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On April 17 2008 05:25 L wrote:people don't get pms about getting hit unless they survive. Ask chuiu. Also, to reply to amber: Show nested quote +Also, L, how do you know your medic save was necessarily guaranteed protection. We can't say for sure. We need to list who was actually hit. Lets also not forget it's possible that some mafia can be inactive? I don't know. I know i stopped one hit. The fact that there was more than one hit is assured, which still leaves 3 in the air. One medic protection wouldn't ever be guaranteed protection, and from mafia's hitting history, they seem to stack hits, or hit a LOT of veterans, none of which have died. Honestly, it doesn't even matter now. Ace just got me killed by mafia hit tomorrow night unless he's trying to set me up to get protected.
When Lenwe died he got twice.
The first time he got saved and got a PM about, the second time he died.
So how is now different from then?
If decaf was hit once, you would have saved him.
If decaf was hit twice or more, he would have still got a PM saying he was saved and then died anyway.
Neither of those happened.
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I forgot to mention in day post:
If a player was killed and protected by a medic they will not be notified of being protected any longer. Just from reading the thread I can tell dead players are squealing after death and giving out information. Everyone who has done this or anyone I catch participating in the game after death will be banned from the next game no questions asked.
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so i think we should reconstruct the hitlist then
1. bloodycobbler
2. aznvaliance
3. decafchicken
4-8. ???, possibly more decafchickens.
if mafia really did know that decaf was the jack, then it wouldn't unreasonable for them to stack some extra hits on him, in case he had been protected.
so veterans or any protected people should report to Ace if they took any hits last night, this way we get a better idea of the missing spots on the list.
Anyway, now L is very likely to be killed by either group.
i also hope bloodycobbler did not have any kills remaining :\
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On April 17 2008 05:29 suresh0t wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2008 05:19 MTF wrote:On April 17 2008 05:12 suresh0t wrote:On April 17 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Lets also not forget it's possible that some mafia can be inactive? Just curious how this would effect anything? It wouldn't. Mafia don't send in individual kills, they just send in a list to Chuiu with how many hits are on who. So, Mafia kill strength doesn't go down any from inactivity. That's what I thought.
ah so nevermind that. That add's more definiteness to the game where we can pinpoint strikes better than, so it's good I made the mistake so it's corrected I suppose? Is it possible for you to confirm above about the veterans?
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On April 17 2008 05:32 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2008 05:25 L wrote:people don't get pms about getting hit unless they survive. Ask chuiu. Also, to reply to amber: Also, L, how do you know your medic save was necessarily guaranteed protection. We can't say for sure. We need to list who was actually hit. Lets also not forget it's possible that some mafia can be inactive? I don't know. I know i stopped one hit. The fact that there was more than one hit is assured, which still leaves 3 in the air. One medic protection wouldn't ever be guaranteed protection, and from mafia's hitting history, they seem to stack hits, or hit a LOT of veterans, none of which have died. Honestly, it doesn't even matter now. Ace just got me killed by mafia hit tomorrow night unless he's trying to set me up to get protected. When Lenwe died he got twice. The first time he got saved and got a PM about, the second time he died. So how is now different from then? If decaf was hit once, you would have saved him.
If decaf was hit twice or more, he would have still got a PM saying he was saved and then died anyway.Neither of those happened.
You shouldn't know that information....
EDIT: I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong to know this info, but still the mayor can't technically talk to the dead.
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Either way L, even without Decaf's testimony you're confirmed mafia. I'm asking everyone to vote and Lynch L.
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On April 17 2008 05:44 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2008 05:32 Ace wrote:On April 17 2008 05:25 L wrote:people don't get pms about getting hit unless they survive. Ask chuiu. Also, to reply to amber: Also, L, how do you know your medic save was necessarily guaranteed protection. We can't say for sure. We need to list who was actually hit. Lets also not forget it's possible that some mafia can be inactive? I don't know. I know i stopped one hit. The fact that there was more than one hit is assured, which still leaves 3 in the air. One medic protection wouldn't ever be guaranteed protection, and from mafia's hitting history, they seem to stack hits, or hit a LOT of veterans, none of which have died. Honestly, it doesn't even matter now. Ace just got me killed by mafia hit tomorrow night unless he's trying to set me up to get protected. When Lenwe died he got twice. The first time he got saved and got a PM about, the second time he died. So how is now different from then? If decaf was hit once, you would have saved him.
If decaf was hit twice or more, he would have still got a PM saying he was saved and then died anyway.Neither of those happened. You shouldn't know that information.... EDIT: I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong to know this info, but still the mayor can't technically talk to the dead.
I didn't know that until Chuiu just posted it.
Even ignoring that info L is STILL confirmed Mafia.
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Wow, so you get called on making up stuff, and now want to silence me in the same way you silenced wurm? This is a joke.
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making what up? Point to the info I made up.
And if you truly are a medic, then how about you publicly post who you protected what night and how it turned out.
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On April 17 2008 05:47 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2008 05:44 Amber[LighT] wrote:On April 17 2008 05:32 Ace wrote:On April 17 2008 05:25 L wrote:people don't get pms about getting hit unless they survive. Ask chuiu. Also, to reply to amber: Also, L, how do you know your medic save was necessarily guaranteed protection. We can't say for sure. We need to list who was actually hit. Lets also not forget it's possible that some mafia can be inactive? I don't know. I know i stopped one hit. The fact that there was more than one hit is assured, which still leaves 3 in the air. One medic protection wouldn't ever be guaranteed protection, and from mafia's hitting history, they seem to stack hits, or hit a LOT of veterans, none of which have died. Honestly, it doesn't even matter now. Ace just got me killed by mafia hit tomorrow night unless he's trying to set me up to get protected. When Lenwe died he got twice. The first time he got saved and got a PM about, the second time he died. So how is now different from then? If decaf was hit once, you would have saved him.
If decaf was hit twice or more, he would have still got a PM saying he was saved and then died anyway.Neither of those happened. You shouldn't know that information.... EDIT: I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong to know this info, but still the mayor can't technically talk to the dead. I didn't know that until Chuiu just posted it. Even ignoring that info L is STILL confirmed Mafia.
Yah I figured that, hence why it doesn't really matter if you cheated, lol.
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we didn't cheat knowingly. In all the games I've played targets can still tell whether or not they've been hit after death because w/o the town has to go through extra complicated ways of finding out if someone was protected or not. Combined with a Mafia kill list where inactivity doesn't hurt them the town can't really do shit. I didn't even realize it till Chuiu just posted it, but it makes no difference.
Ignoring that info look at the clues that point to L.
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And just to give you a quick example:
Medic A protects Bob.
Bob dies that night.
If bob disappears and Medic A said " I protected Bob" then this is the scaenario:
Medic A is lying and Bob wasn't protected.
Medic A isn't lying and Bob was hit at least Twice.
How do you know for sure? By asking Bob.
If Bob can't tell you anything, which he should be able to since he SURVIVED the first hit then how does the town resolve the situation?
Ask DTs to check the Medics? That's a disadvantage for the town because this scenario would happen almost every night, making the DTs practically Medic baby sitters.
Ask the medic? yea, sure. Especially if the medic can lie.
Reconstruct the Mafia Kill list? It's your best bet, but if the Mafia have a constant kill list all you know is that the MAX # of kills could add up to a certain # and know nothing about whether or not that # was used.
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Man finally free, going to catch up on this thread now, looks like a lot of things have been happening.
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Ignoring that info look at the clues that point to L. People have said i'm 3 different mafia members. The latest 'clues' are just as bogus. People will attach clues to people if they look hard enough, see Ghar and MidnightGladius (sorry guys) for details.
And as for the list.
It was
Empyrean - On my own.
Empyrean - You told me to stay on him.
Empyrean - You told me to stay on him. I stopped a hit, but he still died.
Plexa - I pmed Chuiu 3 minutes before my pm to you on the ninth of april. Mafia hit plexa twice, You put 3 medics on him. He survives
Decaf - I prevented a hit. He dies.
But you knew all that.
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The difference between Ghar and MG was that people only had clues linking to them.
You on the other hand have clues + a precarious situation linking to you: you are the only medic who has never saved someone from death.
Individually, every medic that's currently alive has saved someone.
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Or they've protected someone who was mafia. Lenwe wasn't, so the medic on him is 100% confirmed, regardless of if he should or shouldn't have known. All the others, however, aren't. Unless all the saves are on people that are confirmed townie, you're making faulty judgements again.
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On April 17 2008 05:59 Ace wrote:
Reconstruct the Mafia Kill list? It's your best bet, but if the Mafia have a constant kill list all you know is that the MAX # of kills could add up to a certain # and know nothing about whether or not that # was used.
If anyone else who was hit this night and lived (a veteran or protected) has reported back to you, we can be for sure to fill in the missing spots on the list as hits on decaf, right? barring the scenario of an inactive vet getting hit, I suppose.
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On April 17 2008 06:19 L wrote:
Or they've protected someone who was mafia. Lenwe wasn't, so the medic on him is 100% confirmed, regardless of if he should or shouldn't have known. All the others, however, aren't. Unless all the saves are on people that are confirmed townie, you're making faulty judgements again.
Mafia - Your Don wishes nothing but to take over the world, but first you must take care of your home town! You will know who your fellow mafia members are and get the ability to kill townies each night. You may not target mafia members, however. Mafia killing power will be decided once signups are closed.
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Oh, nevermind then.
That leaves player error.
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lol
why is more_minerals voting for me when I'm confirmed innocent
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EPT
