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Araav, I still don't understand what you say happened with the "channel". Let me summarize your so-called "answer to the accusations":
1) Please don't call me bad names.
2) Don't believe everything everyone says.
3) Now, for stupid moves. Throwing in this idea was really stupid of Showtime (or Ace, if he stands after this).
if Showtime's a townie:
come on - mafia already knows this is false, so whom you are fucking with - with townies?...Do you think Ace is stupid to collect the "blues" together? Even if there was 1% chance of haveing a fake blue there that must not happned.
I'm not sure what you meant by this. It sounds like you're saying that the channel didn't exist. Or are you saying that it existed but there were no blues there? In any case, how would Mafia know this is false any more than townies?
4) Showtime may be a Mafia member.
Three irrelevant points and one that sort of addresses the issue, but is too vague to understand. Can you just say plainly what you mean? Was there a channel at all? Were you in it? If Showtime! made the whole thing up, say so. If that's not what you meant, say so.
Meanwhile, you continue to make illogical insinuations that Ace is Mafia, even though ALL of the detectives were supposed to investigate him, and NONE of them said a word. You seem to be a smart guy: this lapse in logic is...odd.
All this adds up to: I vote for araav until he defends himself more clearly.
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I'll post just about everything I can later. I've been hella busy.
New104 died because of an incident with mandalor, but they couldn't kill him before. The lag between nights and the fact that some people never were cooperating fucked up a lot of protections for Night 3.
dinmsab had verified Emp, who had verified me.
New104 was never verified but we beleived he was a DT because of a few things.
Showtime and Emp were acting suspicious all the time to draw attention away from other targets, and make the Mafia want to keep them alive.
They failed to kill both of them before. They did pretty damn well and as you can see it doesn't matter if too many blues die as long as they do what's needed at the right times.
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On April 05 2008 02:03 Ace wrote:
Showtime and Emp were acting suspicious all the time to...make the Mafia want to keep them alive.
They failed to kill both of them before. They did pretty damn well. If the Mafia tried to kill them before, then the Mafia didn't want to keep them alive, wouldn't you say? So they didn't do well at the stated goal of making the Mafia want to keep them alive. Not that it really matters...
Ace, what's the deal with araav, and this whole chatroom thing?
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We still aren't sure.
When I say tried to keep them alive, I should really have said "barely put effort into killing them" since afaik Showtime! was only hit once before, and I don't think Emp ever got hit.
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Ace, you mentioned that the Detective that was supposed to check Ghar didn't report in. Since they didn't use their ability on Ghar, did they get a chance to check the vote counts? Do you have any more numbers that you can share with use that might help us with this lynch?
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hmm ok. Chew on this for a while:
Empyrean was roleblocked yesterday.
I'm roleblocked today.
From: New104
Subject: Re: Detective Ability
Date: 4/2/08 03:13
1.
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Original Message:
How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3?
old message:
MTF
SpiritoftheTuna
d.arkive
Pangolin(2)
Plexa
~OpZ~
NatsuTerran
Eti307
Empyrean
JoxxOr
Romance_us
BloodyC0bbler
are all confirmed innocent
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Day 3 vote count for Ace:
Ace - 7
Chezinu
Alventenie
imDerek
TranceStorm
fusionsdf
~OpZ~(2)
Evilmonkey.
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I'm not sure how to read that. Is the bottom correct where they are all confirmed innocent or is the top correct and 1 of them is mafia?
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The first thing is the PM from New104, he vote checked and found 1 Mafia in the list. The list is:
Ace - 7
Chezinu
Alventenie
imDerek
TranceStorm
fusionsdf
~OpZ~(2)
Evilmonkey.
I also got another set of info confirming that these people are all innocent:
MTF
SpiritoftheTuna
d.arkive
Pangolin(2)
Plexa
~OpZ~
NatsuTerran
Eti307
Empyrean
JoxxOr
Romance_us
BloodyC0bbler
Which shortens our list down to this:
Ace - 7(6)
Chezinu
Alventenie
imDerek
TranceStorm
fusionsdf
~OpZ~(2) <--innocent
Evilmonkey.
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Ahh. 2 different subjects. So the top list is innocent and 1 from your second post is a Mafia. 1/7 Hrm..
Edit: Ok, 1/6. Even better. On a note, you just cleared Plexa's biggest suspect. People voting for d.arkive should probably change their votes.
Edit 2: I'm crunching some numbers. I want to try to figure out the current percentage of Mafia to Townies. I'm not sure how good the 1/6 ratio is. On the plus side, focusing on this group will confirm 5 townies if we can find the mafia.
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well, we also have a problem with useless being MIA.
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(Mafia) / (Total Townies) = (18) / (91 + 18) = 16.5% Mafia. But, there are some confirmed townies.
Ace + All the living bodyguards are confirmed. That 6 total. You probably know of more, but that's all I've got to work with. It becomes 18/103 = 17.4%
1/6 = 16.7%
It seems pretty close to me to make focusing on these 6 worthwhile with the added bonus of increasing confirmed townies. I'll take a look at the clues, but I've been terrible so far.
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yea focus on those "6". For now I think 2 out of those 6 are innocent also, which really means 1 in 4.
I'm so busy atm that I cant put all the data and PMs together that I have.
The next step, along with these 6 is to check out the people who have voted and not posted a lot.
Chuiu hasn't kicked out any inactives as far as I know so the town is much farther away from where we need to be.
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On April 05 2008 04:01 Ace wrote:
well, we also have a problem with useless being MIA.
I don't understand this one. Was he supposed to vote for you as per your previous plan? I checked people that didn't follow the suspect 1/suspect 2 voting plan but I didn't check the Ace/Randombum plan.
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useless should have voted for randombum.
One of the other Mafia could have potentially hopped on the bandwagon of my vote to "save" useless, but I doubt it. It's just something I'm pointing out.
So for now we have to assume aznvaliance and useless are both innocent.
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On April 05 2008 04:06 Ace wrote:
yea focus on those "6". For now I think 2 out of those 6 are innocent also, which really means 1 in 4.
I'm so busy atm that I cant put all the data and PMs together that I have.
The next step, along with these 6 is to check out the people who have voted and not posted a lot.
Chuiu hasn't kicked out any inactives as far as I know so the town is much farther away from where we need to be.
1/4 would be great. If they aren't confirmed innocent you probably shouldn't release the names. There isn't much workload between checking 4 and 6 and I believe we should stick to the numbers without confirmation.
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yea I wont release those names yet.
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hmmm...
if d.arkive and MTF are innocent, that greatly shortens our suspect list. who would be next in the ranking? suresh0t? i'm really not convinced of his guilt, or anyone else's, for that matter.
this sucks. i'm kinda clueless at the moment. seems we got our profiling wrong 
as for these 1/6 guys, i don't see much clue evidence against any of them, which doesn't make our task easier either.
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Does anyone know what that ASCII-ish type art in fusion's profile is? It almost looks like that guy from 300.
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