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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
I don't think its his intention, just works out that way. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On June 27 2008 01:48 araav wrote: BUT let's take the CDRdude guy, his posts and behaviour during the game are suspicious... read here - http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69736#7 especially this: ok, we know he's not blue, so why would he be so excited about it? and this: 8. CDRdude CLEARLY NOT MAFIA btw, he has promted randombum, some people voted for randombum based on CDR's promotion Good catch, let's get to work on clue association! | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On June 27 2008 01:48 araav wrote: qrs, that really may be him, but given an active townie (at least nemY votes) and an inactive (str), I'd go after str. araav, I don't see what you mean. nemY may be town or he may be Mafia. If he is town, his vote helps the town insofar as it can cancel out one mafia vote. If he is mafia, his vote hurts the town to the same degree: it can cancel out one town vote. Moreover, since the mafia has perfect information whereas the town does not, a mafia vote is arguably more useful than a town vote (i.e. theoretically if it came down to the wire and the mafia was close to swaying the vote, an extra townie vote might help the town (if he voted for the right person), whereas an extra mafia vote would certainly help the mafia.) So I don't see why nemY's voting should make a difference. Wysp, I plan to vote for nemY next day (assuming continued health, naturally), unless you can give us a hint as to how this plan might work. Or if it's dangerous to post it in the thread, you can PM me. Or if you don't trust me, that's OK, but don't expect me to trust the plan either.  | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On June 27 2008 02:57 Wysp wrote: On another note: I'd just ignore most of what qrs is says. He's been a cunt and a shit disturber most of the game. Oh, have I? I've refused to take things on faith; that's true enough. I've been right some of the time and wrong some of the time. I've been active throughout the game, unlike you. I won't stoop to insulting you back, but keep your foul language to yourself, please, or at least out of the thread. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On June 27 2008 03:25 qrs wrote: araav, I don't see what you mean. nemY may be town or he may be Mafia. If he is town, his vote helps the town insofar as it can cancel out one mafia vote. If he is mafia, his vote hurts the town to the same degree: it can cancel out one town vote. Moreover, since the mafia has perfect information whereas the town does not, a mafia vote is arguably more useful than a town vote (i.e. theoretically if it came down to the wire and the mafia was close to swaying the vote, an extra townie vote might help the town (if he voted for the right person), whereas an extra mafia vote would certainly help the mafia.) So I don't see why nemY's voting should make a difference. Wysp, I plan to vote for nemY next day (assuming continued health, naturally), unless you can give us a hint as to how this plan might work. Or if it's dangerous to post it in the thread, you can PM me. Or if you don't trust me, that's OK, but don't expect me to trust the plan either. Not necessarily. Here is the list of everyone who voted yesterday: suresh0t - 7 nemY Wysp ShaLLoW[baY] araav ZBiR Scorch Lysithea KF91 nemY - 4 jtan BuGzlToOnl (of course you do) qrs suresh0t And I abstained. Assuming that we keep nemY, he is only one vote of the possible 12 voters at the moment. He doesn't really influence votes anyway, which doesn't mean he's a townie or mafia 100%, but we, as a town, are not in a position to risk a vote on someone who at least votes. Killing off someone who doesn't even participate in the lynchings will still give us 10 votes tomorrow, and 8 the next day. Killing nemY means we move from 12, to 10, to 7. 7 is a really bad number with so few mafia members left, we need to keep the people who are alive and voting around, even if they are mafia. They will come about soon, don't worry. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
-I dunno about the CDRDude --> ??? mafia connection. Yeah he's on the Showtime! List, but his inactivity throughout most of the middle-end seems... I dunno just not mafiaish I guess. Besides I haven't seen anything that could really match "CDR" or "Dude". -qrs, I'd argue the information you've brought up, but as you said most of it is circumstantial. I'll concede that the Mr. Blond/Cottonmouth kill does look awfully suspicious of me, but that's one days worth of clues. The suspicious behavior part I find ridiculous and hypocritical, but given that this game is drawing to an end, I suppose most everyone, but Wysp's posts could be deemed "suspicious" :/ -On a final note, I think jtan is mafia. His reason for voting to lynch me is weak, and he still hasn't addressed the points I made way back on page 301 Yeah sure he came up with some lame excuse that clazz was trying to cover me (given clazz's behavior throughout most the game, I'd say that's highly unlikely), but he never addressed why RANDOMBUM (now a confirmed mafioso) would accuse me. Might as well tally up suresh0t to that list. Could add L, but I suppose that's beating the bush, besides he said he voted to lynch me for "giggles". Reverse this situation, WHOSE been mafia that's voted for jtan? Answer? None. He's been suspected, but nothing ever concrete came up of it. From my view of things, it looks like jtan was trying to split yesterday's lynch vote... therefore he's highly suspicious to me. Then again, what have I ever said that's been taking seriously?  edit: seriously not serious lol | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
On June 27 2008 03:31 qrs wrote: Oh, have I? I've refused to take things on faith; that's true enough. I've been right some of the time and wrong some of the time. I've been active throughout the game, unlike you. I won't stoop to insulting you back, but keep your foul language to yourself, please, or at least out of the thread. this is the cuntish shit disturbing I'm talking about. I'm a confirmed townie, and despite your best efforts mafia have been hung. If I tell you shit (because YOU aren't confirmed,) the operation could very well go foul. If I publicly announce it, it goes foul 100%. Use your brain. You consistantly try to lead people to the worse choice. Do I think its because you're mafia? Not necessarily, you could just be 'dull' (sugar coated enough?) | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On June 27 2008 13:29 Wysp wrote: this is the cuntish shit disturbing I'm talking about. I'm a confirmed townie, and dispite your best efforts mafia have been hung. If I tell you shit (because YOU aren't confirmed,) the operation could very well go foul. If I publicly announce it, it goes foul 100%. Use your brain. You consistantly try to lead people to the worse choice. Do I think its because you're mafia? Not necessarily, you could just be 'dull' (sugar coated enough?) haha, this is exactly how Ace would post to qrs coincidence? i think not! | ||
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Wysp
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On June 27 2008 13:29 Wysp wrote: this is the cuntish shit disturbing I'm talking about. I'm a confirmed townie, and despite your best efforts mafia have been hung. If I tell you shit (because YOU aren't confirmed,) the operation could very well go foul. If I publicly announce it, it goes foul 100%. Use your brain. You consistantly try to lead people to the worse choice. Do I think its because you're mafia? Not necessarily, you could just be 'dull' (sugar coated enough?) Oh can it, Wysp. "Despite my best efforts?" "Consistently try to lead people to the worst choice?" You mean like trying to get them to vote for suresh0t for about 10 days in a row? Or you mean like trying to stop them from voting for wurm when he was a possible medic and not a confirmed mafioso? Or like pointing out when MTF was on the wrong track with Cottonmouth's numbers? Heck, I don't need to defend myself from you. You've done nothing all game but hide underground. Finally at the end of the game you step out as someone else's mouthpiece and you think that that makes you a bigshot. When you do say something that you come up with yourself, you get your facts wrong. Go ahead and back up something you say: about me, about nemY, I don't care. Show that my posts have consistently been advocating the wrong choice. Or show that nemY is a townie. Or, if you can't do any of that, just stuff it. | ||
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araav
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qrs
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Camlito
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On June 27 2008 23:38 Wysp wrote: qrs, its been the entire game you've been bad and you know it. Its almost as easy to click a random page to see you causing shit. LOL, you're the one causing it now, aren't you? I'm being fairly restrained while someone who hasn't even participated all game slings insults at me. If you seriously feel the need to press your point about how "the entire game I've been bad", go ahead and back it up. Otherwise, go back into your hole, since you have nothing worth saying. Don't be a hypocrite. | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
I still do not understand your mistrust of me. -8 veterans reported to ace, the fake one died. -The last string of mafia have been hung, not a difficult task, but good analysis is out for some other potential mafia and the group I'm working with is doing great as of now. So, I can say with little confidence that I am a townie, and the people I'm working with are not yet proven inept. Why is it so hard to listen to me and look for other mafia, does the order you hang them in matter? I never said nemY is an innocent, I said it would be goddamn retarded to hang him now as it will become more and more clear in the next few days if that is a high percentage hang. There is absolutely no reason to go for him when there are far better leads, AND info will come out about him in the future. So when you spit in the face of logic do you understand why I try to get people to ignore you? I could kick shit at you all day, as I am quite the shit-kicker. The difference between my shit kicking and your shit kicking is that I've only kicked shit at you. You've been causing controversy (disruptive to the point you made a few short lists to be mafia throughout the game) and absolutely nothing good has come of it (well, maybe if you had been hung...) I don't hate you, and I would love to appease you by explaining to you the depths (shallows) of my plans. But this would ruin them. I'm not completely sure why I bothered with this post, but I will make it worthwhile in the end by saying again: its probably in our best interest to ignore qrs. edit: by ignore I don't mean to ignore any good work with clues he does, or incriminating posts he digs up, but rather to ignore anything that he posts based on his intuition or 'game sense.' | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
-Of course I believe that you're a townie. I also think that some of the analysis that you posted was good (e.g. the case for str). When did I ever say otherwise? What I did say was that I planned to vote for nemY. When asked, I gave the reasons why I thought that he was Mafia. -The only thing I said that might fall under the heading of "mistrusting you" is this plan you talk about. This is true: I don't like taking plans like this on trust. First of all, follow-the-leader is not a fun game to play. I don't mind going along with someone if I know why I'm voting, but if he just says, "vote for whom I say," it's a different story. Second of all, how do I know whether the plan is a good plan or not? I know nothing about it. -I didn't expect you necessarily to post the plan in the thread. Without knowing anything about it, how would I know whether it could be foiled? I didn't expect you necessarily to PM me, but since there have been no real suspicions raised against me this game, I thought you might trust me. Or not. That's up to you, as my trusting your plan is up to me. I never said nemY is an innocent Your exact words were there is a very low chance that nemY is mafia. No explanation given.As for the rest of your post, I'll leave you the last word; maybe that way we can lay this to rest. | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
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