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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 09:01:09
April 16 2008 07:44 GMT
#4661
Attempting to attach specific clues to specific people. Bolded names are those I feel strongly about, and italics are those I feel weak about:

- Eddie's theme of shooting his gun and retreating.


jtan:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His profile picture is of M&M microing against lurkers, aka, fire and retreat.



- Mr. Blue's chainsaw and final/last reference.


Scorch:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His profile quote is from a Rage Against the Machine song called Know Your Enemy, on an album that had more traditionally metal guitar music than later albums. Now, examine Mr. Blue's latest clues:

Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall.


Yes, it's a stretch. :p But, it's the only thing I could find even close to relating.


- Supportive people in general aimed at Joe, as well as a focus on his theme of attacking as people try to leave.


Unforgiven_ve:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His profile picture is of a happy looking bunny giving the thumbs up. Not only did Joe directly give a thumbs up, he has been helpful/supportive of his fellow Mafia from day one.



- Mr. Brown's "intelligible/unintelligible" mystery.


infinity21:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His profile quote reads, "If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit". This could allude to Mr. Brown's off/on ability to be understood.


fgsvsd:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His name is gibberish whilst his quote speaks just fine.



- Mr. White being lazy and/or late.


ieatkids5:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His quote reads, "Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." Both scenes in which Mr. White is active, he shows up last in. This is more particularly noted in Day 2 than in Day 4. As well as being the last to show up, he never, not once, has engaged in a fight except to make the finishing blow. I believe this is a strong connection.





Random Things Noted While Looking:

- NatsuTerran translates into SummerTerran.

- qrs has this quote: "It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious." Earlier I noted that there was a very detailed description of a very drab room. I will look into other day posts that contain the same Mafia that showed up in Day 6 to see if I can find any others that are similar.


Finally,

Finding Out Mafia Suspects:


First, let us tally up all the dead Mafia.

Known Mafia:

Sidewinder was Queasy.
Black Mamba was BlindAlbino.
Taipan Snake was d.arkive.


Others That Died:

Evilmonkey - Night 5

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mandalor died on Night 2, meaning that whoever his character is cannot have shown up in Days 3-6, but must have have been in either or both of Days 1-2.


Likewise, Evilmonkey died on Night 5, meaning his character cannot be in the Day 6 post and beyond.



Mafia Who Have Not Shown Up 'Since Day 1-2:

Snake Charmer


We thus find that Mandalor was definitely Snake Charmer.


And for Evilmonkey,

Mafia Who Didn't Show Up On Day 6:

Snake Charmer
King Brown Snake (I strongly believe this is Crazie-Penguin)
Mr. Blonde
Mr. Red
Mr. White
Cottonmouth
The Wolf
Copperhead
Mr. Orange

Any of these can be Evilmonkey. Personally, I feel that he was Mr. Blonde.
Think. :)
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 08:10:50
April 16 2008 08:01 GMT
#4662
Fuck thats what i thought, if midnight gladius isnt snake charmer then it must be mandalor (if mr.blue was alive that is.)

Edit: Really nice suspect for eddie, i guess the leadership roll is just for writing, so it comes down to what he does.
sAviOr...
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 16 2008 08:40 GMT
#4663
What the hell is up with this Jack/medic shit? Was decafchicken the Jack that reported to you but screwed up with the fake list? Why did he do that? And it appears there's still a medic impostor telling the mafia who the power roles are.

Why would Heros)Pink be mafia? Could you elaborate?

Some wild accusations from me:
- Hollander as Enigma for various weak links to his picture: introducing himself politely like a man in a smoking would do, grinning back, ugly face etc.
- LTT as Mr.Brown: he cannot be understood because he comes from Shakuras.
- clazziquai the same: he from kiribati, he no speak english. He was already suspected for this.
Note though that Mr.Brown does speak English in one clue, so maybe this is the wrong route to go.
- RowdierBob as some mafia attacking in close combat. He is a rowdy/street brawler, and his profile pic makes him look quite sadistic.
- infinity21 as Cottonmouth. His name contains a number, and infinity is also strongly related to numbers.
Don't take these too seriously, but maybe someone finds further evidence pointing towards these guys. All of them are fairly inactive in the thread, so they might be lurking mafiosi.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
April 16 2008 08:47 GMT
#4664
On April 16 2008 17:40 Scorch wrote:
What the hell is up with this Jack/medic shit? Was decafchicken the Jack that reported to you but screwed up with the fake list? Why did he do that? And it appears there's still a medic impostor telling the mafia who the power roles are.

Why would Heros)Pink be mafia? Could you elaborate?

Some wild accusations from me:
- Hollander as Enigma for various weak links to his picture: introducing himself politely like a man in a smoking would do, grinning back, ugly face etc.
- LTT as Mr.Brown: he cannot be understood because he comes from Shakuras.
- clazziquai the same: he from kiribati, he no speak english. He was already suspected for this.
Note though that Mr.Brown does speak English in one clue, so maybe this is the wrong route to go.
- RowdierBob as some mafia attacking in close combat. He is a rowdy/street brawler, and his profile pic makes him look quite sadistic.
- infinity21 as Cottonmouth. His name contains a number, and infinity is also strongly related to numbers.
Don't take these too seriously, but maybe someone finds further evidence pointing towards these guys. All of them are fairly inactive in the thread, so they might be lurking mafiosi.



Decafs' an idiot.

(he would back me up with this).
sAviOr...
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 16 2008 08:53 GMT
#4665
On April 16 2008 16:44 MTF wrote:
Let's note that we only have 20 mafia names, dead or alive. Seeing as d.arkive (the suicide bomber) has been tied to Taipan Snake, this suggests that the special Mafia roles get a character as well. Thus, the overall number of names should be at 22: 20 Mafia, 1 suicide bomber, and 1 saboteur. This is apparently not so, which leads me to believe that the remaining two mafia can only be found by examining key words in the Day posts.

Look at the OP. There are only 20 mafias total: one suicider, one saboteur and 18 without abilities. Non-townies are related 1:1 to those codenames.

Btw, if you admit yourself that your clue against me is far-fetched, at least write it in italics
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 16 2008 08:59 GMT
#4666
On April 16 2008 17:53 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2008 16:44 MTF wrote:
Let's note that we only have 20 mafia names, dead or alive. Seeing as d.arkive (the suicide bomber) has been tied to Taipan Snake, this suggests that the special Mafia roles get a character as well. Thus, the overall number of names should be at 22: 20 Mafia, 1 suicide bomber, and 1 saboteur. This is apparently not so, which leads me to believe that the remaining two mafia can only be found by examining key words in the Day posts.

Look at the OP. There are only 20 mafias total: one suicider, one saboteur and 18 without abilities. Non-townies are related 1:1 to those codenames.

Btw, if you admit yourself that your clue against me is far-fetched, at least write it in italics


O, you're indeed right. I assumed that the 20 mafia were separate from the special roles.

This means that Mandalor was 100% Sword Charmer. Too bad we didn't figure that out before offing MidnightGladius. : x

and sure, I'll italicize you. :p
Think. :)
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 16 2008 08:59 GMT
#4667
If you only knew
what he can do to you..
You won't denounce him
He'll kill you on a whim..

You're not dead yet
Trusting you we may regret.
Pretending to analyse
accusing innocents to make the mafia.. RISE!


Just some words I'd like to throw in here. Maybe you think of them while judging who is guilty and who is not.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 16 2008 09:19 GMT
#4668
On April 13 2008 22:54 Plexa wrote:
by the way, my team of expert detectives have uncovered a interesting fact

Either MidnightGladius is Mafia
or MTF is mafia

Is this still true? What's the reasoning for this? Should we vote to lynch MTF?
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 09:56:48
April 16 2008 09:25 GMT
#4669
Alright, guys, a quick note:

Even though I don't think there are Mafia hiding without names anymore, I am completely certain that fusion was right in that clues are hidden in the day posts without being attached directly to anyone.

My main piece of evidence is here:

He dodge three more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him.


I always assumed this referred to The Wolf, as he is the next new person introduced. However, I am no longer convinced this is the case, as I've stated before that I feel Mr. White is lazy/late - hence a Mafia in the break room.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 16 2008 09:56 GMT
#4670
Ok, here's a quick list of similar phrases throughout the days with at least three references. Please note that these were not all on one day, in any of their cases. Also, I am well aware that none of these directly proves anything and that some could be unintentional red herrings through storytelling. However, I still do believe there are little clues lying around in Day post words.

[spoiler=Directions and Placements] (I don't think I got all these; kinda rushed because of sleepiness.)
turn of events
took their turns dealing
moved onto the table in the center of the room
turned to the right
dodged to the left
standing right[/spoilers]

+ Show Spoiler [Square] +

punch square in the jaw
landed square in the back of New104's head
landed a punch square in Showtime!'s right eye


+ Show Spoiler [Hopelessness/Impending Doom] +

near suicidal
no strength left to live.
knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself
almost already felt himself dying as he ran
vain attempt to save


+ Show Spoiler [Sounds] +

alerted by this blast
when they heard the sound resonate
up stairs to investigate the sound
tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about


+ Show Spoiler [Panic] +

Eddie half-panicked
He panicked as he
he panicked and


+ Show Spoiler [Neighbors] +

a neighbors phone
house next to them.
resonate from the house next door.
Next door
on his neighbors lawn


+ Show Spoiler [Impatience/Anger] +

Irritated he decided
getting really impatient
was getting frustrated


+ Show Spoiler [Chance] +

he took his chances with
Unfortunately Mynocks
fortunately they
Unfortunately Dinmsab had
Coincidentally Fishball


+ Show Spoiler [Slow] +

seemed to drag on forever
slowly taking their toll on him.
didn't die from pain or shock, rather he bled out slowly.
He crept down slowly
he walked slowly
walked up slowly
a slow pace


+ Show Spoiler [Military] +

just about surrendered
grouped up in the room
when four men intercepted them.
were ready to fight an army
charged at Empyrean
they were still surrounded
Mr. Red retreated
jetted towards him (possibly)


+ Show Spoiler [Inspection] +

head out to investigate
went up the stairs to investigate
up to investigate
over to them to investigate
inspecting his window


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And with that, I am going to sleep. G'night, town and nightmares to you, Mafia. At least this time I know I won't wake up dead. :p
Think. :)
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
April 16 2008 10:10 GMT
#4671
On April 16 2008 18:19 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2008 22:54 Plexa wrote:
by the way, my team of expert detectives have uncovered a interesting fact

Either MidnightGladius is Mafia
or MTF is mafia

Is this still true? What's the reasoning for this? Should we vote to lynch MTF?


Nono, i think he narrowed down the list to likely people.

But its actually now:

MTF
Smurfingchobo
unsoundlogic
L

sAviOr...
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 16 2008 10:43 GMT
#4672
Time for a little résumé!

Mafia started out with 20 criminals out of a total population of 130 = 15.4%
Now it is 15/92 = 16.3%
Since the mafia's goal is to get over 50%, it is safe to say that the town is at a numeric advantage at the moment, having prevented the bad guys from greatly shifting the proportion in their favor.

Now this is causing me headaches:
On March 13 2008 13:58 Chuiu wrote:
Mayor is elected. (4 double lynches remaining, voting power of 6)
Pardoner is elected. (6 pardons remaining)
2 of 6 Bodyguards alive.
3 of 4 Vigilante alive.
0 of 4 Detective alive.
7 of 7 Veteran alive.
4 of 7 Paramedic alive.
0 of 2 Mad Hatter alive.
0 of 2 Jack alive.

Mafia are killing off one special role after the other, leaving us with no detective abilities at all. While more and more vague clues are being revealed, really hard evidence will be hard to come by in the future. There are only 4 medics left, one of which is likely inactive and replaced by an impostor. Most vigilante kills have been used up.

In short: it will be damn hard for us to keep our momentum with few extra kills, no detective information and little medic protection.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 11:06:14
April 16 2008 10:55 GMT
#4673
BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces.

Interesting quote


I beleive L is mafia; there is a 1/3 chance using the list and his persona fits that of "L" from deathnote
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HeRoS)Pink
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada336 Posts
April 16 2008 11:06 GMT
#4674
On April 16 2008 16:10 Ace wrote:
actually, I knew I should have went with my gut instinct last week. I'm 99% sure Heros)Pink is mafia.

well if u accuse me, I can't really defend myself since theres no real clue towards me, but I could say something that you dont want to be known
Addicted
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 16 2008 11:46 GMT
#4675
All of the Mobsters names in the clue section can be linked to a Quentin Tarantino movie. The only exception is, fittingly, Enigma.

I like Enigma could be the saboteur
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 12:33:33
April 16 2008 11:58 GMT
#4676
+ Show Spoiler +
As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring.

Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him.

Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.

Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying.

He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull.

Okay i've figured out Mr Brown

Note that every time Mr Brown chases someone, theres the indecipherable yelling.
Note too that he speaks rather well, and he is quite an able fighter - not killing with guns but with his hands.

This all seems rather contradictory HOWEVER;
A dragoon is a soldier who fights on foot but relocates on horseback.

The yelling is indecipherable BECAUSE ITS A HORSE
In addition to that, he is a soldier which fits everything else about him. The match is SO perfect its rediculous.

DrDragoon this game you really were mafia

+ Show Spoiler [DrDragoon info] +
Fairly active prior to role release, only voting and random comments;
Voted for:
Randombum for mayor
Kuja900 on Day 2
Abstain on Day 3
Abstain on Day 4
No vote on Day 5
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 16 2008 13:18 GMT
#4677
Nice one!
A dragoon specifically uses guns though:
Dragoon is the traditional name for a soldier trained to fight on foot but who transports himself on horseback, in use especially during the late 17th and early 18th centuries. The name derives probably from the dragoon's primary weapon, a carbine or short musket called the dragon. Dragon carbines are said to have been named because, like the creature of myth, they "breathed fire" — a reference to the flames carbines emitted when fired.

While Mr.Brown pulls a gun out of his coat at Fishball's, which fits perfectly, he then proceeds to beat him to death instead. BloodyC0bbler is killed with a sharp stone. Both kills don't really match a dragoon.
Not to say this is a bad connection, but a dragoon prefers other methods of killing.

crazie-penguin convinves me more at the moment, so I'll vote for him.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 16 2008 14:59 GMT
#4678
On April 16 2008 22:18 Scorch wrote:
Nice one!
A dragoon specifically uses guns though:
Show nested quote +
Dragoon is the traditional name for a soldier trained to fight on foot but who transports himself on horseback, in use especially during the late 17th and early 18th centuries. The name derives probably from the dragoon's primary weapon, a carbine or short musket called the dragon. Dragon carbines are said to have been named because, like the creature of myth, they "breathed fire" — a reference to the flames carbines emitted when fired.

While Mr.Brown pulls a gun out of his coat at Fishball's, which fits perfectly, he then proceeds to beat him to death instead. BloodyC0bbler is killed with a sharp stone. Both kills don't really match a dragoon.
Not to say this is a bad connection, but a dragoon prefers other methods of killing.

crazie-penguin convinves me more at the moment, so I'll vote for him.
Note that Mr Brown was persuaded AGAINST using his gun by Mr Pink in night 3, and in the second night his role was very very small, last night's clue perplexes me somewhat but i just have to draw on the fact that is his primary weapon which still leaves open the possibility of more physical attacks - he is a solider after all.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 16 2008 15:13 GMT
#4679
On April 16 2008 18:25 MTF wrote:
Alright, guys, a quick note:

Even though I don't think there are Mafia hiding without names anymore, I am completely certain that fusion was right in that clues are hidden in the day posts without being attached directly to anyone.

My main piece of evidence is here:

Show nested quote +
He dodge three more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him.


I always assumed this referred to The Wolf, as he is the next new person introduced. However, I am no longer convinced this is the case, as I've stated before that I feel Mr. White is lazy/late - hence a Mafia in the break room.



hahaha

If you think tat half is suspicious, look at the other half

"he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. "

Armory? really?
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nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
April 16 2008 17:21 GMT
#4680
On April 16 2008 16:10 Ace wrote:
actually, I knew I should have went with my gut instinct last week. I'm 99% sure Heros)Pink is mafia.


Because of...?
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