EPTWurm can't go ANYWHERE...
I'm pming this to Ace...nvm...
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Wurm can't go ANYWHERE... I'm pming this to Ace...nvm... | ||
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aZnvaLiaNce
United States942 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
count me too. This is a thread to play the game not to spam mercilessly, please keep it to objective points, i hate too to go through a bunch of spam post that add no content and just make dificult to read. BTW, I dont think winning IS boring :p | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 26 2008 05:32 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: count me too. This is a thread to play the game not to spam mercilessly, please keep it to objective points, i hate too to go through a bunch of spam post that add no content and just make dificult to read. BTW, I dont think winning IS boring :p Like I said before, I do want to win. I just wish that I would have more of a role in this win than blindly voting for whoever Ace tells me too and cheering half heartedly when a Mafioso is caught, knowing I had absolutely nothing to do with it  | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=93#1850 http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=93#1855 http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=94#1866 Your move chief. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 26 2008 05:39 Scorch wrote: Ace himself said that he doesn't care about clues, but behaviour exclusively Clues are definitely important, as most of them were written by Chuiu (and Dapperdan?) before there was any behavior from the players to be referenced. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
It's a matter of posts without content clogging up the useful posts. It's just kind of annoying. I'm not saying you shouldn't have banter, I've done it, just could everyone tone it down some. I haven't been keeping up with the thread lately because of starcraft & all my spring break reading =(, so I will be abstaining. I'm not following Ace's plan because I haven't been able to review the evidence/logic and I'm not certain. You can suspect me if you want, but I'm going to be voting for some random person so you can check with a DT. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On March 26 2008 04:37 Scorch wrote: Double lynches aren't free kills. We only have 6 of them.We don't need to lynch wurm over Ghar, we can kill both. Ace isn't roleblocked tomorrow, so he can announce a double lynch. Wurm is dead for sure. Mafia will probably not kill him tonight to cast further suspicion on him. It looks as if he will be lynched tomorrow, and if not and he is townie, mafia can still murder him next night. Anyway, you still have tonight to prove yourself, wurm. PM Ace the name of the person you're protecting--if you're lucky, Mafia will go for him. Ahrara, the logic behind Ace's plan is very simple: simply a way to narrow down who the Mafia are. It only works if people follow it. Why would you abstain? There aren't enough detectives to check everyone individually--otherwise this game would be a lot easier for the town. If you are townie, it hurts the town for you to vote that way. If one person can get away with doing it, anyone can, and the plan goes down the drain. That alone would be a reason to lynch you, whether you are townie or not. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 26 2008 05:39 Scorch wrote: Ace himself said that he doesn't care about clues, but behaviour exclusively almost. Behavior and logic holds 1000000 times more importance than clues. No offense intended, but Chuiu's clues are so hard or pointless there is no point in even going for clues first as a reasonable strategy - every townie even remotely connected would get lynched. Also, clues are coming from a third party source and I 'd rather catch Mafia based on their own mishaps and not what the narrator is giving up. Lastly, the game is not even easy at all. Mafia have a distinct advantage because they dont have to collaborate as much as we do, which means inactive players kill us badly. The kill system in this game requires 1 kill list with 9 names. Thats incredibly way too easy. In the games I've admined all Mafia had to PM their targets to me, and they all had to match up so that they could have successful kills. This way inactive Mafia members are just as much as a burden to them. We've got a few inactive townies, but I guess having about only ~20 or less players missing isn't a big deal right? /sarcasm | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
This is the plan for the next Day(he person who came up with this idea will remain anonymous, i just improved on it a bit). We know that from the Ghar List, 1 out of 7 of these people are Mafia: Ghar List - 7 useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey What I'm asking for is for these 7 people to split their votes. The top 3 will vote for randombum tomorrow, and the bottom 4 will vote for myself. This way neither of us stands a very good chance to get lynched tomorrow and we can see who's what. Once the list is split, we'll count check them both again. So it should look like this: randombum - 3 useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Ace -4 Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey If you do not follow this idea, we'll have no choice but to think you're Mafia and autovote to lynch you. I'll be PMing all of you later with this info. I'm also posting this WAY early so no one has the excuse that they did not see it. In addition to that plan, we'll also be splitting the Mandalor Vote. The top 29(excluding me) will vote on Suspect#1 and the bottom 29 will vote on Suspect#2. These suspects will be revealed after tonight. Just like above, anyone who doesn't follow the plan we have no choice but to cast suspicion on them. Double count the #s because my counting may be off. Here's the list: Suspect#1 -29 Showtime! ShaLLoW[baY] qrs clazziquai ahrara_ Falcynn ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero GeneralStan Scorch nemY MidnightGladius decafchicken L Empyrean Eti307 suresh0t randombum Lysithea French_Toast New104 Kau Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever. Naib JeeJee Hittegods SoleSteeler Suspect#2 -29 Romance_us Plexa LucasWoJ Caller Fishball RtS)Night[Mare Jimtudor GranDim Lenwe Alethios NatsuTerran 0cz3c Last Romantic zeks Pangolin SpiritoftheTuna Unforgiven_ve Energies BloodyC0bbler iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito bumatlarge fanatacist ieatkids5 ~OpZ~ SonuvBob Siefu butidigress People on the abstain list or that didn't vote can do what they want. This, along with the way medic protections have been setup tonight will give the mafia a difficult time with targets if they haven't already sent in their hitlist. No matter who dies tonight, this plan will be carried out. Any questions, comments or concerns let them be known. Once again, if you go against this plan we have no choice but to cast suspicions on you. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 26 2008 07:01 Ace wrote: This way inactive Mafia members are just as much as a burden to them. We've got a few inactive townies, but I guess having about only ~20 or less players missing isn't a big deal right? /sarcasm it's actually not, assuming chuiu/dapperdan follows through with his promise and gets rid of them, as well as passing on their roles before night3 (after getting the waitlisted guys in, obviously). and maybe ban them from next game (if there is one) as well (just a 1-game ban, don't go nuts here) as for the 3 spammers in this thread (aznval, showtime, shallow), stfu. a lot of people don't want to read that shit. annnnnnnd finally, for the person who suggested we only investigate one half of the groups (since the other could be deduced from the total) -- dont. this is good assuming everyone votes, and the people who didn't previously vote also dont' vote. if this could be guaranteed, there would be a better course of action anyway (virtual splits), but since it's not a guarantee at all, both sides must still be investigated. the good thing about doing this, is that it doesn't matter whether you want to follow along with the plan or not, because you're still following along with it. we know what the total mafia #s have to add up to, and if the people who were told to vote for someone choose to abstain, or in fact choose to vote for someone else entirely, they will affect the total, and in fact, reveal their alignment. obv there's a loophole to this (at least it looks like it - thankfully, there's a somewhat obvious prevention mechanism as well) | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 26 2008 07:46 JeeJee wrote: annnnnnnd finally, for the person who suggested we only investigate one half of the groups (since the other could be deduced from the total) -- dont. this is good assuming everyone votes, and the people who didn't previously vote also dont' vote. if this could be guaranteed, there would be a better course of action anyway (virtual splits), but since it's not a guarantee at all, both sides must still be investigated. the good thing about doing this, is that it doesn't matter whether you want to follow along with the plan or not, because you're still following along with it. we know what the total mafia #s have to add up to, and if the people who were told to vote for someone choose to abstain, or in fact choose to vote for someone else entirely, they will affect the total, and in fact, reveal their alignment. obv there's a loophole to this (at least it looks like it - thankfully, there's a somewhat obvious prevention mechanism as well) I didn't want to point this part out though, because any townies that do this may accidentally affect totals if say...a Mafia member tried to jump the gun and leave, and then other townies didn't vote also. If enough of them leave the group, we may have a problem. But yes, there is a prevention mechanism for that too. I've already started taking notes on a certain select few peoples behaviors. | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 26 2008 07:56 Wysp wrote: Ace, make sure all these people are PM'd in the vote spliting, the group of 7 should be easy enough to organize but its going to take a miracle for a well organized split of the 29. Its definately worth a try, though. indeed. the good thing about the group of 29 though is that most of those players are active. If 20 out of 29 move the other 9 are in a jam. While technically innocents can move if they please, Mafia cant because they'd affect the total. We jut dont want innocents to move because it would cause too much moving and confusion. Anyone thats innocent doesn't even HAVE a reason to move because they wont get caught. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4844 Posts
On March 26 2008 06:35 qrs wrote: (...) Ahrara, the logic behind Ace's plan is very simple: simply a way to narrow down who the Mafia are. It only works if people follow it. Why would you abstain? There aren't enough detectives to check everyone individually (...) That's why he said he'll vote for a random person, so the detective can check the group along with him (if he votes with a small herd, a detective checking that out [unlimited ability: "How many of the people that voted for X are mafia?" question] could easily validate his trustworthyness to Ace) Please, guys, this is like the 3rd time a question like this comes up. At least try to remember what each member of the game can do  (especially detectives, everyone seems to forget their abilities)Edit #2: screwed up quoting, that was the reason for my edit | ||
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