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Personally, I'm willing to discount iNfuNdiBuLuM: he appears on the Showtime list as well, and I'm convinced that nemY is the mafioso on that list. Ninja4ever has appeared on suspect lists and been closely scrutinized since the beginning, but nothing much was ever turned up on him. He was an early suspect for Mr. Blonde, who I now believe to be nemY.
That leaves BWdero. He's flown under the radar, for the most part: after all, his profile doesn't contain much to link clues with. It's one of those profiles that must be frustrating to anyone trying to make clues for Mafia...
Talking of frustrating, it's hard to believe that we haven't found Cottonmouth yet. Early on we connected him to the number 15, and that number kept appearing night after night in the number of weapons Cottonmouth uses. Yet we have not been able to find anyone to link it to...
But we were speaking of BWdero. Indeed, his profile is frustrating. Almost nothing there. A country of origin: the Netherlands. And two dates:
Friday, 15th of February 2008
October 15, 1989
I rest my case.
So is Wysp's lol.
+ Show Spoiler +
He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again. He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead
-displays superhuman speed
-rammed into his target
-possibly? Killed target.
Evening seemed to drag on forever as everyone worried over the turn of events the town faced. But when night finally came, the red moon stared them back in the face like a terrifying omen. Nobody knew how or when the mafia would strike, or what their real intentions were if any, but a few were up late losing sleep over it. Over at casa Mynock he was frying himself a late night snack and watching a rerun of the news from earlier that night. He turned around to get something from his fridge when he noticed the lights out in his living room. With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving straight into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring. He tried to find the shotgun he had stashed in his closet but only found a smiley in its place. He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.
-came down from ceiling
-was bashed in the face by target
-target went to look for his shotgun but found only a smiley “” face in it’s place
-eliminates target with shotgun before target could reach him
Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look. He could see d.arkive running through some corridors looking for someone, anyone. He found Hittegods. d.arkive ran towards Hittegods as he was examining some photos and hit a button. An explosion ripped apart nearly half of the building and it sent everyone outside ducking for cover as debris flew all over. "Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.
They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground. But just as soon as he did Mr. White smashed another pipe laying around in the back of xDark.Carnivalx's head. Another couple blows and xDark.Carnivalx was dead.
-dodges the remains of a flying door
-“jets” to his target, again with the super speed
-soundly hits his target twice (one punch, one kick)
-retreats when his target wields a weapon
G.s)NarutO was doing monk things in his monk place with his monk friends when he decided it was late and he wanted to go to sleep. On the way to his room he encountered Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde mocked G.s)NarutO for his failed attempts at helping the town and then pulled out a gun to kill him. G.s)NarutO wasn't ready to give up on life completely though and thought he could redeem himself by taking out this man for the town. He charged towards Mr. Blonde and tried to grab his gun but Mr. Blonde was a bit faster to respond and shot him twice in the leg. He finished it by shooting G.s)NarutO in the head and made his escape through a window before getting caught by a horde of monks.
-mocks his target for his failures
-wields a gun
-again with the speed, he dodges his target’s attack and injures his target
-eliminates his target with a gunshot to the head
Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth were at AmorVincitOmnia's convenience store right before closing. They wanted everyones attention right away so Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, a move that shattered all the windows. Inside AmorVincitOmnia was cashing Alventenie's purchase and they both immediately looked at Mr. Blonde shocked at what just happened. Both Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth ran towards them and stabbed each of them through the shoulders with a knife. Mr. Blonde had AmorVincitOmnia pinned up against a wall and Cottonmouth had Alventenie on another. AmorVincitOmnia pushed and shoved and tried to get free but Mr. Blonde stabbed three more knives into each arm and three into each leg. Then to finish him off he stabbed two more into AmorVincitOmnia's chest. Alventenie already exhausted from the day he had put up little resistance as Cottonmouth stabbed three knives in his other arm and each leg. Then stabbed five more in the shape of a pentagon and finally killed off Alventenie.
-charges through the front door, which ends up shattering all the nearby/surrounding windows (assuming this is a convenience store with many windows)
-stabs his target with 15 knifes, 3 in each arm, 3 in each leg, 2 in the chest, and 1 in the original location where he first stabbed his target (3x4)+2+1 = 15
-does not match Cottonmouth’s killing pattern (aside from the 15 knifes, Cottonmouth went 1 in the shoulder, 3 in one arm, 3 in both legs (which is 1+(3x3) = 10), and finished his target with 5 (in the shape of a pentagram) in his target’s chest (15 knifes total)
Losing two members that day the mafia decided to pull all the stops and hit the town where it mattered. They were through messing around and Mr. Orange, Eddie, and Mr. Blonde were about to prove that by taking out Fanatacist and Ace once and for all. Ace and Fanatacist were sitting at a desk going over detective files trying to find the remaining few mafia when the three barged into the room. Ace quickly grabbed the phone to call for backup but it was too late as Mr. Orange had landed a dagger right on the phone line cutting him off. Mr. Blonde shot across the room and grabbed all the notes dumping them into a trash bin nearby. He lit a match and set the whole thing on fire hoping this was the last copy the town had to go off. Mr. Orange, Mr. Blonde and Eddie all got out pistols and fired round after round at Ace and Fanatacist who were helpless to stop them. Eddie went up to Ace and he was terrified as Eddie finished him off but firing one last round into his head.
-again with the speed, Mr. Blonde “shoots” across the room
-burns the town’s notes
-pulls out a pistol and finishes the two targets with the combined help from Eddie, and Mr. Orange
Cottonmouth organized a strike force of mafia to take on a few troublesome townies who had the tendency to keep watches at night. With three mafia it would be sufficient enough to take on three regular joes. So he, along with the Wolf and Mr. Blonde, went to Jimtudor's house and broke in. This automatically set off their home made alarm system and the mafia squelched it right after but the damage was done and they were alerted to mafia presence. Supah, Alethios, and Jimtudor got ready with their handmade weapons, aware that most of the time Mafia did not carry weapons favoring to kill without alerting the neighborhood to their presence. Cottonmouth expecting more trouble went back to his car and handed five plumbata's to each of his comrades. Prepared for the fight to come they burst through the basement door and each threw one at their targets. Two missed and one hit a garbage can lid that Supah was using as a shield. The townies made their counter attack, the stairs leading down to the basement collapsed and the mafia came crashing down hard stunning and injuring them. Not enough though as they were able to ward off the crude melee weapons the town had fashioned from a yard rake, a baseball bat, and a broken chain. Mr. Blonde was able to grab a hold of the yard rake Supah was using and kicked it to break it in half, the Wolf grabbed hold of the chain and pulled it out of Jimtudor's hand then flung it to the side and tossed one of his remaining darts in his shoulder, and Cottonmouth deflected Alethios baseball bat and stabbed him in the foot with a dart. Mr. Blonde threw two plumbata's at Supah and then used the broken off rake handle and stabbed him with it, he then finished off Supah by stabbing a dart into his face. The Wolf lunged for the chain and wrapped it around Jimtudor's leg, then he pulled hard and caused him to fall to the ground. Cottonmouth finished off Alethios by stabbing the rest of the darts into his chest. And the three ganged up on Jimtudor and plunged their remaining darts into his face.
-trips the alarm system (well all 3 of them do)
-throws a plumbata but misses all 3 of the targets
-grabs hold of the yard rake his target was using and breaks it in half by kicking it (possibly requiring some speed/force/strength to do this, it’s hard to recreate an accurate visual in my mind of this scene)
-distracts his target by throwing two plumbata’s into at his target and then uses the broken yard rake to stab his target
-finishes his target by stabbing him in the face with a plumbata
-assists his other two mafia members in eliminating the final target when they all stab the remaining darts into the target’s face
In the dark shed in ShaLLoW[baY]'s backyard Mr. Blonde gleefully waiting in silence clutching his weapon. ShaLLoW[baY] made his way to the shed slowly inspecting his petunias after the storm had passed. He was shocked to say the least when he opened the door. Mr. Blonde swatting ShaLLoW[baY] with the front end of the yard tool causing him to stumble backward into a trap Mr. Blonde had set of several nails on the ground. Having punctured his foot on a rather rusty one ShaLLoW[baY] began hopping frantically trying to pry the devil from his foot as he screamed in pain. Mr. Blonde used this opportunity to maneuver himself behind his victim and he killed ShaLLoW[baY] in one swift vengeful blow by shoving the rake up his ass.
-“gleefully” waits for his target with his weapon
-sets a trap for his target
-smacks his target with a yard rake causing his target to fall back onto some rusty nails (the trap)
-eliminates his target by raping him with the rake
-kills his target with a “swift vengeful blow” (rape raking), again with the speed and power
My suspect for Mr. Blonde = HotZhot
Why? For a number of reasons
-claims to have known who the true Mr. Blonde is, but has revealed 0 relevant information
-his profile picture comes from an anime, most notably a hentai that GranDim found out on page 184
On April 04 2008 12:37 GranDim wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [The Wolf] +
The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.
The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later.
- One shot kill
- targets the head
HotZhot is my primary suspect here. Notably because he has such good aim and whatnot. However, i am hesitant to convict him at this stage because of this;
His profile image looks like a wolf person - this means (imo) that he cannot be the character "The Wolf" with such a strong connection to the name. Up to the town i guess!
More on the picture
Its a crop from this wallpaper
The character is from a hentai series http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1524,rfykgv,maho_shojo_ai.html (work safe link). However I doubt this has much relevance, unless chuiu is heavily into anime wallpapers or hentai he couldn't have made that link.
most specifically if you read the link you'll notice this,
Yuragi noticed Akitoshi and began to attack him. Then, the fighter, Ai, appeared and cut them down.
the fighter comes out of nowhere and eliminates the target, this I feel bodes well with the whole theme of Mr. Blonde displaying superhuman speed.
-his name, HotZhot which can be interpreted to mean "Hot Shot" fits well with the Day 7 and 9 killings, why? Because people who are "Hot Shots" are generally stuck up and full of themselves
+ Show Spoiler +
consider that with Mr. Blonde's mocking of Naruto and his desire to "get everyone's attention in the double murder or Amor and Alvientene"
-the "i only smile in the dark" connects well with Day 2's killing of Mynock and Day 17's killing of Shallow[bay] (gleefully --> smiling in the dark)
-the raping of shallow[bay] connects very well with the overall hentai theme of his profile picture ;/
Looking back on it, the smiley face in Day 2 was almost certainly Clazzaquai's doing, his profile quote was something like "me from kirbati, no speak english^^';"
As most everyone on here knows, "^^;" is a korean/anime face for smiling =/
Regardless how you guys feel about this, I think it's safe to say the mirror theory is flawed. Mr. Blonde has yet to directly mirror anyone's actions. I'm still working on a few other viable leads =/
Clazziquai was Mr. Brown
Ieatkids5 was Mr. White
Randombum was Eddie
Unforgiven_ve was Joe
LTT was Mr. Pink
BlindAlbino was Black Mamba
Mandalor was Snake Charmer
0cz3z was Copperhead
Bockit was California Mountain Snake
Queasy was Sidewinder
SoTT is currently presumed to be Mr. Black
Crazie-penguin was King Brown Snake
d.arkive was Taipan Snake
Evilmonkey was Mr. Red
L was Enigma
Suresh0t is presumed to be The Wolf
So this leaves only one remaining Mafia member… Mr. Blue!
-mute/does not talk
-multiple instances of him involved with phones/lights/electrical equipment
-kill style varies, but multiple instances of him stabbing somebody
-displays incredible speed
-possible mirror theory (but I find that only really matches… for what maybe two? days?)
-not likely to be ninjas due to the lack of subtlety in more recent kills
-use of darts, nails, plumbatas?, knifes… almost anything that matches with the # 15
-has been known to dress somewhat irregular
Mr ? Blue ?
-multiple use of machines (chainsaws, car crushers, buzzsaws)
-extremely varied style of killing, bordering on psychotic, as well as downright ridiculous (he killed fusionsdf with an umbrella tip)
-if it was NOT Mr. Blue who appeared on Day 16’s killing then it is likely that Mr. Blue is dead and there are some serious flaws in the list. For now though I’m tentatively pinning Mr. Blue as the killer of rpf in Day 16, since we have yet to find a concrete suspect.
-The Mr. Black = SoTT situation. I’m basing this decision solely off the fact that Mr. Black reeked like hell, and Tunas have a particular odor to them. It’s a weak connection, but it’s all I’ve got working for me. If you guys can connect SoTT to someone else that’d be great. Obviously he was not Cottonmouth. Mr. Black has not made a direct appearance ONCE since SoTT’s lynching. By the same accord, neither has Mr. Blue, although it’s hard to tell who killed rpf on Day 16 (was it suresh0t?)
-If there are any mistakes (say for whatever reason Eddie reappears and starts gunning down people again), then this list will be reanalyzed and reevaluated.
I fear this list may be flawed, as the Mr. Blue connection is extremely weak, any help here is appreciated (even you qrs).
Putting together everything I know, i've come up with a list for the remaining mafia. I'm going to have to ask you to trust me on this one actually.
#5 Mr. Blond
4. HotZhot <- not 6
9. So no fek
22. infinity21 <- not 6
29. SiZ.FaNtAsY <- not 6
76. jtan <- not 6
2 are mafia.
obviously #1 and #2 came out dead on accurate, but I think we can all agree that the town had a general consensus about 0cz3z and suresh0t
Alethios believed Eddie to be Bockit, randombum to be Mr. Black, and that Cottonmouth Snake was still alive (hence infundlibum being next to the chopping block in his list). This would put SoTT as Mr. Blue... I think. He never directly said it, it has to be implied. The reason I'm bringing all this information up (and yes mafia Alethios did actually send me this pm before he died)? Because seriously we townies have very little going for us right now in the terms of detective work =/ Aside from qrs (who is dead set against me), Wysp (who spends most of his time arguing against qrs) and whoever is Wysp's associate(s). I don't really fear being lynched given as how I am probably the top target off the Showtime! List, and because... the mafia would be pretty friggin' retarded to lessen the Showtime! List lol.
Last note... the suspect from the Showtime! List is most likely to be on the Mandalor List as well, seeing as how there are only 5 people remaining and 4 of them are on the Mandalor List lol
On July 01 2008 14:36 nemY wrote:
You do realize my bday is on the 15th as well right?
So is Wysp's lol.
Here's how I see it. Suppose for argument's sake that BWdero is Mafia, and put yourself in Chuiu's place. You have to write a clue for this guy. His name has no apparent meaning. He has no public profile, and no signature. The only information in his profile is: 1) His country of origin, 2) the date he joined, and 3) his date of birth. (The stuff about post counts etc. is subject to constant change.) Somehow you have to come up with a clue from these facts.
There's one thing that jumps out at me from this extremely bare profile: a minor coincidence: both dates in the profile are the 15th of a month (unlike you and Wysp, nemY). In the absence of anything else to base a clue on, I'm going to go with the number 15 as the theme of this mafioso.
Does this seem far-fetched to you? Then ask yourself what you would do if you were trying to write a clue that pointed at BWdero. Can you come up with anything better?
Take into account as well that we've known about the "15" clue for a long time, and it has been confirmed every night that Cottonmouth appears. The types of weapons do not appear to be a clue: they are constantly changing. Chuiu seems to like finding new and exotic weapons for his men. The only thing that stays the same is their number: 15. Our best analysts were not able to decipher this clue before they died: Plexa, MTF, and everyone else all went to their graves without ever finding out who Cottonmouth was. The clue must point at someone, and there are less and less candidates with each passing day. If it doesn't point at BWdero, then at whom does it point: someone whom everyone has missed?
So much for the clue-based evidence: now for the circumstantial evidence. To be fair to all parties concerned, BWdero did link Sidewinder to Queasy, very early on in the game, a link which turned out to be correct. Make of that what you will. On the other hand, there's quite a bit of circumstantial evidence against him, as well:
We've already seen that the randombum list harbors an enormous amount of Mafia. In fact, more than half the Mafia that we've caught so far had voted for randombum, and more than a third of the votes for randombum (and counting) have already proven to be those of mafiosi. Clearly the Mafia took this election seriously. Anyone who voted for randombum has a black mark against them from the beginning. You are judged by the company you keep, and so on.
But OK, simply voting for randombum does not make it a certainty that someone is Mafia. Several innocents voted for him as well--I did myself, at first, although I later switched my vote. However, if you have a look at araav's excellent blog listing all the statements of everyone in the game (up until the end of April), you will find that BWdero went further than most in advocating randombum. Some quotations: + Show Spoiler +
I voted for randombum. I voted for him because I thought his mass pm was a nice touch. Also CDRdude pointed out he had a 100% voting accuracy in the last game. This plus mayor voting powers=dead mafia.
Randombums mass PM would be suspicious. But he sent it before roles were handed out so we know that it is not a mafia ploy. And he does have a spotless voting record last game. Although his participation could have been a bit higher.
Ghar is on my suspect list, and others seem to distrust him aswell. So I am wary of putting him in a position of power.
Araav has a conservative double lynch platform. Something I find counterproductive. We should lynch early and often.
Empyrean, well, I don't trust his "I am a detective". Why would a detective make himself a target so early in the game? Seems like mafia shenanigans to me.
All in all, Randombum seems like the best choice of the four.
Any thoughts on this?
Out of all mayor candidates right now. I prefer ace and randombum. Ace has a great plan and obviously knows what hes doing. No mafia would do what he is doing. And we know for a FACT randombum began his campaign with the best of intentions. And I find myself agreeing alot with the both of them.
Either one as mayor and the other as pardonner is fine with me.
In fact, BWdero was so enthusiastic in putting down the other mayoral candidates that Ace called him on it. He hastily backed down:
On March 19 2008 01:50 BWdero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 01:39 Ace wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would suspect Ghar.
Even worse, BWdero why are you suspecting him just because others are?
We barely have any clues, and he hasn't done anything through his posts that can target him as Mafia.
Please people, lets not get into the practice of bandwagon suspicion so early.
Fair enough, I suspect him because someone linked a clue to him and others seemed suspicious. I agree that this is no grounds for lynching him or even accusing him of being mafia. It is far too early for that. I simply wish to be on the safe side when it comes to electing a mayor.
Maybe you're still not impressed. After all, it's perfectly possible for someone to be enthusiastic but wrong. I've certainly been that more than once in this game.
But let's take this in the context of the whole game. I've posted a lot in this thread, and although I've been wrong several times, I've also been right. More to the point, I've continued to post, sometimes at length. BWdero, though--he seems to have lost his enthusiasm fairly early. His posts trail off after page 106. This is all the stranger when you consider his first couple of posts in the thread:+ Show Spoiler +
Well, I guess that's one prediction that didn't come to pass. BWdero: Total posts: 68. Don't count your chickens before they hatch, and so forth. Still, it does make you wonder what changed. What happened between when BWdero declared his intention to be active in the thread and when he decided to drop out of sight? One possibility that comes to mind is that he received his role PM from Chuiu. But perhaps I'm being uncharitable...
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On March 14 2008 22:03 BWdero wrote:Yes a new mafia game, and i'm in this time! This is gonna do wonders for my post count.
On March 15 2008 01:43 BWdero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2008 00:17 Falcynn wrote:
Show nested quote +Just make sure you're active >.>
On March 14 2008 22:03 BWdero wrote:
Yes a new mafia game, and i'm in this time! This is gonna do wonders for my post count.
Don't worry, I will participating in this thread regularly.
All in all, nemY, I don't think you are doing yourself any favors by defending this guy.
I poured over this content already and found nothing that could specifically tie Cottonmouth to BWdero. It should be noted in one post that Cottonmouth was dressed "shabbily"... another clue I see as baring no connection to BWdero. Regardless of this, I don't discount him given the plethora of circumstantial evidence mounted against him, I just feel there are stronger suspects at the moment... mainly Scorch as Mr. Blond (which once again no one has yet to comment on )
On July 02 2008 10:19 Wysp wrote:
but I guess str is fine too, we probably can't make a huge swing of ~3 votes.
but we should vote for the person who is more likely to be connected to mafia. I mean either way we aren't really losing a townie vote, until after night. This needs to be an accurate kill.
str. *dramatic pause* DUN DUN DUUUUUN
Everyone who has a special role and chooses to use it please send it to me via PM. Mafia this includes you!