextricable"
Insulted, Individual saw Caller's criticism as open revolt and [killed Caller*] in an impossibly complex way.
*the inflated is literally the only thing that doesn't make sense in this sentence To inflate = to blow up, perhaps using explosives? Just a thought.
Haha, I kept picturing him sticking an air pump into Caller's mouth, but explosives seem much more likely. :p
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Before anyone tries to say that the amount of little correlation between the days disproves my earlier clue analysis, consider two facts about the previous games run by Chuiu. Firstly, not every mafia member is in every post, even in the very first one. Mafia tend to make what seems to be random appearances rather than strictly consecutive ones. Secondly, remember that not all clues to the same person are going to be so obviously connected from the start. My success last game was partially due to having had a full six days of clues for me to start with when I began analysing, giving me a lot of material to work with. This is only our second day.
Possible connections between Day 1 and Day 2:
Anonymous:
"The former mayor flung downward violently and lunged back and forth trying to escape."
Just an example of quick movement, not a very strong connection.
"A few people didn't know what was going on but a riot broke out quickly."
Strong reactive quality mixed with speed.
Man:
Can't find any connections.
Individual:
Can't find any connections.
Neighbor:
"Vengeance was the theme and they felt nothing but ill regard for many of Chuiu's accusers."
Strong mention of the open ill-intent aspect of Neighbor.
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Well, my vote was already cast as soon as Folca turned up blue, even though I was hoping to pin someone strongly with the clues today.
I vote to lynch Ace.
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Awesome job, Mynock.  Mafia has to be hurting now, losing three members right in a row for very little. If we can pin one of them tonight, we've pretty much secured ourselves a victory, barring any incredibly bad luck.
Alright, I'll do some basic clue stuff while I'm on and cross-reference it to the other Day posts later tonight. 'Since there are no names being used this time around, I'll just quote relevant sections and call them Mafia A, B, etc..
Mafia A:
"Yogurt tripped his opponent and went to grab him on the ground except his hand was burned by his opponent."
Well, this one is pretty glaring. Somebody is on fire or superheated in some way.
"His opponent tripped him also to the ground and quickly got up to his feet, with time to spare he picked the best place to strike and crushed Yogurt's chest."
"With time to spare" seems like the clue here. It suggests that Mafia A is either very fast or some more general relation to time.
Mafia B:
"just as little luck with his opponent and things got worse when it turned into a knife fight."
Maybe referring to someone with bad luck.
"His agile opponent grabbed Mandalor on the shoulder and pulled him close"
Another fast person, more bluntly spelled in Mafia B's case.
"To finish Mandalor off he pulled the blade all the way to the other end of his stomach."
I don't what to make of it, but it is a peculiar way to die. Perhaps it indicates strength or some other physical feature, but I doubt it. I expect it will be something more subtle than that.
Mafia C:
"investigating a sound he heard behind his house but now he was fighting someone unknown to him."
I saw this all over the place last game...Maybe a recurring Mafia? We have three former mafia members playing in this game: Clazziquai, Infundibulum, and KF91. The person who was most related to sound last game was KF91.
"Being a trained martial artist he was able to block most of his opponents attacks but wasn't able to land many off himself."
Whoever he is, he's hard, but not impossible, to hit. I can't see any direct relation to the three former Mafia, so perhaps the first clue isn't a clue at all.
"However with a forceful push bumatlarge fell to the ground and his opponent had plenty of time to pull out a pistol and shoot him in the head."
I'm confused about the wording here. I can't tell who is the one that did the pushing, which could be a key point, especially if it was Bum. It may be some sort of reactive force? Either that or just something resolute/strong pushing Bum down.
Mafia(s) D:
(note that Decaf was one of the mafia in this, so this should all pertain to just one person)
"found two people trying to scale the side of the building. When they spotted Amber[Light] they started walking towards him instead."
Seeing as it involves two people, it may not be a clue. On the chance that it is, however, it should be noted that they were only trying, implying perhaps something/someone that would find it difficult to climb a wall.
"Amber[Light], feeling quite threatened,"
Person is perhaps intimidating, though I hesitate to say so given the next clue.
"One of them restrained Amber[Light] lightly and pulled out a small knife to kill him with. Amber[Light] broke free and started to run away"
Note the key details. "lightly", "small knife" and that Amber broke free. We're dealing with a weak individual.
"then abandoned his partner and ran off as he was being shot at himself."
A coward as well?
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Alright, working on the cross-referencing now. In the meantime, as I don't think Fusion has any reason to lie:
I vote to lynch Fanatacist.
If Fanatacist doesn't turn up red, I hope Fusion survives to tell us who the DT was.
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Possible connections:
I couldn't find any relations between Day 1 and Day 3, and only one between Day 2 and Day 3. I'm not too worried about it, though. I think we'll see red tonight, and then I'll have another set of clues to interpret that might lead into a more cohesive view. The clues should start merging together more easily in the next few Day cycles, and if they don't then I'll just have to redo them all with a fresh eye.
Mafia A (Day 3) & Anonymous (Day 2):
The only tangible connection I can find is that they are both quick moving and reactive. Possible confliction with the deaths, as Empyrean died in relation to medical terms, and there is no mention of being burnt by Anonymous.
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Alright, so I get on to find a motion towards lynching me. :p In humor, I actually agree that the analysis put forth is viable to use against me and don't blame those using it to make a judgement call to lynch me.
However, I still disagree with the alliteration thing. For a brief reason as to why:
(italics are possible inclusions if you want to provide that leeway)
A Names (5/6):
+ Show Spoiler +
Araav
Ace
Alventenie
Amber[Light]
Artanis[Xp]
[Gitm-]Ace
I Names (2):
+ Show Spoiler +
M Names (5):
+ Show Spoiler +
Mikeymoo
MTF
Mynock
MidnightGladius
Mandalor
N Names (1/3):
+ Show Spoiler +
Nemy
Rts)Night[mare
G.s)Naruto
Now, just looking at the numbers alone, how likely do you think it is that Chuiu would hand us this information, presuming that the alliteration is based off of the first word of a persons name? There were only two people with the letter I, and just one (or three if you make the exception, but even still) in the letter N. If it feels at all logical to conclude that the alliteration has this meaning, then I'd like to hear why, without the post hoc reasoning involving the currently dead mafia representing letters so far present.
Personally, I don't think Chuiu thinks we are dumb enough to need that sort of help. If you feel like lynching me based off of clues, that's fine, if ironic for me. But please don't do it because my name starts with the letter M. :p
On a non-me related topic, it's nice to see that Fanatacist turned up red. I honestly didn't think fusion was mafia in the first place, and him coming out with info after what happened on the first day cemented his innocence. Also, wow, vigilantes have been pretty damn accurate and active thus far, which is a smart decision on their parts. A vigi killed before hits are out is a waste. Town is an incredibly good position to win because of some brilliant play.
As for Plexa, the clues against him are pretty weak with the exception of the missing set of prints and the original clue that might have been linked to the spirit thing on the first day. I don't agree with lynching him yet, but I do say that it would be a good idea to keep him in mind in case stronger clues present themselves.
Speaking of, it's time for me to do my thing.
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Note: As formatting is being a bitch for me, I'm breaking this into multiple posts. This is also why this post is edited.
~Sorry this took so long. This is my second time writing this, as the first time one of my hard drives stopped being read and my entire computer froze to the point that I couldn't save the document, and then I got wrapped up for a bit helping my fiance with a phonetics project.~
It's getting really difficult to organize this because of mafia not really having any names this time around.  I'm going to assume that MidnightGladius was a vigikill based on the fact that he was a town suspect and mafia only had three hits, so I won't analyze that paragraph. I'll be doing this in a point-by-point manner, so that reasoning can be easily followed. O, and thanks to araav for the profile list - it makes my job much easier.
"Time wasn't wasted as the two men attacked aZnvaLiaNce and Bockit."
Time is again featured. However, I don't think it's a broad-sweeping time reference, but rather a frame of, given that it shows up frequently throughout the other Day posts as well. In this specific instance, it suggests that one/both of the mafia involved here are either timely or impatient/enthusiastic.
Mafia S: (they aren't named, but it's easy to follow still who was attacking who)
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +"The first took bold strikes at his opponent and did very little damage as Bockit defended himself against the attacks. This is a very telling set of clues. It implicates somebody both fearless/eager and yet weak at the same time. "Bockit went on the offense and started landing blow after blow on his opponent who was backing up in defense." Alongside doing little damage, he isn't very good at protecting himself. "Bockit continued to follow his opponent further but soon stopped as he was tripped to the ground." So, the weak mafia isn't entirely defenseless, as he trips Bockit up somehow as he retreats. Perhaps a trap or extending body part. "Bockit was quickly restrained and found his opponent wrapping something around his neck and tightening it, causing him to lose his breath. Don't know exactly what to make of this. Perhaps the same object that Bockit tripped over is in use here. "Bockit struggled all he could but eventually suffocated to death." I'm not sure there's a clue here, but it could relate to the earlier clues regarding the mafia's own personality.
Possible Connections:
[Gitm]-Ace:
+ Show Spoiler +His quote connects to Mafia S being determined, yet ultimately inadequate. It also may directly connect with the phrase "struggled all he could". I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me.
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Uh, formatting isn't working for my post. I'll try breaking it up into several posts. Please don't ban me for it. : x
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(Seems like it was just part of the other post that was screwing up the formatting, so here is the rest.)
Mafia T:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +"The other waited in defense and taunted aZnvaLiaNce to attack him first." The mafia is on the defensive, most certainly. "aZnvaLiaNce finally did strike first but was quickly stopped as his opponent stopped defending and struck at an exposed spot, causing aZnvaLiaNce to fall to the ground instantly in pain. Not much to say here, just noting it. "aZnvaLiaNce got up and just as he did so he was head butted and knocked back to the ground." He either doesn't have hands to strike with or just has a strong head. "aZnvaLiaNce was pretty dizzy after the blow and stumbled to his feet, but didn't get far as he was grabbed by his opponent." This suggests that the mafia does indeed have hands, so the headbutting is either not a clue, or is indicative of a preference for using the head to strike, not a requirement. "Readied for a final blow, aZnvaLiaNce was struck hard by another headbutt, this one shattering his skull and killing him in the process." So, here is another headbutt, which actually shatters Azn's skull. This shows that he has a pretty damn strong skeletal structure or head.
Possible Connections:
MTF:
+ Show Spoiler +Picture may relate to the defensive nature of Mafia T. Also, if a turtle were to attack, it would probably have to use its head, though the grabbing of Azn leaves a hole in this connection.
Mafia U:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +"Looking down he saw that the battery wire was loose almost as if it had been tugged off the connector from a weird angel." I'm assuming the last word was meant to be angle. It is not instantly indicative of anything, but it's something to note. "G.s)NarutO was pulled by his hair away from the van and his opponent shared a few blows to the chest with him." The first bolded portion (and indeed most of the paragraph) indicates a brawler-type personality to me. The second portion is peculiar, as its wording (shared with him instead of hit by/hit him) displays a mirrored effect. "Trying to get away G.s)NarutO threw a couple needles in his pocket at his assailant but it did little good especially considering they were safely covered." Ignoring that they were covered, it seems the personal is either impervious or at least tough to hit/penetrate. "Cracking a needle on the ground his opponent walked toward G.s)NarutO and gave him an uppercut sending him flying backward landing on the ground. Again, the brawler aspect. Also, because I'm thinking about the "hard to hit" aspect in relation to Plexa's spirit stuff, note that the mafia cracks a needle that he walks over and is thus solid. "Just before he could get up he felt the stab of the unshattered needle in his skin and fell unconscious. G.s)NarutO died shortly after when injected by several more of his needles." Note that Naruto dies by his own medicines, which may coincide with the "shared blows" earlier.
Possible Connections:
Zbir:
+ Show Spoiler +
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So, I just connected three people, including myself, upon my analysis of todays clues. I feel most strongly about the connection to [Gitm-]Ace, but seeing as there's already a movement to lynch ZBiR, I will vote for him instead.
I vote to lynch ZBiR.
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Well, it looks like I'm dead tonight. Before I die I'd like to say that town has been playing pretty damn well this game, especially vigilantes/Jacks who used vigikill abilities. This is on top of town having no beginning structure (which I was not a part of this game ;_; ) and creating one for itself. So, good job to those involved.
As for my defense, I don't believe I can come up with a solid one. I'm stuck with my turtle here. :p
GG and GL, all.
Edit: O, and I vote for [GiTM-]Ace.
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On November 17 2008 07:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:
;-;....I still refuse to think you're mafia...
Sorry to disappoint. T_T
GG, guys.
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On November 19 2008 01:56 imDerek wrote:haha im the last detective.. checked plexa yesterday turns out he is indeed mafia, good work townies 
This makes everything all the more humorous. XD
To clarify what others were saying earlier in reference to you getting killed:
We wanted to kill you off on the same day that Nemy went boom and decaf got vigi'ed. But, because of one/both of them dying, our killing power got cut for the night and you were the exclusion from the list.
Then we wanted to put you into the next one, but priorities came up in other people, so you were excluded again.
By the way, I don't blame anybody for mafia-side getting essentially steamrolled this game. Town just played a brilliant behind-the-scenes game and worked very well together to take us out piece by piece.
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On November 19 2008 05:43 Mandalor wrote:
But why did you kill meeeeeeeee? 8[
sucks dying so early every mafia game...
gg town! we rock :D
Mostly because you were attempting to organize town. We had a false security in thinking that town couldn't organize so early in a quiet way with no mayor. So, in our minds, people attempting openly to get everyone together should get killed off quickly.
We were, y'know, wrong about the behind-the-sceneds
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On November 19 2008 06:56 fusionsdf wrote:
also why was I like never targeted lol
I was both assumed innocent, and had obviously made contact with a DT
and yet you guys only sent one hit after me once
We didn't feel it was prudent to kill you off immediately. I had hoped you'd feel some sort of comraderie with me and Plexa from the past game. The night Nemy blew up we hit you just hoping all the medics were on Mynock, but we got outmaneuvered badly there. Thereafter, we figured that we should try to root out the DT/Vigi team instead of the outspoken people, and also figured that you would still be protected. With three hits at that point, using all three on you with the chance to still not kill you off wasn't such an appealing idea. :p
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On November 19 2008 09:53 JeeJee wrote:
i doubt that meant anything to the mafia
mtf help me out here?
I thought you might have had a role or at least have been in contact with the organizers, and that's what we were targetting for.
That's the beginning and end of it, really. : x
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On November 19 2008 10:39 Chuiu wrote:
Sorry I didn't have time to post roles and everything earlier, I'll get them up in the next hour or two but I'm still a bit busy. I'll post clues tomorrow sometime as I don't have those ready either.
For the record the whole N for nemy A for Ace, m for MTF etc stuff wasn't the clues for day two either. The nuke in N was the clue and it pointed to Plexa. Explanation: Plexa banned opz or in other words he 'nuked' him (gave him the nuke icon). It wasn't an easy clue and I didn't expect anyone to get it but I also really didn't think anyone would interpret letters being associated with names especially considering people have symbols at the start of their names sometimes also. I used different letters because I really couldn't see myself coming up with 4 different deaths using the same letter without getting more redundant than I already was and because I had to use specific words to make clues with. (hence N for nuke) And you gotta understand, mafia, I can't just step in and start saying 'no that doesn't point to that' or whatever to save you guys from sudden death.
I don't think any of us expected this. Don't worry about it.
I knew that the alliteration couldn't really be pointing to letters in our names, anyway. I wasn't just denying it's existence because I was mafia, guys. :p Seriously, you'd have to think Chuiu was essentially handing you an easy guidebook to who to kill off, especially when you take into account that Nemy was the only true N.
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On November 19 2008 12:14 fusionsdf wrote:
Maybe you would, but plexa should know how paranoid I am
Ah, well. :p We made a mistake in not hitting you earlier.
Plexa wasn't around much to advise us on that aspect, but that wasn't his fault.
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